Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas, I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and anger. lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h | prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)|| 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king. Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman. Thank you, Warm Regards, S. Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 || Jaya Jagannatha || Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran, Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know many such sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense! I also read this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me into thinking. Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the lord behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the interaction of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the same principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of Sun in the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra Viz., 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun placed in the trine. 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine. The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter and it is affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun and Jup is pretty healthy. However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the relationship which I defined above. However, if you take the natural zodiac, the natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th lord, or the badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural zodiac. So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The placement of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to that house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native shall have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of the karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness would have been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between the Lagna and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the badhakesh is countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness. If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it would be really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader. Pranaam Sarajit Poddar sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran [sprabhakaran] 01 January 2003 05:22 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas, I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and anger. lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h | prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)|| 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king. Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman. Thank you, Warm Regards, S. Prabhakaran [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2003 Report Share Posted January 2, 2003 Dear Gurujis and Sarajit, Chandrashekhar, and Sanjay Prabhakaran, Thank you Sanjay for raising this question. Sarajit and Chandrashekar thank you for your explanations of how one can develop logical steps in interpreting (Looking at it from Karaka, Natural Zodiac, etc) This is what I thought of: In the Natural Zodiac Mars rules over first house and eigth house. Mars in 5th house as the Eigth lord in 5th house can disturb progenic happiness. I am interested in this as I have LL (Jupiter LL and 4L) in 5H (Aries) with Venus. I have a daughter, 4yrs old and worry sometimes of how much to interpret. Further Venus in my case is 6L and 11L although a Natural benefic and my LL (Jupiter) is in Gandanta position. I have Kalasarpa Yoga (KSY) and would appreciate if Gurujis would address what remedies I should consider as am concerned that after the effects of KSY, other yogas may manifest. I am concerned of Gandanta position of Jupiter, LL and prevention of any harm to my daughter [Jupiter (karaka for children) and LL in 5H with Venus -functional malefic]. Any recommendations/suggestions would be appreciate very much. Jupiter is also 4L and has already manifested its association with 6L as chronic illness in my mother (kidney failure on dialysis, In addition Matrukaraka Moon is also in 6H - BPHS Chap 17;Verses 3-5. My birth details: DOB: March 19, 1964 TOB: 1:20:21 AM rectified (from 1:15 AM) Time zone: +3 Hrs from GMT Place of Birth: Long 34 E 45; Lat 0 S 06 Lagna 12 Sg 29. Best Wishes. Ashwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2003 Report Share Posted January 3, 2003 Jaya color:navy"> Jagannath, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">These are there in COVA so no way……. I have not tried them…..lol. Now I see that you have slightly modified the concept. Can you tell me why you did that Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family: Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J color:navy">? I like the way you have generalized them. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">To illustrate this principle in COVA, ch6, page 209, Gurudev says, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">While the significations of the houses indicated by counting from Sixth house to its lord are damaged for the enemy and promoted for the native, the reverse is true for the houses indicated by counting from the sixth lord to the sixth house. For example if the 6th lord is in the 2nd house, it is in the ninth sign from the 6th house and the fortune signified by the ninth house is destroyed for the enemy an promoted for the native. However, counting from the 6th lord to 6th house, we have five signs showing that the enemy is helped by his children while the native is himself troubled by the Children. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> So the generic principle here is: Arial">Because the 6th is the house of enemies, the concerned party in the above example are the enemies. Now we see how they gain and how they lose. The house obtained from counting from the house to the lord, will show the signification which will be destroyed for the persons under consideration, namely the enemies. These indications are fruitful to the native. Because the Lagna is under consideration now, it has direct bearing on the native. The house where the lagna lord is placed, the native has difficulty in achieving. This looks absurd that the indications of the houses will be destroyed where the lagna lord is placed, applying the above principles. But the principle says, when the enemy loses, the native gains. Here also when the lagna loses, the native gains…. They are ultimately the same and hence, the balance is maintained. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Arial">However counting form the lagna lord in 5th to the Lagna, we get the 9th house. So, we can say that the native is fortunate and protected by the 9th house. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yep Visti… I likes those beans. They are full of protein. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Regards 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Visti Larsen [vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">04 January 2003 font-family:Tahoma">05:26 Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house "Courier New";color:red">Hare Rama "Courier New";color:red">Krishna Dear Sarajit, Try this one; Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count, will indicate those factors which are hard to obtain for the native. Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that count, will indicate those factors which are easily attainable for the native. "How'd you like them' beans?" Best wishes Visti --- Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Sarajit Poddar 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Thursday, January 02, 2003 font-family:Arial">1:53 AM RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house || Jaya Jagannatha|| Dear Chandrashekhar, Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or saumya, however the most important things here is to check, what are the significations it promotes and what it doesn’t. Even though it is krura, it does not affect us negetively, if placed in trine; however it is always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We have to see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna and its placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the lagna and shall not destroy it. The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa. All of them are important, all matters is where you use them. Warm Regards Sarajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">02 January 2003 font-family:Tahoma">01:28 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house Dear Saraijit, If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th could not give any other result. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Sarajit Poddar ; varahamihira 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Wednesday, January 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">3:55 PM [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house || Jaya Jagannatha || Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran, Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know many such sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense! I also read this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me into thinking. Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the lord behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the interaction of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the same principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of Sun in the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra Viz., 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun placed in the trine. 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine. The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter and it is affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun and Jup is pretty healthy. However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the relationship which I defined above. However, if you take the natural zodiac, the natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th lord, or the badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural zodiac. So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The placement of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to that house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native shall have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of the karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness would have been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between the Lagna and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the badhakesh is countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness. If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it would be really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader. Pranaam Sarajit Poddar sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com> [sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com] 10.0pt">01 January 2003 05:22 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas, I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and anger. lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h | prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)|| 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king. Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman. Thank you, Warm Regards, S. Prabhakaran [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. line-break"> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. line-break"> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Jaya color:navy"> Jagannath, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti, 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Why don’t you speak up your mind, I have given pretty good reasoning of the indication of the Lagna lord in the 5th. If you are not satisfied with that, try finding out any inconsistencies there in, I am game for withstanding any queries you put. If you wish I shall speak your words, then I don’t think this is possible. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Visti Larsen [vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">04 January 2003 font-family:Tahoma">21:37 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house "Courier New";color:red">Hare Rama color:red">Krishna Dear Sarajit, The results of the Lagna lord in the 5th house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost. The native is honourable, friendly, short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but tends to serve others." Best wishes Visti --- Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Sarajit Poddar 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Saturday, January 04, 2003 font-family:Arial">2:33 AM [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house Jaya Jagannath, Dear Visti, These are there in COVA so no way……. I have not tried them…..lol. Now I see that you have slightly modified the concept. Can you tell me why you did that mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type: symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings"> mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings">J color:navy">? I like the way you have generalized them. To illustrate this principle in COVA, ch6, page 209, Gurudev says, While the significations of the houses indicated by counting from Sixth house to its lord are damaged for the enemy and promoted for the native, the reverse is true for the houses indicated by counting from the sixth lord to the sixth house. For example if the 6th lord is in the 2nd house, it is in the ninth sign from the 6th house and the fortune signified by the ninth house is destroyed for the enemy an promoted for the native. However, counting from the 6th lord to 6th house, we have five signs showing that the enemy is helped by his children while the native is himself troubled by the Children. So the generic principle here is: tab-stops:list 72.0pt"> color:navy">1. font-family:Arial;color:navy">Because the 6th is the house of enemies, the concerned party in the above example are the enemies. Now we see how they gain and how they lose. The house obtained from counting from the house to the lord, will show the signification which will be destroyed for the persons under consideration, namely the enemies. These indications are fruitful to the native. color:navy"> Because the Lagna is under consideration now, it has direct bearing on the native. The house where the lagna lord is placed, the native has difficulty in achieving. This looks absurd that the indications of the houses will be destroyed where the lagna lord is placed, applying the above principles. But the principle says, when the enemy loses, the native gains. Here also when the lagna loses, the native gains…. They are ultimately the same and hence, the balance is maintained. tab-stops:list 72.0pt"> color:navy">2. font-family:Arial;color:navy">However counting form the lagna lord in 5th to the Lagna, we get the 9th house. So, we can say that the native is fortunate and protected by the 9th house. color:navy"> Yep Visti… I likes those beans. They are full of protein. Best Regards Sarajit Visti Larsen [vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">04 January 2003 font-family:Tahoma">05:26 Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house "Courier New";color:red">Hare Rama "Courier New";color:red">Krishna Dear Sarajit, Try this one; Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count, will indicate those factors which are hard to obtain for the native. Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that count, will indicate those factors which are easily attainable for the native. "How'd you like them' beans?" Best wishes Visti --- Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Sarajit Poddar 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Thursday, January 02, 2003 font-family:Arial">1:53 AM RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house || Jaya Jagannatha|| Dear Chandrashekhar, Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or saumya, however the most important things here is to check, what are the significations it promotes and what it doesn’t. Even though it is krura, it does not affect us negetively, if placed in trine; however it is always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We have to see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna and its placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the lagna and shall not destroy it. The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa. All of them are important, all matters is where you use them. Warm Regards Sarajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">02 January 2003 font-family:Tahoma">01:28 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house Dear Saraijit, If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th could not give any other result. Chandrashekhar. margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> - bold"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Sarajit Poddar ; varahamihira 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Wednesday, January 01, 2003 font-family:Arial">3:55 PM [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house || Jaya Jagannatha || Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran, Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know many such sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense! I also read this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me into thinking. Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the lord behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the interaction of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the same principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of Sun in the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra Viz., 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun placed in the trine. 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine. The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter and it is affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun and Jup is pretty healthy. However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the relationship which I defined above. However, if you take the natural zodiac, the natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th lord, or the badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural zodiac. So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The placement of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to that house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native shall have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of the karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness would have been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between the Lagna and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the badhakesh is countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness. If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it would be really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader. Pranaam Sarajit Poddar sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com> [sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com] 01 January 2003 05:22 [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas, I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and anger. lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h | prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)|| 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king. Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman. Thank you, Warm Regards, S. Prabhakaran [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. line-break"> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. line-break"> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. line-break"> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] Send a blank mail To : - To : Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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