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Dear Sanjay,

 

Below is the Dialogue that S Khalsa and I started off when he mentioned a

reference to your "Crux of Vedic Astrology" - the Subject was regarding

whether to take Vimshottari Dasa from the Moon or from the Lagna (this is an

odd case).

 

SK has provided me with his answer (according to his interpretation of your

Book's instruction), and has advised to double-check with you so that we

both understand it fully.

 

Please read on -

 

======================

 

[1st Dialogue]

 

Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house

 

 

 

[sateesh]

 

I do not know how to determine which is Stronger - is it to be decided only

between [Lagna and Moon], or between [Lagna and Moon and Sun]?

 

I have attached my Rasi and Navamsa - please could you help me by

determining which is Stronger (Lagna or Moon), and also if you have time

explain how you reached this Conclusion?

 

Apr 15,1973

Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1

Hounslow, England

Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29

Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year

 

 

[sK]

 

Dear Sateesh,

 

Yes , it is very interesting and revolutionary the ideas Sanjay Rath is

reporting and expounding. I am getting my information on this from pp. 2--6

of Crux of Vedic Astrology.

I am seeing the changes indicated to be illuminating too. The rules

are very complex in some cases.

 

In your horoscope, you have Moon in the Lagna. This is a special case

question to put to Sanjay for a definite answer. My opinion, only, would be

as follows:

 

If there are four planets in kendras from lagna take the strongest of these

rather than the Moon as the origination point for Vimshottari dasha.

 

However, in your horoscope the other three planets in kendra, Mercury, Rahu

and Ketu are all in signs of debilitation. Therefore Moon itself is the

strongest planet.

 

So take Vimsottari dasas as usual from Moon itself. Let me know if you

find out more!

 

 

 

 

[2nd Dialogue]

 

 

[sateesh]

 

Dear SK,

 

You saw something I missed - that Rahu/Ketu/Mercury are ALL Debilitated -

thereby, the Moon gets the Honour as Starting Point (for Vimshottari Dasa).

 

[sK]

 

But I agree, Sateesh, we have still not solved the original question of

Lagna OR Moon. The relevant quote from "Crux of..." is on p. 6. :

 

"For example, if in a chart, planets are present in all quadrants, the Vim.

dasa initiated from the Moon star etc. will not yield satisfactory results.

The strongest planet in the quadrants furnishes the first dasa. Thus if the

Moon is in Margasiras and Rahu, being the strongest planet in a quadrant

furnishes the first dasa, it is called "Sampat dasa" as Rahu owns the second

star from Margasiras."

 

In your horoscope, IF Moon is ruled out totally because of the quadrant

situation, then perhaps it would be Lagna furnishing the starting point and

the first dasa would be called Sampat as Lagna is one star beyond Moon and

the rulership going to Mars the first dasa would be of Mars.

 

But I would guess dasas would be reckoned from Moon in its own star. This

then is a Tara dasa sequence, following in the same order as Vimsottari, but

each dasa has the names Janma, Sampat, Vipat, Kshema, Pratyak, Sadhana etc.

and each of these names refers to a special effect of that dasa.

 

=======================

 

Sanjay - please could you settle this question for us with a definite

answer, according to your Method? Take Vimshottari Starting Point from

Lagna (27*55, Chitra, Virgo) or from Moon (11*08, Hasta, Virgo)?

 

Many thanks, and very best regards - Sateesh.

Sateesh Batas

Apr 15,1973

Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1

Hounslow, England

Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29

Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year

Current Period: Ra/Ke/Ke

 

As 27:54 Vi Chitra Ma

Su 02:09 Ar Aswini Ke

Mo 11:07 Vi Hasta Mo

Ma 20:38 Cp Shravana Mo

Me 05:08 Pi U.Bhadra Sa

Ju 15:35 Cp Shravana Mo

Ve 03:42 Ar Aswini Ke

Sa 23:24 Ta Mrigsira Ma

Ra 17:27 Sg P.Shadya Ve

Ke 17:27 Ge Ardra Ra

 

Vimshottari Dashas

==================

Mo Apr-15-1973

Ma Jun-14-1982

Ra Jun-14-1989

Ju Jun-15-2007

Sa Jun-15-2023

Me Jun-14-2042

Ke Jun-15-2059

Ve Jun-14-2066

Su Jun-14-2086

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** * * **

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 7 * * 5 * *

* * * MO 11:07 * * *

* 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * 6 * * *

** * * **

* RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 *

** * * **

* * * 12 * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*JU 15:35 * * * * *

*MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24*

* * * * * *

* * 11 * SU 02:09* *

* * * * VE 03:42 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsa Chart

*******************************************************

** * * **

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * ME * *

* * 7 * * SA * *

* * * AS * * *

* 8 * RA * 4 MA *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * 6 * * *

** * * **

* 9 * 3 *

** * * **

* * * 12 * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * JU *

* 10* KE * 2 VE *

* * * * * *

* * 11 * * SU * *

* * * * MO * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*******************************************************

 

 

System's Approach Analysis

==========================

Sun: Bad Placement, in infancy 56%, weak dispositor,

Conjunct functional benefic(s): Ve 69%,

Moon: Good Placement, weak dispositor, Bright,

Aspected by functional benefic(s): Ju 10%,

Mars: Good Placement, Debilated in Navamsa,

Mercury: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi,

Jupiter: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi,

Venus: Bad Placement, Combust, in infancy 25%, weak dispositor,

Conjunct functional malefic(s): Su 69%,

Saturn: Good Placement, Afflicts house 9 MEP 10%

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

========================

Mo/Ma Apr 15,1973

Mo/Ra Nov 13,1973

Mo/Ju May 15,1975

Mo/Sa Sep 13,1976

Mo/Me Apr 14,1978

Mo/Ke Sep 14,1979

Mo/Ve Apr 14,1980

Mo/Su Dec 14,1981

Ma/Ma Jun 14,1982

Ma/Ra Nov 11,1982

Ma/Ju Nov 29,1983

Ma/Sa Nov 4,1984

Ma/Me Dec 14,1985

Ma/Ke Dec 11,1986

Ma/Ve May 9,1987

Ma/Su Jul 8,1988

Ma/Mo Nov 13,1988

Ra/Ra Jun 14,1989

Ra/Ju Feb 25,1992

Ra/Sa Jul 21,1994

Ra/Me May 27,1997

Ra/Ke Dec 14,1999

Ra/Ve Jan 1,2001

Ra/Su Jan 2,2004

Ra/Mo Nov 25,2004

Ra/Ma May 27,2006

Ju/Ju Jun 15,2007

Ju/Sa Aug 2,2009

Ju/Me Feb 13,2012

Ju/Ke May 21,2014

Ju/Ve Apr 27,2015

Ju/Su Dec 26,2017

Ju/Mo Oct 14,2018

Ju/Ma Feb 13,2020

Ju/Ra Jan 19,2021

Sa/Sa Jun 15,2023

Sa/Me Jun 17,2026

Sa/Ke Feb 25,2029

Sa/Ve Apr 5,2030

Sa/Su Jun 5,2033

Sa/Mo May 18,2034

Sa/Ma Dec 17,2035

Sa/Ra Jan 25,2037

Sa/Ju Dec 2,2039

Me/Me Jun 14,2042

Me/Ke Nov 10,2044

Me/Ve Nov 7,2045

Me/Su Sep 7,2048

Me/Mo Jul 15,2049

Me/Ma Dec 14,2050

Me/Ra Dec 11,2051

Me/Ju Jun 30,2054

Me/Sa Oct 4,2056

Ke/Ke Jun 15,2059

Ke/Ve Nov 11,2059

Ke/Su Jan 10,2061

Ke/Mo May 18,2061

Ke/Ma Dec 17,2061

Ke/Ra May 15,2062

Ke/Ju Jun 2,2063

Ke/Sa May 8,2064

Ke/Me Jun 17,2065

Ve/Ve Jun 14,2066

Ve/Su Oct 14,2069

Ve/Mo Oct 14,2070

Ve/Ma Jun 14,2072

Ve/Ra Aug 14,2073

Ve/Ju Aug 14,2076

Ve/Sa Apr 15,2079

Ve/Me Jun 14,2082

Ve/Ke Apr 14,2085

Su/Su Jun 14,2086

Su/Mo Oct 2,2086

Su/Ma Apr 3,2087

Su/Ra Aug 8,2087

Su/Ju Jul 2,2088

Su/Sa Apr 20,2089

Su/Me Apr 2,2090

Su/Ke Feb 7,2091

Su/Ve Jun 15,2091

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Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namamyaham

Dear Sateesh & Khalsa,

You are mixing up. The method of selection is as follows:-

1. Check if there are planets in Kendra's to Lagna. If so, then the specific

Dasa is called TARA Dasa which is a variation of Vimsottari Dasa, but

commences from the strongest planet in the Kendra. The periods are the same

as Vimsottari as Tara is the wife of Jupiter who is the Guru of vimsottari

dasa (16 = 10+6 or Jup = Sun+Moon).

2. If the kendras are not fully occupied, then check the stronger between

the Lagna and the Moon for initiating the Vimsottari Dasa.

Now in the horoscope of Sateesh, all the four Kendra are occupied. Thus

rule (1) above shall apply. Among the four planets, the Moon is the

strongest and shall furnish the first Dasa. Thus, his first dasa shall be of

the Moon. This is Tara Dasa which is a variation of Vimsottari and is seen

in the charts of Sri Ram et.al.

I think S.Khalsa has understood the point correctly.

Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

Makara@Starfleet <makara

<sjvc >

Cc: S Khalsa <akath11; <vedic astrology >

Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:38 AM

[sjvc] Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house

 

 

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Below is the Dialogue that S Khalsa and I started off when he mentioned a

> reference to your "Crux of Vedic Astrology" - the Subject was regarding

> whether to take Vimshottari Dasa from the Moon or from the Lagna (this is

an

> odd case).

>

> SK has provided me with his answer (according to his interpretation of

your

> Book's instruction), and has advised to double-check with you so that we

> both understand it fully.

>

> Please read on -

>

> ======================

>

> [1st Dialogue]

>

> Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house

>

>

>

> [sateesh]

>

> I do not know how to determine which is Stronger - is it to be decided

only

> between [Lagna and Moon], or between [Lagna and Moon and Sun]?

>

> I have attached my Rasi and Navamsa - please could you help me by

> determining which is Stronger (Lagna or Moon), and also if you have time

> explain how you reached this Conclusion?

>

> Apr 15,1973

> Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1

> Hounslow, England

> Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29

> Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year

>

>

> [sK]

>

> Dear Sateesh,

>

> Yes , it is very interesting and revolutionary the ideas Sanjay Rath is

> reporting and expounding. I am getting my information on this from pp.

2--6

> of Crux of Vedic Astrology.

> I am seeing the changes indicated to be illuminating too. The rules

> are very complex in some cases.

>

> In your horoscope, you have Moon in the Lagna. This is a special case

> question to put to Sanjay for a definite answer. My opinion, only, would

be

> as follows:

>

> If there are four planets in kendras from lagna take the strongest of

these

> rather than the Moon as the origination point for Vimshottari dasha.

>

> However, in your horoscope the other three planets in kendra, Mercury,

Rahu

> and Ketu are all in signs of debilitation. Therefore Moon itself is the

> strongest planet.

>

> So take Vimsottari dasas as usual from Moon itself. Let me know if you

> find out more!

>

>

>

>

> [2nd Dialogue]

>

>

> [sateesh]

>

> Dear SK,

>

> You saw something I missed - that Rahu/Ketu/Mercury are ALL Debilitated -

> thereby, the Moon gets the Honour as Starting Point (for Vimshottari

Dasa).

>

> [sK]

>

> But I agree, Sateesh, we have still not solved the original question of

> Lagna OR Moon. The relevant quote from "Crux of..." is on p. 6. :

>

> "For example, if in a chart, planets are present in all quadrants, the

Vim.

> dasa initiated from the Moon star etc. will not yield satisfactory

results.

> The strongest planet in the quadrants furnishes the first dasa. Thus if

the

> Moon is in Margasiras and Rahu, being the strongest planet in a quadrant

> furnishes the first dasa, it is called "Sampat dasa" as Rahu owns the

second

> star from Margasiras."

>

> In your horoscope, IF Moon is ruled out totally because of the quadrant

> situation, then perhaps it would be Lagna furnishing the starting point

and

> the first dasa would be called Sampat as Lagna is one star beyond Moon and

> the rulership going to Mars the first dasa would be of Mars.

>

> But I would guess dasas would be reckoned from Moon in its own star. This

> then is a Tara dasa sequence, following in the same order as Vimsottari,

but

> each dasa has the names Janma, Sampat, Vipat, Kshema, Pratyak, Sadhana

etc.

> and each of these names refers to a special effect of that dasa.

>

> =======================

>

> Sanjay - please could you settle this question for us with a definite

> answer, according to your Method? Take Vimshottari Starting Point from

> Lagna (27*55, Chitra, Virgo) or from Moon (11*08, Hasta, Virgo)?

>

> Many thanks, and very best regards - Sateesh.

>

>

>

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