RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional char ts, a query for Gurus.

[Guest guest]

Dear Shamira,

 

My Guru used to say if the time taken is when the neck of the baby comes out

then the chart will be 100% correct. But he did not give me a shloka or name

of book where he got this information from. I thought I should share this

with you all.

 

Regards,

Sadashiv.

 

 

>

> Shamira [sMTP:shamira]

> Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:36 PM

>

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional

> charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Hello and warm regards to All,

>

> Might I ask you a very basic question?

>

> Is the time of birth considered to be from the first cry of the child?

>

> Thankyou for any response!!

>

> Shamira

> M

>

> -

> Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel

>

> <>

> Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:48 AM

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Dear Sanjay Rath Guruji,

> Thank you for the detailed explainations given.As I explained I am

> only a beginner and the questions were posed in order to clarify some

> basic concepts of Horary astrology with the help of learned Gurus such as

> your self for the benefit of Astrologer fraternity.

>

> I never meant that Divisional Chart should not be reffered to at

> all. As you pointed out very correctly in case of twins they are the only

> means of arriving at correct predictions.What I was highlight through my

> queries was that many astrologers get too involved in D-Charts and this

> may lead to trying to reach prediction through much more complicated route

> instead of the basic natal and navamsha Charts.

>

> I was also trying to draw atention to the fact(by inferrence) that

> as we go in to smaller and smaler division of a rasi the relevant times

> goes on becoming narrower upto about 2 minutes. Nothing wrong with

> this.But the accuracy of birthtime in these days of ladies delievering in

> Nursing homes gets more difficult to trust as ther are too many variables

> in recording of birth time. The Nurse/ Doctor to whom request for

> recording time might have been made might be too busy to record the

> correct time. He may not know whether time of egress of the baby or his

> first cry is to be considered as birth time and last but not the least his

> watch may not be showing correct time.In such cases would it not be likely

> that some astrologers give wrong readings of Curses giving problems from

> the D-60 charts? Would such predictions not harm cause of astrology, to

> further which respectable Gurus like are giving their valuable time and

> efforts selflessly?&nbs! p;

>

> About the Vishottari Dasha "Laghu Parashari" states in the initial

> stanza 3 or 4(I shall quote exact Stanza tomorrow if I can get the hang of

> Devnagari Typing) that he is is explaining about Vinshottari Dasha and

> that Ashtottari is not to be considered. I read about applicability of

> Vinshottary in Kaliyuga in one of the Granthas and as soon I locate the

> quotation , I shall write to you.

>

> I am really happy that you agree that reading of D Chart is to be

> given only 1/3rd weightage.

>

> I have not said that Intensity of yogas are based exclusively on

> Graha and Bhava Balas, probably I was not able to convey my meaning

> properly.I was only trying to emphasise the point that Graha and Bhava

> Balas have to be considered together with the Yogas to arrive at correct

> predictions.In the same para I said "after assessing strengths of Grahas,

> Bhavas and Yogas; should not an astrologer revert to the Natal Chart to

> arrive at predictions or assessment of a Chart on the bassis of Aspects

> of planets their house lordships positions and position of Gochar Planets

> and Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that Vinshottary dasha be

> reffered in Kaliyuga)?"

>

> About strength of a planet leading to strength of yoga, what I meant

> was that Guru for example in Capricorn in Navamsha(Graha Bhava Balas

> ,after all, are arrived at only after considering the Divisional Charts)

> posited in House of Mercury(Mithuna or Kanya) wirh Moon which is also in

> Scorpio in Navamsha is not likely to give the same results of Gajakesari

> Yoga in say Sagggitarius Ascendant Chart as Guru in Cancer in both Natal

> and Navamsha Chart with Taurus Navamsha Moon in Scorpio Ascendant.The type

> of rajayoga that is likely could be assessed from the Bhava in which it

> happens and strength of the bhava.

>

> Respected Guruji, please do not think that I dispute your

> statements.I know what you are stating is correct.I was merely trying to

> point out the pitfalls that the uninitiated could encounter if they do not

> pay attention to basic tenets of astrology of Sages.I was also trying to

> point out in my own not so efficient way that the Yogas given in the texts

> have a certain bassis in the fundamental principles of astrology and

> should not be taken merely literaly. An astrologer should take into

> consideration the basic tenets while trying to avoid giving out

> predictions based only on Yogas.

>

> If you feel I have transgressed my limits as a seeker of knowledge,

> I am certain you will pardon me with all the magnaminity that you have at

> your command.

>

> With deep respect,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> -

> Sanjay Rath <srath

>

> <>

> Monday, October 14, 2002 10:28 PM

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

>

>

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Sharma.

> Comments and views below

> Best Regards,

> Sanjay Rath

>

> --------

> ------------------------------

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> India

> Tel: +91-11-2713201 Web: <http://srath.com>

> <http://.org>

>

> --------

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>

> Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]

> Monday, October 14, 2002 1:45 AM

> Srijagannath

> Cc: vedic astrology

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

>

> Dear Sanjay Rathji,NarsimhaPVR Rao and other Gurus,

>

> I am a member of both lists and have added quite a lot to my

> meagre knowledge of Astrology through them.I have a query about

> considering taking into consideration aspects and position of Gochar

> planets and also of planets posited in different Divisional Charts, on the

> bassi of planets' position in the respective divisional Chart itself.I

> trust , if my query is found amateurish by the Gurus; I would be pardoned

> as I am indeed an amateur.

>

> It is said by ancient sages that predictions are to be done

> on the bassis of strengths of Graha and Bhava Balas.The intensity of any

> Yoga is also to be based on these.The Graha and Bhava Balas are assessed

> on the bassis of Shadvarga Bala, Saptvargaj Bala or Shodash Varga Bala.If

> this is so then , after assessing strengths of Grahas, Bhavas and Yogas;

> should not an astrologer revert to the Natal Chart to arrive at

> predictions or assessment of a Chart on the bassis of Aspects of planets

> their house lordships positions and position of Gochar Planets and

> Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that Vinshottary dasha be

> reffered in Kaliyuga)?

> [s.Rath:] Yes the chart should be assessed for the Graha &

> Bhava Bala. Please explain where the literature explain that the intensity

> of a yoga is based on the Graha or Bhava Bala. A graha maybe strong and

> involved in more than ! one yoga. How will you say as to how much strength

> will be used for which yoga. For example I have Guru in Hamsa Yoga,

> Kalpadruma Yoga, Dharma karmadhipati Yoga, Sakata Yoga to break into

> Mukuta and so many others. How can the strength of the guru tell me as to

> which of the Yoga will be strong and when they will fructify? I rarely

> have the time to study the divisions and when there is a need, i do study

> them in detail. The rasi chart itself has so much to tell. But why are th

> d-charts not to be studied. Where did you read this? Aspect of planets is

> just a tiny portion of BPHS - not even a full chapter. Instead aspect of

> Rasi is a full independant chapter. See what Parasara is calling

> important. Of course Vimsottari dasa is crucial, Do read my latest book

> 'Vimsottari & Udu dasas' where I have explained the vital importance and

> supremacy of the Vimsottari dasa among the udu dasa's. Everyone should

> learn this. But where do the texts say that the other dasa should! not be

> rferred in Kaliyuga and when Parasara & Jaimini say something, it is the

> real truth for us. Don't go by hearsay. Just read Parasara for yourself

> and see what He says as being important.

>

> My second question is : Divisional charts indicate only the

> section or division of various rasis within the Rasi in which a planet is

> placed.It is therefore quite possible that due to Anshas of Ascendant that

> the Ascendant in a Divisional chart could, if reffered to separately make

> a Yogakaraka in Natal Chart a Trishadaypati in Divisional Chart and if

> treated as such, for the purposes of prediction ;could give wrong reading.

> [s.Rath:] No it will not give a wrong reading. Every planet

> is not a rajyoga for every activity. Even during the dasa of a rajyoga

> planet, there are many events which cause sorrow and many activities which

> are negative. This is better seen from the D-chart. Independant reading od

> a D-chart is only one-third of the matter. First read the division in the

> Rasi chart, then the connection and finally the independant reading.

>

> My Third question is : If the Ascendant in a Divisional

> chart is aspected, in that Divisional Chart; by 5 or more planets then by

> the system of predicting from divisional charts it could give a powerful

> Rajayoga whereas in the Natal Chart there could be a powerful Rekayoga.

> [s.Rath:] That is why I said one-third..and secondly, you

> should realise that the Rajyoga is expected only in one aspect of life

> when it occurs in a D-chart. Again, real Rajyoga occus with the GL & HL or

> the involvement of the char and other karakas. There are too many factors.

> We shall deal with them when we teach Rajyoga.

