[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] To Visti: Lagnesh in 7th and prediction by yogi Karve

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"schinnas " wrote:

 

> Dear Vistiji,

> I will send a mail to your personal email regarding my D-60 and

> birth details of my financee.

>

> Karveji gives local time only (in my case IST). I read it from KN

> Rao's article.

>

> Reg gems, I will heed your advise and hold off buying the yellow

> sapphire. In any case, I intended to wear it only after marriage

> and not before it. But I hope you will concur with Ramdas Raoji's

> recommendation of red coral for my fiancee.

>

> Later today, I will post the nadi readings regarding my education

> and how amazingly accurate it proved to be. Visti or any gurus can

> try to corroborate it from my chart. Might be a good case study reg

> the amount of details one can get.

>

> Reg Guru Sanjayji's previous rectification of my birth time, the

> fault is on me. I should have given him my nadi readings but instead

> I gave him what I thought were my strong personality traits (many of

> which may be environmental or due to free will - my devotion to Lord

> Shiva and Karthikeya/Muruga), and I now realize I left out some

> other info, which I then thought unimportant, but now realize my

> mistake. It might have led him to fix my navams lagna as Sc.

>

> This actually points out to the importance of fixing birth time

> based on solid events such as marriage, children, birth/death of

> relatives, etc. Unfortunately, I gave no solid dates/events for

> Sanjayji to work with. I humbly suggest fellow list members to give

> some hard factual info (rather than what we assume to be our

> personality traits) to jyotishis for birth time rectification.

>

> Thanks.

> -Siva.

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

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> > Dear Siva,

> > Comments to your long mail bellow.

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

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> > schinnas <schinnas>

> >

> > Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:03 AM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] To Visti: Lagnesh in 7th and

> prediction by yogi Karve

> >

> >

> > Dear Vistiji,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your analysis. I intend to write a long

> mail

> > and hope it makes sense as I am typing it at 3am.

> >

> > I am typing this post, about half a day after I met Yogi

> Karve.

> > For the uninitiated, Yogi Karve is a phenomenon in the world of

> > jyotish. He can tell the accurate birth time of a person (and

> events

> > past, present and future) using only his spiritual powers. There

> is

> > more info about his US tour in gjlist.

> >

> > Visti: Thx

> >

> > Karveji gave my birth time as 1.29pm and gave one or two

> personal

> > predictions which fully agree with ancient Vashista nadi grantha

> > readings (on palm leaves) that I had for me. Since he gives the

> > birth time & predictions by yogic power, I have full faith in it.

> >

> > Visti: LMT or IST? The soul only knows Local Time, we proved

> this in some experiments in Ireland.

> >

> > I specifically raised the issue of lagnesh in 7 and concerns

> about

> > health of my future spouse and marriage life, which he dismissed

> and

> > just said there is nothing to worry about (the nadi granthas

> said I

> > will be happily married with children till old age). The nadi

> > readings have given details to an amazing extent and so far they

> are

> > 100% accurate in my education, career and now marriage.

> >

> > Here is what I think:

> > 1. If we take 1.29pm/1.32pm as the birth time, (27-09-1977, 10 N

> 58,

> > 78 E 03), some of the malefic aaspects get cancelled in navamsa

> > (since namamsa langa changes to Sc). BTW, only deva-dutta

> ayanamsa

> > gives results for -60 that agree with Nadi grantha readings.

> > Otherwise 1.32 needs to be used for Lahiri. (Narasimhaji has

> > sometime back corroborated nadi readings from my D-60 for birth

> time

> > 1.32 pm with lahiri ayanamsa).

> >

> > Visti: Can u confirm the Shastyamsa Lagna?

> >

> > Moreover, this is where Sanjayji probably went wrong in

> ascertaining

> > my birth time. To be fair to him, he worked on partial list of

> data

> > provided by me and I dont have many hard data (children,

> marriage,

> > etc., for him to rectify). So he mostly used what I reported as

> my

> > characteristics for fixing my navams lagna. He said if I have Sc

> as

> > navamsa lagna, I could have never come to SJC for learning

> jyotish

> > due to aspect of Rahu & Venus. Though all astrologers say things

> > need to be seen from moon aswell, they rarely apply this dictum

> in

> > reading varga charts. Since my moon is very strong - is full

> mooon,

> > has digbala, has NO kashta pala/highest ista bala and has 8

> planets

> > in kendras to it in navams which makes it very strong compared

> with

> > navamsa lagna, moon lagna might speak more in navams than lagna

> in

> > my case.

