Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Om Gurubhyo Namah Dear Fayyaz, > Dear Narasimhaji, > I just read your post. What i cant understand is as to > how vimshottari dasa from both Lagna & moon could > be applicable in a chart.Both may be in different > nakshatras & will reflect different Dasas-Antradasas > operating at a given time. Hence,both will give a > different picture of what is happeninig & going to > happen to a person in his life at a given time. > 2.I'll be grateful if you could clarify this. I will give the example of Indira Gandhi. Birthdata: November 19, 1917Time: 23:07:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 81 E 52' 00"Latitude: 25 N 28' 00" Her rasi chart: +--------------+|HL |GL AL |JuR |Ke Md || | | |Gk || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |As Sa || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Mo | |Ma || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ve Ra |Su Me | | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Rasi +--------------+| \ / \ Md Gk / || \ Ma / \ Ke / || \ / \ / || \ / Sa \ / || \ / \ / || x As x JuR || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 4 / AL \ || / \ / \ || x GL || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Su Me x Mo x HL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ve \ / \ || / Ra \ / \ |+--------------+ +--------------+| \ | | / || \ | GL AL | / || \ | | / || Ke \ JuR | | HL / || \ | | / || Md Gk \ | | / || \ | | / ||---------------+---------------+---------------|| | | || As Sa | | Mo || | | || | Rasi | || | | || | | || | | ||---------------+---------------+---------------|| / | | \ || / | | \ Ra || / | | \ || Ma / | | Su \ Ve || / | | \ || / | | Me \ || / | | \ |+---------------+---------------+---------------+ (1) Let us take her Vimsottari dasa from Moon. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Sat MD: 1970-11-21 (12:58:06) - 1989-11-21 (09:56:53) Antardasas in this MD: Sat: 1970-11-21 (12:58:06) - 1973-11-24 (06:44:32) Mer: 1973-11-24 (06:44:32) - 1976-08-03 (02:09:04) Ket: 1976-08-03 (02:09:04) - 1977-09-12 (18:54:32) Ven: 1977-09-12 (18:54:32) - 1980-11-12 (04:06:58) Sun: 1980-11-12 (04:06:58) - 1981-10-25 (11:03:24) Moo: 1981-10-25 (11:03:24) - 1983-05-23 (16:00:30) Mar: 1983-05-23 (16:00:30) - 1984-07-02 (17:07:02) Rah: 1984-07-02 (17:07:02) - 1987-05-08 (03:09:45) Jup: 1987-05-08 (03:09:45) - 1989-11-21 (09:56:53) In Saturn-Mercury, she imposed emergency on India and the Indian constitution was suspended. From Saturn (dasa lord), Mercury is the 3rd lord and placed in a trine. He gives boldness. From Moon (antardasas are judged from Moon), he owns the 6th house of enmities and the 9th house of dharma. Indira Gandhi was bold in dealing with enemies and in following what she considered her dharma. In Saturn-Ketu, she fell from power. Ketu is debilitated in the 6th from Moon. Thus his antardasa first made Mrs Gandhi feel bold (she lifted emergency and declared elections) and then humiliated her (debilitated malefics). Also Ketu is in the 12th from dasa lord Ketu and this too causes losses. So, during this period, Mrs. Gandhi first felt strong and later felt defeat and losses. In Saturn-Venus, she rose back again. She destabilized the Morarji Desai government and won the by-elections. Venus is yogakaraka from Moon giving Anapha yoga and his antardasas are good. Moreover, being in the 9th from AL, he is the protector of status and image. (2) Now, let us go to Lagna-Vimsottari dasa. Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna): Rah MD: 1972-04-27 (12:44:40) - 1990-04-28 (03:36:36) Antardasas in this MD: Rah: 1972-04-27 (12:44:40) - 1975-01-10 (06:51:23) Jup: 1975-01-10 (06:51:23) - 1977-06-04 (03:48:08) Sat: 1977-06-04 (03:48:08) - 1980-04-09 (04:01:17) Mer: 1980-04-09 (04:01:17) - 1982-10-31 (06:13:22) Ket: 1982-10-31 (06:13:22) - 1983-11-18 (10:33:24) Ven: 1983-11-18 (10:33:24) - 1986-11-18 (05:03:24) Sun: 1986-11-18 (05:03:24) - 1987-10-13 (10:51:28) Moo: 1987-10-13 (10:51:28) - 1989-04-09 (11:24:21) Mar: 1989-04-09 (11:24:21) - 1990-04-28 (03:36:36) In Rahu-Jupiter, she imposed emergency. Jupiter was in the 5th from Moon showing that her intellect thought what she was doing was a good thing. Jupiter in the 2nd from AL shows that her intellect thought that she was becoming popular because of her actions. In the same antardasa, she lost the elections. As per Chandra-Vimsottari, antardasa had changed to Ketu before she lost. Ketu shows initial defiance (6th from Moon) turning into a sense of loss. However, while the mind may have been disturbed, the intellect was still stead-fast until Jupiter antardasa ended. The electoral defeat did not have a devastating effect on her intellect. In the next Rahu-Saturn, her intellect worked to defame the opponents, because Saturn occupies the 10th from A6. While her mind focussed on restoring her status (Venus antardasa - 9th from AL), her intellect worked in the wicked way of Saturn and focussed on spoiling the reputation of rivals (malefic in the 10th from A6). Thus one can see that Chandra Vimsottari shows how mind works and what factors influence it, while lagna Vimsottari shows how intellect works and what factors influence it. (3) In addition, we see that Shodasottari dasa (a conditional dasa) applies as she was born in Sukla paksha with lagna in Sun's hora. Rahu is the governor of Shodasottari dasa. He is in the 6th house and shows destroying enemies and rivals as the main theme in her life. Shodasottari dasa can be used to specially throw light on these enmities and rivaries. Though this dasa also shows events from the point of view of mind, it is focussed on the enmities and rivalries, unlike Vimsottari dasa which shows all the experiences of the mind. Thus conditional dasas have a specific focus based on the chart. Shodasottari dasa (applicable if lagna in Moon's hora in Krishna paksha or in Sun's hora in Sukla paksha): Mar MD: 1969-03-21 (05:36:32) - 1981-03-21 (07:29:11) Antardasas in this MD: Mar: 1969-03-21 (05:36:32) - 1970-06-19 (00:48:13) Jup: 1970-06-19 (00:48:13) - 1971-10-25 (14:13:05) Sat: 1971-10-25 (14:13:05) - 1973-04-02 (19:15:19) Ket: 1973-04-02 (19:15:19) - 1974-10-25 (08:33:11) Moo: 1974-10-25 (08:33:11) - 1976-06-18 (13:39:29) Mer: 1976-06-18 (13:39:29) - 1978-03-21 (13:05:17) Ven: 1978-03-21 (13:05:17) - 1980-01-31 (15:55:23) Sun: 1980-01-31 (15:55:23) - 1981-03-21 (07:29:11) In Mars-Moon, she declared emergency. Moon is lagna lord in 7th. He is well-placed in the 10th from AL. He is in A3 showing bold actions. So he gives bold actions (A3), fame (10th from AL), desires, happiness and satisfaction (7th from AL). However, all these results have to be interpreted with respect to the specific focus of the dasa, viz destroying enemies and rivals. So this dasa was great for destroying enemies. She took bold actions and was seen as crushing the rivals. In the next antardasa of Mercury, she was seen to be defeated by her enemies. Mercury was in the 8th from AL, unlike Moon who was in the 10th from AL. Moreover, being in the 2nd from A6, he gives kingdom to the enemies (Mercury in the 2nd from AL gives raja yoga to the native). Thus her enemies gained. In the next antardasa of Venus, she rose again. This time, Venus in the 3rd from A6 gives the fall of enemies and Venus in the 9th from AL thoroughly protects her status and image. Thus, her enemies lost and she regained her status. Note that we are here very focussed on enmities and defeat of enemies. That is the focus of Rahu in this chart and hence the theme of Shodasottari dasa in this chart. (4) In addition, we see that Dwisaptati Sama dasa applies as lagna lord is in 7th (and 7th lord is in lagna). Dwisaptati sama dasa shows the fulfillment of desires based on the placement of Moon. Here Moon is in the 7th from house of power from lagna and in the 10th house from AL. So it throws light on the fulfillment of her political ambitions better than other dasas. Though this dasa also shows events from the point of view of mind, it is focussed on the fulfillment of desires related to power, unlike Vimsottari dasa which shows all the experiences of the mind. Thus conditional dasas have a specific focus based on the chart. Dwi-saptati sama dasa (applicable if lagna lord is in 7th or 7th lord is in lagna): Moo MD: 1974-11-22 (01:24:16) - 1983-11-22 (08:50:09) Antardasas in this MD: Moo: 1974-11-22 (01:24:16) - 1976-01-05 (14:15:24) Mar: 1976-01-05 (14:15:24) - 1977-02-18 (03:56:08) Mer: 1977-02-18 (03:56:08) - 1978-04-04 (12:56:26) Jup: 1978-04-04 (12:56:26) - 1979-05-21 (01:03:01) Ven: 1979-05-21 (01:03:01) - 1980-07-06 (08:43:20) Sat: 1980-07-06 (08:43:20) - 1981-08-22 (15:32:12) Rah: 1981-08-22 (15:32:12) - 1982-10-08 (01:45:54) Sun: 1982-10-08 (01:45:54) - 1983-11-22 (08:50:09) In Moon-Moon, she imposed emergency. Moon in A3 in the 7th house from lagna and 10th from AL in a tamasik sign made her fulfil her desire for power through forceful means (A3). Mars is in the 8th from Moon and 5th from AL continued this. Mercury in badhaka sthana from dasa lord and 8th from AL gave a fall and upset her desire for power as soon as his antardasa came. Venus in the 9th from AL is the ultimate protector of status and image and moreover he is in rajya pada (A10). As soon as his antardasa started, he brought her back to power. Summary: Chandra Vimsottari dasa shows how her mind works. Lagna Vimsottari dasa shows how her intellect works. Shodasottari dasa shows how she defeats enemies or gets defeated by them. Dwi-saptati sama dasa shows the fulfillment of her desire of power. The last two dasas are really focussed on an aspect of life. It may be worthwhile to note that Venus antardasa brought her back to power as per 3 out of these 4 dasas. Venus is in the 9th from AL and occupies A10. He is the ultimate protector of her image and grantor of material success! If you want to know how to see the special themes of various conditional dasas in a chart (if they are applicable), please get the "Udu Dasa" lecture tape of Sanjay from the east coast seminar. And, buy his book "Vimsottari dasa" once it is released (which should be soon). > 3.And where can we get the tapes you mentioned ? Please contact Laksmi (Lynn Kary) or Brendan Feeley at laksmi_k (AT) neteze (DOT) comBpfeeley (AT) aol (DOT) com May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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