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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Siva,

"If Lagna Lord is in the 2nd house, the native is scholarly, wealthy, happy,

religious, honourable and passionate. Progenic bliss will be hard to obtain."

 

Judge for yourself. It seems to apply very well with the Putra bhava, or maybe

we're missing something here?

 

You have Lagnesh Guru in the Kalatra bhava, which causes a delay in marriage

(badhakesh of the 7th). Its joined Mangal, causing ill health of the spouse, or

many fights. You will also dominate over your spouse.

 

Astamesh is Moon, who is joined Ketu in Meena, showing many undiagnosable

diseases and troubles to the spouse.

 

Shukra is in yuti with Shani and Buddha in Rasi, whilst Shani is the Dhanesh of

the Upapada, showing problems of the wife in having children. However as

Putrapada is in the vyaaya from the Pada Lagna, you may not be interested in

children at all.

 

Be warned that you should not ignore the first ill-health symptoms of your

spouse, as then it may be too late. This danger is there as the dhanesh from

Upapada(cap) is in the vyaaya from Pada Lagna.

 

Lagna is vargottama, and Shukra is in yuti with Rahu in the Ashtaamsa (8th

house), and this can pose a problem, as Mangal also has graha dristi on Shukra.

 

 

The remedy is abit tricky gem-wise, as

1) Your newly engaged, hence Emerald should not be worn.

2) Wearing silver will cause you many expenses.

3) Lessening the power of Rahu - using Gomedh might work, but should be avoided amongst Jyotishis.

 

So to begin with, i will advise you to fast on days of your Upapada, so you don't miss the symptoms.

 

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Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:38 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Vyam Vyasa-devaya Namah.Dear Vistiji, Thank you for your detailed response.Now

what happens if lagnesh is in second house? Does that mean the native will gain

everything else in life while having some trouble in family? I find it hard to

believe in such a sweeping dictum that a person will loose everything between

lagna and paka lagna and gain everyting between paka lagna and lagna. Its a

very _sweeping_ dictum.Moreover, does not 7th house signify things other than

desires? What if there is a contradiction while seeing from moon? In my case

from moon chart, langesh (same guru) is in 4th (moksha house). Wouldnt chandra

lagna show our desires more than langa since Chandra deals with mind?Your

statement ("Wife is shortlived, more than one marriage and misfortunes are

indicated") has scared the hell out of me, since I am recently engaged. Can you

please look into my birth chart and hopefully say the above statement is

cancelled due to so and so factors?My birth details.DOB: 27-sept-1977Time:

1.32pm (1.41pm - rectified by Pt. Rathji, but my tentative date of marriage he

might have used, has changed after the rectification).Lat & Long: 78 E 03 & 10

N 58Thanks,-Siva., "Visti Larsen"

<vishnu@l...> wrote:> Hare Rama Krishna> >

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> Dear Siva,> The basic results of Lagna lord in the 7th are; > "Wife is

shortlived, more than one marriage and misfortunes are indicated."> > In COVA

and exception is given; Unless the Lagnesh is strong, the native could become

an ascetic or nomad. If strong great wealth and prosperity are indicated.> > So

lets try to understand the 7th house first. Its the place of desire, because its

the 7th from the lagna, and will show what we want in life. The truth is, that

we can never satisfy these desires and yet run after them again and again, only

to be continously reborn in a never ending hunt for satisfaction.> > So Lagna

lord in the 7th is a constant balance between loosing and gaining (thou only

temporary) satisfaction of these desires.> > As for basis of this rule.. There

is a simple balance in life, namely whatever you get/take must come from

somewhere. The fortunes of the Lagna are seen from the Lagna Lord, and thats

why we call its sign the 'Paka Lagna'. > > The Paka Lagna shows where we put

out Dhi' (intelligence), or rather, how we manifest our ideals/goals which are

indicated by the Lagna. What is sacrificed is seen from the houses behind the

Paka Lagna. What is gained is seen from the count gained between Paka Lagna and

Lagna.> > Best wishes> Visti> ---> Bhagavad Purana:

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> Friday, January 03, 2003 10:49 PM>

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th

house> > > Dear Vistiji,> For me, lagna lord (Guru) is in 7th house. So

what would that mean? > Does 7th house matters will be both easy and tough to

attain? I dont > understand. Moreover, what is the rationale behind your

statement? > > Thanks,> Siva.> > ,

"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote:> > Hare Rama Krishna> > > >

