Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 dear sanjay guruji So is it fair to say that sun in lagna means a person who is truthful and dharmic,. is it fair to say that sun in 12th DOESNOT mean that he has to overcome his EGO to attain moksha. Why i made the second statement is because there are many people in different lists including some revered and honourable pundits who have said that sun is ego and he being in 12th is affecting me most. i have to overcome the EGO denoted by SUN and then only i can attain moksha. regards partha sjvc, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Sailesh, > Comments given under: > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > Shailesh > sjvc > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM > Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier post are: > > > > > ego: > > [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, the natural > attribute of royalty. > > > > Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', attributes 'ego, > pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of Jeevanath's Bhava > Prakash. > > > > I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - 'AHAM' and 'AHAMKAR' > comes from misplaced importance given to 'AHAM' . Therefore, it also > presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to 'AHAMKAR' > > > > However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu, quoting CoVA. > > > > I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is so only > for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts] > > > > RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is the > individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the individual as > different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana believes that > say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different from Sanjay > or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being different from > others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has been > explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is different > from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very truthful > and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will shed light > that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood. > > Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is a > function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is subject to > this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of rebirth. The > Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its relative > motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the earth. > This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane with the > equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and Ketu. > > The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from Ketu to > Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu when it > is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati > (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments and living > in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha - renunciation and > living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this for a > later date. > > Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego basking or > spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had mentioned that > Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and mental > gratification. > > > > > Karaka for DHARMA > > [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the interpretor/ > perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma] > > RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the first > house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from whom the > Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn into a > religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I am a hindu > simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the Sun is > the first Karaka. > > Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life. The > teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc depending on the > religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of the Sun and > hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion as that of > the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter. > > > > Physical characteristics & physique: > > [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim and > narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity. > > > > Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the excessive > influence of SUN on the lagna lord. > > RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord unless > the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored Drekkana and > Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing the > physical personality. > > > > As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji's comments on the following logic: > > > > Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others - therefore is it > correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance. > > > > If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL in D-1 > indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/ intrinsic > personality.,] > > RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some say on > personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man). However, > fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e. Lagna. > > > > Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us. > > > > Regards > > > > Shailesh > > > > - > lakshmi ramesh > sjvc > Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:11 PM > Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, > > What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between Jupiter and > Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address these > issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read > knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity calculations. I > will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. > > According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. The > reference is to D-27. > > By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. Am I > right? > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave > > Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" > > Shri Sanjay, > > Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and what was > most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie amongst all the > members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. > > Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & warm > hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you for making > it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a similar joy > soon. > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > Shailesh <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > Respected Sanjay Guru ji, > > Namaste, > > With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the first > discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, 2002, from > approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. > > <<snipped>> > > Sponsor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2002 Report Share Posted February 28, 2002 Dear Partha Sun in your case has a specific role. It is not only natural Atmakarak but personal Atmakarak. That is the reason. So sun is not affecting you. Sun is the King of Your Chart, and he would guide you towards God. However, as atmakarak, his role is to punish you in personal affairs, such as self etc.. else, read my personal mail I sent the other week.. Best wishes, Zoran partvinu5 wrote: > dear sanjay guruji > > So is it fair to say that sun in lagna means a person who is truthful > and dharmic,. > is it fair to say that sun in 12th DOESNOT mean that he has to > overcome his EGO to attain moksha. > > Why i made the second statement is because there are many people in > different lists including some revered and honourable pundits who > have said that sun is ego and he being in 12th is affecting me most. > i have to overcome the EGO denoted by SUN and then only i can attain > moksha. > > regards > partha > > sjvc, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > > ------------------------ > > Dear Sailesh, > > Comments given under: > > With best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > - > > Shailesh > > sjvc > > Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:00 AM > > Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > Yes, some points which should have been mentioned in the earlier > post are: > > > > > > > > > ego: > > > > [consensus was that SUN, the King, is significator of ego, > the natural > > attribute of royalty. > > > > > > > > Shiv Chadha, in his book 'Significators. . . .', > attributes 'ego, > > pride, arrogance, haughtiness' to Sun, on the authority of > Jeevanath's Bhava > > Prakash. > > > > > > > > I may also add that SUN is Karaka for self - 'AHAM' > and 'AHAMKAR' > > comes from misplaced importance given to 'AHAM' . Therefore, it also > > presupposes affliction to SUN for it to give rise to 'AHAMKAR' > > > > > > > > However, you have mentioned that ego is a function Rahu, > quoting CoVA. > > > > > > > > I hope Gurus will clarify the point, especially whether it is > so only > > for D-27 or in all charts & D-charts] > > > > > > > > RATH: The Karaka for the self is the Sun and this is not ego. It is > the > > individual atma. The consciousness of the existence of the > individual as > > different from others is brought about by the Mana. The Mana > believes that > > say 'Sailesh' is a different and unique personality - different > from Sanjay > > or Lakshmi and others. This perception of the self as being > different from > > others is Ahamkara. Thus, Mana gives birth to Ahamkara and this has > been > > explained in the initial teachings on Creation. This Ahamkara is > different > > from Atma and hence Sun cannot be its indicator as the Sun is very > truthful > > and of Satwik disposition. The Sun will not lie, and instead will > shed light > > that will unveil all untruth, lies and falsehood. > > > > Having accepted that Ahamkara is different from the Atma and is > a > > function of the Mana, let us study the Mana Karaka Moon that is > subject to > > this 'disease' that prevents emancipation from the cycle of > rebirth. The > > Moon has various motion of which a very important motion is its > relative > > motion in the vertical direction from the equatorial plane of the > earth. > > This is the Latitude. The points of intersection of the lunar plane > with the > > equitorial plane are called NODES and in jyotish they are Rahu and > Ketu. > > > > The Moon's motion can be divided into two parts i.e. (a) from > Ketu to > > Rahu when it is in the northern latitude and (b) from Rahu to ketu > when it > > is in the southern latitude. There are various ways to know the Gati > > (movement or direction) as being towards Rahu (Bhoga - enjoyments > and living > > in the delusion of EGO) or as being towards Ketu (Moksha - > renunciation and > > living without this delusion of self importance). I will leave this > for a > > later date. > > > > Thus, it is the Rahu & Ketu and their trines that show ego > basking or > > spiritual upliftment respectively. That is why in COVA I had > mentioned that > > Rahu causes egoism and a egotist - obsession with the self and > mental > > gratification. > > > > > > > > > Karaka for DHARMA > > > > [sun or Jup. - consensus being that JUP, the Rajguru, is the > interpretor/ > > perceptor and SUN, as the King, is upholder of Dharma] > > > > RATH: The ninth house is the Dharma Bhava. Now, treat this as the > first > > house for Dharma and we have two Karaka - first is the father from > whom the > > Dharma comes. The first Karaka is the Sun. Thus a baby is reborn > into a > > religion based on that adopted by his natural or foster father. I > am a hindu > > simply because my father is a hindu. This is the first rule and the > Sun is > > the first Karaka. > > > > Then comes learning of the dharma i.e. principles which guide life. > The > > teachers of these will be the priests, guru's, mullah's etc > depending on the > > religion for which the Karaka is Jupiter. Jupiter is a friend of > the Sun and > > hence these priests etc will normally belong to the same religion > as that of > > the father. This is the second rule for which the Karaka is Jupiter. > > > > > > > Physical characteristics & physique: > > > > [The main issue was that the native is pretty & fair, but very slim > and > > narrow framed, which is totally contrary to TA nativity. > > > > > > > > Partha mentioned, and others agreed, that it could be due to the > excessive > > influence of SUN on the lagna lord. > > > > RATH: The Lagna is the Physical personality and not the Lagna Lord > unless > > the lord is in Lagna itself. Secondly, you seem to have ignored > Drekkana and > > Navamsa Lagna completely. Please study these aspects for describing > the > > physical personality. > > > > > > > > As an afterthought, I seek Guru ji's comments on the following > logic: > > > > > > > > Arudha Lagna indicates how a person is perceived by others - > therefore is it > > correct to assume that AL is the determinator of persons appearance. > > > > > > > > If I may extend this argument a little further, can we say that AL > in D-1 > > indicates physical personality and AL in D-9 indicates spiritual/ > intrinsic > > personality.,] > > > > RATH: Perception is based on knowledge and Arudha does have some > say on > > personlity like clothes (remember the saying clothes make a man). > However, > > fat, slim, fair etc that are given by God is from Satya peetha i.e. > Lagna. > > > > > > > > Let us hope that Sanjay ji and other Gurus will kindly guide us. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Shailesh > > > > > > > > - > > lakshmi ramesh > > sjvc > > Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:11 PM > > Re: [sjvc] SJVC Hyderabad Group - First meeting > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Shailesh, Partha and Nitish, > > > > What about the discussions on longevity and graha yudh between > Jupiter and > > Saturn, in the example chart? I thought one of you will address > these > > issues, and I chose not to, as I do not have enough confidence (read > > knowledge) to talk about them credibly, especially longevity > calculations. I > > will try to read up these & ayanamsa before next meeting. > > > > According to page 32-33 of CoVA, Rahu indicates ego and Sun self. > The > > reference is to D-27. > > > > By the way, I also forgot to include Venus+Moon=artistic talent. > Am I > > right? > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > "Vyaasaaya Vishnu-roopaaya Vyaasa-roopaaya Vishnave > > > > Namovai Brahmanidhaye Vaasistaaya namo namah" > > > > Shri Sanjay, > > > > Namaste. Our first meeting was an enjoyable experience, and > what was > > most apparent was a keen sense of participation and bonhomie > amongst all the > > members. We all felt very much part of SJVC family. > > > > Without your guidance, Nandan's mail, Shailesh's initiative & > warm > > hospitality it wouldn't have been possible. Thanks to all of you > for making > > it happen, and here's wishing that other centres also have a > similar joy > > soon. > > > > Regards, > > > > Lakshmi > > > > Shailesh <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > > Respected Sanjay Guru ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > With your blessings and under your guidance, we conducted the > first > > discussion meeting of SJVC- Hyderabad Group on Sunday, Feb. 24, > 2002, from > > approx 4 pm to 7.30 pm. > > > > <<snipped>> > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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