Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear YND, The point is that the 12th house from the Atmakaraka (Divinity) shows the place of Moksha and other opinions like "a benefic in Swamsa giving Moksha" are not correct. This has reference to the translations of some fellow astrologers to this stanza. The atmakaraka is God and is said to represt the King who acts on behalf of God. Thus if there is an afflicted AK in the chart of a King, like that of Mr Gomango (Chief Minister of Orissa during the recent most terrible cyclone of History), the people have to suffer. The 12th from the AK is the house from where God gives everything to the native and this is better seen in the Navamsa which is the Dharma Amsa. This act of giving everything including Moksha is what we refer to as the fundamental function of the Lord and in this we see the Ista Devata or the "Giver of all goodness". Om Tat Sat Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - YND <vedant Sanjay Rath <srath Tuesday, October 12, 1999 19:58 SJVC UPSJ 1.2.69 > Dear Gurudev, > Please accept my respectful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! > > In your notes to 1.2.69 you write: > > "This translation is a logical continuation of stanza 1.2.68. Other opinions > like a benefic in Swamsa giving moksa (emancipation)." > > The second sentence does not seem a grammaticaly correct one. What did you > mean by this statement? > > Your sisya > Yasomatinandana das > -----Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå----- > Îò: Narasimha Rao <pvr > Êîìó: vedic astrology <vedic astrology > > Êîïèÿ: pemmaraju rayudu <pvrrayudu; Sanjay <srath; > varahamihira <varahamihira > > Äàòà: 11 îêòÿáðÿ 1999 ã. 5:37 > Òåìà: [Jagannath] EXAMPLE: Phases of good and bad predictions > > > >Namaste friends, > > > >I mentioned a while ago that an astrologer may experience phases > >of good and bad predictions. D-27 (nakshatramsa) is the chart of > >strengths and weaknesses as per Parasara. I said that the 2nd and > >5th in D-27 show vaag bala (power of speech) and intuition. I > >said that we can treat the dasa rasi as per D-27 Narayana dasa as > >lagna and do this analysis for various periods in one's life. I > >will give an example - myself. > > > >Because the principles we use have some truth in it, we have > >successes even in the worst dasas. Because the principles we use > >help only to some extent and a guess has to be made finally, our > >successes depend on our luck also. And our luck depends on our > >dasas. So we don't have the same amount of successes always. > > > >* * * > > > >Birthdata: April 4, 1970, 5:50 pm (IST), 81e12, 16n15. > > > >My D-27: > > > >Ar - Mars; Ta - Saturn; Ge - Mercury & Jupiter; Cn - Sun & Ketu; > >Le - Lagna; Sc - Moon & Venus; Cp - Rahu. (Lagna in rasi chart: > >Vi.) > > > >Event data: > > > >(1) 1998-99: I did not make many public predictions. I made just > >one prediction in print and it was a disaster. I predicted very > >very confidently that Clinton would be impeached. I was wrong. I > >was confident, but wrong this year. > > > >(2) 1999: I wasn't feeling confident like last year, but I made > >some predictions in a magazine. Not all were right, but some were > >very correct. I wrote in print that India might have an > >unpleasant confrontation after May 18 (air strikes on Pakistani > >infiltrators were from May 25), that India would take a bold > >stand ("no talks until infiltrators leave") and that the world > >would support India's bold stand (even US did!). I also wrote > >that Russia would get into trouble after the eclipse and that > >Russia might get involved in an armed conflict. > > > >Let us see how this fits with my D-27 Narayana dasa. > > > >* * * > > > >If you have trouble with calculations, please refer to the > >archives for Narayana dasa lessons. > > > >Because 27 modulo 12 is 3, look at the 3rd lord in my rasi chart. > >It is Mars. Mars is in Ar in D-27. Ar is stronger than Li. > > > >So start dasas from Ar. Ar dasa is 1970-1982. Ta dasa is > >1982-1998 (Venus is in Sc). Ge dasa is 1988-2000. > > > >Antardasas in Ge dasa go as Ge, Cn, Le, Vi etc. > > > >I ran Ar antardasa during Apr 1998-Apr 1999. I ran Ta antardasa > >during Apr 1999-Apr 2000. Let us analyze both now. In each > >antardasa, take the antardasa sign as lagna and analyze the > >chart. > > > >* * * > > > >(1) Ar antardasa: The 2nd from Ar is occupied in natal D-27 by > >Saturn. This is not good for vaag bala. Saturn in 2nd weakens > >vaag bala (power of speech). > > > >The 5th house from Ar shows the power of intuition in Ar dasa. > >The 5th from Ar is Leo. It is empty and it is aspected by Mars > >and Rahu. Neither Mars nor Rahu promises good intuition. Rahu in > >fact misleads. > > > >However, arudha of Venus is in Leo! Watery benefic Venus gives > >smooth intuition in 5th. Arudha of Venus in 5th doesn't do that > >in reality, but the native will feel that way. So I was very > >comfortable with my intuition then and felt it was working > >smoothly. > > > >(2) Ta antardasa: The 2nd from Ta is Gemini. Mercury and Jupiter > >occupy it!! So Ta antardasa can be reasonably good for me even in > >a bad mahadasa. Mercury and Jupiter in 2nd suggest good vaag > >bala. The 5th house from there is Virgo. It has no planets and > >the same duo aspects it ffrom Ge. Ethery Jupiter gives good > >intuition, while earthy Mercury gives clarity and focus. > > > >However, arudhas of Sun, Saturn and Jupiter occupy Virgo. Sun and > >Saturn in 5th is not good. Saturn in 5th gives hesitating and > >lazy intuition. But Jupiter there gives good intuition after some > >Saturnine hesitation. So I feel less confident when making > >predictions in print this year. Despite some creditable successes > >this year, I don't feel too confident when I look at charts this > >year. > > > >* * * > > > >I hope some ideas presented here will provoke thoughts. > > > >Points to consider: > > > >(1) Astrologer's chart also matters, especially when the > >principles used are weak. > > > >(2) Nakshatramsa is important for that. D-24 shows knowledge, but > >it is D-27 that shows whether one's intuition is powerful and > >whether one's vaak (speech) is powerful. > > > >(3) Narayana dasa is an excellent phalita dasa and Narayana dasa > >of D-27 can be used to time phases of good and bad predictions. > > > >(4) An astrologer may feel diffident, but make good predictions. > >He may feel confident and make stupid predictions. How one feels > >is an illusion and that illusion can be different from the > >reality. Arudha padas of planets help in understanding the > >native's illusions/perceptions. And, arudha lagna helps in > >understanding the illusions/perceptions of the world about the > >native. > > > >* * * > > > >As Satish pointed out, today's astrologers mix up many techniques > >because their precise uses are lost to us. We have to understand > >the precise uses of varous tools, before astrology is accepted as > >a valid subject. We have a herculean task in front of us. > > > >If we keep faith in Parasara and strive to understand him > >correctly, I am confident that we will have an astrology > >department in many universities oneday. > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, > >Narasimha > > > > > > > >------ > >HARI OM TAT SAT > >Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 Namaste Sri Rath, Just to clarify your point, you are saying that the twelfth house from the Swamsha gives the divinity the person worships, or am I interpreting incorrectly? Also, what factors in the chart do indicate moksha? Gary Gomes Gangadhara Girish Swami Kampananda ---------- > Sanjay Rath <varahamihira > YND <vedant; SJVC Astrology Class <varahamihira > > Cc: SJVC <sjvc > > [sjvc] Re: UPSJ 1.2.69 > Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:50 PM > > JAYA JAGANNATH > Dear YND, > The point is that the 12th house from the Atmakaraka (Divinity) shows > the > place of Moksha and other opinions like "a benefic in Swamsa giving Moksha" > are not correct. This has reference to the translations of some fellow > astrologers to this stanza. > The atmakaraka is God and is said to represt the King who acts on behalf > of God. Thus if there is an afflicted AK in the chart of a King, like that > of Mr Gomango (Chief Minister of Orissa during the recent most terrible > cyclone of History), the people have to suffer. The 12th from the AK is the > house from where God gives everything to the native and this is better seen > in the Navamsa which is the Dharma Amsa. This act of giving everything > including Moksha is what we refer to as the fundamental function of the Lord > and in this we see the Ista Devata or the "Giver of all goodness". > Om Tat Sat > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > YND <vedant > Sanjay Rath <srath > Tuesday, October 12, 1999 19:58 SJVC > UPSJ 1.2.69 > > > > Dear Gurudev, > > Please accept my respectful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > In your notes to 1.2.69 you write: > > > > "This translation is a logical continuation of stanza 1.2.68. Other > opinions > > like a benefic in Swamsa giving moksa (emancipation)." > > > > The second sentence does not seem a grammaticaly correct one. What did you > > mean by this statement? > > > > Your sisya > > Yasomatinandana das > > -----Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå----- > > Îò: Narasimha Rao <pvr > > Êîìó: vedic astrology <vedic astrology > > > Êîïèÿ: pemmaraju rayudu <pvrrayudu; Sanjay > <srath; > > varahamihira <varahamihira > > > Äàòà: 11 îêòÿáðÿ 1999 ã. 5:37 > > Òåìà: [Jagannath] EXAMPLE: Phases of good and bad predictions > > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > > > >I mentioned a while ago that an astrologer may experience phases > > >of good and bad predictions. D-27 (nakshatramsa) is the chart of > > >strengths and weaknesses as per Parasara. I said that the 2nd and > > >5th in D-27 show vaag bala (power of speech) and intuition. I > > >said that we can treat the dasa rasi as per D-27 Narayana dasa as > > >lagna and do this analysis for various periods in one's life. I > > >will give an example - myself. > > > > > >Because the principles we use have some truth in it, we have > > >successes even in the worst dasas. Because the principles we use > > >help only to some extent and a guess has to be made finally, our > > >successes depend on our luck also. And our luck depends on our > > >dasas. So we don't have the same amount of successes always. > > > > > >* * * > > > > > >Birthdata: April 4, 1970, 5:50 pm (IST), 81e12, 16n15. > > > > > >My D-27: > > > > > >Ar - Mars; Ta - Saturn; Ge - Mercury & Jupiter; Cn - Sun & Ketu; > > >Le - Lagna; Sc - Moon & Venus; Cp - Rahu. (Lagna in rasi chart: > > >Vi.) > > > > > >Event data: > > > > > >(1) 1998-99: I did not make many public predictions. I made just > > >one prediction in print and it was a disaster. I predicted very > > >very confidently that Clinton would be impeached. I was wrong. I > > >was confident, but wrong this year. > > > > > >(2) 1999: I wasn't feeling confident like last year, but I made > > >some predictions in a magazine. Not all were right, but some were > > >very correct. I wrote in print that India might have an > > >unpleasant confrontation after May 18 (air strikes on Pakistani > > >infiltrators were from May 25), that India would take a bold > > >stand ("no talks until infiltrators leave") and that the world > > >would support India's bold stand (even US did!). I also wrote > > >that Russia would get into trouble after the eclipse and that > > >Russia might get involved in an armed conflict. > > > > > >Let us see how this fits with my D-27 Narayana dasa. > > > > > >* * * > > > > > >If you have trouble with calculations, please refer to the > > >archives for Narayana dasa lessons. > > > > > >Because 27 modulo 12 is 3, look at the 3rd lord in my rasi chart. > > >It is Mars. Mars is in Ar in D-27. Ar is stronger than Li. > > > > > >So start dasas from Ar. Ar dasa is 1970-1982. Ta dasa is > > >1982-1998 (Venus is in Sc). Ge dasa is 1988-2000. > > > > > >Antardasas in Ge dasa go as Ge, Cn, Le, Vi etc. > > > > > >I ran Ar antardasa during Apr 1998-Apr 1999. I ran Ta antardasa > > >during Apr 1999-Apr 2000. Let us analyze both now. In each > > >antardasa, take the antardasa sign as lagna and analyze the > > >chart. > > > > > >* * * > > > > > >(1) Ar antardasa: The 2nd from Ar is occupied in natal D-27 by > > >Saturn. This is not good for vaag bala. Saturn in 2nd weakens > > >vaag bala (power of speech). > > > > > >The 5th house from Ar shows the power of intuition in Ar dasa. > > >The 5th from Ar is Leo. It is empty and it is aspected by Mars > > >and Rahu. Neither Mars nor Rahu promises good intuition. Rahu in > > >fact misleads. > > > > > >However, arudha of Venus is in Leo! Watery benefic Venus gives > > >smooth intuition in 5th. Arudha of Venus in 5th doesn't do that > > >in reality, but the native will feel that way. So I was very > > >comfortable with my intuition then and felt it was working > > >smoothly. > > > > > >(2) Ta antardasa: The 2nd from Ta is Gemini. Mercury and Jupiter > > >occupy it!! So Ta antardasa can be reasonably good for me even in > > >a bad mahadasa. Mercury and Jupiter in 2nd suggest good vaag > > >bala. The 5th house from there is Virgo. It has no planets and > > >the same duo aspects it ffrom Ge. Ethery Jupiter gives good > > >intuition, while earthy Mercury gives clarity and focus. > > > > > >However, arudhas of Sun, Saturn and Jupiter occupy Virgo. Sun and > > >Saturn in 5th is not good. Saturn in 5th gives hesitating and > > >lazy intuition. But Jupiter there gives good intuition after some > > >Saturnine hesitation. So I feel less confident when making > > >predictions in print this year. Despite some creditable successes > > >this year, I don't feel too confident when I look at charts this > > >year. > > > > > >* * * > > > > > >I hope some ideas presented here will provoke thoughts. > > > > > >Points to consider: > > > > > >(1) Astrologer's chart also matters, especially when the > > >principles used are weak. > > > > > >(2) Nakshatramsa is important for that. D-24 shows knowledge, but > > >it is D-27 that shows whether one's intuition is powerful and > > >whether one's vaak (speech) is powerful. > > > > > >(3) Narayana dasa is an excellent phalita dasa and Narayana dasa > > >of D-27 can be used to time phases of good and bad predictions. > > > > > >(4) An astrologer may feel diffident, but make good predictions. > > >He may feel confident and make stupid predictions. How one feels > > >is an illusion and that illusion can be different from the > > >reality. Arudha padas of planets help in understanding the > > >native's illusions/perceptions. And, arudha lagna helps in > > >understanding the illusions/perceptions of the world about the > > >native. > > > > > >* * * > > > > > >As Satish pointed out, today's astrologers mix up many techniques > > >because their precise uses are lost to us. We have to understand > > >the precise uses of varous tools, before astrology is accepted as > > >a valid subject. We have a herculean task in front of us. > > > > > >If we keep faith in Parasara and strive to understand him > > >correctly, I am confident that we will have an astrology > > >department in many universities oneday. > > > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > >Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > >HARI OM TAT SAT > > >Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > WeMedia.com, A Community Is Born > http://clickhere./click/2095 > > > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > -- /ChatPage?listName=sjvc&m=1 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 Om Gurave Namah Its twelth house from Karekarmsa where Karekamsa refers to navamsa in which Atmakarak is placed. regards Manpreet > > Namaste Sri Rath, > > Just to clarify your point, you are saying that the twelfth house from th= > e > Swamsha gives the divinity the person worships, or am I interpreting > incorrectly? > > Also, what factors in the chart do indicate moksha? > > Gary Gomes > Gangadhara Girish > Swami Kampananda > > ---------- > > Sanjay Rath <varahamihira > > YND <vedant; SJVC Astrology Class > <varahamihira > > > Cc: SJVC <sjvc > > > [sjvc] Re: UPSJ 1.2.69 > > Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:50 PM > >=20 > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear YND, > > The point is that the 12th house from the Atmakaraka (Divinity) sho= > ws > > the > > place of Moksha and other opinions like "a benefic in Swamsa giving > Moksha" > > are not correct. This has reference to the translations of some fellow > > astrologers to this stanza. > > The atmakaraka is God and is said to represt the King who acts on > behalf > > of God. Thus if there is an afflicted AK in the chart of a King, like > that > > of Mr Gomango (Chief Minister of Orissa during the recent most terrible > > cyclone of History), the people have to suffer. The 12th from the AK is > the > > house from where God gives everything to the native and this is better > seen > > in the Navamsa which is the Dharma Amsa. This act of giving everything > > including Moksha is what we refer to as the fundamental function of the > Lord > > and in this we see the Ista Devata or the "Giver of all goodness". > > Om Tat Sat > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > >=20 > > - > > YND <vedant > > Sanjay Rath <srath > > Tuesday, October 12, 1999 19:58 SJVC > > UPSJ 1.2.69 > >=20 > >=20 > > > Dear Gurudev, > > > Please accept my respectful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > > > In your notes to 1.2.69 you write: > > > > > > "This translation is a logical continuation of stanza 1.2.68. Other > > opinions > > > like a benefic in Swamsa giving moksa (emancipation)." > > > > > > The second sentence does not seem a grammaticaly correct one. What di= > d > you > > > mean by this statement? > > > > > > Your sisya > > > Yasomatinandana das > > > -----=C8=F1=F5=EE=E4=ED=EE=E5 =F1=EE=EE=E1=F9=E5=ED=E8=E5----- > > > =CE=F2: Narasimha Rao <pvr > > > =CA=EE=EC=F3: vedic astrology <vedic astrology= > m> > > > =CA=EE=EF=E8=FF: pemmaraju rayudu <pvrrayudu; Sanjay > > <srath; > > > varahamihira <varahamihira > > > > =C4=E0=F2=E0: 11 =EE=EA=F2=FF=E1=F0=FF 1999 =E3. 5:37 > > > =D2=E5=EC=E0: [Jagannath] EXAMPLE: Phases of good and bad predictions > > > > > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > > > > > >I mentioned a while ago that an astrologer may experience phases > > > >of good and bad predictions. D-27 (nakshatramsa) is the chart of > > > >strengths and weaknesses as per Parasara. I said that the 2nd and > > > >5th in D-27 show vaag bala (power of speech) and intuition. I > > > >said that we can treat the dasa rasi as per D-27 Narayana dasa as > > > >lagna and do this analysis for various periods in one's life. I > > > >will give an example - myself. > > > > > > > >Because the principles we use have some truth in it, we have > > > >successes even in the worst dasas. Because the principles we use > > > >help only to some extent and a guess has to be made finally, our > > > >successes depend on our luck also. And our luck depends on our > > > >dasas. So we don't have the same amount of successes always. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >Birthdata: April 4, 1970, 5:50 pm (IST), 81e12, 16n15. > > > > > > > >My D-27: > > > > > > > >Ar - Mars; Ta - Saturn; Ge - Mercury & Jupiter; Cn - Sun & Ketu; > > > >Le - Lagna; Sc - Moon & Venus; Cp - Rahu. (Lagna in rasi chart: > > > >Vi.) > > > > > > > >Event data: > > > > > > > >(1) 1998-99: I did not make many public predictions. I made just > > > >one prediction in print and it was a disaster. I predicted very > > > >very confidently that Clinton would be impeached. I was wrong. I > > > >was confident, but wrong this year. > > > > > > > >(2) 1999: I wasn't feeling confident like last year, but I made > > > >some predictions in a magazine. Not all were right, but some were > > > >very correct. I wrote in print that India might have an > > > >unpleasant confrontation after May 18 (air strikes on Pakistani > > > >infiltrators were from May 25), that India would take a bold > > > >stand ("no talks until infiltrators leave") and that the world > > > >would support India's bold stand (even US did!). I also wrote > > > >that Russia would get into trouble after the eclipse and that > > > >Russia might get involved in an armed conflict. > > > > > > > >Let us see how this fits with my D-27 Narayana dasa. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >If you have trouble with calculations, please refer to the > > > >archives for Narayana dasa lessons. > > > > > > > >Because 27 modulo 12 is 3, look at the 3rd lord in my rasi chart. > > > >It is Mars. Mars is in Ar in D-27. Ar is stronger than Li. > > > > > > > >So start dasas from Ar. Ar dasa is 1970-1982. Ta dasa is > > > >1982-1998 (Venus is in Sc). Ge dasa is 1988-2000. > > > > > > > >Antardasas in Ge dasa go as Ge, Cn, Le, Vi etc. > > > > > > > >I ran Ar antardasa during Apr 1998-Apr 1999. I ran Ta antardasa > > > >during Apr 1999-Apr 2000. Let us analyze both now. In each > > > >antardasa, take the antardasa sign as lagna and analyze the > > > >chart. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >(1) Ar antardasa: The 2nd from Ar is occupied in natal D-27 by > > > >Saturn. This is not good for vaag bala. Saturn in 2nd weakens > > > >vaag bala (power of speech). > > > > > > > >The 5th house from Ar shows the power of intuition in Ar dasa. > > > >The 5th from Ar is Leo. It is empty and it is aspected by Mars > > > >and Rahu. Neither Mars nor Rahu promises good intuition. Rahu in > > > >fact misleads. > > > > > > > >However, arudha of Venus is in Leo! Watery benefic Venus gives > > > >smooth intuition in 5th. Arudha of Venus in 5th doesn't do that > > > >in reality, but the native will feel that way. So I was very > > > >comfortable with my intuition then and felt it was working > > > >smoothly. > > > > > > > >(2) Ta antardasa: The 2nd from Ta is Gemini. Mercury and Jupiter > > > >occupy it!! So Ta antardasa can be reasonably good for me even in > > > >a bad mahadasa. Mercury and Jupiter in 2nd suggest good vaag > > > >bala. The 5th house from there is Virgo. It has no planets and > > > >the same duo aspects it ffrom Ge. Ethery Jupiter gives good > > > >intuition, while earthy Mercury gives clarity and focus. > > > > > > > >However, arudhas of Sun, Saturn and Jupiter occupy Virgo. Sun and > > > >Saturn in 5th is not good. Saturn in 5th gives hesitating and > > > >lazy intuition. But Jupiter there gives good intuition after some > > > >Saturnine hesitation. So I feel less confident when making > > > >predictions in print this year. Despite some creditable successes > > > >this year, I don't feel too confident when I look at charts this > > > >year. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >I hope some ideas presented here will provoke thoughts. > > > > > > > >Points to consider: > > > > > > > >(1) Astrologer's chart also matters, especially when the > > > >principles used are weak. > > > > > > > >(2) Nakshatramsa is important for that. D-24 shows knowledge, but > > > >it is D-27 that shows whether one's intuition is powerful and > > > >whether one's vaak (speech) is powerful. > > > > > > > >(3) Narayana dasa is an excellent phalita dasa and Narayana dasa > > > >of D-27 can be used to time phases of good and bad predictions. > > > > > > > >(4) An astrologer may feel diffident, but make good predictions. > > > >He may feel confident and make stupid predictions. How one feels > > > >is an illusion and that illusion can be different from the > > > >reality. Arudha padas of planets help in understanding the > > > >native's illusions/perceptions. And, arudha lagna helps in > > > >understanding the illusions/perceptions of the world about the > > > >native. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >As Satish pointed out, today's astrologers mix up many techniques > > > >because their precise uses are lost to us. We have to understand > > > >the precise uses of varous tools, before astrology is accepted as > > > >a valid subject. We have a herculean task in front of us. > > > > > > > >If we keep faith in Parasara and strive to understand him > > > >correctly, I am confident that we will have an astrology > > > >department in many universities oneday. > > > > > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > >Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > >HARI OM TAT SAT > > > >Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----= > - > > WeMedia.com, A Community Is Born > > http://clickhere./click/2095 > >=20 > >=20 > > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > > -- /ChatPage?listName=3Dsjvc&m=3D1 > >=20 > > ------ > Don=92t have the time or patience to search for unique > products & services? Then click to let us find them for you. > You Request, We Respond. http://clickhere./click/1957 > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- /cal?listname=3Dsjvc&m=3D1 > > > -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 1999 Report Share Posted December 12, 1999 OM KRISHNA GURU OM Dear Gary, You are correct in understanding. However, I'd like to be more specific in singling out the Atmakaraka in the navamsa called the Karakamsa as Moksha is related to the soul (Atma). Om Tat Sat Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Crystal Expectation <crystalx <sjvc > Friday, December 10, 1999 4:18 PM [sjvc] Re: UPSJ 1.2.69 > Namaste Sri Rath, > > Just to clarify your point, you are saying that the twelfth house from the > Swamsha gives the divinity the person worships, or am I interpreting > incorrectly? > > Also, what factors in the chart do indicate moksha? > > Gary Gomes > Gangadhara Girish > Swami Kampananda > > ---------- > > Sanjay Rath <varahamihira > > YND <vedant; SJVC Astrology Class > <varahamihira > > > Cc: SJVC <sjvc > > > [sjvc] Re: UPSJ 1.2.69 > > Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:50 PM > > > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear YND, > > The point is that the 12th house from the Atmakaraka (Divinity) shows > > the > > place of Moksha and other opinions like "a benefic in Swamsa giving > Moksha" > > are not correct. This has reference to the translations of some fellow > > astrologers to this stanza. > > The atmakaraka is God and is said to represt the King who acts on > behalf > > of God. Thus if there is an afflicted AK in the chart of a King, like > that > > of Mr Gomango (Chief Minister of Orissa during the recent most terrible > > cyclone of History), the people have to suffer. The 12th from the AK is > the > > house from where God gives everything to the native and this is better > seen > > in the Navamsa which is the Dharma Amsa. This act of giving everything > > including Moksha is what we refer to as the fundamental function of the > Lord > > and in this we see the Ista Devata or the "Giver of all goodness". > > Om Tat Sat > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > > > - > > YND <vedant > > Sanjay Rath <srath > > Tuesday, October 12, 1999 19:58 SJVC > > UPSJ 1.2.69 > > > > > > > Dear Gurudev, > > > Please accept my respectful obeisances. Jaya Jagannath! > > > > > > In your notes to 1.2.69 you write: > > > > > > "This translation is a logical continuation of stanza 1.2.68. Other > > opinions > > > like a benefic in Swamsa giving moksa (emancipation)." > > > > > > The second sentence does not seem a grammaticaly correct one. What did > you > > > mean by this statement? > > > > > > Your sisya > > > Yasomatinandana das > > > -----Èñõîäíîå ñîîáùåíèå----- > > > Îò: Narasimha Rao <pvr > > > Êîìó: vedic astrology <vedic astrology > > > > Êîïèÿ: pemmaraju rayudu <pvrrayudu; Sanjay > > <srath; > > > varahamihira <varahamihira > > > > Äàòà: 11 îêòÿáðÿ 1999 ã. 5:37 > > > Òåìà: [Jagannath] EXAMPLE: Phases of good and bad predictions > > > > > > > > > >Namaste friends, > > > > > > > >I mentioned a while ago that an astrologer may experience phases > > > >of good and bad predictions. D-27 (nakshatramsa) is the chart of > > > >strengths and weaknesses as per Parasara. I said that the 2nd and > > > >5th in D-27 show vaag bala (power of speech) and intuition. I > > > >said that we can treat the dasa rasi as per D-27 Narayana dasa as > > > >lagna and do this analysis for various periods in one's life. I > > > >will give an example - myself. > > > > > > > >Because the principles we use have some truth in it, we have > > > >successes even in the worst dasas. Because the principles we use > > > >help only to some extent and a guess has to be made finally, our > > > >successes depend on our luck also. And our luck depends on our > > > >dasas. So we don't have the same amount of successes always. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >Birthdata: April 4, 1970, 5:50 pm (IST), 81e12, 16n15. > > > > > > > >My D-27: > > > > > > > >Ar - Mars; Ta - Saturn; Ge - Mercury & Jupiter; Cn - Sun & Ketu; > > > >Le - Lagna; Sc - Moon & Venus; Cp - Rahu. (Lagna in rasi chart: > > > >Vi.) > > > > > > > >Event data: > > > > > > > >(1) 1998-99: I did not make many public predictions. I made just > > > >one prediction in print and it was a disaster. I predicted very > > > >very confidently that Clinton would be impeached. I was wrong. I > > > >was confident, but wrong this year. > > > > > > > >(2) 1999: I wasn't feeling confident like last year, but I made > > > >some predictions in a magazine. Not all were right, but some were > > > >very correct. I wrote in print that India might have an > > > >unpleasant confrontation after May 18 (air strikes on Pakistani > > > >infiltrators were from May 25), that India would take a bold > > > >stand ("no talks until infiltrators leave") and that the world > > > >would support India's bold stand (even US did!). I also wrote > > > >that Russia would get into trouble after the eclipse and that > > > >Russia might get involved in an armed conflict. > > > > > > > >Let us see how this fits with my D-27 Narayana dasa. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >If you have trouble with calculations, please refer to the > > > >archives for Narayana dasa lessons. > > > > > > > >Because 27 modulo 12 is 3, look at the 3rd lord in my rasi chart. > > > >It is Mars. Mars is in Ar in D-27. Ar is stronger than Li. > > > > > > > >So start dasas from Ar. Ar dasa is 1970-1982. Ta dasa is > > > >1982-1998 (Venus is in Sc). Ge dasa is 1988-2000. > > > > > > > >Antardasas in Ge dasa go as Ge, Cn, Le, Vi etc. > > > > > > > >I ran Ar antardasa during Apr 1998-Apr 1999. I ran Ta antardasa > > > >during Apr 1999-Apr 2000. Let us analyze both now. In each > > > >antardasa, take the antardasa sign as lagna and analyze the > > > >chart. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >(1) Ar antardasa: The 2nd from Ar is occupied in natal D-27 by > > > >Saturn. This is not good for vaag bala. Saturn in 2nd weakens > > > >vaag bala (power of speech). > > > > > > > >The 5th house from Ar shows the power of intuition in Ar dasa. > > > >The 5th from Ar is Leo. It is empty and it is aspected by Mars > > > >and Rahu. Neither Mars nor Rahu promises good intuition. Rahu in > > > >fact misleads. > > > > > > > >However, arudha of Venus is in Leo! Watery benefic Venus gives > > > >smooth intuition in 5th. Arudha of Venus in 5th doesn't do that > > > >in reality, but the native will feel that way. So I was very > > > >comfortable with my intuition then and felt it was working > > > >smoothly. > > > > > > > >(2) Ta antardasa: The 2nd from Ta is Gemini. Mercury and Jupiter > > > >occupy it!! So Ta antardasa can be reasonably good for me even in > > > >a bad mahadasa. Mercury and Jupiter in 2nd suggest good vaag > > > >bala. The 5th house from there is Virgo. It has no planets and > > > >the same duo aspects it ffrom Ge. Ethery Jupiter gives good > > > >intuition, while earthy Mercury gives clarity and focus. > > > > > > > >However, arudhas of Sun, Saturn and Jupiter occupy Virgo. Sun and > > > >Saturn in 5th is not good. Saturn in 5th gives hesitating and > > > >lazy intuition. But Jupiter there gives good intuition after some > > > >Saturnine hesitation. So I feel less confident when making > > > >predictions in print this year. Despite some creditable successes > > > >this year, I don't feel too confident when I look at charts this > > > >year. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >I hope some ideas presented here will provoke thoughts. > > > > > > > >Points to consider: > > > > > > > >(1) Astrologer's chart also matters, especially when the > > > >principles used are weak. > > > > > > > >(2) Nakshatramsa is important for that. D-24 shows knowledge, but > > > >it is D-27 that shows whether one's intuition is powerful and > > > >whether one's vaak (speech) is powerful. > > > > > > > >(3) Narayana dasa is an excellent phalita dasa and Narayana dasa > > > >of D-27 can be used to time phases of good and bad predictions. > > > > > > > >(4) An astrologer may feel diffident, but make good predictions. > > > >He may feel confident and make stupid predictions. How one feels > > > >is an illusion and that illusion can be different from the > > > >reality. Arudha padas of planets help in understanding the > > > >native's illusions/perceptions. And, arudha lagna helps in > > > >understanding the illusions/perceptions of the world about the > > > >native. > > > > > > > >* * * > > > > > > > >As Satish pointed out, today's astrologers mix up many techniques > > > >because their precise uses are lost to us. We have to understand > > > >the precise uses of varous tools, before astrology is accepted as > > > >a valid subject. We have a herculean task in front of us. > > > > > > > >If we keep faith in Parasara and strive to understand him > > > >correctly, I am confident that we will have an astrology > > > >department in many universities oneday. > > > > > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > >Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > >HARI OM TAT SAT > > > >Jaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > WeMedia.com, A Community Is Born > > http://clickhere./click/2095 > > > > > > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > > -- /ChatPage?listName=sjvc&m=1 > > > > ------ > Don't have the time or patience to search for unique > products & services? Then click to let us find them for you. > You Request, We Respond. http://clickhere./click/1957 > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > -- /cal?listname=sjvc&m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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