To Pt Rath: Queries from CoVA

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Dear Visti

 

Thanks for replying. But I think due to my language, you misunderstood what

I was REALLY asking in the questions. Your reply to my questions is

forwarded below as an attachment for reference, to keep THIS e-mail short:

 

1. Saturn occupying vs planetary aspecting= decreasing vs increasing

longevity: Reason understood. Thanks.

 

2. Natural friendships, etc influencing karakatwas of planets they

influence: I KNOW the natural relationships. My question is when the

relationship is ONE-sided, why the OTHER side of the relation is being used

for the explanations in CoVA :

a) Mn-Mc: For Mc, Mn is enemy; For Mn, Mc is friend: pg 235: Mc (X) affects

Mn (Y) badly as Y is enemy for X

b) Mn-Ve: For Ve, Mn is enemy; For Mn, Ve is neutral: pg 167: Ve (X)

affects Mn (Y) badly as Y is enemy for X

c) Mc-Ma: For Ma, Mc is enemy; For Mc, Ma is neutral: Ma (X) affects Mc (Y)

badly as Y is enemy for X

In all the above cases, X affects its enemy Y badly, even tho FOR Y (the

affected party), X ( the affector) IS NOT AN ENEMY. That is, Y the affected

party, is getting badly affected by its FRIEND (case a) or its NEUTRAL

(cases b & c).

I thought, when a planet X aspects planet Y, Y is affected by whether it

receives the aspect of a friendly/ inimical aspect from X, ie if X is a

friend or enemy to Y, & not the other way round.

2d: about a planet being affected well/ badly by the other's influence

because of being related as its exaltation/ debilitation lord. This is

something oft used in CoVA & other writings of Pt Rath. But I cannot

understand WHEN this is used vis-a-vis the normal friendship etc

relationships. WHEN does this assume importance?

 

3. Planets/ houses in 4 from L2 get weakened: CoVA is not referring to

planets/ houses conjoining/ occupie by L2 respectively. It is talking about

those in the 4th from L2, eg for L2 in 3, its 4th= 6= enemies, get

destroyed. Why?

 

4. Question to which I need to wait for Pt Rath's reply

 

5. Nodes conjoin planet. OK, from your reply, can I summarise that: a) both

the nodes eclipse both the luminaries if they conjoin (is there any orb,

or the normal same-sign definition alone holds) AND this is irrespective of

which has the higher/ lower longitude, as they dont need to participate in

yudh with the luminaries; & b) the nodes do NOT eclipse the other planets,

but do participate in yudh with them, with the caveat that the degrees are

to be counted from the BEGINNING of the sign even for the nodes, & it is

particularly virulent for Ra-Jp & Ke-Ma yudhs.

 

Best wishes

Hoping you have a blast with your family this evening. Rohan's (my 4.5 yr

old son) idea of a party is when my wife (also works) & I can get pastries

& cold drinx & spend 2 hours with him with the guitar, tabla & sing & dance

with undivided attention. I hope to have "his" party today, tho I know,

after we put him to sleep, we'll have to go out or be cursed the rest of

the year by our friends

 

Nandan

PS: Have become a member of sjvc, am doing the lessons there. As I cant

understand the charts of even my family yet, I cant possibly say anything

about anyone else's. Thats my road-block. And I am hoping the sjvc

exercises will help me in that.

 

----- Forwarded by Nandan Chakraborty/ILFS on 31-12-01 10:28 -----

 

"Visti Larsen"

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To Pt Rath:

28-12-01 21:54 Queries from CoVA

Please respond to

vedic astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vyam Vysadevaya Namaha!

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Dear Nandan,

 

I hope you don't mind if i answer these questions for Gurudeva.

Do you remember all the principles that you've been asking about?

Begin applying them or you'll forget them.

 

 

1.   Difference between occupying vs aspecting a house/ planet: Ref pg 428

CoVA: St occupying/ conjoining a house/ lord= decreases the longevity of

the relevant signification of the house/ lord. BUT if St graha-aspects

them

(I suppose this holds true also for rasi-drishtis), it INCREASES their

longevity, as St is the natural significator for longevity. This opposite

result between occupying & aspecting a house, is unclear.

Visti: Yes, Saturns desire is to strenghten us, and give us long life. But

at the same time, Saturn is the greatest malefic, and punishes us quite

severely if we make mistakes. As its Saturns desire todo so, this won't

apply to Rasi Dristi.

 

 

2.   Natural friends/ enemies of planets X influencing houses represented

by X by natural signification:

a) Ref pg 235: bad effect of Mc on Mn as Mn is v friendly to Mc, while Mc

hates Mn.

 

The scheme of friendships is given in Bphs.

true, mercury doesn't like moon.

an easy way to remember friendships is;

 

Grahas lording 3rd, 6th, 7th, 10th and 11th(Upachaya & 7th) houses from

the Moolatrikona sign of a graha, are enemies towards it.

 

If the graha lords both a friendly and an enimical house from the

Moolatrikona sign, then it becomes neutral. Grahas lording exaltation

signs become friendly. And hence Grahas lording debilitation signs are

become enimical.

 

b) Ref Pg: 167: Ve is natural enemy of Mn, so in 5, as is 2 from 4, is

malefic to mother (4).

But I thought that Mn has no enemies while the enemy of both Mc & Ve is

Mn.

Venus doesn't like moon, and will harm it. Basta!

Moon is compassionate to everyone, and hence won't harm a soul.. look at

the lordships.

 

c) Ma conjoin Lord of 2 in 11 (also then, aspects 2)= wealth, BUT speak

late in childhood (as Mc= karaka of 2 for speech, & is natural enemy of

Ma).

YES! Mars doesn't like Mercury and will hence cause problems for it. Is

there a question here?

 

d) Mc in 11= many friends, early gains, good marital relations, BUT

disinterest in sex, as Ve (natural karaka of 7) is deb in Mc's sign, so Mc

negates influence of Ve (NC: but Mc & Ve are supposed to be mutual

friends?)

Jupiter is a great enemy of Venus, yet Venus is exalted in Jupiters sign.

Any ideas?

 

 

3.   In CoVA chapter on 2nd house: planets/ house in 4 (probably as

argala)

from lord of 2 (probably as maraka) are weakened, eg L2 in 3= enemy (6)

destroyed. Why? L2 will also argala other planets/ houses in 2/4/11/5/8

from it. Why only the 4th arg specifically?

If it were related to Argala, then the house in the 4th would recieve,

Obstruction(10th) from the 2nd from Lagna. But its not related to Argala.

 

I guess its; if the houses succes/siddhi(10th) have your 2nd lord, then

their succes is ruined at the cost of sustaining you. Similarly the 2nd

lord in any house, can destroy it completely, to keep you alive.

 

 

4.   Planetary friendships for finance: In the chapter on the 9th house in

CoVA, special friendship relations between planets is mentioned, to be

used

only for financial affairs.

 

For the 9 planets, in week-day order followed

by nodes, these are mentioned as: Jp, Mc/Jp, Mc/Ve, All except Sn, All

except Ma, All except Sn & Mn, Mc/Jp/Ve, Mc/Jp/Ve/St & lastly for Ke=

Sn/Mn. Then a table is provided for friend-signs for each of the 9

planets,

which basically follow the above as per ownership by friends, WITH TWO

EXCEPTIONS which is puzzling me: a) For Ra: Ta & Aq is missing. b) For Ke:

Ar is added. Are these printing mistakes, or is there any particular

reason? c) also in the age table there, an odd figure for St is 82 as a

secondary age: correct or printing mistake?

Unfortunately i can't comment on printing errors.

The Friendship table is the same as in Sanjays translation of MahaRishi

Jaimini's Upadesa Sutras.

And wealth examination isn't on the topic board. I hope sanjay can

enlighten us on how these years are derived, and how the friendships for

finances are derived.

 

5.   Nodes conjoin planet: I thought they simply eclipse any planet they

conjoin incl Sn/ Mn, but unclear fm Pt Rath, whether this is only if they

win the yudh with that plnt. Also, what is the orb for such yudh/ eclipse,

for the nodes in particular

Nononono, this is a silly misunderstanding. Tell me, have you ever

experienced a Jupiter-eclipse? I think not. The PanchaGrahas have their

own nodes, which we don't use in astrology. Some western astrologers do

use them thou.

 

Hope this helps.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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