SJVC Bangalore 1st Meeting on 28th March. Dear Sanjay

[Guest guest]

om guruave namah

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Seeing the past exchange of mails between Karen and yourself, i decided to

attempt the issue of ista devata again. This time hopefully it will be a better

attempt.

 

Data

 

Katti Narahari

3-nov-1970

8:40AM (as in records and not rectified)

Bangalore

 

Of the planets from Sun to Rahu, Venus in my case get's the highest degrees.

Thus Venus would be my atmakaraka. In the Rasi, venus the AK is placed in the

12th house from lagna. Venus, the AK is retrograde pointing to some unfinished

tasks of the previous life.

 

Venus in my navamsa occupies the amsa of Gemini. The 12th from Gemini is Taurus

who is occupied by 3 planets viz. Mars, Ketu and Moon. Moon being exalted.

There is no other planet giving Rasi Drishti to the 12th from Karakamsa. Of

these 3 planets Mars points to Skanda, the warrior god, Ketu pointing to lord

Ganesh and Moon pointing to Gouri, the divine mother. Of these 3 planets, it;s

moon who is exalted and thus the most powerful. Thus my ista would be mother

gouri.

 

Venus in my Vimsamsa is in the 10th along with moon who is my ista. this points

to some kind of service i have to perform all my life. That could be the karma

i am expected to fulfill.

 

In my chart, amatyakaraka is Saturn in the 6th and retro too. This could

indicate again some past life unresolved issue and Amk being in the 6th could

also mean i am in some kind of debt. The 6th from Amatyakaraka (Amk) is mars

who is in the navasma of Taurus. There is no planet in trines to this and no

planet gives Rasi Drishti. But this mars is in the company of Ketu and moon.

Should i take moon as being strong by virtue of her exaltation? If yes, then

mother gouri would be my deity helping me in this materialistic world? Am i

going in the right way? Please do help Sanjay guru!

 

Coming to the indication of my guru, Rahu is my chara bhatri karaka. This would

indicate Durga, another form of Gouri. How should i worship her? would

kundalini yoga which has always fascinated me suffice? I practice kundalini,

but i must be doing it the wrong way? can you please help in this regard too

Sanjay guru?

 

Please do correct me in these doubts. Will be indebted to you. My chart for

8:40AM time of birth is attached.

 

Thanks

 

Regards

 

Your humble sishya

 

Hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Katti Narahari

sjvc

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Saturday, March 30, 2002 7:37 PM

[sjvc] SJVC Bangalore 1st Meeting on 28th March.

om guruave namah

 

Dear Sanjay Guru,

 

Pranams from all your Bangalore students.

 

The following people were able to make it to the 1st SJVC Bangalore meeting.

 

1. Jyoti

2. Rama Priya

3. Krishna Padmasola

4. Pavan Kumar

5. Hari

 

Venue : Uma Maheswari Temple KR Road Bangalore.

 

We did come out with a host of questions. We all await Sanjay guru and other

guru's to show us the light. All the questions and confusions we came across

have are in this colour.

 

The temple had a hall on the 1st floor. We duly went to the person concerned and

asked for permission. We spent sometime getting to know each others. I had

already met Rama Priya and Jyoti prior to this meeting so this helped to some

extent to locate each other.

 

We spent some time meditating after which we went over what we were going to

discuss. The agenda for the 1st SJVC Bangalore meeting was to discuss the

concept of Ista Devata and try to identify our respective ista devata's on our

horoscopes.

 

We started with the discussion about atmakaraka. Rama priya had a query as to

why it;s called chara atmakaraka. For this we discussed the word chara as in

movable or not fixed. Thus the atmakaraka in each horoscope would depend on the

number of degrees gained by a particular planet from Sun to Rahu. The exception

being the degrees gained by Rahu (for determination of his chara karaka) would

be in the reverse.

 

We then discussed about the concept of Atmakaraka. Atmakaraka (AK) is the one

planet who is a soul of the horoscope. More like a king who guides the native

through all the happiness, strife and tribulations for the native.

 

The sign AK is placed in navamsa is called the Karakamsa. We discussed why we

need to see the navamsa only and not Rasi or any other varga. We came to the

conclusion that since the determination of Ista is the issue, we need to see

navamsa as it denotes Dharma.

 

Next was the discussion about the procedure for determining the Ista. We talked

of focusing on the 12th sign from karakamsa. Another question that came up was

why do we need to see 12th from karakamsa. We came up with the answer that 12th

house denotes what dharma we have inherited. 12th house shows with what balance

we came into this world. The 12th from Karakamsa is the fulcrum to determine

the ista. For this we came up with 3 cases that could exist in a horoscope.

 

1st case

 

12th from karakamsa is a sign that is empty.

In the case where the 12th from karakamsa has no planets, we take into

consideration Rasi Dristi from planets on this 12th from karakamsa. If there

are no planets giving rasi dristi, then we take the lord of the 12th

house (from karakamsa) to indicate the ista. When we were discussing the lord

of the house, we ran into the issue of co-lords for Sc and Aq.

