[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

January 4, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Zoran,

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost" Zoran:

Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first rashi of Kal Purush), so

his influence as a Mangal could lessen the progenic bliss, as well as take the

first child which is particulalry signified by the 5th house

Actually the Sun is Karaka for Lagna, and Sun in the 5th house can cause

miscarriages. The reason is that the Agni of the Sun and the water needed to

sustain childbirths, cause dryness or excess heat, which results in

miscarriages, similar to the effects of planets being in Gandanta.

Similarly Mars in the 5th can cause miscarriages due to excess bleeding.

As for blessings from elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is enough for this.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

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Zoran Radosavljevic

Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Visti and other members, I shall try to explain why

these influences as given to Parashara: Dear Sarajit,The results of the Lagna

lord in the 5th house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss is not assured,

and the first child could be lost. The native is honourable, friendly,

short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but tends to serve others." Best

wishes Visti-

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost" Zoran:

Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first rashi of Kal Purush), so

his influence as a Mangal could lessen the progenic bliss, as well as take the

first child which is particulalry signified by the 5th house " The native is

honorable" Zoran: 5th lord in a natural zodiac belongs to Surya while Karaka is

Guru. So the person would be blessed by Surya and Guru. Further, Arudha Lagna

would fall into the 9th house of honour and divine blessings, while Lagnesh

would at the same time fall in the 9th house from arudha Lagna. " The native is

friendly" This comes from Guru which is karaka for 5th house and above mentioned

Arudha. Why Friendly? Like Shri Mahavishnu, who is always friendly towards

human... "short tempered" Zoran: This is the infleunce of Surya as the 5th lord

in Kal Purush. Surya is Pitta Graha and is short tempered " Favourite of the

rulers, but tends to serve others" Zoran: Favourite of the rulers is due to

Surya, karaka Guru, and Arudha Lagna in 9th house. The question about serving

others can be spiritually comprehended due to the above infleunces. If we

observe this as an ordinary matter such as business/service, the 5th house

gives status and power, and never service unless graha is afflicted. If we

treat this as a govermental service, and status through the same, then this is

ok Best wishes Zoran ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC Jyotish Teacher of Shree Jagannath

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January 5, 2003

Dear Jyotishas,

Just my thought so if you dont like it just ignore it. The tone of

this recent discussion/argument doesn't sound very mature. We live in

a very complex world and it is not possible for we mortal humans to

understand its complexities inspite of whatever sources of knowledge

are available to us physically. Since we live in a physical world we

should also pay attention to people who have made an effort to

understand it and I feel Einstein deserves some say although Edison

has most of the inventions which make our living today as comfortable

as it is (over a thousand inventions is no easy task).

Einstein never could accept the randomness of quantum theory: "God

does not play dice." Reality does not lie within our grasp; our

senses and our mathematical knowledge gives us a grasp of only some

parts of reality.

And most importantly he said "Physical concepts are free creations of

the human mind, and are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined

by the external world. In our endeavour to understand reality we are

somewhat like a man trying to understand the mechanism of a closed

watch. He sees the face and the moving hands, even hears it ticking,

but he has no way of opening the case. If he is ingenious he may form

some picture of the mechanism which could be responsible for all the

things he observes, but he may never be quite sure his picture is the

only one which could explain his observations. He will never be able

to compare his picture with the real mechanism and he cannot even

imagine the possibility of the meaning of such a comparison."

Please dont read the above para just like that.. there is something

profound in it... each and every word in it means..

So I feel is that whatever we have at hand today in any form to

understand the "Reality" is again one of the endeavors... There have

been various people with various reach to "reality" in this world and

have tried to leave some knowledge behind for us mortals to

understand, although that in no way will ever give us access to "The

Knowledge" ... what the bodhi vriksh gave to bhagwaan bhudhha or lord

krishna gave to arjuna..

We do have a mathematical model to understand human life and probably

in its sanskrit actuality it may explain everything we want to

understand, but with translations and interpretations the meanings

can change, linguistics is like that.. and this thing is actually

beyond linguistics too.

I am just a beginner and I think I have said a lot.. so Gurus please

pardon me.. It was just the tone of the discussion which prompted me

too..

Always looking forward to learn from all of you..

Shiv

January 5, 2003

Dear Chandrakeshar,

That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can surely give the children under

the circumstances below. Yet the question was about the 1st child..

Best wishes

Zoran

Chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear

Visti,Zoran and other Learned Jyotishis,If

I may intervene,Jataka Parijat says in the chapter of Bhavaphala-5th-6th

Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly beget a Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh(Lord

of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th is strong and Jupiter is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

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Visti Larsen

Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18

PM

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Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Hare

Rama Krishna

Dear Zoran, "Progenic

bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost"

Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first rashi

of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen the progenic

bliss, as well as take the first child which is particulalry signified

by the 5th houseActually the Sun

is Karaka for Lagna, and Sun in the 5th house can cause miscarriages. The

reason is that the Agni of the Sun and the water needed to sustain childbirths,

cause dryness or excess heat, which results in miscarriages, similar to

the effects of planets being in Gandanta. Similarly

Mars in the 5th can cause miscarriages due to excess bleeding. As

for blessings from elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is enough for this. Best

wishes

Visti

---

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: vedic astrologybphs.zip

iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

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Zoran Radosavljevic

Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11

PM

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Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Om Namo Narayanaya,

Dear Visti and other members,

I shall try to explain why these influences as given to Parashara:

Dear

Sarajit,The results of the Lagna lord in the 5th house are repeated as

follows: "Progenic

bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost. The native is

honourable, friendly, short-tempered and a favorite of the rulers, but

tends to serve others." Best wishes

Visti-

"Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost"

Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first rashi

of Kal Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen the progenic

bliss, as well as take the first child which is particulalry signified

by the 5th house

" The native is honorable"

Zoran: 5th lord in a natural zodiac belongs to Surya while Karaka is

Guru. So the person would be blessed by Surya and Guru. Further, Arudha

Lagna would fall into the 9th house of honour and divine blessings, while

Lagnesh would at the same time fall in the 9th house from arudha Lagna.

" The native is friendly"

This comes from Guru which is karaka for 5th house and above mentioned

Arudha. Why Friendly? Like Shri Mahavishnu, who is always friendly towards

human...

"short tempered"

Zoran: This is the infleunce of Surya as the 5th lord in Kal Purush.

Surya is Pitta Graha and is short tempered

" Favourite of the rulers, but tends to serve others"

Zoran: Favourite of the rulers is due to Surya, karaka Guru, and Arudha

Lagna in 9th house. The question about serving others can be spiritually

comprehended due to the above infleunces. If we observe this as an ordinary

matter such as business/service, the 5th house gives status and power,

and never service unless graha is afflicted. If we treat this as a govermental

service, and status through the same, then this is ok

Best wishes

Zoran

ZORAN RADOSAVLJEVIC

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January 6, 2003

Talking about "The Knowledge", one of the things my guru used to tell about my

childrens and me was about our past lives, just by touching a fingure (anamika)

with his fingure. He never told us how he did that. Now he has passed away, and

I wonder how one can achieve that ability.

Regards,Sadashiv.

"shivkulhari <shivkulhari >" <shivkulhari > wrote:

Dear Jyotishas,Just my thought so if you dont like it just ignore it. The tone

of this recent discussion/argument doesn't sound very mature. We live in a very

complex world and it is not possible for we mortal humans to understand its

complexities inspite of whatever sources of knowledge are available to us

physically. Since we live in a physical world we should also pay attention to

people who have made an effort to understand it and I feel Einstein deserves

some say although Edison has most of the inventions which make our living today

as comfortable as it is (over a thousand inventions is no easy task).Einstein

never could accept the randomness of quantum theory: "God does not play dice."

Reality does not lie within our grasp; our senses and our mathematical

knowledge gives us a grasp of only some parts of reality. And most importantly

he said "Physical concepts are free creations of the human mind, and are not,

however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external world. In our

endeavour to understand reality we are somewhat like a man trying to understand

the mechanism of a closed watch. He sees the face and the moving hands, even

hears it ticking, but he has no way of opening the case. If he is ingenious he

may form some picture of the mechanism which could be responsible for all the

things he observes, but he may never be quite sure his picture is the only one

which could explain his observations. He will never be able to compare his

picture with the real mechanism and he cannot even imagine the possibility of

the meaning of such a comparison."Please dont read the above para just like

that.. there is something profound in it... each and every word in it means..So

I feel is that whatever we have at hand today in any form to understand the

"Reality" is again one of the endeavors... There have been various people with

various reach to "reality" in this world and have tried to leave some knowledge

behind for us mortals to understand, although that in no way will ever give us

access to "The Knowledge" ... what the bodhi vriksh gave to bhagwaan bhudhha or

lord krishna gave to arjuna.. We do have a mathematical model to understand

human life and probably in its sanskrit actuality it may explain everything we

want to understand, but with translations and interpretations the meanings can

change, linguistics is like that.. and this thing is actually beyond

linguistics too.I am just a beginner and I think I have said a lot.. so Gurus

please pardon me.. It was just the tone of the discussion which prompted me

too.. Always looking forward to learn from all of you..Shiv[Om Kleem Krishnaaya

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January 6, 2003

Dear Zoran,

Would not Sun in 5th with Mars and Jupiter in 9th for Aires ascendant qualify

for the shloka I have cited?

As for the original topic,there is a line o thought which calculates the first

born amongst relatives from the designated Bhava from Ascendant the next born

from the Bhava at same no. of Bhava from designated bhava and so on. So first

born will be indicated by 5th Bhava the second born by 9th house(5th from 5th)

and so on. This could be the key to the riddle that is being sought.

My poser was just to illustrate the fact that yogas in shlokas are not to be

taken verbatim but the principle behind the yogas should be understood in order

to arrive at correct import of the sages.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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Zoran Radosavljevic

Monday, January 06, 2003 5:38 AM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th house

Dear Chandrakeshar, That is correct. Lagnesh in the 5th can surely give the

children under the circumstances below. Yet the question was about the 1st

child.. Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar wrote:

Dear Visti,Zoran and other Learned Jyotishis,If I may intervene,Jataka Parijat

says in the chapter of Bhavaphala-5th-6th Bhava shloka17"One shall certainly

beget a Son(Progeny) if Lagnesh(Lord of Ascendant) is in 5th, lord of the 5th

is strong and Jupiter is Bali(Strong).Chandrashekhar.

-

Visti Larsen

Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:18 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th

house Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Zoran, "Progenic bliss is not assured, and the first child could be lost"

Zoran: Lagnesh carry the energy of Mangal (mesh is the first rashi of Kal

Purush), so his influence as a Mangal could lessen the progenic bliss, as well

as take the first child which is particulalry signified by the 5th

houseActually the Sun is Karaka for Lagna, and Sun in the 5th house can cause

miscarriages. The reason is that the Agni of the Sun and the water needed to

sustain childbirths, cause dryness or excess heat, which results in

miscarriages, similar to the effects of planets being in Gandanta. Similarly

Mars in the 5th can cause miscarriages due to excess bleeding. As for blessings

from elders, Arudha Lagna in the 9th is enough for this. Best wishes Visti ---

Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

Zoran Radosavljevic

Saturday, January 04, 2003 3:11 PM

Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] RE:Lagna lord in 5th

house Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Visti and other members, I shall try to explain

why these influences as given to Parashara: Dear Sarajit,The results of the

Lagna lord in the 5th house are repeated as follows: "Progenic bliss is not

assured, and the first child could be lost. The native is honourable, friendly,