To solai guru

February 12, 2002

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Namaste Partha,

I used tell in this list. We should make wrong predictions and make mistakes in

this forum, not outside. Unless, a person makes his attempt on prediction, how

come he will know he is right or not.

This forum or Varahamihira is not meant for astrological counseling. But,

whoever making the request, must be prepared for such thorough scrutinisation

of the chart and also wrong predictions from the beginners. There is nothing

against the native intended or there is no character assassination. As you

told, we should not explicitly express the negative characters of the native in

day-to-day counseling. But, in learning we have to discuss everything, there is

nothing to hide. I am not saying Hari is right. If he is wrong in his

prediction, disprove it by the astro facts. That is what he wants, correction.

Partial or impartial is a wrong word in SJVC, Partha. I neither know you nor

Hari, except as the students of SJVC. As you might have noticed I am not free

to participate in the discussions, at present, except reading all the mails.

But, why I immediately replied to you is: I do not want others including Hari

to give you a negative reply. In deed, I wanted to protect you at the same time

I wanted to correct you. All are same for me. But, your wrong tone will restrict

others to participate. The whole purpose of starting this SJVC class is to have

free climate for the beginners to share their knowledge without any

reservation. That is why I have to jump in.

Thanks

Solai Kannan

partvinu5 [partvinu5 ]12

February 2002 11:13 AMsjvcSubject: [sjvc] Re: To solai guru

dear Solai guruOm Namh Sivayadear sir, i am not crticising hari. I was just

wondering how a person who does not belong to list(visti) may post on this

list. Also my point is very simple, we are here learning and sharing notes. so

i dont see why is it being used as a place for predictions. You please guide me

, how can a beginner make predictions and also offer advices. This is what hari

has told. he has told many a times that he is a beginner. understanding a chart

is not wrong. that does give us insights, but making predictions is not correct.

I am also learning jyotish and if someone feels that he needs some guidance or

predictions i request him or her to mail me privately and then we share the

ideas. Sir i request you to be impartial, i am in no way trying to prove my

superiority, but actually trying to point out some basic mistakes. Do you do

charecter assasination of a person when reading a chart. Please tell me with

open heart. I felt bad that the comcerned astrologer was making bad remarks. a

person when approaches jyotishya he approaches for help and not charecter

analysis.regardsyour shishyaparthasjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...>

wrote:> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> JAYA JAGANNATHA> > Namaste Partha,> > SJVC

is exclusively meant for teaching and learning. So, here, astrological>

counseling is not important. Hari is trying to read the chart and present> his

observations. So that the person who asked this question will confirm or>

contradict his observation. By this way he will learn. Similarly, by giving>

the remedial measure, he can get the feed back from the gurus.> > But, your

sarcastic tone may hurt Hari and will hold all others who are very> shy to

present their observations or notes. As far as astrological learning> is

concerned this forum is completely free and open for the members to> present

their queries and observation.> > Do not criticize the members. You have every

right to correct and argue. But> not to insult them for their answers. Here all

are at beginners level. As> you can see out of 200 members only a handful are

exchanging the mails. The> rest are all afraid that they might be under

criticism, if they say some> thing wrong. So, we have to make a friendly and

open climate for them.> > Thanks> Solai Kannan> >

partvinu5 [partvinu5]> 12 February 2002 10:17 AM>

sjvc> Re: Fw: [sjvc] AS per Visti Request i am fwd'ing this

help> needed - My Attempt. Katti Narahari> > > dear hari> > > could u kindly

elaborate on the following> > i just could not understand may be due to my

less intellectual> capacity or whatever> > > >> Mars was quite badly placed

and vargottama, note that its also 2nd> lord. When 2nd lord is in a Movable

Navamsa, and afflicted by> Malefics the person goes back on their word. The

family is probably> tired of her lying, and now they wanto punish her, by

setting> ultimatums.> > > i suppose the person concerned asked for her

friend some help, i am> not saying that one should hide truth. but are the

above statements> going to give any solace.> > > > Mars is also with Rahu

in 9th in Navamsa.. She doesn't have> the 'highest' regard for her parents..

