Guest guest Posted December 28, 1999 Report Share Posted December 28, 1999 Dear Sanjay, Below is the Dialogue that S Khalsa and I started off when he mentioned a reference to your "Crux of Vedic Astrology" - the Subject was regarding whether to take Vimshottari Dasa from the Moon or from the Lagna (this is an odd case). SK has provided me with his answer (according to his interpretation of your Book's instruction), and has advised to double-check with you so that we both understand it fully. Please read on - ====================== [1st Dialogue] Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house [sateesh] I do not know how to determine which is Stronger - is it to be decided only between [Lagna and Moon], or between [Lagna and Moon and Sun]? I have attached my Rasi and Navamsa - please could you help me by determining which is Stronger (Lagna or Moon), and also if you have time explain how you reached this Conclusion? Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year [sK] Dear Sateesh, Yes , it is very interesting and revolutionary the ideas Sanjay Rath is reporting and expounding. I am getting my information on this from pp. 2--6 of Crux of Vedic Astrology. I am seeing the changes indicated to be illuminating too. The rules are very complex in some cases. In your horoscope, you have Moon in the Lagna. This is a special case question to put to Sanjay for a definite answer. My opinion, only, would be as follows: If there are four planets in kendras from lagna take the strongest of these rather than the Moon as the origination point for Vimshottari dasha. However, in your horoscope the other three planets in kendra, Mercury, Rahu and Ketu are all in signs of debilitation. Therefore Moon itself is the strongest planet. So take Vimsottari dasas as usual from Moon itself. Let me know if you find out more! [2nd Dialogue] [sateesh] Dear SK, You saw something I missed - that Rahu/Ketu/Mercury are ALL Debilitated - thereby, the Moon gets the Honour as Starting Point (for Vimshottari Dasa). [sK] But I agree, Sateesh, we have still not solved the original question of Lagna OR Moon. The relevant quote from "Crux of..." is on p. 6. : "For example, if in a chart, planets are present in all quadrants, the Vim. dasa initiated from the Moon star etc. will not yield satisfactory results. The strongest planet in the quadrants furnishes the first dasa. Thus if the Moon is in Margasiras and Rahu, being the strongest planet in a quadrant furnishes the first dasa, it is called "Sampat dasa" as Rahu owns the second star from Margasiras." In your horoscope, IF Moon is ruled out totally because of the quadrant situation, then perhaps it would be Lagna furnishing the starting point and the first dasa would be called Sampat as Lagna is one star beyond Moon and the rulership going to Mars the first dasa would be of Mars. But I would guess dasas would be reckoned from Moon in its own star. This then is a Tara dasa sequence, following in the same order as Vimsottari, but each dasa has the names Janma, Sampat, Vipat, Kshema, Pratyak, Sadhana etc. and each of these names refers to a special effect of that dasa. ======================= Sanjay - please could you settle this question for us with a definite answer, according to your Method? Take Vimshottari Starting Point from Lagna (27*55, Chitra, Virgo) or from Moon (11*08, Hasta, Virgo)? Many thanks, and very best regards - Sateesh. Sateesh Batas Apr 15,1973 Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 Hounslow, England Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year Current Period: Ra/Ke/Ke As 27:54 Vi Chitra Ma Su 02:09 Ar Aswini Ke Mo 11:07 Vi Hasta Mo Ma 20:38 Cp Shravana Mo Me 05:08 Pi U.Bhadra Sa Ju 15:35 Cp Shravana Mo Ve 03:42 Ar Aswini Ke Sa 23:24 Ta Mrigsira Ma Ra 17:27 Sg P.Shadya Ve Ke 17:27 Ge Ardra Ra Vimshottari Dashas ================== Mo Apr-15-1973 Ma Jun-14-1982 Ra Jun-14-1989 Ju Jun-15-2007 Sa Jun-15-2023 Me Jun-14-2042 Ke Jun-15-2059 Ve Jun-14-2066 Su Jun-14-2086 Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 7 * * 5 * * * * * MO 11:07 * * * * 8 * AS 