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------------> > > > Dear Sarajit,> > Try this one; > > > > Count from

Lagna to its lord. The house indicated by that count, > will indicate those

factors which are hard to obtain for the native.> > > > Count from the Lord

to the Lagna. The house indicated by that > count, will indicate those factors

which are easily attainable for > the native.> > > > "How'd you like them'

beans?"> > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Bhagavad Purana:

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> > Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:53 AM>

> RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna > lord

in 5th house> > > > > > || Jaya Jagannatha||> > > > Dear

Chandrashekhar,> > > > > > > > Yes, one should consider the nature

of the planet being krura or > saumya, however the most important things here

is to check, what are > the significations it promotes and what it doesn't.

Even though it is > krura, it does not affect us negetively, if placed in

trine; however > it is always beneficial for good health. Why this is so? We

have to > see the dynamics of karaka here. Sun is the karaka for the lagna

and > its placement in the trine shall augment the signification of the >

lagna and shall not destroy it.> > > > > > > > The krura nature is

more seen in longevity issues, where Sun is > considered as a malefic. Refer

Shoola Dasa.> > > > > > > > All of them are important, all matters

is where you use them.> > > > > > > > Warm Regards> > > >

Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > > 02 January 2003 01:28>

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna > lord in 5th house> > > > > > > > Dear

Saraijit,> > > > If we remember Sun is a Krura Planet then his being

strong in 5th > could not give any other result.> > > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > > >

Sarajit Poddar > > > > ;

varahamihira > > > > Wednesday, January 01, 2003

3:55 PM> > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th

house> > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannatha ||> > Dear

Sanjay Prabhakaran,> > > > Thank you for putting this query. Actually

most of us know many > such> > sutras, however we don't question, why

does it make sense! I > also read> > this before, and didn't question.

However, this mail put me into> > thinking.> > > > Generally,

when a lord is placed in a house, we assume that the > lord> > behaves

somewhat like the karaka of the house and we see the > interaction> >

of the lord with the karaka of the house it is placed. Using > the same> >

principle, we may think this as the result of the placement of > Sun in>

> the 5th house. However, this explains only the part of the > Sutra

Viz.,> > > > 1. He will be honourable and favourite to king - Royal

Planet > Sun placed> > in the trine.> > > > 2. Given to anger -

fiery Sun's placement in the trine.> > > > The native will be

intelligent as the karaka of 5th is Jupiter > and it is> > affecting on

the Dhi (Lagna lord) and the interaction of Sun > and Jup is> > pretty

healthy.> > > > However, the question asked by you is not answered, by

the > relationship> > which I defined above. However, if you take the

natural zodiac, > the> > natural 5th is Leo and the Badhakesh for Leo

is the 9th lord, > or the> > badhakashathana becomes Aries, which is

the lagna of the > natural zodiac.> > So the Lagnesh becomes the

badhakesh for the natural 5th. The > placement> > of the badhakesh in

any house shall show the problem related to > that> > house. Hence the

lgnesha placed in the 5th house shows the > native shall> > have

mediocre happiness. I would guess that if the sambandha of > the> >

karaka of the 1st and 5th was not that good, the happiness > would have> >

been nil. However, because of the healthy relationship between > the Lagna>

> and the 5th karaka, Sun and Jup, the evil placement of the > badhakesh

is> > countered to a large extent, giving at least some happiness.> > >

> If somebody clarify why does it show loss of first child, it > would

be> > really great. I guess, probably Sun signify one or the leader.> >

> > > > Pranaam> > Sarajit Poddar> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > sanjayprabhakaran

<sprabhakaran@s...>> > [sprabhakaran@s...] > > 01

January 2003 05:22> > > > Subject:

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Lagna lord in 5th house> > > > || Om Gurave

Namah ||> > Dear Gurudeva and Jyotishas,> > > > I was thinking

why lagna lord in 5th is told to give bad > effects in > > terms of

children longevity and anger.> > > > lagneshe sutage jantoH

sutasaukhyaM cha madhyamam.h |> > prathamApatyanAshaH syAnmAnI krodhI

nR^ipapriyaH || BPHS 24.5 > > (santanam)||> > > > 5. If Lagn's

Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will have > mediocre > > progenic

happiness, will lose his first child, be honourable, > given > > to

anger and be dear to king.> > > > Similar view is also in CoVA and

HTJH-How to Judge Horoscope > > BVRaman.> > > > Thank you,>

> Warm Regards,> > S. Prabhakaran> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Shiva,