> >

> > Visti: The Chandra Lagna is used for different purposes,

> Gurudevas approach is right. I might add that Cancer tends to remove

> the blemmish of Rahu, and is the reason we worship Durga to remove

> problems of Rahu. So in this case i don't see the problem of Rahu in

> the 9th, as its also with the Istha Devata Graha - Venus.

> >

> > 2. Your logic is fully correct regarding lagnesh in 7th. It

> creates

> > hurdles in attaining the 7th house main objective (life

> partner).

> > Moreover you said 7th house is house of desires and it will

> cause

> > ups and downs. Your reasoning is fully correct, but the

> predictions

> > about mieries in life are a bit off (so far).

> >

> > It is true that I had trouble before getting engaged. Even the

> nadi

> > reading mentioned it and specified some parihara which I did and

> I

> > assume they worked, since the hurdles are removed now.

> > I am a big day dreamer (I dream of being master of everything

> and as

> > a result have some emotional disappointment due to non-

> achievement

> > in many, but it didnt create ups and downs in real life). In

> > academics, I did fairly well (was topper in schools, went to a

> good

> > engineering program, got masters from highly reputed Univ with

> many

> > research publications, and doing ok (sofar) in a tough telecom

> > industry in US. While, this may not be much of an "up" events, I

> > dont see much "down" events so far. However, mentally, I was

> rarely

> > satisfied in anything, till I took umbrage in spirituality.

> > Nowadays, I nip in the bud any desire and as a result dont

> suffer

> > any dissatisfaction. Spirituality can cure lots of bad effects

> > indicated by grahas.

> >

> > BTW, this is what KS Charak gives as effect of lagnesh in 7th

> house:

> > (Pg 230. Elements of Vedic astrology).

> >

> > "If lagnesh is natural benefic:

> > brilliant native. good looking and good natured wife.

> > If lagnesh is natural malefic:

> > bereft of wife, poor or king. wanderer in jungles"

> >

> > While, I dont want to call myself brilliant, I can vouch for the

> > second prediction above (about good looking and good natured

> wife).

> >

> > 3. Reg Kuja in 7, its yuti with Jupiter in 7 totally cancels out

> > Kuja dosha. (Kuja dosha gets cancelled with association with

> Jupiter

> > or aspected by Jupiter). Jupiter may be neecha in navams (gets

> NBRY

> > though), but it has the highest shadbala of all planets in my

> chart.

> >

> > Visti: Do have a special note here. There is no Kuja Dosha,

> but Lagna lord is in the 7th and is joined Mars. so 1) Lagna lord in

> the 7th makes one dominate over the spouse, or attempt to control

> her, especially if malefics are there. 2) Your attitude towards your

> spouse is colored by martian energy.

> >

> > Moreover, the effect given for Guru in 7 is that the native will

> > surrender fully be dominated by wife, especially if Guru is

> lagnesh.

> > (which is direct opposite of what happens if Kuja is in 7th). So

> > they get nullified. We have the best of communication possible,

> and

> > I dont see any evidence of Mars playing spoilsport - Jupiter

> must

> > have totally cancelled out its effects. Here I find, Charak's

> dictum

> > very useful. ("If two mutually opposite indications are

> received,

> > they get cancelled.") As a result, Kuja and Guru cancel out and

> the

> > success of our communication is determined by strength of

> mercury

> > (natural karaka for communication) and its mutual placement in

> our

> > charts, which is good. Kuja in 7 is supposed to indicate sickly,

> > poor, quarrelsome native, and death of wife. I havent been to a

> > doctor in last 1.5 yrs and have a huge circle of friends and

> dont

> > remember being called quarrelsome (due to mercury effect?). If

> the

> > indications on health and character gets nullified due to strong

> > Jupiter and favourbale Mercury, wouldnt the other effects of

> Kuja

> > also wont get modified due to yuti with Jupiter and rasi drishti

> > from moon and sun (9th lord)?