27:54 * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * ** * * ** * RA 17:27 9 * 3 KE 17:27 * ** * * ** * * * 12 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *JU 15:35 * * * * * *MA 20:38 10* ME 05:08 * 2 SA 23:24* * * * * * * * * 11 * SU 02:09* * * * * * VE 03:42 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* Navamsa Chart ******************************************************* ** * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * * * * 7 * * SA * * * * * AS * * * * 8 * RA * 4 MA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * ** * * ** * 9 * 3 * ** * * ** * * * 12 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU * * 10* KE * 2 VE * * * * * * * * * 11 * * SU * * * * * * MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** ******************************************************* System's Approach Analysis ========================== Sun: Bad Placement, in infancy 56%, weak dispositor, Conjunct functional benefic(s): Ve 69%, Moon: Good Placement, weak dispositor, Bright, Aspected by functional benefic(s): Ju 10%, Mars: Good Placement, Debilated in Navamsa, Mercury: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi, Jupiter: Good Placement, Debilated in Rashi, Venus: Bad Placement, Combust, in infancy 25%, weak dispositor, Conjunct functional malefic(s): Su 69%, Saturn: Good Placement, Afflicts house 9 MEP 10% Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Mo/Ma Apr 15,1973 Mo/Ra Nov 13,1973 Mo/Ju May 15,1975 Mo/Sa Sep 13,1976 Mo/Me Apr 14,1978 Mo/Ke Sep 14,1979 Mo/Ve Apr 14,1980 Mo/Su Dec 14,1981 Ma/Ma Jun 14,1982 Ma/Ra Nov 11,1982 Ma/Ju Nov 29,1983 Ma/Sa Nov 4,1984 Ma/Me Dec 14,1985 Ma/Ke Dec 11,1986 Ma/Ve May 9,1987 Ma/Su Jul 8,1988 Ma/Mo Nov 13,1988 Ra/Ra Jun 14,1989 Ra/Ju Feb 25,1992 Ra/Sa Jul 21,1994 Ra/Me May 27,1997 Ra/Ke Dec 14,1999 Ra/Ve Jan 1,2001 Ra/Su Jan 2,2004 Ra/Mo Nov 25,2004 Ra/Ma May 27,2006 Ju/Ju Jun 15,2007 Ju/Sa Aug 2,2009 Ju/Me Feb 13,2012 Ju/Ke May 21,2014 Ju/Ve Apr 27,2015 Ju/Su Dec 26,2017 Ju/Mo Oct 14,2018 Ju/Ma Feb 13,2020 Ju/Ra Jan 19,2021 Sa/Sa Jun 15,2023 Sa/Me Jun 17,2026 Sa/Ke Feb 25,2029 Sa/Ve Apr 5,2030 Sa/Su Jun 5,2033 Sa/Mo May 18,2034 Sa/Ma Dec 17,2035 Sa/Ra Jan 25,2037 Sa/Ju Dec 2,2039 Me/Me Jun 14,2042 Me/Ke Nov 10,2044 Me/Ve Nov 7,2045 Me/Su Sep 7,2048 Me/Mo Jul 15,2049 Me/Ma Dec 14,2050 Me/Ra Dec 11,2051 Me/Ju Jun 30,2054 Me/Sa Oct 4,2056 Ke/Ke Jun 15,2059 Ke/Ve Nov 11,2059 Ke/Su Jan 10,2061 Ke/Mo May 18,2061 Ke/Ma Dec 17,2061 Ke/Ra May 15,2062 Ke/Ju Jun 2,2063 Ke/Sa May 8,2064 Ke/Me Jun 17,2065 Ve/Ve Jun 14,2066 Ve/Su Oct 14,2069 Ve/Mo Oct 14,2070 Ve/Ma Jun 14,2072 Ve/Ra Aug 14,2073 Ve/Ju Aug 14,2076 Ve/Sa Apr 15,2079 Ve/Me Jun 14,2082 Ve/Ke Apr 14,2085 Su/Su Jun 14,2086 Su/Mo Oct 2,2086 Su/Ma Apr 3,2087 Su/Ra Aug 8,2087 Su/Ju Jul 2,2088 Su/Sa Apr 20,2089 Su/Me Apr 2,2090 Su/Ke Feb 7,2091 Su/Ve Jun 15,2091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2000 Report Share Posted January 1, 2000 Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namamyaham Dear Sateesh & Khalsa, You are mixing up. The method of selection is as follows:- 1. Check if there are planets in Kendra's to Lagna. If so, then the specific Dasa is called TARA Dasa which is a variation of Vimsottari Dasa, but commences from the strongest planet in the Kendra. The periods are the same as Vimsottari as Tara is the wife of Jupiter who is the Guru of vimsottari dasa (16 = 10+6 or Jup = Sun+Moon). 2. If the kendras are not fully occupied, then check the stronger between the Lagna and the Moon for initiating the Vimsottari Dasa. Now in the horoscope of Sateesh, all the four Kendra are occupied. Thus rule (1) above shall apply. Among the four planets, the Moon is the strongest and shall furnish the first Dasa. Thus, his first dasa shall be of the Moon. This is Tara Dasa which is a variation of Vimsottari and is seen in the charts of Sri Ram et.al. I think S.Khalsa has understood the point correctly. Om Tat Sat Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Makara@Starfleet <makara <sjvc > Cc: S Khalsa <akath11; <vedic astrology > Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:38 AM [sjvc] Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house > Dear Sanjay, > > Below is the Dialogue that S Khalsa and I started off when he mentioned a > reference to your "Crux of Vedic Astrology" - the Subject was regarding > whether to take Vimshottari Dasa from the Moon or from the Lagna (this is an > odd case). > > SK has provided me with his answer (according to his interpretation of your > Book's instruction), and has advised to double-check with you so that we > both understand it fully. > > Please read on - > > ====================== > > [1st Dialogue] > > Re: [vedic astrology] Ve in the 12th house > > > > [sateesh] > > I do not know how to determine which is Stronger - is it to be decided only > between [Lagna and Moon], or between [Lagna and Moon and Sun]? > > I have attached my Rasi and Navamsa - please could you help me by > determining which is Stronger (Lagna or Moon), and also if you have time > explain how you reached this Conclusion? > > Apr 15,1973 > Time: 7:28PM Zone: 0:00 DST: 1 > Hounslow, England > Longitude: 0W22 Latitude: 51N29 > Lahiri Ayanamsa: 23:29 365.25 Day Year > > > [sK] > > Dear Sateesh, > > Yes , it is very interesting and revolutionary the ideas Sanjay Rath is > reporting and expounding. I am getting my information on this from pp. 2--6 > of Crux of Vedic Astrology. > I am seeing the changes indicated to be illuminating too. The rules > are very complex in some cases. > > In your horoscope, you have Moon in the Lagna. This is a special case > question to put to Sanjay for a definite answer. My opinion, only, would be > as follows: > > If there are four planets in kendras from lagna take the strongest of these > rather than the Moon as the origination point for Vimshottari dasha. > > However, in your horoscope the other three planets in kendra, Mercury, Rahu > and Ketu are all in signs of debilitation. Therefore Moon itself is the > strongest planet. > > So take Vimsottari dasas as usual from Moon itself. Let me know if you > find out more! > > > > > [2nd Dialogue] > > > [sateesh] > > Dear SK, > > You saw something I missed - that Rahu/Ketu/Mercury are ALL Debilitated - > thereby, the Moon gets the Honour as Starting Point (for Vimshottari Dasa). > > [sK] > > But I agree, Sateesh, we have still not solved the original question of > Lagna OR Moon. The relevant quote from "Crux of..." is on p. 6. : > > "For example, if in a chart, planets are present in all quadrants, the Vim. > dasa initiated from the Moon star etc. will not yield satisfactory results. > The strongest planet in the quadrants furnishes the first dasa. Thus if the > Moon is in Margasiras and Rahu, being the strongest planet in a quadrant > furnishes the first dasa, it is called "Sampat dasa" as Rahu owns the second > star from Margasiras." > > In your horoscope, IF Moon is ruled out totally because of the quadrant > situation, then perhaps it would be Lagna furnishing the starting point and > the first dasa would be called Sampat as Lagna is one star beyond Moon and > the rulership going to Mars the first dasa would be of Mars. > > But I would guess dasas would be reckoned from Moon in its own star. This > then is a Tara dasa sequence, following in the same order as Vimsottari, but > each dasa has the names Janma, Sampat, Vipat, Kshema, Pratyak, Sadhana etc. > and each of these names refers to a special effect of that dasa. > > ======================= > > Sanjay - please could you settle this question for us with a definite > answer, according to your Method? Take Vimshottari Starting Point from > Lagna (27*55, Chitra, Virgo) or from Moon (11*08, Hasta, Virgo)? > > Many thanks, and very best regards - Sateesh. > > > > ------ > Tired of the same old games? > Play the most popular gameshows online by the co-creator of Jeopardy > At BoxerJam.com-Join now and enter to win $1000 cash > http://click./1/485/0/_/2191/_/946410359 > > -- Talk to your group with your own voice! > -- /VoiceChatPage?listName=sjvc&m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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