The Lagnamsa is close to the> border.> > here is another example. the

person asked a simple query regarding> marriage and not regarding her

charecter or other traits.> > > > > If its Scorpio, then she despises elders,

and may have very strong> fits of anger at time, whereas she's mostly

contained.> > If its Sag, then she is highly flirtatious, and skilled at>

diplomatics.> > another example phew!!!> > > > Now for lessening family

problems, the Kula Devata should be> worshipped.> > 2nd house in

Vimsamsa(D-20) is unoccupied, whilst aspected by Moon,> Sun and Saturn, from

Aqua. So she should worship Shiva.> > Note that Mercury is 4th lord in both

Rasi and Vimsamsa, pointing> at the Grama Devata. She should have arranged a

large dance(7th) for> the town(Grama Devata) to remove the karma.> > >

dance as remedial measure-may be as i am not really that well versed> with

remedial measures. could gurus throw light as to how dance can> remove the

doshas.> > > Instead she must now perform Dances for Shiva, on Mondays,

reciting> the mantra: "Om Namo Shivaya".> > > praying shiva is the greatest

mukti that a person can attain. shiva> is the symbol of mercy. may shiva help

all the souls to see the> light.> > regards> partha> > > > > > >

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February 12, 2002

dear solai guru

OM namh sivaya

dear guru, i am thankful to you for giving me a good advice.

regards

partha

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Partha,

>

> I used tell in this list. We should make wrong predictions and make

mistakes

> in this forum, not outside. Unless, a person makes his attempt on

> prediction, how come he will know he is right or not.

>

> This forum or Varahamihira is not meant for astrological

counseling. But,

> whoever making the request, must be prepared for such thorough

> scrutinisation of the chart and also wrong predictions from the

beginners.

> There is nothing against the native intended or there is no

character

> assassination. As you told, we should not explicitly express the

negative

> characters of the native in day-to-day counseling. But, in learning

we have

> to discuss everything, there is nothing to hide. I am not saying

Hari is

> right. If he is wrong in his prediction, disprove it by the astro

facts.

> That is what he wants, correction.

>

> Partial or impartial is a wrong word in SJVC, Partha. I neither

know you nor

> Hari, except as the students of SJVC. As you might have noticed I

am not

> free to participate in the discussions, at present, except reading

all the

> mails. But, why I immediately replied to you is: I do not want

others

> including Hari to give you a negative reply. In deed, I wanted to

protect

> you at the same time I wanted to correct you. All are same for me.

But, your

> wrong tone will restrict others to participate. The whole purpose of

> starting this SJVC class is to have free climate for the beginners

to share

> their knowledge without any reservation. That is why I have to jump

in.

>

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

>

> partvinu5 [partvinu5]

> 12 February 2002 11:13 AM

> sjvc

> [sjvc] Re: To solai guru

>

> dear Solai guru

>

> Om Namh Sivaya

>

> dear sir, i am not crticising hari. I was just wondering how a

person

> who does not belong to list(visti) may post on this list. Also my

> point is very simple, we are here learning and sharing notes. so i

> dont see why is it being used as a place for predictions. You

please

> guide me , how can a beginner make predictions and also offer

> advices. This is what hari has told. he has told many a times

that he

> is a beginner. understanding a chart is not wrong. that does give

us

> insights, but making predictions is not correct. I am also

learning

> jyotish and if someone feels that he needs some guidance or

> predictions i request him or her to mail me privately and then we

> share the ideas.

>

> Sir i request you to be impartial, i am in no way trying to prove

my

> superiority, but actually trying to point out some basic

mistakes. Do

> you do charecter assasination of a person when reading a chart.

> Please tell me with open heart. I felt bad that the comcerned

> astrologer was making bad remarks. a person when approaches

jyotishya

> he approaches for help and not charecter analysis.

>

> regards

> your shishya

> partha

>

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:

> > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> > JAYA JAGANNATHA

> >

> > Namaste Partha,

> >

> > SJVC is exclusively meant for teaching and learning. So, here,

> astrological

> > counseling is not important. Hari is trying to read the chart

and

> present

> > his observations. So that the person who asked this question

will

> confirm or

> > contradict his observation. By this way he will learn.

Similarly,

> by giving

> > the remedial measure, he can get the feed back from the gurus.

> >

> > But, your sarcastic tone may hurt Hari and will hold all others

who

> are very

> > shy to present their observations or notes. As far as

astrological

> learning

> > is concerned this forum is completely free and open for the

members

> to

> > present their queries and observation.

> >

> > Do not criticize the members. You have every right to correct

and

> argue. But

> > not to insult them for their answers. Here all are at beginners

> level. As

> > you can see out of 200 members only a handful are exchanging the

> mails. The

> > rest are all afraid that they might be under criticism, if they

say

> some

> > thing wrong. So, we have to make a friendly and open climate for

> them.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Solai Kannan

> >

> > partvinu5 [partvinu5]

> > 12 February 2002 10:17 AM

> > sjvc

> > Re: Fw: [sjvc] AS per Visti Request i am fwd'ing this

> help

> > needed - My Attempt. Katti Narahari

> >

> > dear hari

> >

> > could u kindly elaborate on the following

> >

> > i just could not understand may be due to my less intellectual

> > capacity or whatever

> >

> > >> Mars was quite badly placed and vargottama, note that its

also

> 2nd

> > lord. When 2nd lord is in a Movable Navamsa, and afflicted by

> > Malefics the person goes back on their word. The family is

> probably

> > tired of her lying, and now they wanto punish her, by setting

> > ultimatums.