Astrology is a predictive science.There are many yogas given for porgeny.There

are also many methods used for predicting the same, like Saptamsha and

others.What needs to be done is the astrologer should use his own common

sense(Viveka) and sense of proportion to arrive at the correct predictions. You

will find many yogas which can not operate as they are a mathematical

impposibility. One has to understand the principle behind the yogas and apply

the principles in proper perspective. Yogas like Sun in Ascendant with all

planets aspecting him cannot occur as Mercury is within 28 degrees of Sun and

Venus within 48degrees or so. The import to be understod is that more the

number of planets aspecting , more powerful would be the Yoga. In the example

given by you too you will have to apply Viveka based on strength of the

Horoscopes to arrive at the correct predictions. Had this not been so,the data

could have been programmed to obtain predictions through computers.

Again different authorities have given yogas based on their experience and their

own deduction as to the yoga causing a particular event. This has to be

understood. This is precisely the reason that you will find that all of those

who are well-versed in Ganita and Samhita part of astrology are not necessarily

successful at Hora and vice-a-versa, while some excell in all three branches.

Chandrashekhar.

Chandrashekhar.

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Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:57 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Dear Swee and other gurus, What to predict if contrary indications are obtained

in the charts of male and female.For example, lets assumeM- F- F- M for male

native andM- M- M- F for female native.Does this mean they will have only one

child since only the sex of first child is the same for both or should we

consider the strength of concerned lords in both charts? There are many

combinations given in classics - by having copulation during calculared

muhurtas, a child of desired sex can be had. Also there are remedies mentioned

in BPHS (for curse of father/mother, etc which might result in lack of male

child). Has this technique been verified on a large sample space of charts to

claim accuracy? If this is 100% accurate, then I will have to assume that the

muhurta calculations for desired progeny and remedies given in BPHS for male

children are incorrect.Someone please clarify.thanks, Siva.--- In

, "Swee Chan" <swee@c...> wrote:> Dear Sai,> >

Namaste> > > saikumar [astrossk]>

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 4:53 AM> >

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul]>

RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> > Namasthe Swee and All,> > This is what I have on

Saptamsa from the list.> > "If the Saptamsa Lagna is odd, then the first child

is> seen from the 5th house/lord and count every 3rd from> the 5th house; i.e.

1st child: 5th house, 2nd child:> 7th house, 3rd child: 9th, etc etc(5, 7, 9,

11, 1),> following the order of Mandooka Ghati. Study the> Mandooka Dasa in

BPHS and Jaimini's Upadesa to> understand this Dasa.> > Similarly if the

Saptamsa lagna is even count in> reverse, starting from the 9th house(9, 7, 5,

3, 1)."> > Should we consider this or ignore this has always been> the dilemma

for me.> > Thanks in advance for any clarifications.> > Sai> > Yes, verify this

from the Saptamsa.... an excellent study of my Saptamsa in> Hyderabad by Sanjay

Guru. He was the only person who correctly identified> and described my

children from my chart after rectification. (1 other I> tried the previous day,

did not succeed.) More below:> > Best wishes, Swee> > > For a male nativity,

subsequent children are determined from the lords of> every 3rd house from the

fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second child 7th> house lord third child from

9th house lord and fourth child from 11th house> lord and so on whereas, for a

female nativity, subsequent children are> determined from the lords of every

3rd house from the ninth, in reverse> order. i.e. the second child from 7th

house lord, third child from 5th lord> and fourth child from 3rd lord and so

on.> A male child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, (a) placed in an

odd> sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR *(b) exalted or conjoins exalted planets, or>

*© conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu (considered male planets).> A

female child is predicted, if the lord of the child is,> (a) placed in an even

sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR> (b) debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets,

or> © conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu (Considered feminine planets)

or> Saturn ( Napumsaka also)> The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords

should be treated as the Lagna> of individual> children. Take the lord as the

Lagna of specific children and predict> fortune as per dasa's.> > > --- Swee

Chan <swee@c...> wrote:> > Jaya Jagannatha> >> > Dear Chadrashekhar and

Sanjay,> >> > The lesson is given by Sanjay Guru, of which I will> > give the

excerpt here.> >> > This article is restricted to progeny only.> > SEX

DETERMINATION> > There are certain simple rules that govern the sex> >

determination of the> > children.> > For a male nativity, the first child is

determined> > by the lord of the 5th> > house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for

a female> > nativity, the first child is> > determined from the lord of the 9th

house from> > Saptamsa Lagna.> >> >> > Namaste,> >> > Swee> >> >> >

> > sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>> >

[sprabhakaran@s...]> > Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:03 AM> > To:

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta

Gurukul] Re:> > Achyuta Gurukul]> > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> >> > || Om Sri

Gurave Namah ||> >> > Dear Chandrashekar,> >> > > You have said in male chart

5th refers to child> > and 9th in female> > chart. I would like to know the

text where this is> > mentioned so that> > I can update my konwledge. I have

not found any> > reference to> > reversing houses for female charts.> >> > I am

saying this from what is taught to me. I will> > try to search for> > reference

if I will pass it when I find.> >> > >Does this mean that 3rd would be Aya

sthana for a> > female and 10th> > Matrusthana which should happen by the

reasoning you> > gave ?> >> > NO. Ayu and mother are same whether you are male

or> > female. But> > childbirth is different. Things which apply to both> > sex

should be> > seen the same way.> >> > > Perhaps you are refering to Saptamsha

charts and> > not natal chart> > that I was refering to.> >> > Yes, saptamsa is

seen to for each child.> >> > Warm Regards,> > S. Prabhakaran> >> >> >> > >

Regards,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > -> > >

sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...>> > > >

> > Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:53 PM> > > [sJC: Achyuta

Gurukul] Re: Achyuta> > Gurukul] RE:Lagna> > lord in 5th house> > >> > >> > >

Om Sri Gurave Namah> > >> > > Dear Chandrashakar,> > >> > > > Would not Sun

in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in> > 9th for Aires> > > ascendant qualify for

the shloka I have cited?> > >> > > Yes this may qualify. Look into saptamasa

and> > shadbala strength> > of> > > Jupiter to cross verify.> > >> > > > As

for the original topic,there is a line o> > thought which> > > calculates the

first born amongst relatives from> > the designated> > Bhava> > > from

Ascendant the next born from the Bhava at> > same no. of Bhava> > from> > >

designated bhava and so on. So first born will> > be indicated by> > 5th> > >

Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th)> > and so on. This> > > could

be the key to the riddle that is being> > sought.> > >> > > NO!. that way you

are calculating childs child.> > (Anyway for> > childs> > > child i.e

grandchild you should use child's lord> > as lagna).> > > Else some basics

like bhavat bhavam will be> > violated.> > > 9th house is third child. for

male chart use> > 5,7,9 etc jump 3> > houses> > > in Saptamsa as the next

child a younger sibling!> > >> > > The 5th is controlling house for children

in> > male chart and 9th> > house> > > for females. The sequence is reversed

for FEMALE> > CHARTS> > >> > > Warm Regards.> > > S. Prabhakaran> > >> > >>

> > > My poser was just to illustrate the fact that> > yogas in shlokas> >

are> > > not to be taken verbatim but the principle> > behind the yogas> >

should be> > > understood in order to arrive at correct import> > of the

sages.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > ----- Original

Message -----> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > > To:

> > > > Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM>

> > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re:> > Achyuta Gurukul]> >

RE:Lagna> > > lord in 5th house> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear

Chandrakeshar,> > > > That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can> > surely

give the> > children> > > under the circumstances below. Yet the question> >

was about the 1st> > > child..> > > > Best wishes> > > > Zoran> > >

> Chandrashekhar wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Visti,Zoran and other

Learned> > Jyotishis,If I may> > > intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the

chapter of> > Bhavaphala-5th-> > 6th> > > Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly

beget a> > Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh> > > (Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord

of the 5th> > is strong and> > Jupiter> > > is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.>

> > > -> > > > Visti Larsen> >

> > > > > > Saturday,

January 04, 2003 9:18 PM> > > > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul]

Re:> > Achyuta Gurukul]> > > RE:Lagna lord in 5th house> > > >> > > >

Hare Rama Krishna> > > >> > > >> >>

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------> > > > Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not> > assured, and the

first> > > child could be lost"> > > > Zoran: Lagnesh carry the

energy of> > Mangal (mesh is the> > first> > > rashi of Kal Purush), so his

influence as a> > Mangal could lessen> > the> > > progenic bliss, as well as

take the first child> > which is> >> === message truncated ===> > >

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