 

For determining the co-lords we talked of finding if which lord is with more

planets. If the number of planets associated with both the co-lords, we talked

of checking if any co-lord gets rasi dristi from either Jupiter or

mercury or it's own lord. If this results in a tie, then we chose the stronger

co-lord by the way of thier placement in Dual, fixed and movable signs. The

strength too is in the same order. There was still some confusion with this, so

we request Sanjay guru to clarify this.

 

IInd case.

 

12th from Karamasa has one planet.

If the 12th from karakamsa has one planet, then that planet denotes the Ista.

 

IIIrd Case

 

12th from karakamsa has more than 1 planet.

In this case the planet which has gained more degrees is the stronger of the

others. If ketu is present then the degrees gained by ketu is counted in

reverse. Krishna had a doubt with this as he recollected that for determining

strength's the count is always zodiacal, i.e. in case of ketu it is not

reverse.This is yet another question we seek clarification for.

More questions.

 

1. If there are more than one planet in the 12th from karakamsa and among them

one qualifies as the strongest due to the highest degrees attained. Now in such

a situation, what if the other planet is exalted? Don't we have to consider this

planet as strong? how do we solve this confusion?

 

2. If in the case of many planets in the 12th from karakamasa, the one planet

having more number of degrees if he is combust, retro don't we have to consider

these? Rama priya also came up with the question of avastha's this planet may be

in.

 

3. What if AK is also the Bhadhaka. This question came from Jyoti.

 

4. The ohter question was why rasi dristi of Jupiter and mercury is important. I

mentioned about Dhi Shakti but i feel we need to know more.

 

Below is our attempt to determine the ista for our horoscopes, starting from Pavan Kumar.

 

Pavan Kumar.

 

AK = Jupiter.

Karakamsa = Saggitarius

12th from karakamsa is Sc which has Rahu in it.

Rahu denotes Durga as the ista.

 

Rahu for Pavan in Sc though alone is subjected to Rasi dristi's of Mercury, Moon and Mars.

 

The question we have is if the rule of one planet in 12th from karakamasa is

present, do we identify the ista as per this planet and stop here or do we have

to take into the Rasi Dristi of other planets too? if yes, then the ista would

be more than one. We talked of the issue that if there is a planet in the 12th

from karakamsa other rules don't apply. But we do need some guidance/help here.

 

Jyoti

 

AK = Jupiter (retro)

Jupiter in jyoti;s chart is the 2nd and 11th lord. Jupiter also stands for

guru's, elders and preceptors too.

Karakamsa is Capricorn which has Jupiter (ak) in it. AK is retrograde. We all

talked of retrograde planet indicating a deep desire for re-birth and it also

makes the native to put in more effort to achieve this significations. The

question we came across is, for jyoti jupiter is the 2nd and 11th lord and as

discussed earlier, jupiter also stands for guru's, elders. Now extra effort

jyoti will have to make and the deep desire is in the regard of guru's, elders

or is it in the area of 2nd and 11th lord? Please help

 

12th from karakamsa is Saggitarius, which has Mars and Ketu. Mars attains

9deg04' and ketu attains 28deg31' Counting reverse ketu get;s to be stronger.

This would denote Ganesh as the Ista. Moon, Rahu and Saturn give rasi drishti

to the 12th from karakamsa.

 

Rama Priya

 

AK=Moon

Karakamsa is Aquarius

12th from karakamsa (Capricorn) has no planet in it. It's lord is satrun, and

thus the Ista would be Narayana. The rasi dristi is given by Jupiter and Sun on

the 12th from karakamsa.

 

Narahari

 

AK = Venus (Retro)

Karakamsa is Gemini.

12th from karakamsa is taurus which has 3 planets. Mars, Moon and Ketu. Mars

get;s 15deg14', moon gets 3deg28' and ketu get;s 5deg37. Counting ketu in the

reverse makes ketu the strongest. Thus my ista would be Ganesh. But jyoti

pointed out that moon though having less degrees is exalted. This again is the

confusion we have. Do we go with ketu or take into consideration moon because

of his exaltation?

 

Krishna

 

AK=Rahu

Karakamsa is Aries

12th from Aries has Sun. Which denotes Shiva.Thus the ista is Shiva

 

This entire discussion took 2 hours. We all felt this is the best way to learn.

Next meeting venue was not decided on, but the day all felt could be on a

weekend. The other venue's we had in mind is ISKCON or vidyapeet. We hope to

decide next week. never-the-less all of us are looking forward for the next

meeting.

 

We may have asked a lot of silly questions but we are eager to know the answers,

learn more and continue the discussions.

 

Thanks for the time in reading this. Sanjay guru, do you have any particular

topic you want us to discuss or do we take up a blind chart?

 

Please do advice

 

your humble sishya

 

Hari.

 

PS :- Jyoti, Rama, Krishna and Pavan... Please let know if i missed anything. Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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