> >

> > i suppose the person concerned asked for her friend some

help, i

> am

> > not saying that one should hide truth. but are the above

> statements

> > going to give any solace.

> >

> > > Mars is also with Rahu in 9th in Navamsa.. She doesn't have

> > the 'highest' regard for her parents.. The Lagnamsa is close

to

> the

> > border.

> >

> > here is another example. the person asked a simple query

regarding

> > marriage and not regarding her charecter or other traits.

> >

> > > If its Scorpio, then she despises elders, and may have very

> strong

> > fits of anger at time, whereas she's mostly contained.

> > > If its Sag, then she is highly flirtatious, and skilled at

> > diplomatics.

> >

> > another example phew!!!

> >

> > > Now for lessening family problems, the Kula Devata should be

> > worshipped.

> > > 2nd house in Vimsamsa(D-20) is unoccupied, whilst aspected

by

> Moon,

> > Sun and Saturn, from Aqua. So she should worship Shiva.

> > > Note that Mercury is 4th lord in both Rasi and Vimsamsa,

> pointing

> > at the Grama Devata. She should have arranged a large dance

(7th)

> for

> > the town(Grama Devata) to remove the karma.

> >

> > dance as remedial measure-may be as i am not really that well

> versed

> > with remedial measures. could gurus throw light as to how

dance

> can

> > remove the doshas.

> >

> > > Instead she must now perform Dances for Shiva, on Mondays,

> reciting

> > the mantra: "Om Namo Shivaya".

> >

> > praying shiva is the greatest mukti that a person can attain.

> shiva

> > is the symbol of mercy. may shiva help all the souls to see

the

> > light.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > Sponsor

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February 12, 2002

Jaya Jagannath!

Dear Solai, Partha and Hari,

As far as I understood, this forum(sjvc) is meant for beginners to

prepare for entering varahamihira forum. Therefore, I do not approve of

analyzing charts in here, and neither do I approve of harsh tones on either

sides. Dear Partha do contact me privately, and I will give you a piece

of advice. I have accepted Partha to be my student, however, he will have

to wait for direct motion of Guru in mithuna for his support in learning.What

I would like to see in this list, that ALL STUDENTS MUST do assignments

Solai and Gauranga preprared. You should all read classic texts and form

strong basis. That is the only way for all of you(students) to get into

Varahamihira list. So I would apprieciate more if you all discuss the basics

of jyotishas, all about grahas, bhavas, rashis, nakshatras, and basic steps

into the charts. Leave the navamsa till now.. Leave the advance topics..

Concentrate on basics..

Best wishes,

Zoran

Solai Kannan wrote:

OHM

SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAHJAYA

JAGANNATHANamaste

Partha,I

used tell in this list. We should make wrong predictions and make mistakes

in this forum, not outside. Unless, a person makes his attempt on prediction,

how come he will know he is right or not. This

forum or Varahamihira is not meant for astrological counseling. But, whoever

making the request, must be prepared for such thorough scrutinisation of

the chart and also wrong predictions from the beginners. There is nothing

against the native intended or there is no character assassination. As

you told, we should not explicitly express the negative characters of the

native in day-to-day counseling. But, in learning we have to discuss everything,

there is nothing to hide. I am not saying Hari is right. If he is wrong

in his prediction, disprove it by the astro facts. That is what he wants,

correction.Partial

or impartial is a wrong word in SJVC, Partha. I neither know you nor Hari,

except as the students of SJVC. As you might have noticed I am not free

to participate in the discussions, at present, except reading all the mails.

But, why I immediately replied to you is: I do not want others including

Hari to give you a negative reply. In deed, I wanted to protect you at

the same time I wanted to correct you. All are same for me. But, your wrong

tone will restrict others to participate. The whole purpose of starting

this SJVC class is to have free climate for the beginners to share their

knowledge without any reservation. That is why I have to jump in.ThanksSolai

Kannan-----Original

Message-----

partvinu5 [partvinu5 ]

12 February 2002 11:13

AM

sjvc

[sjvc] Re: To solai

guru

dear Solai guru

Om Namh Sivaya

dear sir, i am not crticising hari. I was just wondering how a person

who does not belong to list(visti) may post on this list. Also

my

point is very simple, we are here learning and sharing notes. so

i

dont see why is it being used as a place for predictions. You please

guide me , how can a beginner make predictions and also offer

advices. This is what hari has told. he has told many a times that

he

is a beginner. understanding a chart is not wrong. that does give

us

insights, but making predictions is not correct. I am also learning

jyotish and if someone feels that he needs some guidance or

predictions i request him or her to mail me privately and then

we

share the ideas.

