Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

January 1, 2003

Dear Saraijit,

If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th could not give

any other result.

Chandrashekhar.

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; varahamihira

Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Jaya Jagannatha ||Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,Thank you for putting this query.

Actually most of us know many suchsutras, however we don't question, why does

it make sense! I also readthis before, and didn't question. However, this mail

put me intothinking.Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that

the lordbehaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the

interactionof the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the

sameprinciple, we may think this as the result of the placement of Sun inthe

5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra Viz.,1. He will be

honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun placedin the trine.2. Given

to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine.The native will be intelligent as

the karaka of 5th is Jupiter and it isaffecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the

interaction of Sun and Jup ispretty healthy.However, the question asked by you

is not answered, by the relationshipwhich I defined above. However, if you take

the natural zodiac, thenatural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th

lord, or thebadhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural

zodiac.So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The

placementof the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to

thathouse. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native shallhave

mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of thekaraka of the 1st

and 5th was not that good, the happiness would havebeen nil. However, because

of the healthy relationship between the Lagnaand the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup,

the evil placement of the badhakesh iscountered to a large extent, giving at

least some happiness.If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child,

it would bereally great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the

leader.PranaamSarajit Poddarsanjayprabhakaran

<sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>[sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com] 01 January 2003

05:22Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord

in 5th house|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,I was thinking why

lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and

anger.lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |prathamApatyanAshaH

syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)||5. If Lagn's Lord is in

Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his

first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king.Similar view is

also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman.Thank you,Warm

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January 3, 2003

Dear Ashwin,

You are probably worrying too much.6th lord in 5th could also indicate worries

and again being 11th lord indicate increase in your income after birth of your

daughter.His navamsha position shows that he is neecha and not as strong as you

assume from the Natal chart.The worry that she could cause you appears to be

that she may have a love marriage. And even here Jupiter's position in 5th

indicates that she would not marry any Tom Dick and Harry.Position of Mars lord

of the 5th would also have to be considered.Being lord of the 12th too he is in

3rd causing a sort of Rajayoga.Your Daughter and Wife's Horoscopes also have to

indicate bad results for them to happen.I assume your daughter would be less

than 12 years now. It is not advisable to read their horoscope unless there is

some immediate serious problems.

Wishing you and your daughter all the best.

Chandrashekhar.

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Friday, January 03, 2003 1:00 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

OMDear Gurujis and Sarajit, Chandrashekhar, and Sanjay Prabhakaran,Thank you

Sanjay for raising this question. Sarajit and Chandrashekar thank you for your

explanations of how one can develop logical steps in interpreting (Looking at

it from Karaka, Natural Zodiac, etc)This is what I thought of:In the Natural

Zodiac Mars rules over first house and eigth house. Mars in 5th house as the

Eigth lord in 5th house can disturb progenic happiness. I am interested in this

as I have LL (Jupiter LL and 4L) in 5H (Aries) with Venus. I have a daughter,

4yrs old and worry sometimes of how much to interpret. Further Venus in my case

is 6L and 11L although a Natural benefic and my LL (Jupiter) is in Gandanta

position. I have Kalasarpa Yoga (KSY) and would appreciate if Gurujis would

address what remedies I should consider as am concerned that after the effects

of KSY, other yogas may manifest. I am concerned of Gandanta position of

Jupiter, LL and prevention of any harm to my daughter [Jupiter (karaka for

children) and LL in 5H with Venus -functional malefic]. Any

recommendations/suggestions would be appreciate very much.Jupiter is also 4L

and has already manifested its association with 6L as chronic illness in my

mother (kidney failure on dialysis, In addition Matrukaraka Moon is also in 6H

- BPHS Chap 17;Verses 3-5. My birth details:DOB: March 19, 1964TOB: 1:20:21 AM

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45; Lat 0 S 06Lagna 12 Sg 29.Best Wishes.Ashwin.[Om Kleem Krishnaaya

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January 3, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visti:

when lagna lord is in 7th then there is a contradiction...it would

mean that it is easy and difficult.

could that be interpreted as a bitter/sweet relationship with spouse

, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> --

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>

> Dear Sarajit,

> Try this one;

>

> Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count,

will indicate those factors which are hard to obtain for the native.

>

> Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that

count, will indicate those factors which are easily attainable for

the native.

>

> "How'd you like them' beans?"

