[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

January 2, 2003

Om Shreem Vachaspataye Namah,

Dear Shiv and Jyotisha's,

> One chart which we had discussed for Career purpose has the Lagna

> lord Saturn (Cp Asc) in the 5th and she didn't loose her first

child

> (female), although the second and the third pregnancies were

> terminated.

The dictum is only indicative and it has to seen in conjuction with

putra kaarak, sahams, putra house etc.

For female chart the 9th house is the controlling house for children.

As an extension to the question , For women chart does lagna lord in

9th indicate mediocre progenic happiness and loss of 1st child?.

-Warm Regards

S.Prabhakaran

We'll discuss this latter...

> I was again looking at the D-10 as she is still looking for a job.

> The fifth lord in it is Moon. Jup/Jup/Moon (Vimshotari started from

> Moon. Moon is in Asc in rasi) is from Apr 11, 2003 to Jun 15, 2003,

> which shud get her a job. Venus is the 10th Lord in Rasi and is

> placed in the 5th in D-10. Jup/Jup/Ven is running right now which

> shud also be favorable, although nothing has happened in this

period

> except getting in touch with placement consultants.

>

> The next period is Jup/Jup/Sun. In D-10 Sun is with A5 in the 7th

> with Ketu aspected by Rahu. I dont know how this will affect. I was

> also wondering whether the Rashi Drishti of Mars on the 5th might

> hamper the chances of getting a job even in Jup/Jup/Moon. Her D-10

> Narayana Dasa is Cp from 2002 to 2010 which is the 11th House

having

> AL, A8 and Merc(4th Lord). I did not calculate the antardasas.

>

> I think I am looking at too many things and getting confused. It

wud

> be great if some light can be thrown on this.

>

> Birth Data:

>

> Aug 6, 1971

> Given Time: 19:01 (we had corrected to 18:55)

> 78E01

> 27N11

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Shiv

>

> , "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...>

> wrote:

> > || Jaya Jagannatha||

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or

> saumya,

> > however the most important things here is to check, what are the

> > significations it promotes and what it doesn't. Even though it is

> krura,

> > it does not affect us negetively, if placed in trine; however it

is

> > always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We have to see

> the

> > dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna and its

> > placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the

lagna

> and

> > shall not destroy it.

> >

> > The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is

> > considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

> >

> > All of them are important, all matters is where you use them.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> > Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > 02 January 2003 01:28

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

lord

> in

> > 5th house

> >

> > Dear Saraijit,

> > If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th

> could

> > not give any other result.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...>

> > ; varahamihira

> > Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > || Jaya Jagannatha ||

> > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >

> > Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know many

such

> > sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense! I also

> read

> > this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me into

> > thinking.

> >

> > Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the

lord

> > behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the

> interaction

> > of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the

> same

> > principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of

Sun

> in

> > the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra

> Viz.,

> >

> > 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun

> placed

> > in the trine.

> >

> > 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine.

> >

> > The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter

and

> it is

> > affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun and

> Jup is

> > pretty healthy.

> >

> > However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the

> relationship

> > which I defined above. However, if you take the natural zodiac,

the

> > natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th lord, or

the

> > badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural

> zodiac.

> > So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The

> placement

> > of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to

that

> > house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native

> shall

> > have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of

the

> > karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness would

> have

> > been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between

the

> Lagna

> > and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the

> badhakesh is

> > countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness.

> >

> > If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it

would

> be

> > really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader.

> >

> > Pranaam

> > Sarajit Poddar

> >

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> > [sprabhakaran@s...]

> > 01 January 2003 05:22

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,

> >

> > I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects

in

> > terms of children longevity and anger.

> >

> > lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |

> > prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5

> > (santanam)||

> >

> > 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre

> > progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable,

given

> > to anger and be dear to king.

> >

> > Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope

> > BVRaman.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Warm Regards,

> > S. Prabhakaran

> >

January 2, 2003

Dear Sarajit,

I think the discussions were centered around the 5th bhava.Again whether Sun

would affect us would depend on the ascendant and whether Sun is a Karaka for

it or a trishadaipati.I must however agree with you that no planet is either

malefic or benefic,and the results depend on its relations with the Ascendant

Chandrashekhar.

-

Sarajit Poddar

Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:23 AM

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Jaya Jagannatha||

Dear Chandrashekhar,

Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura or saumya, however

the most important things here is to check, what are the significations it

promotes and what it doesn’t. Even though it is krura, it does not affect us

negetively, if placed in trine; however it is always beneficial for good

health. Why this is so? We have to see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the

karaka for the lagna and its placement in the trine shall augment the

signification of the lagna and shall not destroy it.

The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is considered as a

malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

All of them are important, all matters is where you use them.

Warm Regards

Sarajit

Chandrashekhar [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

02 January 2003 01:28Subject: [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Dear Saraijit,

If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in 5th could not give

any other result.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Sarajit Poddar

; varahamihira

Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

|| Jaya Jagannatha ||Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,Thank you for putting this query.

Actually most of us know many suchsutras, however we don't question, why does

it make sense! I also readthis before, and didn't question. However, this mail

put me intothinking.Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that

the lordbehaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the

interactionof the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using the

sameprinciple, we may think this as the result of the placement of Sun inthe

5th house. However, this explains only the part of the Sutra Viz.,1. He will be

honourable and favourite to king - Royal Planet Sun placedin the trine.2. Given

to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine.The native will be intelligent as

the karaka of 5th is Jupiter and it isaffecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the

interaction of Sun and Jup ispretty healthy.However, the question asked by you

is not answered, by the relationshipwhich I defined above. However, if you take

the natural zodiac, thenatural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th

lord, or thebadhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the natural

zodiac.So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th. The

placementof the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem related to

thathouse. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the native shallhave

mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of thekaraka of the 1st

and 5th was not that good, the happiness would havebeen nil. However, because

of the healthy relationship between the Lagnaand the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup,

the evil placement of the badhakesh iscountered to a large extent, giving at

least some happiness.If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child,

it would bereally great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the

leader.PranaamSarajit Poddarsanjayprabhakaran

<sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com>[sprabhakaran (AT) shreem (DOT) com] 01 January 2003

05:22Subject: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord

in 5th house|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,I was thinking why

lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad effects in terms of children longevity and

anger.lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |prathamApatyanAshaH

syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 (santanam)||5. If Lagn's Lord is in

Putr Bhava, the native will have mediocre progenic happiness, will lose his

first child, be honourable, given to anger and be dear to king.Similar view is

also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope BVRaman.Thank you,Warm

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January 2, 2003

Hi all in this thread,

even though most of what has been said I wish to say

one point that planet in 5th should be friendly with

the planet in ascendant. This is what (if I remember

gurudev Sanjayji has mentioned in his COVA. Sun in 5th

may limit number of issues where as may give abundant

brilliance and yearn for knowledge. we can say that

natural malefics are harmful to the children as alo

the placement of Pk in 5th unless they own the house.

one also need to look into Saptamsa for the children.

Shiv,

In the chart mentioned by you, the reason for the

native to be angry etc is due to the position of Sa in

5th house which makes one prone to mentally instable

depressed, guilt, hopelessness, anger etc. Also Sa

here gives few children and also at a later age.

Lakshman

--- "shivkulhari <shivkulhari"

<shivkulhari wrote:

> || Om Hrim Shrim Mahalakshmiaye Namah ||

>

> Dear Sanjay and List,

>

> One chart which we had discussed for Career purpose

> has the Lagna

> lord Saturn (Cp Asc) in the 5th and she didn't loose

> her first child

> (female), although the second and the third

> pregnancies were

> terminated.

>

> She does have a lot of anger, which can also be

> attributed to Mars

> and Rahu in the Asc.

>

> I was again looking at the D-10 as she is still

> looking for a job.

> The fifth lord in it is Moon. Jup/Jup/Moon

> (Vimshotari started from

> Moon. Moon is in Asc in rasi) is from Apr 11, 2003

> to Jun 15, 2003,

> which shud get her a job. Venus is the 10th Lord in

> Rasi and is

> placed in the 5th in D-10. Jup/Jup/Ven is running

> right now which

> shud also be favorable, although nothing has

> happened in this period

> except getting in touch with placement consultants.

>

> The next period is Jup/Jup/Sun. In D-10 Sun is with

> A5 in the 7th

> with Ketu aspected by Rahu. I dont know how this

> will affect. I was

> also wondering whether the Rashi Drishti of Mars on

> the 5th might

> hamper the chances of getting a job even in

> Jup/Jup/Moon. Her D-10

> Narayana Dasa is Cp from 2002 to 2010 which is the

> 11th House having

> AL, A8 and Merc(4th Lord). I did not calculate the

> antardasas.

>

> I think I am looking at too many things and getting

> confused. It wud

> be great if some light can be thrown on this.

>

> Birth Data:

>

> Aug 6, 1971

> Given Time: 19:01 (we had corrected to 18:55)

> 78E01

> 27N11

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Shiv

>

> , "Sarajit

> Poddar" <sarajit@s...>

> wrote:

> > || Jaya Jagannatha||

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> > Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet

> being krura or

> saumya,

> > however the most important things here is to

> check, what are the

> > significations it promotes and what it doesn't.

> Even though it is

> krura,

> > it does not affect us negetively, if placed in

> trine; however it is

> > always beneficial for good health. Why this is so?

> We have to see

> the

> > dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the

> lagna and its

> > placement in the trine shall augment the

> signification of the lagna

> and

> > shall not destroy it.

> >

> > The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues,

> where Sun is

> > considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

> >

> > All of them are important, all matters is where

> you use them.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> > Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > 02 January 2003 01:28

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta

> Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord

> in

> > 5th house

> >

> > Dear Saraijit,

> > If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his

> being strong in 5th

> could

> > not give any other result.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...>

> > ;

> varahamihira

> > Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in

> 5th house

> >

> > || Jaya Jagannatha ||

> > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >

> > Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of

> us know many such

> > sutras, however we don't question, why does it

> make sense! I also

> read

> > this before, and didn't question. However, this

> mail put me into

> > thinking.

> >

> > Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we

> assume that the lord

> > behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and

> we see the

> interaction

> > of the lord with the karaka of the house it is

> placed. Using the

> same

> > principle, we may think this as the result of the

> placement of Sun

> in

> > the 5th house. However, this explains only the

> part of the Sutra

> Viz.,

> >

> > 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king -

> Royal Planet Sun

> placed

> > in the trine.

> >

> > 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the

> trine.

> >

> > The native will be intelligent as the karaka of

> 5th is Jupiter and

> it is

> > affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the

> interaction of Sun and

> Jup is

> > pretty healthy.

> >

> > However, the question asked by you is not

> answered, by the

> relationship

> > which I defined above. However, if you take the

> natural zodiac, the

> > natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is

> the 9th lord, or the

> > badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna

> of the natural

> zodiac.

> > So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the

> natural 5th. The

> placement

> > of the badhakesh in any house shall show the

> problem related to that

> > house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house

> shows the native

> shall

> > have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the

> sambandha of the

> > karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the

> happiness would

> have

> > been nil. However, because of the healthy

> relationship between the

> Lagna

> > and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil

> placement of the

> badhakesh is

> > countered to a large extent, giving at least some

> happiness.

> >

> > If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first

> child, it would

> be

>

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January 3, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sarajit,

Try this one;

Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count, will indicate

those factors which are hard to obtain for the native.

Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that count, will

indicate those factors which are easily attainable for the native.

"How'd you like them' beans?"

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Sarajit Poddar

Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:53 AM