Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

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Vyam Vyasa-devaya Namah.

 

Dear Vistiji,

Thank you for your detailed response.

 

Now what happens if lagnesh is in second house? Does that mean the

native will gain everything else in life while having some trouble in

family? I find it hard to believe in such a sweeping dictum that a

person will loose everything between lagna and paka lagna and gain

everyting between paka lagna and lagna. Its a very _sweeping_ dictum.

 

Moreover, does not 7th house signify things other than desires? What

if there is a contradiction while seeing from moon? In my case from

moon chart, langesh (same guru) is in 4th (moksha house). Wouldnt

chandra lagna show our desires more than langa since Chandra deals

with mind?

 

Your statement ("Wife is shortlived, more than one marriage and

misfortunes are indicated") has scared the hell out of me, since I am

recently engaged. Can you please look into my birth chart and

hopefully say the above statement is cancelled due to so and so

factors?

 

My birth details.

 

DOB: 27-sept-1977

Time: 1.32pm (1.41pm - rectified by Pt. Rathji, but my tentative

date of marriage he might have used, has changed after the

rectification).

Lat & Long: 78 E 03 & 10 N 58

 

Thanks,

-Siva.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

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> Dear Siva,

> The basic results of Lagna lord in the 7th are;

> "Wife is shortlived, more than one marriage and misfortunes are

indicated."

>

> In COVA and exception is given; Unless the Lagnesh is strong, the

native could become an ascetic or nomad. If strong great wealth and

prosperity are indicated.

>

> So lets try to understand the 7th house first. Its the place of

desire, because its the 7th from the lagna, and will show what we

want in life. The truth is, that we can never satisfy these desires

and yet run after them again and again, only to be continously reborn

in a never ending hunt for satisfaction.

>

> So Lagna lord in the 7th is a constant balance between loosing and

gaining (thou only temporary) satisfaction of these desires.

>

> As for basis of this rule.. There is a simple balance in life,

namely whatever you get/take must come from somewhere. The fortunes

of the Lagna are seen from the Lagna Lord, and thats why we call its

sign the 'Paka Lagna'.

>

> The Paka Lagna shows where we put out Dhi' (intelligence), or

rather, how we manifest our ideals/goals which are indicated by the

Lagna. What is sacrificed is seen from the houses behind the Paka

Lagna. What is gained is seen from the count gained between Paka

Lagna and Lagna.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

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> Friday, January 03, 2003 10:49 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

lord in 5th house

>

>

> Dear Vistiji,

> For me, lagna lord (Guru) is in 7th house. So what would that

mean?

> Does 7th house matters will be both easy and tough to attain? I

dont

> understand. Moreover, what is the rationale behind your

statement?

>

> Thanks,

> Siva.

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

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> >

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Try this one;

> >

> > Count from Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that

count,

> will indicate those factors which are hard to obtain for the

native.

> >

> > Count from the Lord to the Lagna. The house indicated by that

> count, will indicate those factors which are easily attainable

for

> the native.

> >

> > "How'd you like them' beans?"

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

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> >

> > Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:53 AM

> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> >

> > || Jaya Jagannatha||

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar,

> >

> >

> >

> > Yes, one should consider the nature of the planet being krura

or

> saumya, however the most important things here is to check, what

are

> the significations it promotes and what it doesn't. Even though

it is

> krura, it does not affect us negetively, if placed in trine;

however

> it is always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We have

to

> see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna

and

> its placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the

> lagna and shall not destroy it.

> >

> >

> >

> > The krura nature is more seen in longevity issues, where Sun

is

> considered as a malefic. Refer Shoola Dasa.

> >

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> >

> > All of them are important, all matters is where you use them.

> >

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> > Warm Regards

> >

> > Sarajit

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> > Chandrashekhar [boxdel]

> > 02 January 2003 01:28

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Saraijit,

> >

> > If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being strong in

5th

> could not give any other result.

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> >

> > Sarajit Poddar

> >

> > ;

varahamihira

> >

> > Wednesday, January 01, 2003 3:55 PM

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

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> >

> > || Jaya Jagannatha ||

> > Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >

> > Thank you for putting this query. Actually most of us know

many

> such

> > sutras, however we don't question, why does it make sense!

I

> also read

> > this before, and didn't question. However, this mail put me

into

> > thinking.

> >

> > Generally, when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that

the

> lord

> > behaves somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see

the

> interaction

> > of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed.

Using

> the same

> > principle, we may think this as the result of the placement

of

> Sun in

> > the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the

> Sutra Viz.,

> >

> > 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal

Planet

> Sun placed

> > in the trine.

> >

> > 2. Given to anger - fiery Sun's placement in the trine.

> >

> > The native will be intelligent as the karaka of 5th is

Jupiter

> and it is

> > affecting on the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of

Sun

> and Jup is

> > pretty healthy.

> >

> > However, the question asked by you is not answered, by the

> relationship

> > which I defined above. However, if you take the natural

zodiac,

> the

> > natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo is the 9th

lord,

> or the

> > badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is the lagna of the

> natural zodiac.

> > So the Lagnesh becomes the badhakesh for the natural 5th.

The

> placement

> > of the badhakesh in any house shall show the problem

related to

> that

> > house. Hence the lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the

> native shall

> > have mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the

sambandha of

> the

> > karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness

> would have

> > been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship

between

> the Lagna

> > and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the

> badhakesh is

> > countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness.

> >

> > If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child,

it

> would be

> > really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the

leader.

> >

> >

> > Pranaam

> > Sarajit Poddar

> >

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> >

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>

> > [sprabhakaran@s...]

> > 01 January 2003 05:22

> >

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,

> >

> > I was thinking why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad

> effects in

> > terms of children longevity and anger.

> >

> > lagneshe sutage jantoH sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |

> > prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS

24.5

> > (santanam)||

> >

> > 5. If Lagn's Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have

> mediocre

> > progenic happiness, will lose his first child, be

honourable,

> given

> > to anger and be dear to king.

> >

> > Similar view is also in CoVA and HTJH-How to Judge

Horoscope

> > BVRaman.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Warm Regards,

> > S. Prabhakaran

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hamsa om soham

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

> The 5th is controlling house for children in male chart and 9th house

> for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE CHARTS

 

There seem to be contradictory rules for this. In both cases, the 9th house

is taken as the controlling house in Saptamsa.

(a) the sequence is reversed for female charts

(b) the sequence is reversed when the varga lagna falls in an even (female)

sign.

 

Could you please explain why you think approach (a) is correct, and why

approach (b) is not?

 

ajit

 

 

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Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:23 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th

house

 

 

> Om Sri Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Chandrashakar,

>

> > Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in 9th for Aires

> ascendant qualify for the shloka I have cited?

>

> Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa and shadbala strength of

> Jupiter to cross verify.

>

> > As for the original topic,there is a line o thought which

> calculates the first born amongst relatives from the designated Bhava

> from Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at same no. of Bhava from

> designated bhava and so on. So first born will be indicated by 5th

> Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th) and so on. This

> could be the key to the riddle that is being sought.

>

> NO!. that way you are calculating childs child. (Anyway for childs

> child i.e grandchild you should use child's lord as lagna).

> Else some basics like bhavat bhavam will be violated.

> 9th house is third child. for male chart use 5,7,9 etc jump 3 houses

> in Saptamsa as the next child a younger sibling!

>

> The 5th is controlling house for children in male chart and 9th house

> for females. The sequence is reversed for FEMALE CHARTS

>

> Warm Regards.

> S. Prabhakaran

>

>

> > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that yogas in shlokas are

> not to be taken verbatim but the principle behind the yogas should be

> understood in order to arrive at correct import of the sages.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> >

> > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna

> lord in 5th house

> >

> >

> > Dear Chandrakeshar,

> > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can surely give the children

> under the circumstances below. Yet the question was about the 1st

> child..

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> > Chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Visti,Zoran and other Learned Jyotishis,If I may

> intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of Bhavaphala-5th-6th

> Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh

> (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th is strong and Jupiter

> is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

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> > Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first

> child could be lost"

> > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first

> rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen the

> progenic bliss, as well as take the first child which is particulalry

> signified by the 5th houseActually the Sun is Karaka for Lagna, and

> Sun in the 5th house can cause miscarriages. The reason is that the

> Agni of the Sun and the water needed to sustain childbirths, cause

> dryness or excess heat, which results in miscarriages, similar to the

> effects of planets being in Gandanta. Similarly Mars in the 5th can

> cause miscarriages due to excess bleeding. As for blessings from

> elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is enough for this. Best wishes

> > Visti

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> >

> > Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11 PM

> > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]

> RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

> > Om Namo Narayanaya,

> > Dear Visti and other members,

> > I shall try to explain why these influences as given to

> Parashara:

> > Dear Sarajit,The results of the Lagna lord in the 5th

> house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss is not assured, and

> the first child could be lost. The native is honourable, friendly,

> short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but tends to serve

> others." Best wishes

> > Visti-

> >

> > "Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could

> be lost"

> > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the

> first rashi of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen

> the progenic bliss, as well as take the first child which is

> particulalry signified by the 5th house

> > " The native is honorable"

> > Zoran: 5th lord in a natural zodiac belongs to Surya while

> Karaka is Guru. So the person would be blessed by Surya and Guru.

> Further, Arudha Lagna would fall into the 9th house of honour and

> divine blessings, while Lagnesh would at the same time fall in the

> 9th house from arudha Lagna.

> > " The native is friendly"

> > This comes from Guru which is karaka for 5th house and

> above mentioned Arudha. Why Friendly? Like Shri Mahavishnu, who is

> always friendly towards human...

> > "short tempered"

> > Zoran: This is the infleunce of Surya as the 5th lord in

> Kal Purush. Surya is Pitta Graha and is short tempered

> > " Favourite of the rulers, but tends to serve others"

> > Zoran: Favourite of the rulers is due to Surya, karaka

> Guru, and Arudha Lagna in 9th house. The question about serving

> others can be spiritually comprehended due to the above infleunces.

> If we observe this as an ordinary matter such as business/service,

> the 5th house gives status and power, and never service unless graha

> is afflicted. If we treat this as a govermental service, and status

> through the same, then this is ok

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> >

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