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:53 AM

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

lord in 5th house

>

> || Jaya Jagannatha||

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar,

>

> Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or

saumya, however the most important things here is to check, what are

the significations it promotes and what it doesn't. Even though it is

krura, it does not affect us negetively, if placed in trine; however

it is always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We have to

see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna and

its placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the

lagna and shall not destroy it.

>

> The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is

considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

>

> All of them are important, all matters is where you use them.

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Sarajit

>

> Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> 02 January 2003 01:28

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

lord in 5th house

>

> Dear Saraijit,

>

> If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th

could not give any other result.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

>

> Sarajit Poddar

>

> ; varahamihira

>

> Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

>

> || Jaya Jagannatha ||

> Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

>

> Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know many

such

> sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense! I

also read

> this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me into

> thinking.

>

> Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the

lord

> behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the

interaction

> of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using

the same

> principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of

Sun in

> the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the

Sutra Viz.,

>

> 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet

Sun placed

> in the trine.

>

> 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine.

>

> The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter

and it is

> affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun

and Jup is

> pretty healthy.

>

> However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the

relationship

> which I defined above. However, if you take the natural zodiac,

the

> natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th lord,

or the

> badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the

natural zodiac.

> So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The

placement

> of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to

that

> house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the

native shall

> have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of

the

> karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness

would have

> been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between

the Lagna

> and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the

badhakesh is

> countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness.

>

> If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it

would be

> really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader.

>

> Pranaam

> Sarajit Poddar

> sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> [sprabhakaran@s...]

> 01 January 2003 05:22

>

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,

>

> I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad

effects in

> terms of children longevity and anger.

>

> lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |

> prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5

> (santanam)||

>

> 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have

mediocre

> progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable,

given

> to anger and be dear to king.

>

> Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope

> BVRaman.

>

> Thank you,

> Warm Regards,

> S. Prabhakaran

>

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January 4, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sarajit,

The results of the Lagna lord in the 5th house are repeated as follows:

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost. The native is

honourable, friendly, short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but tends to

serve others."

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

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Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:33 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Jaya Jagannath,

Dear Visti,

These are there in COVA so no way……. I have not tried them…..lol. Now I see that

you have slightly modified the concept. Can you tell me why you did that J? I

like the way you have generalized them.

To illustrate this principle in COVA, ch6, page 209, Gurudev says,

While the significations of the houses indicated by counting from Sixth house to

its lord are damaged for the enemy and promoted for the native, the reverse is

true for the houses indicated by counting from the sixth lord to the sixth

house. For example if the 6th lord is in the 2nd house, it is in the ninth sign

from the 6th house and the fortune signified by the ninth house is destroyed for

the enemy an promoted for the native. However, counting from the 6th lord to 6th

house, we have five signs showing that the enemy is helped by his children while

the native is himself troubled by the Children.

So the generic principle here is:

Because the 6th is the house of enemies, the concerned party in the above

example are the enemies. Now we see how they gain and how they lose. The house

obtained from counting from the house to the lord, will show the signification

which will be destroyed for the persons under consideration, namely the

enemies. These indications are fruitful to the native.

Because the Lagna is under consideration now, it has direct bearing on the

native. The house where the lagna lord is placed, the native has difficulty in

achieving. This looks absurd that the indications of the houses will be

destroyed where the lagna lord is placed, applying the above principles. But

the principle says, when the enemy loses, the native gains. Here also when the

lagna loses, the native gains…. They are ultimately the same and hence, the

balance is maintained.

However counting form the lagna lord in 5th to the Lagna, we get the 9th house.

So, we can say that the native is fortunate and protected by the 9th house.

Yep Visti… I likes those beans. They are full of protein.

Best Regards

Sarajit

Visti Larsen [vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk] 04

January 2003 05:26Subject: Re: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sarajit,

Try this one;

Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count, will indicate

those factors which are hard to obtain for the native.

Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that count, will

indicate those factors which are easily attainable for the native.

"How'd you like them' beans?"

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

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Sarajit Poddar

Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:53 AM

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Jaya Jagannatha||

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or saumya, however

the most important things here is to check, what are the significations it

promotes and what it doesn’t. Even though it is krura, it does not affect us

negetively, if placed in trine; however it is always beneficial for good

health. Why this is so? We have to see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the

karaka for the lagna and its placement in the trine shall augment the

signification of the lagna and shall not destroy it.

The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is considered as a

malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

All of them are important, all matters is where you use them.

Warm Regards

Sarajit

Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

02 January 2003 01:28Subject: [sJC: Achyuta