Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. Lakhsmi has prepared a brief account of the proceedings, which is copied below. We seek your comments and guidance so that our meetings are more fruitful and enlightening - so that our group shapes up as per your vision. With sincere regards, Shailesh SJVC - Hyderabad Chapter-1st Meeting held on 24.02.2002 The meeting was attended by 4 members, namely, Shailesh, Partha, Nitish and Lakshmi. Satya Sai could not attend the meeting because he was out of station. However, he is keenly interested and has indicated that he would like to join the next meeting. Before the start of meeting, all participants got mutually acquainted. Meditation was conducted on the lines prescribed by Gurudev. Facing North-East, we placed Bhagavat Gita on a low table, lighted incense sticks and meditated silently, praying to our respective Ishta Devatas. The following blind chart, provided by Shailesh, was taken up for analysis. Female; Feb 23, 1981, 12 noon, TZ 5:30 (East), 78 E 33'; 17 N 27' +--------------+ |GL | |Asc |Mnd Glk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| |Sun Mar | |Rah HL | |Ven | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Rasi |-----------| |MerR Ket | |AL | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Moo JupR | | | | |SatR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ +--------------+ |Mar AL |Mnd |Asc JupR | | | | |SatR Ket | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------| Navamsa |-----------| |Sun HL | | | |GL Glk | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | |Rah |Ven |Moo MerR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ First, the vargottama Taurus lagna native’s physical characteristics were discussed. Then a discussion on how the lagna lord/ dispositor of lagna lord/ planets in lagna /navamsa lagna influence the physique of the individual. Then the group talked about the impact of the nodes being placed in the 3rd house, and whether 11th or 3rd house denotes friends. Rahu in the 3rd might indicate differences with the sibling. Special attention was focused on the 5th house, and the impact on progeny, due to Jupiter’s placement in 5th house along with Saturn (Yogakaraka) & Moon (Atmakaraka). The chart has Jupiter, Mercury and Saturn in retrograde motion, and Mercury’s parivartana with Saturn was also taken note of. Mercury (2nd & 5th lord) is in the 9th with Ketu, shows good dhana yoga and leanings towards spirituality. This noting is further corroborated by the 5th house. The 10th house has Sun(4th lord) with Mars (7th & 12th lord) and Venus (lagna & 6th lord). This combination indicates a technical education, and with Venus’s influence, has a bit of aesthetics also thrown in. The native is at present finishing B.E (Architecture). Since the 4th lord is with the 12th lord, it indicates the native pursuing education away from home. Sun & Mars having digbala in 10th and the ascendant lord’s placement also in the 10th shows an ambitious person, who would achieve remarkable success in career. Since the 7th lord Mars is in 10th with Venus, the kalatrakaraka & darakaraka, marriage with a professional colleague is a probability. But the parivartana between the 5th lord and 9 & 10th lord and the fact that all the factors ruling love and affection are with malefics, might result in conflict between personal and professional fronts. The linkage between A5 & A7, upapada & darapada were discussed with reference to love marriage. The group also briefly discussed the nature of Moon, its importance/ relationship vis-à-vis Memory & knowledge, and the impact of the conjunction of various planets with Moon, and summarized them as the following: Mars+Moon = logic Mercury+Moon=intelligence Jupiter+Moon=knowledge Saturn+Moon=past, including past lives Rahu+Moon=Schizophrenia Ketu+Moon=? There was also a brief dialogue as to who is the karaka for ego, between Sun & Rahu and the difference between Rasi drishti and graha drishti. Sri Rama’s chart was frequently referenced to in this regard. The meeting generated a lot of enthusiasm among the members, and what was originally intended to be a monthly meeting is now most likely to be a fortnightly event The next meeting is tentative scheduled for March 10, 4 pm at the residence of Shailesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" Shri Sanjay, Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy soon. Regards, Lakshmi Shailesh <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. <<snipped>> Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between Jupiter and Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address these issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity calculations. I will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. The reference is to D-27. By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. Am I right? Regards, Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: Om Gurave Namah "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" Shri Sanjay, Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy soon. Regards, Lakshmi Shailesh <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. <<snipped>> Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! Your use of is subject to the Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Dear Lakshmi, Dear Lakshmi, Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post are: > ego: [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the natural attribute of royalty. Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes 'ego, pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of Jeevanath's Bhava Prakash. I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - ‘AHAM’ and ‘AHAMKAR’ comes from misplaced importance given to ‘AHAM’ . Therefore, it also presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to ‘AHAMKAR’ However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu, quoting CoVA. I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is so only for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts] > Karaka for DHARMA [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the interpretor/ perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma] > Physical characteristics & physique: [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim and narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity. Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the excessive influence of SUN on the lagna lord. As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji’s comments on the following logic: Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others – therefore is it correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance. If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in D-1 indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/ intrinsic personality.,] Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us. Regards Shailesh - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:11 PM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting Om Gurave Namah Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between Jupiter and Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address these issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity calculations. I will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. The reference is to D-27. By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. Am I right? Regards, Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: Om Gurave Namah "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" Shri Sanjay, Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy soon. Regards, Lakshmi Shailesh <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. <<snipped>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Sailesh, Comments given under:With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Shailesh sjvc Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting Dear Lakshmi, Dear Lakshmi, Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post are: > ego: [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the natural attribute of royalty. Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes 'ego, pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of Jeevanath's Bhava Prakash. I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - ‘AHAM’ and ‘AHAMKAR’ comes from misplaced importance given to ‘AHAM’ . Therefore, it also presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to ‘AHAMKAR’ However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu, quoting CoVA. I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is so only for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts] RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is the individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the individual as different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana believes that say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different from Sanjay or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being different from others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has been explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is different from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very truthful and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will shed light that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood. Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is a function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is subject to this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of rebirth. The Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its relative motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the earth. This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane with the equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and Ketu. The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from Ketu to Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu when it is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments and living in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha - renunciation and living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this for a later date. Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego basking or spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had mentioned that Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and mental gratification. > Karaka for DHARMA [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the interpretor/ perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma] RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the first house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from whom the Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn into a religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I am a hindu simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the Sun is the first Karaka. Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life. The teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc depending on the religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of the Sun and hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion as that of the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter. > Physical characteristics & physique: [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim and narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity. Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the excessive influence of SUN on the lagna lord. RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord unless the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored Drekkana and Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing the physical personality. As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji’s comments on the following logic: Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others – therefore is it correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance. If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in D-1 indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/ intrinsic personality.,] RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some say on personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man). However, fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e. Lagna. Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us. Regards Shailesh - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:11 PM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting Om Gurave Namah Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between Jupiter and Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address these issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity calculations. I will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. The reference is to D-27. By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. Am I right? Regards, Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: Om Gurave Namah "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" Shri Sanjay, Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy soon. Regards, Lakshmi Shailesh <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. <<snipped>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, Thank you very much for your enlightening comments and advise. With best regards, Shailesh - Sanjay Rath sjvc Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:54 PM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting om gurave namah------------------------Dear Sailesh, Comments given under:With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Shailesh sjvc Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting Dear Lakshmi, Dear Lakshmi, Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post are: > ego: [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the natural attribute of royalty. Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes 'ego, pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of Jeevanath's Bhava Prakash. I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - ‘AHAM’ and ‘AHAMKAR’ comes from misplaced importance given to ‘AHAM’ . Therefore, it also presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to ‘AHAMKAR’ However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu, quoting CoVA. I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is so only for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts] RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is the individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the individual as different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana believes that say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different from Sanjay or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being different from others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has been explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is different from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very truthful and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will shed light that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood. Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is a function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is subject to this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of rebirth. The Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its relative motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the earth. This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane with the equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and Ketu. The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from Ketu to Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu when it is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments and living in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha - renunciation and living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this for a later date. Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego basking or spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had mentioned that Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and mental gratification. > Karaka for DHARMA [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the interpretor/ perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma] RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the first house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from whom the Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn into a religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I am a hindu simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the Sun is the first Karaka. Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life. The teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc depending on the religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of the Sun and hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion as that of the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter. > Physical characteristics & physique: [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim and narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity. Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the excessive influence of SUN on the lagna lord. RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord unless the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored Drekkana and Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing the physical personality. As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji’s comments on the following logic: Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others – therefore is it correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance. If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in D-1 indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/ intrinsic personality.,] RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some say on personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man). However, fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e. Lagna. Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us. Regards Shailesh - lakshmi ramesh sjvc Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:11 PM Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting Om Gurave Namah Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between Jupiter and Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address these issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity calculations. I will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. The reference is to D-27. By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. Am I right? Regards, Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > wrote: Om Gurave Namah "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" Shri Sanjay, Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy soon. Regards, Lakshmi Shailesh <scchadha (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Respected Sanjay Guru ji, Namaste, With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. <<snipped>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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