>

> My Fourth question is: Many a times I see that aspects in

> Divisional Chart are quoted to explain some happening whereas with a

> little more application of mind the event is reflected in the Natal Chart

> if Graha and Bhava Bala are considered. Would this system of considering

> aspects or Gochar movement in Divisional Charts not lead to lessening

> power of analysis of an astrologer and lead to finding a suitable

> divisional Chart to suit known events?

> [s.Rath:] There was achart of two twins born 2 minutes apart

> having almost all similar charts excepting the D-60 and above. One of

> them died. The lady is still in GJ List these days. How do you explain

> this with the Rasi chart alone? Look at the other options carefully.

>

> My final question is: In Hora Chart of ancient times where

> Hora of only Sun and Moon were considered, all planets would be Dwidwadash

> from each other and as such every chart would be ,to say the least, most

> unfortunate or Most fortunate depending on whether the Astrologer is an

> optimist or a pessimist.Surely this just is not possible.

> [s.Rath:] Yes, Kalyan Verma of Saravali gives other options.

> Read my translation of the Jaimini sutras for about 3 options at least.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ramapriya,

My Guru did mention Caesarean, but he had no answer for the time of birth in

this situation.

 

Regards,

Sada.

 

>

> Ramapriya D [sMTP:hubli]

> Friday, October 18, 2002 11:33 AM

>

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional

> charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> ok then, Shamira, ask him what if the baby is born a Caesarean (like me,

> my parents, my bro, wife, son, sis-in-law and niece!!!)?? If you've seen a

> Caesarean section, you'll know just exactly when the neck comes out LOL

>

> Ramapriya

>

>

> -

> Shamira <shamira

>

> <>

> Friday, October 18, 2002 7:25 PM

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Thankyou Sada - I appreciate your kind reply!!

> Warm Regards, Shamira

> M

>

> -

> Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar

> ''

> <''>

> Friday, October 18, 2002 11:21 PM

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Dear Shamira,

>

> My Guru used to say if the time taken is when the neck of

> the baby comes out

> then the chart will be 100% correct. But he did not give me

> a shloka or name

> of book where he got this information from. I thought I

> should share this

> with you all.

>

> Regards,

> Sadashiv.

>

>

> >

> > Shamira [sMTP:shamira]

> > Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:36 PM

> >

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering

> aspects in divisional

> > charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> > Hello and warm regards to All,

> >

> > Might I ask you a very basic question?

> >

> > Is the time of birth considered to be from the first cry

> of the child?

> >

> > Thankyou for any response!!

> >

> > Shamira

> > M

> >

> > -

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma

> <boxdel

> >

> > <>

> > Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:48 AM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering

> aspects in

> > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> > Dear Sanjay Rath Guruji,

> > Thank you for the detailed explainations given.As I

> explained I am

> > only a beginner and the questions were posed in order to

> clarify some

> > basic concepts of Horary astrology with the help of

> learned Gurus such as

> > your self for the benefit of Astrologer fraternity.

> >

> > I never meant that Divisional Chart should not be

> reffered to at

> > all. As you pointed out very correctly in case of twins

> they are the only

> > means of arriving at correct predictions.What I was

> highlight through my

> > queries was that many astrologers get too involved in

> D-Charts and this

> > may lead to trying to reach prediction through much more

> complicated route

> > instead of the basic natal and navamsha Charts.

> >

> > I was also trying to draw atention to the fact(by

> inferrence) that

> > as we go in to smaller and smaler division of a rasi the

> relevant times

> > goes on becoming narrower upto about 2 minutes. Nothing

> wrong with

> > this.But the accuracy of birthtime in these days of ladies

> delievering in

> > Nursing homes gets more difficult to trust as ther are too

> many variables

> > in recording of birth time. The Nurse/ Doctor to whom

> request for

> > recording time might have been made might be too busy to

> record the

> > correct time. He may not know whether time of egress of

> the baby or his

> > first cry is to be considered as birth time and last but

> not the least his

> > watch may not be showing correct time.In such cases would

> it not be likely

> > that some astrologers give wrong readings of Curses giving

> problems from

> > the D-60 charts? Would such predictions not harm cause of

> astrology, to

> > further which respectable Gurus like are giving their

> valuable time and

> > efforts selflessly?&nbs! p;

> >

> > About the Vishottari Dasha "Laghu Parashari" states

> in the initial

> > stanza 3 or 4(I shall quote exact Stanza tomorrow if I can

> get the hang of

> > Devnagari Typing) that he is is explaining about

> Vinshottari Dasha and

> > that Ashtottari is not to be considered. I read about

> applicability of

> > Vinshottary in Kaliyuga in one of the Granthas and as soon

> I locate the

> > quotation , I shall write to you.

> >

> > I am really happy that you agree that reading of D

> Chart is to be

> > given only 1/3rd weightage.

> >

> > I have not said that Intensity of yogas are based

> exclusively on

> > Graha and Bhava Balas, probably I was not able to convey

> my meaning

> > properly.I was only trying to emphasise the point that

> Graha and Bhava

> > Balas have to be considered together with the Yogas to

> arrive at correct

> > predictions.In the same para I said "after assessing

> strengths of Grahas,

> > Bhavas and Yogas; should not an astrologer revert to the

> Natal Chart to

> > arrive at predictions or assessment of a Chart on the

> bassis of Aspects

> > of planets their house lordships positions and position of

> Gochar Planets

> > and Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that

> Vinshottary dasha be

> > reffered in Kaliyuga)?"

> >

> > About strength of a planet leading to strength of

> yoga, what I meant

> > was that Guru for example in Capricorn in Navamsha(Graha

> Bhava Balas

> > ,after all, are arrived at only after considering the

> Divisional Charts)

> > posited in House of Mercury(Mithuna or Kanya) wirh Moon

> which is also in

> > Scorpio in Navamsha is not likely to give the same results

> of Gajakesari

> > Yoga in say Sagggitarius Ascendant Chart as Guru in Cancer

> in both Natal

> > and Navamsha Chart with Taurus Navamsha Moon in Scorpio

> Ascendant.The type

> > of rajayoga that is likely could be assessed from the

> Bhava in which it

> > happens and strength of the bhava.

> >

> > Respected Guruji, please do not think that I dispute

> your

> > statements.I know what you are stating is correct.I was

> merely trying to

> > point out the pitfalls that the uninitiated could

> encounter if they do not

> > pay attention to basic tenets of astrology of Sages.I was

> also trying to

> > point out in my own not so efficient way that the Yogas

> given in the texts

> > have a certain bassis in the fundamental principles of

> astrology and

> > should not be taken merely literaly. An astrologer should

> take into

> > consideration the basic tenets while trying to avoid

> giving out

> > predictions based only on Yogas.

> >

> > If you feel I have transgressed my limits as a

> seeker of knowledge,

> > I am certain you will pardon me with all the magnaminity

> that you have at

> > your command.

> >

> > With deep respect,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Sanjay Rath <srath

> >

> > <>

> > Monday, October 14, 2002 10:28 PM

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Considering aspects in

> > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> > Dear Sharma.

> > Comments and views below

> > Best Regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> >

> --------

> > ------------------------------

> > 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Ph-1, New

> Delhi 110091,

> > India

> > Tel: +91-11-2713201 Web: < <http://srath.com>>

> > < <http://.org>>

> >

> >

> --------

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Sharma

> [boxdel]

> > Monday, October 14, 2002 1:45 AM

> > Srijagannath

> > Cc: vedic astrology

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering

> aspects in

> > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay Rathji,NarsimhaPVR Rao and other

> Gurus,

> >

> > I am a member of both lists and have added

> quite a lot to my

> > meagre knowledge of Astrology through them.I have a query

> about

> > considering taking into consideration aspects and position

> of Gochar

> > planets and also of planets posited in different

> Divisional Charts, on the

> > bassi of planets' position in the respective divisional

> Chart itself.I

> > trust , if my query is found amateurish by the Gurus; I

> would be pardoned

> > as I am indeed an amateur.

> >

> > It is said by ancient sages that predictions

> are to be done

> > on the bassis of strengths of Graha and Bhava Balas.The

> intensity of any

> > Yoga is also to be based on these.The Graha and Bhava

> Balas are assessed

> > on the bassis of Shadvarga Bala, Saptvargaj Bala or

> Shodash Varga Bala.If

> > this is so then , after assessing strengths of Grahas,

> Bhavas and Yogas;

> > should not an astrologer revert to the Natal Chart to

> arrive at

> > predictions or assessment of a Chart on the bassis of

> Aspects of planets

> > their house lordships positions and position of Gochar

> Planets and

> > Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that Vinshottary

> dasha be

> > reffered in Kaliyuga)?

> > [s.Rath:] Yes the chart should be assessed for

> the Graha &

> > Bhava Bala. Please explain where the literature explain

> that the intensity

> > of a yoga is based on the Graha or Bhava Bala. A graha

> maybe strong and

> > involved in more than ! one yoga. How will you say as to

> how much strength

> > will be used for which yoga. For example I have Guru in

> Hamsa Yoga,

> > Kalpadruma Yoga, Dharma karmadhipati Yoga, Sakata Yoga to

> break into

> > Mukuta and so many others. How can the strength of the

> guru tell me as to

> > which of the Yoga will be strong and when they will

> fructify? I rarely

> > have the time to study the divisions and when there is a

> need, i do study

> > them in detail. The rasi chart itself has so much to tell.

> But why are th

> > d-charts not to be studied. Where did you read this?

> Aspect of planets is

> > just a tiny portion of BPHS - not even a full chapter.

> Instead aspect of

> > Rasi is a full independant chapter. See what Parasara is

> calling

> > important. Of course Vimsottari dasa is crucial, Do read

> my latest book

> > 'Vimsottari & Udu dasas' where I have explained the vital

> importance and

> > supremacy of the Vimsottari dasa among the udu dasa's.

> Everyone should

> > learn this. But where do the texts say that the other dasa

> should! not be

> > rferred in Kaliyuga and when Parasara & Jaimini say

> something, it is the

> > real truth for us. Don't go by hearsay. Just read Parasara

> for yourself

> > and see what He says as being important.

> >

> > My second question is : Divisional charts

> indicate only the

> > section or division of various rasis within the Rasi in

> which a planet is

> > placed.It is therefore quite possible that due to Anshas

> of Ascendant that

> > the Ascendant in a Divisional chart could, if reffered to

> separately make

> > a Yogakaraka in Natal Chart a Trishadaypati in Divisional

> Chart and if

> > treated as such, for the purposes of prediction ;could

> give wrong reading.

> > [s.Rath:] No it will not give a wrong reading.

> Every planet

> > is not a rajyoga for every activity. Even during the dasa

> of a rajyoga

> > planet, there are many events which cause sorrow and many

> activities which

> > are negative. This is better seen from the D-chart.

> Independant reading od

> > a D-chart is only one-third of the matter. First read the

> division in the

> > Rasi chart, then the connection and finally the

> independant reading.

> >

> > My Third question is : If the Ascendant in a

> Divisional

> > chart is aspected, in that Divisional Chart; by 5 or more

> planets then by

> > the system of predicting from divisional charts it could

> give a powerful

> > Rajayoga whereas in the Natal Chart there could be a

> powerful Rekayoga.

> > [s.Rath:] That is why I said one-third..and

> secondly, you

> > should realise that the Rajyoga is expected only in one

> aspect of life

> > when it occurs in a D-chart. Again, real Rajyoga occus

> with the GL & HL or

> > the involvement of the char and other karakas. There are

> too many factors.

> > We shall deal with them when we teach Rajyoga.

> >

> > My Fourth question is: Many a times I see that

> aspects in

> > Divisional Chart are quoted to explain some happening

> whereas with a

> > little more application of mind the event is reflected in

> the Natal Chart

> > if Graha and Bhava Bala are considered. Would this system

> of considering

> > aspects or Gochar movement in Divisional Charts not lead

> to lessening

> > power of analysis of an astrologer and lead to finding a

> suitable

> > divisional Chart to suit known events?

> > [s.Rath:] There was achart of two twins born 2

> minutes apart

> > having almost all similar charts excepting the D-60 and

> above. One of

> > them died. The lady is still in GJ List these days. How do

> you explain

> > this with the Rasi chart alone? Look at the other options

> carefully.

> >

> > My final question is: In Hora Chart of ancient

> times where

> > Hora of only Sun and Moon were considered, all planets

> would be Dwidwadash

> > from each other and as such every chart would be ,to say

> the least, most

> > unfortunate or Most fortunate depending on whether the

> Astrologer is an

> > optimist or a pessimist.Surely this just is not possible.

> > [s.Rath:] Yes, Kalyan Verma of Saravali gives

> other options.

> > Read my translation of the Jaimini sutras for about 3

> options at least.

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Ramapriya,

I agree with you.

 

Thanks,

Sada.

 

>

> Ramapriya D [sMTP:hubli]

> Friday, October 18, 2002 12:35 PM

>

> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in divisional

> charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Dear Sada,

> Cutting of the umbilical cord not merely solves these probs, but is also

> logically pretty watertight. My view anyway.

> Warm regards,

> Ramapriya

> hubli

>

>

> -

> Sada Dharwarkar <sada.dharwarkar

> ''

> <''>

> Friday, October 18, 2002 9:40 PM

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

>

> Dear Ramapriya,

> My Guru did mention Caesarean, but he had no answer for the time of

> birth in

> this situation.

>

> Regards,

> Sada.

>

> >

> > Ramapriya D [sMTP:hubli]

> > Friday, October 18, 2002 11:33 AM

> >

> <>

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> divisional

> > charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> > ok then, Shamira, ask him what if the baby is born a Caesarean

> (like me,

> > my parents, my bro, wife, son, sis-in-law and niece!!!)?? If

> you've seen a

> > Caesarean section, you'll know just exactly when the neck comes

> out LOL

> >

> > Ramapriya

> >

> >

> > -

> > Shamira <shamira

> >

> > <>

> > Friday, October 18, 2002 7:25 PM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering aspects in

> > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> > Thankyou Sada - I appreciate your kind reply!!

> > Warm Regards, Shamira

> > M

> >

> > -

> > Sada Dharwarkar

> <sada.dharwarkar

> > ''

> > <''>

> > Friday, October 18, 2002 11:21 PM

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering

> aspects in

> > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> >

> > Dear Shamira,

> >

> > My Guru used to say if the time taken is when the neck

> of

> > the baby comes out

> > then the chart will be 100% correct. But he did not

> give me

> > a shloka or name

> > of book where he got this information from. I thought

> I

> > should share this

> > with you all.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sadashiv.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Shamira [sMTP:shamira]

> > > Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:36 PM

> > >

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Considering

> > aspects in divisional

> > > charts, a query for Gurus.

> > >

> > > Hello and warm regards to All,

> > >

> > > Might I ask you a very basic question?

> > >

> > > Is the time of birth considered to be from the first

> cry

> > of the child?

> > >

> > > Thankyou for any response!!

> > >

> > > Shamira

> > > M

> > >

> > > -

> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma

> > <boxdel

> > >

> > > <>

> > > Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:48 AM

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Considering

> > aspects in

> > > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay Rath Guruji,

> > > Thank you for the detailed explainations

> given.As I

> > explained I am

> > > only a beginner and the questions were posed in

> order to

> > clarify some

> > > basic concepts of Horary astrology with the help of

> > learned Gurus such as

> > > your self for the benefit of Astrologer fraternity.

> > >

> > > I never meant that Divisional Chart should not

> be

> > reffered to at

> > > all. As you pointed out very correctly in case of

> twins

> > they are the only

> > > means of arriving at correct predictions.What I was

> > highlight through my

> > > queries was that many astrologers get too involved

> in

> > D-Charts and this

> > > may lead to trying to reach prediction through much

> more

> > complicated route

> > > instead of the basic natal and navamsha Charts.

> > >

> > > I was also trying to draw atention to the

> fact(by

> > inferrence) that

> > > as we go in to smaller and smaler division of a rasi

> the

> > relevant times

> > > goes on becoming narrower upto about 2 minutes.

> Nothing

> > wrong with

> > > this.But the accuracy of birthtime in these days of

> ladies

> > delievering in

> > > Nursing homes gets more difficult to trust as ther

> are too

> > many variables

> > > in recording of birth time. The Nurse/ Doctor to

> whom

> > request for

> > > recording time might have been made might be too

> busy to

> > record the

> > > correct time. He may not know whether time of egress

> of

> > the baby or his

> > > first cry is to be considered as birth time and last

> but

> > not the least his

> > > watch may not be showing correct time.In such cases

> would

> > it not be likely

> > > that some astrologers give wrong readings of Curses

> giving

> > problems from

> > > the D-60 charts? Would such predictions not harm

> cause of

> > astrology, to

> > > further which respectable Gurus like are giving

> their

> > valuable time and

> > > efforts selflessly?&nbs! p;

> > >

> > > About the Vishottari Dasha "Laghu Parashari"

> states

> > in the initial

> > > stanza 3 or 4(I shall quote exact Stanza tomorrow if

> I can

> > get the hang of

> > > Devnagari Typing) that he is is explaining about

> > Vinshottari Dasha and

> > > that Ashtottari is not to be considered. I read

> about

> > applicability of

> > > Vinshottary in Kaliyuga in one of the Granthas and

> as soon

> > I locate the

> > > quotation , I shall write to you.

> > >

> > > I am really happy that you agree that reading

> of D

> > Chart is to be

> > > given only 1/3rd weightage.

> > >

> > > I have not said that Intensity of yogas are

> based

> > exclusively on

> > > Graha and Bhava Balas, probably I was not able to

> convey

> > my meaning

> > > properly.I was only trying to emphasise the point

> that

> > Graha and Bhava

> > > Balas have to be considered together with the Yogas

> to

> > arrive at correct

> > > predictions.In the same para I said "after assessing

> > strengths of Grahas,

> > > Bhavas and Yogas; should not an astrologer revert to

> the

> > Natal Chart to

> > > arrive at predictions or assessment of a Chart on

> the

> > bassis of Aspects

> > > of planets their house lordships positions and

> position of

> > Gochar Planets

> > > and Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that

> > Vinshottary dasha be

> > > reffered in Kaliyuga)?"

> > >

> > > About strength of a planet leading to strength

> of

> > yoga, what I meant

> > > was that Guru for example in Capricorn in

> Navamsha(Graha

> > Bhava Balas

> > > ,after all, are arrived at only after considering

> the

> > Divisional Charts)

> > > posited in House of Mercury(Mithuna or Kanya) wirh

> Moon

> > which is also in

> > > Scorpio in Navamsha is not likely to give the same

> results

> > of Gajakesari

> > > Yoga in say Sagggitarius Ascendant Chart as Guru in

> Cancer

> > in both Natal

> > > and Navamsha Chart with Taurus Navamsha Moon in

> Scorpio

> > Ascendant.The type

> > > of rajayoga that is likely could be assessed from

> the

> > Bhava in which it

> > > happens and strength of the bhava.

> > >

> > > Respected Guruji, please do not think that I

> dispute

> > your

> > > statements.I know what you are stating is correct.I

> was

> > merely trying to

> > > point out the pitfalls that the uninitiated could

> > encounter if they do not

> > > pay attention to basic tenets of astrology of

> Sages.I was

> > also trying to

> > > point out in my own not so efficient way that the

> Yogas

> > given in the texts

> > > have a certain bassis in the fundamental principles

> of

> > astrology and

> > > should not be taken merely literaly. An astrologer

> should

> > take into

> > > consideration the basic tenets while trying to avoid

> > giving out

> > > predictions based only on Yogas.

> > >

> > > If you feel I have transgressed my limits as a

> > seeker of knowledge,

> > > I am certain you will pardon me with all the

> magnaminity

> > that you have at

> > > your command.

> > >

> > > With deep respect,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Sanjay Rath

> <srath

> > >

> > > <>

> > > Monday, October 14, 2002 10:28 PM

> > > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

> > Considering aspects in

> > > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > Dear Sharma.

> > > Comments and views below

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

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> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma

> > [boxdel]

> > > Monday, October 14, 2002 1:45 AM

> > > Srijagannath

> > > Cc: vedic astrology

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

> Considering

> > aspects in

> > > divisional charts, a query for Gurus.

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay Rathji,NarsimhaPVR Rao and

> other

> > Gurus,

> > >

> > > I am a member of both lists and have

> added

> > quite a lot to my

> > > meagre knowledge of Astrology through them.I have a

> query

> > about

> > > considering taking into consideration aspects and

> position

> > of Gochar

> > > planets and also of planets posited in different

> > Divisional Charts, on the

> > > bassi of planets' position in the respective

> divisional

> > Chart itself.I

> > > trust , if my query is found amateurish by the

> Gurus; I

> > would be pardoned

> > > as I am indeed an amateur.

> > >

> > > It is said by ancient sages that

> predictions

> > are to be done

> > > on the bassis of strengths of Graha and Bhava

> Balas.The

> > intensity of any

> > > Yoga is also to be based on these.The Graha and

> Bhava

> > Balas are assessed

> > > on the bassis of Shadvarga Bala, Saptvargaj Bala or

> > Shodash Varga Bala.If

> > > this is so then , after assessing strengths of

> Grahas,

> > Bhavas and Yogas;

> > > should not an astrologer revert to the Natal Chart

> to

> > arrive at

> > > predictions or assessment of a Chart on the bassis

> of

> > Aspects of planets

> > > their house lordships positions and position of

> Gochar

> > Planets and

> > > Vinshottary Dashas.( Many texts recommend that

> Vinshottary

> > dasha be

> > > reffered in Kaliyuga)?

> > > [s.Rath:] Yes the chart should be

> assessed for

> > the Graha &

> > > Bhava Bala. Please explain where the literature

> explain

> > that the intensity

> > > of a yoga is based on the Graha or Bhava Bala. A

> graha

> > maybe strong and

> > > involved in more than ! one yoga. How will you say

> as to

> > how much strength

> > > will be used for which yoga. For example I have Guru

> in

> > Hamsa Yoga,

> > > Kalpadruma Yoga, Dharma karmadhipati Yoga, Sakata

> Yoga to

> > break into

> > > Mukuta and so many others. How can the strength of

> the

> > guru tell me as to

> > > which of the Yoga will be strong and when they will

> > fructify? I rarely

> > > have the time to study the divisions and when there

> is a

> > need, i do study

> > > them in detail. The rasi chart itself has so much to

> tell.

> > But why are th

> > > d-charts not to be studied. Where did you read this?

> > Aspect of planets is

> > > just a tiny portion of BPHS - not even a full

> chapter.

> > Instead aspect of

> > > Rasi is a full independant chapter. See what

> Parasara is

> > calling

> > > important. Of course Vimsottari dasa is crucial, Do

> read

> > my latest book

> > > 'Vimsottari & Udu dasas' where I have explained the

> vital

> > importance and

> > > supremacy of the Vimsottari dasa among the udu

> dasa's.

> > Everyone should

> > > learn this. But where do the texts say that the

> other dasa

> > should! not be

> > > rferred in Kaliyuga and when Parasara & Jaimini say

> > something, it is the

> > > real truth for us. Don't go by hearsay. Just read

> Parasara

> > for yourself

> > > and see what He says as being important.

> > >

> > > My second question is : Divisional

> charts

> > indicate only the

> > > section or division of various rasis within the Rasi

> in

> > which a planet is

> > > placed.It is therefore quite possible that due to

> Anshas

> > of Ascendant that

> > > the Ascendant in a Divisional chart could, if

> reffered to

> > separately make

> > > a Yogakaraka in Natal Chart a Trishadaypati in

> Divisional

> > Chart and if

> > > treated as such, for the purposes of prediction

> ;could

> > give wrong reading.

> > > [s.Rath:] No it will not give a wrong

> reading.

> > Every planet

> > > is not a rajyoga for every activity. Even during the

> dasa

> > of a rajyoga

> > > planet, there are many events which cause sorrow and

> many

> > activities which

> > > are negative. This is better seen from the D-chart.

> > Independant reading od

> > > a D-chart is only one-third of the matter. First

> read the

> > division in the

> > > Rasi chart, then the connection and finally the

> > independant reading.

> > >

> > > My Third question is : If the Ascendant

> in a

> > Divisional

> > > chart is aspected, in that Divisional Chart; by 5 or

> more

> > planets then by

> > > the system of predicting from divisional charts it

> could

> > give a powerful

> > > Rajayoga whereas in the Natal Chart there could be a

> > powerful Rekayoga.

> > > [s.Rath:] That is why I said

> one-third..and

> > secondly, you

> > > should realise that the Rajyoga is expected only in

> one

> > aspect of life

> > > when it occurs in a D-chart. Again, real Rajyoga

> occus

> > with the GL & HL or

> > > the involvement of the char and other karakas. There

> are

> > too many factors.

> > > We shall deal with them when we teach Rajyoga.

> > >

> > > My Fourth question is: Many a times I

> see that

> > aspects in

> > > Divisional Chart are quoted to explain some

> happening

> > whereas with a

> > > little more application of mind the event is

> reflected in

> > the Natal Chart

> > > if Graha and Bhava Bala are considered. Would this

> system

> > of considering

> > > aspects or Gochar movement in Divisional Charts not

> lead

> > to lessening

> > > power of analysis of an astrologer and lead to

> finding a

> > suitable

> > > divisional Chart to suit known events?

> > > [s.Rath:] There was achart of two twins

> born 2

> > minutes apart

> > > having almost all similar charts excepting the D-60

> and

> > above. One of

> > > them died. The lady is still in GJ List these days.

> How do

> > you explain

> > > this with the Rasi chart alone? Look at the other

> options

> > carefully.

> > >

> > > My final question is: In Hora Chart of

> ancient

> > times where

> > > Hora of only Sun and Moon were considered, all

> planets

> > would be Dwidwadash

> > > from each other and as such every chart would be ,to

> say

> > the least, most

> > > unfortunate or Most fortunate depending on whether

> the

> > Astrologer is an

> > > optimist or a pessimist.Surely this just is not

> possible.

> > > [s.Rath:] Yes, Kalyan Verma of Saravali

> gives

> > other options.

> > > Read my translation of the Jaimini sutras for about

> 3

> > options at least.

> > >

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