> >

> > Visti: Regarding your relations with your wife, we are yet to

> see the effects, as your not married yet.

> >

> > 4. My financee's chart has many factors which even out some of

> the

> > problems in mine. She has exalted Jupiter, and most other

> planets in

> > their own sign or in vargottama position and almost all planets

> in

> > friendly navams. She has vargottama dhanus lagna and has strong

> > indicators for longivity (many yogas for longivity and I believe

> she

> > will outlive me). I am reluctant to give her birth details over

> a

> > public list for reasons of privacy. If you are interested in

> taking

> > a look and more details about my nadi readings, I can send to

> you

> > personal mail.

> >

> > Visti: PLEASE DO!

> >

> > 5. Another factor is that both the nadi granthas and Karveji (he

> > just hinted - he does go into too much details unless very

> > necessary) are of the opinion that only after marriage, I will

> have

> > prosperity and stability in life. (may be karaka for marriage

> and

> > happiness - Venus is in 9th and in friendly navams? Venus is in

> 9th

> > in navamsa too and it is lord of 7 and 12 in navams).

> >

> > Visti: You will have alot of Raja Yoga, due to Mercury being

> associated with the 7th house, 7th from Hora Lagna and 7th from

> Ghati Lagna. Hence after the event of marriage it brings Raja Yoga.

> >

> > 6. BTW, one of my close relatives has lagnesh (Sani) in 5th,

> joined

> > by Ketu!! The karaka for children (2nd and 11th lord) is neecha

> and

> > retrograde in 12th house. While most astrologers said she will

> never

> > have children, nadi granthas said she will have but only after

> > certain remedies and some medical help. She had her child after

> > difficulties, minor medical healph, and after performing all

> > remedies prescribed in nadi readings. The nadi said the child

> will

> > have a long life and be healthy. I checked her case with Karveji

> > (especially after the lagnesh in 5th discussion) and he

> confirmed

> > the nadis that the child will have a long healthy life (but will

> > have minor health issues till age 3).

> >

> > Just like most raj yogas dont materialize fully, (otherwise we

> will

> > have millions of kings around), most malefic combinations also

> dont

> > give the literal effect as suggested in classics. Grahas,

> lagnas,

> > etc are symbolisms devised by rishis to show the karmic effect

> on a

> > person. It is very difficult for humans without divine/yogic

> powers

> > to fully grasp what these karmic symbolisms exactly convey and

> to

> > what extent free-will, effort, modern science play a role. So,

> > taking gloom and doom thumb rules written for an aduience in pre-

> > scientific era (lack of medical help for progeny, for example)

> may

> > not work in all cases. I would like to quote Dr. K.S. Charak

> here:

> > "Astrology texts use a strong language to describe effects of

> yogas.

> > If they are applied literally to individual charts, the

> predictions

> > often go wrong".

> >

> > Since SJC encourages heavy use of varga charts, special lagnas,

> > etc., which are very very sensitive to birth time changes. Birth

> > time rectification, etc are full of pitfalls and even legends

> like

> > BV Raman have made mistakes (BVR's infamous prediction that

> Clinton

> > would loose the 1992 election by wrong birth time

> rectification). My

> > case proved that even our Guruji is not immune to human errors.

> You

> > made clever diagnosis using my

> >

> > Another thing is to avoid literal use of thumb rules given in

> > classics. Some thumb rules (with respect to marriage ages are

> > outright ridiculous. For eg, classics say if Mercury is in 11th

> > house, the native marriage at age 11 !!!!).

> >

> > Visti: We need to understand them first, otherwise why would

> the rishis write such things? the Naisargika Dasa for Venus is

> between 12-32 years, so the 11th year is prior to the marital years

> and ages of sexual maturity. Its well known that a weak Mercury can

> give sexual experiences at a very young age.

> >

> > > Astamesh is Moon, who is joined Ketu in Meena, showing many

> > >undiagnosable diseases and troubles to the spouse.

> >

> > Doesnt Parasara say luminaries are unafflicted due to 8th house

> > lordship? I am so far healthy. The only problem due to Ketu is

> skin

> > problems (i get easily infected from public pools, etc and acne

> when

> > I was in teens and mild dandruf now!).

> >

> > Visti: I was referring to your spouse.

> >

> > > Shukra is in yuti with Shani and Buddha in Rasi, whilst Shani

> is

> > >the Dhanesh of the Upapada, showing problems of the wife in

> having

> > >children. However as Putrapada is in the vyaaya from the Pada

> > >Lagna, you may not be interested in children at all.

> >

> > I am interested in children and my fiancee has 5th lord (kuja)

> in

> > 5th house. Nadi readings say I will have more than one children

> and

> > they will be more successful in life than myself. Actually, my

> chart

> > has one of the yogas mentioned in BPHS for multiple children (I

> am

> > supposed to get 7/9 children as per that yoga! I forgot the yoga

> > definition, will dig it up when I get time).

> >

> > > Be warned that you should not ignore the first ill-health

> symptoms

> > >of your spouse, as then it may be too late. This danger is

> there as

> > >the dhanesh from Upapada(cap) is in the vyaaya from Pada Lagna.

> >

> > While the logic is very correct, and I very much appreciate your

> > frankness and concern in cautioning me, these observations are

> not

> > corroborated in her chart or in nadi readings or by Karveji. Any

> > idea why? May be use of dispositors and nakshatra lords might

> throw

> > more light! Btw, I take heart that my fiancee is a doctor and is

> > health conscious.

> >

> > Reg gems, as you recommended, reducing effect of rahu is a good

> > point. Ramdas Raoji suggested that i wear yellow sapphire (to

> > strengthen Jupiter). A strong langesh nullifies many effects of

> > langesh in 7th and also strong Guru cancells kuja's effect in

> 7th

> > and reduces the power of Rahu. He also suggested Red coral for

> my

> > fiancee, as Kuja is her 5th lord (aries). We intend to follow

> his

> > advise. Vedic Remedies by Guruji says about use of Saptaratna

> for

> > progeny and increase of life force. In the future, if there is a

> > need for it, I might suggest her to wear one.

> >

> > Visti: I didn't recommend Yellow Saffire as Jupiter is

> Badhakesh for the 7th house. Could delay the marriage further, as

> this is the reason for the delay in marriage.

> >

> > thanks and regards,

> > -Siva.

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen"

> <vishnu@l...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> > >

> > > Dear Siva,

> > > "If Lagna Lord is in the 2nd house, the native is scholarly,

> > wealthy, happy, religious, honourable and passionate. Progenic

> bliss

> > will be hard to obtain."

> > >

> > > Judge for yourself. It seems to apply very well with the Putra

> > bhava, or maybe we're missing something here?

> > >

> > > You have Lagnesh Guru in the Kalatra bhava, which causes a

> delay

> > in marriage (badhakesh of the 7th). Its joined Mangal, causing

> ill

> > health of the spouse, or many fights. You will also dominate

> over

> > your spouse.

> > >

> > > Astamesh is Moon, who is joined Ketu in Meena, showing many

> > undiagnosable diseases and troubles to the spouse.

> > >

> > > Shukra is in yuti with Shani and Buddha in Rasi, whilst Shani

> is

> > the Dhanesh of the Upapada, showing problems of the wife in

> having

> > children. However as Putrapada is in the vyaaya from the Pada

> Lagna,

> > you may not be interested in children at all.

> > >

> > > Be warned that you should not ignore the first ill-health

> symptoms

> > of your spouse, as then it may be too late. This danger is there

> as

> > the dhanesh from Upapada(cap) is in the vyaaya from Pada Lagna.

> > >

> > > Lagna is vargottama, and Shukra is in yuti with Rahu in the

> > Ashtaamsa (8th house), and this can pose a problem, as Mangal

> also

> > has graha dristi on Shukra.

> > >

> > > The remedy is abit tricky gem-wise, as

> > > 1) Your newly engaged, hence Emerald should not be worn.

> > > 2) Wearing silver will cause you many expenses.

> > > 3) Lessening the power of Rahu - using Gomedh might work, but

> > should be avoided amongst Jyotishis.

> > >

> > > So to begin with, i will advise you to fast on days of your

> > Upapada, so you don't miss the symptoms.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

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