Sir i request you to be impartial, i am in no way trying to prove

my

superiority, but actually trying to point out some basic mistakes.

Do

you do charecter assasination of a person when reading a chart.

Please tell me with open heart. I felt bad that the comcerned

astrologer was making bad remarks. a person when approaches jyotishya

he approaches for help and not charecter analysis.

regards

your shishya

partha

sjvc, "Solai Kannan" <solai@i...> wrote:

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Partha,

>

> SJVC is exclusively meant for teaching and learning. So, here,

astrological

> counseling is not important. Hari is trying to read the chart

and

present

> his observations. So that the person who asked this question

will

confirm or

> contradict his observation. By this way he will learn. Similarly,

by giving

> the remedial measure, he can get the feed back from the gurus.

>

> But, your sarcastic tone may hurt Hari and will hold all others

who

are very

> shy to present their observations or notes. As far as astrological

learning

> is concerned this forum is completely free and open for the members

to

> present their queries and observation.

>

> Do not criticize the members. You have every right to correct

and

argue. But

> not to insult them for their answers. Here all are at beginners

level. As

> you can see out of 200 members only a handful are exchanging

the

mails. The

> rest are all afraid that they might be under criticism, if they

say

some

> thing wrong. So, we have to make a friendly and open climate

for

them.

>

> Thanks

> Solai Kannan

>

> partvinu5 [partvinu5]

> 12 February 2002 10:17 AM

> sjvc

> Re: Fw: [sjvc] AS per Visti Request i am

fwd'ing this

help

> needed - My Attempt. Katti Narahari

>

> dear hari

>

> could u kindly elaborate on the following

>

> i just could not understand may be due to my less

intellectual

> capacity or whatever

>

> >> Mars was quite badly placed and vargottama, note

that its also

2nd

> lord. When 2nd lord is in a Movable Navamsa, and

afflicted by

> Malefics the person goes back on their word. The

family is

probably

> tired of her lying, and now they wanto punish her,

by setting

> ultimatums.

>

> i suppose the person concerned asked for her friend

some help, i

am

> not saying that one should hide truth. but are the

above

statements

> going to give any solace.

>

> > Mars is also with Rahu in 9th in Navamsa.. She

doesn't have

> the 'highest' regard for her parents.. The Lagnamsa

is close to

the

> border.

>

> here is another example. the person asked a simple

query regarding

> marriage and not regarding her charecter or other

traits.

>

> > If its Scorpio, then she despises elders, and may

have very

strong

> fits of anger at time, whereas she's mostly contained.

> > If its Sag, then she is highly flirtatious, and

skilled at

> diplomatics.

>

> another example phew!!!

>

> > Now for lessening family problems, the Kula Devata

should be

> worshipped.

> > 2nd house in Vimsamsa(D-20) is unoccupied, whilst

aspected by

Moon,

> Sun and Saturn, from Aqua. So she should worship

Shiva.

> > Note that Mercury is 4th lord in both Rasi and

Vimsamsa,

pointing

> at the Grama Devata. She should have arranged a large

dance(7th)

for

> the town(Grama Devata) to remove the karma.

>

> dance as remedial measure-may be as i am not really

that well

versed

> with remedial measures. could gurus throw light as

to how dance

can

> remove the doshas.

>

> > Instead she must now perform Dances for Shiva,

on Mondays,

reciting

> the mantra: "Om Namo Shivaya".

>

> praying shiva is the greatest mukti that a person

can attain.

shiva

> is the symbol of mercy. may shiva help all the

souls to see the

> light.

>

> regards

> partha

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February 17, 2002

Pranam

I have been reading your and shri sanjay jis mail at the list. I have been a

member for the last 4-5 months but as you have stated in your mail below - Yes

I was very shy to present my observations or notes and most of all i was afraid

that i might be under criticism as i am a beginner.

But after reading in your mail that "The whole purpose of starting this SJVC

class is to have free climate for the beginners to share their knowledge

without any reservation" and your writing that "in learning we have to discuss

everything, there is nothing to hide. If he is wrong in his prediction,

disprove it by the astro facts. That is what he wants, correction". I fully

agree with you. This is exactly what every beginner including me wants. But

due to shyness and fear to go wrong i(& i think many) abstain my(our)self from

replying.

I am also a beginner like many others here. Though i have sent some mails but

as i did not get any comments from anybody i was hesitant to go ahead.

After reading this mail and seeing your attitude towards us - i would certainly

like to praise you for your kind attitude and hope this will be continued for

new members like me in the list and we will be able to express our opinion

freely without using harsh words or sarcastic tone.

With Warm Regards,Ashwin Hirani

Solai Kannan <solai (AT) ihb (DOT) net> wrote: