To Visti: Lagnesh in 7th and prediction by yogi Karve

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Dear Vistiji,

 

Thank you very much for your analysis. I intend to write a long mail

and hope it makes sense as I am typing it at 3am.

 

I am typing this post, about half a day after I met Yogi Karve.

For the uninitiated, Yogi Karve is a phenomenon in the world of

jyotish. He can tell the accurate birth time of a person (and events

past, present and future) using only his spiritual powers. There is

more info about his US tour in gjlist.

 

Karveji gave my birth time as 1.29pm and gave one or two personal

predictions which fully agree with ancient Vashista nadi grantha

readings (on palm leaves) that I had for me. Since he gives the

birth time & predictions by yogic power, I have full faith in it.

 

I specifically raised the issue of lagnesh in 7 and concerns about

health of my future spouse and marriage life, which he dismissed and

just said there is nothing to worry about (the nadi granthas said I

will be happily married with children till old age). The nadi

readings have given details to an amazing extent and so far they are

100% accurate in my education, career and now marriage.

 

Here is what I think:

1. If we take 1.29pm/1.32pm as the birth time, (27-09-1977, 10 N 58,

78 E 03), some of the malefic aaspects get cancelled in navamsa

(since namamsa langa changes to Sc). BTW, only deva-dutta ayanamsa

gives results for -60 that agree with Nadi grantha readings.

Otherwise 1.32 needs to be used for Lahiri. (Narasimhaji has

sometime back corroborated nadi readings from my D-60 for birth time

1.32 pm with lahiri ayanamsa).

 

Moreover, this is where Sanjayji probably went wrong in ascertaining

my birth time. To be fair to him, he worked on partial list of data

provided by me and I dont have many hard data (children, marriage,

etc., for him to rectify). So he mostly used what I reported as my

characteristics for fixing my navams lagna. He said if I have Sc as

navamsa lagna, I could have never come to SJC for learning jyotish

due to aspect of Rahu & Venus. Though all astrologers say things

need to be seen from moon aswell, they rarely apply this dictum in

reading varga charts. Since my moon is very strong - is full mooon,

has digbala, has NO kashta pala/highest ista bala and has 8 planets

in kendras to it in navams which makes it very strong compared with

navamsa lagna, moon lagna might speak more in navams than lagna in

my case.

 

2. Your logic is fully correct regarding lagnesh in 7th. It creates

hurdles in attaining the 7th house main objective (life partner).

Moreover you said 7th house is house of desires and it will cause

ups and downs. Your reasoning is fully correct, but the predictions

about mieries in life are a bit off (so far).

 

It is true that I had trouble before getting engaged. Even the nadi

reading mentioned it and specified some parihara which I did and I

assume they worked, since the hurdles are removed now.

I am a big day dreamer (I dream of being master of everything and as

a result have some emotional disappointment due to non-achievement

in many, but it didnt create ups and downs in real life). In

academics, I did fairly well (was topper in schools, went to a good

engineering program, got masters from highly reputed Univ with many

research publications, and doing ok (sofar) in a tough telecom

industry in US. While, this may not be much of an "up" events, I

dont see much "down" events so far. However, mentally, I was rarely

satisfied in anything, till I took umbrage in spirituality.

Nowadays, I nip in the bud any desire and as a result dont suffer

any dissatisfaction. Spirituality can cure lots of bad effects

indicated by grahas.

 

BTW, this is what KS Charak gives as effect of lagnesh in 7th house:

(Pg 230. Elements of Vedic astrology).

 

"If lagnesh is natural benefic:

brilliant native. good looking and good natured wife.

If lagnesh is natural malefic:

bereft of wife, poor or king. wanderer in jungles"

 

While, I dont want to call myself brilliant, I can vouch for the

second prediction above (about good looking and good natured wife).

 

3. Reg Kuja in 7, its yuti with Jupiter in 7 totally cancels out

Kuja dosha. (Kuja dosha gets cancelled with association with Jupiter

or aspected by Jupiter). Jupiter may be neecha in navams (gets NBRY

though), but it has the highest shadbala of all planets in my chart.

 

Moreover, the effect given for Guru in 7 is that the native will

surrender fully be dominated by wife, especially if Guru is lagnesh.

(which is direct opposite of what happens if Kuja is in 7th). So

they get nullified. We have the best of communication possible, and

I dont see any evidence of Mars playing spoilsport - Jupiter must

have totally cancelled out its effects. Here I find, Charak's dictum

very useful. ("If two mutually opposite indications are received,

they get cancelled.") As a result, Kuja and Guru cancel out and the

success of our communication is determined by strength of mercury

(natural karaka for communication) and its mutual placement in our

charts, which is good. Kuja in 7 is supposed to indicate sickly,

poor, quarrelsome native, and death of wife. I havent been to a

doctor in last 1.5 yrs and have a huge circle of friends and dont

remember being called quarrelsome (due to mercury effect?). If the

indications on health and character gets nullified due to strong

Jupiter and favourbale Mercury, wouldnt the other effects of Kuja

also wont get modified due to yuti with Jupiter and rasi drishti

from moon and sun (9th lord)?

 

4. My financee's chart has many factors which even out some of the

problems in mine. She has exalted Jupiter, and most other planets in

their own sign or in vargottama position and almost all planets in

friendly navams. She has vargottama dhanus lagna and has strong

indicators for longivity (many yogas for longivity and I believe she

will outlive me). I am reluctant to give her birth details over a

public list for reasons of privacy. If you are interested in taking

a look and more details about my nadi readings, I can send to you

personal mail.

 

5. Another factor is that both the nadi granthas and Karveji (he

just hinted - he does go into too much details unless very

necessary) are of the opinion that only after marriage, I will have

prosperity and stability in life. (may be karaka for marriage and

happiness - Venus is in 9th and in friendly navams? Venus is in 9th

in navamsa too and it is lord of 7 and 12 in navams).

 

6. BTW, one of my close relatives has lagnesh (Sani) in 5th, joined

by Ketu!! The karaka for children (2nd and 11th lord) is neecha and

retrograde in 12th house. While most astrologers said she will never

have children, nadi granthas said she will have but only after

certain remedies and some medical help. She had her child after

difficulties, minor medical healph, and after performing all

remedies prescribed in nadi readings. The nadi said the child will

have a long life and be healthy. I checked her case with Karveji

(especially after the lagnesh in 5th discussion) and he confirmed

the nadis that the child will have a long healthy life (but will

have minor health issues till age 3).

 

Just like most raj yogas dont materialize fully, (otherwise we will

have millions of kings around), most malefic combinations also dont

give the literal effect as suggested in classics. Grahas, lagnas,

etc are symbolisms devised by rishis to show the karmic effect on a

person. It is very difficult for humans without divine/yogic powers

to fully grasp what these karmic symbolisms exactly convey and to

what extent free-will, effort, modern science play a role. So,

taking gloom and doom thumb rules written for an aduience in pre-

scientific era (lack of medical help for progeny, for example) may

not work in all cases. I would like to quote Dr. K.S. Charak here:

"Astrology texts use a strong language to describe effects of yogas.

If they are applied literally to individual charts, the predictions

often go wrong".

 

Since SJC encourages heavy use of varga charts, special lagnas,

etc., which are very very sensitive to birth time changes. Birth

time rectification, etc are full of pitfalls and even legends like

BV Raman have made mistakes (BVR's infamous prediction that Clinton

would loose the 1992 election by wrong birth time rectification). My

case proved that even our Guruji is not immune to human errors. You

made clever diagnosis using my

 

Another thing is to avoid literal use of thumb rules given in

classics. Some thumb rules (with respect to marriage ages are

outright ridiculous. For eg, classics say if Mercury is in 11th

house, the native marriage at age 11 !!!!).

 

> Astamesh is Moon, who is joined Ketu in Meena, showing many

>undiagnosable diseases and troubles to the spouse.

 

Doesnt Parasara say luminaries are unafflicted due to 8th house

lordship? I am so far healthy. The only problem due to Ketu is skin

problems (i get easily infected from public pools, etc and acne when

I was in teens and mild dandruf now!).

 

> Shukra is in yuti with Shani and Buddha in Rasi, whilst Shani is

>the Dhanesh of the Upapada, showing problems of the wife in having

>children. However as Putrapada is in the vyaaya from the Pada

>Lagna, you may not be interested in children at all.

 

I am interested in children and my fiancee has 5th lord (kuja) in

5th house. Nadi readings say I will have more than one children and

they will be more successful in life than myself. Actually, my chart

has one of the yogas mentioned in BPHS for multiple children (I am

supposed to get 7/9 children as per that yoga! I forgot the yoga

definition, will dig it up when I get time).

 

> Be warned that you should not ignore the first ill-health symptoms

>of your spouse, as then it may be too late. This danger is there as

>the dhanesh from Upapada(cap) is in the vyaaya from Pada Lagna.

 

While the logic is very correct, and I very much appreciate your

frankness and concern in cautioning me, these observations are not

corroborated in her chart or in nadi readings or by Karveji. Any

idea why? May be use of dispositors and nakshatra lords might throw

more light! Btw, I take heart that my fiancee is a doctor and is

health conscious.

 

Reg gems, as you recommended, reducing effect of rahu is a good

point. Ramdas Raoji suggested that i wear yellow sapphire (to

strengthen Jupiter). A strong langesh nullifies many effects of

langesh in 7th and also strong Guru cancells kuja's effect in 7th

and reduces the power of Rahu. He also suggested Red coral for my

fiancee, as Kuja is her 5th lord (aries). We intend to follow his

advise. Vedic Remedies by Guruji says about use of Saptaratna for

progeny and increase of life force. In the future, if there is a

need for it, I might suggest her to wear one.

 

thanks and regards,

-Siva.

 

, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> -

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>

> Dear Siva,

> "If Lagna Lord is in the 2nd house, the native is scholarly,

wealthy, happy, religious, honourable and passionate. Progenic bliss

will be hard to obtain."

>

> Judge for yourself. It seems to apply very well with the Putra

bhava, or maybe we're missing something here?

>

> You have Lagnesh Guru in the Kalatra bhava, which causes a delay

in marriage (badhakesh of the 7th). Its joined Mangal, causing ill

health of the spouse, or many fights. You will also dominate over

your spouse.

>

> Astamesh is Moon, who is joined Ketu in Meena, showing many

undiagnosable diseases and troubles to the spouse.

>

> Shukra is in yuti with Shani and Buddha in Rasi, whilst Shani is

the Dhanesh of the Upapada, showing problems of the wife in having

children. However as Putrapada is in the vyaaya from the Pada Lagna,

you may not be interested in children at all.

>

> Be warned that you should not ignore the first ill-health symptoms

of your spouse, as then it may be too late. This danger is there as

the dhanesh from Upapada(cap) is in the vyaaya from Pada Lagna.

>

> Lagna is vargottama, and Shukra is in yuti with Rahu in the

Ashtaamsa (8th house), and this can pose a problem, as Mangal also

has graha dristi on Shukra.

>

> The remedy is abit tricky gem-wise, as

> 1) Your newly engaged, hence Emerald should not be worn.

> 2) Wearing silver will cause you many expenses.

> 3) Lessening the power of Rahu - using Gomedh might work, but

should be avoided amongst Jyotishis.

>

> So to begin with, i will advise you to fast on days of your

Upapada, so you don't miss the symptoms.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti