Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Namaste Bill, > Although UpaGrahas are generally investigated from the natal chart, they > are very much alive in transit. Thank you for the most wonderful points! I may add one more point: Gulika was within a few minutes from Gulika's Mrityu Bhaga (MB, the death-inflicting degree) in Leo (lagna!) in natal chart. At the time of death, Gulika was transiting within a few minutes from Gulika's MB in Pisces!!! Please note that Pisces is the 8th house in natal chart. Planets within half a degree from their death-inflicting degrees in key houses in natal chart tend to be active in dasas and/or transit near their death-inflicting degrees in key houses at the time of death also. Gulika satisfies that principle here! > Sun going to lagna might have saved the > body, but instead brought it into contact with the two great Patas > (Vyatipata & Rahu). Conversely, the Patas disposit to the Sun, 4 degrees > from Mrityu Saham (?equal house division). Comments on Rahu are fine. Vyatipata's transit near mrityu saham is also interesting. But Vyatipata's contact with Sun is irrelevant, because he is always at a constant angle from Sun! Of course, natal lagna lord Sun's transit into 12th house afflicted by Rahu can be bad, but I am just trying to put the opposition between Sun and Vyatipata in perspective. The two are always apart by (180-6.67) deg. So we can't give prominence to that factor. Actually, there is another point here: The 8th house from natal AK (chara atma karaka - Mars) is considered a key position and it is used in the definition of Maheswara (supreme form of Lord Shiva, the Destroyer). Vyatipata transits in the 8th from natal AK and aspects natal mrityu saham very very closely. BTW, Vyatipata literally means "the BIG fall" in Sankrit. > - Transiting Saturn aspects Ak & 6th, and from Aries aspects Sun, Moon, Lagna. That is important. With Saturn being Maheswara in this chart, his aspect, in transit, on natal AK is an important factor. Maheswara's or Rudra's transit in 1st or 8th from Brahma dasa sign also adds punch to the negative factors. Here Maheswara (Saturn) transits in the 8th from Brahma dasa sign Virgo. (For a tutorial and discussion on Brahma dasa, please go to the archives of my list at /list/vedic astrology. It is being discussed right now.) May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha ------------------------------ Narasimha P.V.R. Rao PictureTel Corporation 3 Baron Park Lane #13 100 Minuteman Road Burlington, MA 01803 Andover, MA 01810 Tel: (781) 270-4997 Tel: (978) 292-4456 FAX: (781) 270-4997 FAX: (978) 623-4851 email: astrowhiz Video: (978) 437-0220 email: pvr email: nrao For a nonfanatic and balanced introduction to astrology, see my home page: http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz For serious astrology discussions, go to the archives of my list at http://www.eGroups.com/list/vedic astrology For my poems in Telugu language, visit my homepage at http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz/telugu/index.htm ------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 [Forward: this should have gone into the public sector as well] Dear NaraSimha, Greetings. >> Date, time, and Gulika's night position via "Parasara's Light" are: >> Natal: 1960, Nov 25, 0022 AM [77W02, 38N53]. Virgo 26 deg. >> Muhurta: 1999, Jul 16, 2200 PM [70W40, 41N25]. Taurus 11 deg. > >There is a controversy in Gulika computation. Some take 7th part as Saturn >and 8th as Gulika. I and Sanjay take Gulika as the 7th part and 8th as empty. Have never heard that the 8th part is Gulika. Believed it to be taking the initial or end time of Saturn's period as Gulika. And the 8th part, though empty, always belongs to Rahu. Anyway the table in "Upadesa Sutras" looks familiar ... Natal: Thursday, Jupiter starts day; Moon starts nite (5th from Jupiter). (Nite) Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa Su Ra | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | Set Rise 16:48P 18:41 20:32 22:24 12:15 02:07 03:58 05:50 7:02A Gem 7 Can 0 Can 22 Leo 13 Vir 5 Vir 26 Lib 18 *** Saturn's nite period is 6th Yama, while the table agrees. And so ends with Virgo 26 Lagna. If the day tables are used accidentally, Gulika's lagna is end of 3rd Yama making Lagna Cancer 22. Leo 13 appears to be YamaKantaka's lagna by nite. >As per my (and Sanjay's) definition, natal Gulika just above 13 deg in Leo and >muhurta Gulika was just above 22 deg in Pisces. > >> >Comments on Rahu are fine. Vyatipata's transit near mrityu saham is also >> >interesting. >> >> Perhaps superfluous, but was the seed of something that did not mature. > >It is very good point. > >> >But Vyatipata's contact with Sun is irrelevant, because he >> >is always at a constant angle from Sun! >> >> No! It is NEVER a constant angle from the Sun. > >That is how Dhuma, IndraChapa, Parivesha, Vyatipata and Upaketu are computed. All >these 5 Sun-based upagrahas are at a constant angle from Sun. In Vyatipata's case, >his longitude is (Sun+186 deg 40 min). > >This is consistent with Parasara's teachings. So please check the definition. > >> >Of course, natal lagna lord >> >Sun's transit into 12th house afflicted by Rahu can be bad, but I am >> >just trying to put the opposition between Sun and Vyatipata in >> >perspective. The two are always apart by (180-6.67) deg. So we can't >> >give prominence to that factor. >> >> Try another position. > >Please do. Of course, if Sun is in the last 6-7 degrees of a sign, Vyatipata will >not be in sign opposition. Try another position, ie. "with the standard rules" as below. >> >Actually, there is another point here: The 8th house from natal AK >> >(chara atma karaka - Mars) is considered a key position and it is used >> >in the definition of Maheswara (supreme form of Lord Shiva, the >> >Destroyer). Vyatipata transits in the 8th from natal AK and aspects >> >natal mrityu saham very very closely. >> >> Maheswara was noted, 8th from AK = Capricorn. >> VyatiPata does not transit here at the time of the crash, it was in Leo Lagna. > >Now I am confused. Are we using different definitions of Vyatipata? Why did you >then say that Sun is in contact with Vyatipata? Not the literal Sun but the ENERGY of the Sun, that due to Parivatana with the Moon, disposits to Lagna. Likewise, the energy of the Moon carrying the Patas disposites to the Sun. Either way is not very good. Some nadi authors seem to indicate this. >I get Vyatipata in Cp (about 7 deg). Sun just entered Cn and Vyatipata is (Sun+186 >deg 40 min). Have found what I thought are bogus rules due to short cuts methods. This might be one of them, but your rule looks almost familiar. If I can remember correctly (Ha!) AvaYogi = 186 40' + Yogi? Do you recall where your rule comes from? Pancha Dhumadi Grahas, BPHS, Sharma, pg 42 (cpt 3, sl 61-). These 5 are rather important and thought they were pretty well known. 133 20' + Sun's Longitude = Dhuma 360 - Dhuma = VyatiPata Note the SIGN 180 + VyatiPata = PariVesha 360 - PariVesha = IndraChapa 16 40' + Indra Chapa = UpaKetu 30 + UpaKetu = Sun's Longitude Or 360 - (133 20' + Sun) = VyatiPata 226 40' - Sun = VyatiPata Natal: Sun = 219 (Sco 9), VyatiPata = 7 40' (Aries). Muhutra: Sun = 90 (Can 0), VyatiPata = 136 40' (Leo 16 40'). Arc distance from the Sun is ~211 & ~47 degrees respectively. Like Rahu, VyatiPata moves retrograde from the Sun. JayaGannath! ---------------- Hope this helps, Best Regards, bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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