SJC-Hyd. Meeting on May 25, 2003

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|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

Namaste,

The next meeting of SJC-Hyderabad study group will be held on on May. 25, 2003,

at 11 AM, at my house.

The subject remains unchanged – TOB rectification.

We will first try to come to a conclusion about Narsing Rao’s chart, and discuss

the feed-back, if any, recd from the lists.

After that, we will discuss chart of a member, details of which are given at the bottom.

Please come prepared for discussion on both the charts.

Any list-members, living in or around Hyderabad/ Secunderabad are welcome to

join us. You may contact me for directions, etc, thruogh a personal email/

telephone.

With best wishes,

Shailesh

Shailesh C. Chadha

"Kul kunj", New No. 1081, Ground floor

St No. 14 Central Excise Colony

[Old No. 2-2-185/56/6 Soma Sundara Nagar]

Bagh Amberpet, Hyd 500 013

Tel No. ® 2760 5631, (M) 5653 4837, (O) 2 773 3478

 

NEW CHART

 

My DOB is 09-05-1979 , 00:11(/12) hrs at Anakapalle 17N41 83E03.

 

I am eldest of three children , next Sister, last Brother.

 

My father is a Ayurvedic doctor in my native village, he is very interested in Dharmic activities.

 

I joined A.P. Residential School in Aug 1990 in my 8th class , which is run by

AP Govt. It was a prestigeous school then (Of course not now).

 

Since then I have been frequently changing my place of residence. In fact in

these 13 years I stayed only for one year at my home. This is a significant

change.

 

My education stopped in 1996 after getting my Diploma in Electronics & Comm

Engg. Since then , my further education is going at a snail pace. I recently

got 5th rank in ECET for JNTU B.Tech and Joined my B.Tech 1st year in Nov 2002.

 

 

My mother was seriously ill in the peroid from 1989 to 1996.

 

I got this Govt job in May 1999.

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

Namaste,

Some interesting articles/ mails are attached - I am sure you will find them

useful, especially for the topic under discussion, ie TOB Rectification.

If any other members have any similar articles/ links, please forward them to

others - all the mail-ids are in the last mail below.

Hoping to meet you all on the coming sonday, May 25th.

With best wishes,

Shailesh

- Shailesh Chadha

Sri Achyuta Group ; gjlist ; varahamihira ;

vedic astrology ; Teli Shanmukha ; T Govind Rao ; Sri Nagesh ;

Parthasarathi ; P V Ramanaiah ; Narender Kumar ; Lakshmi Ramesh ; D V Lakshmi ;

Chidananda Sarma ; Anand ; Aluru Rama Rao ; Sanjay Mohan Katta ; M Srinivas Rao

; M Venkata Chari ; Kosal Ram ; Karthik Kumar ; Jagannathan, KR ; G P Rao

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:15 AM

SJC-Hyd. Meeting on May 25, 2003

|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

Namaste,

The next meeting of SJC-Hyderabad study group will be held on on May. 25, 2003,

at 11 AM, at my house.

The subject remains unchanged – TOB rectification.

We will first try to come to a conclusion about Narsing Rao’s chart, and discuss

the feed-back, if any, recd from the lists.

After that, we will discuss chart of a member, details of which are given at the bottom.

Please come prepared for discussion on both the charts.

Any list-members, living in or around Hyderabad/ Secunderabad are welcome to

join us. You may contact me for directions, etc, thruogh a personal email/

telephone.

With best wishes,

Shailesh

Shailesh C. Chadha

"Kul kunj", New No. 1081, Ground floor

St No. 14 Central Excise Colony

[Old No. 2-2-185/56/6 Soma Sundara Nagar]

Bagh Amberpet, Hyd 500 013

Tel No. ® 2760 5631, (M) 5653 4837, (O) 2 773 3478

 

NEW CHART

 

My DOB is 09-05-1979 , 00:11(/12) hrs at Anakapalle 17N41 83E03.

 

I am eldest of three children , next Sister, last Brother.

 

My father is a Ayurvedic doctor in my native village, he is very interested in Dharmic activities.

 

I joined A.P. Residential School in Aug 1990 in my 8th class , which is run by

AP Govt. It was a prestigeous school then (Of course not now).

 

Since then I have been frequently changing my place of residence. In fact in

these 13 years I stayed only for one year at my home. This is a significant

change.

 

My education stopped in 1996 after getting my Diploma in Electronics & Comm

Engg. Since then , my further education is going at a snail pace. I recently

got 5th rank in ECET for JNTU B.Tech and Joined my B.Tech 1st year in Nov 2002.

 

 

My mother was seriously ill in the peroid from 1989 to 1996.

 

I got this Govt job in May 1999.

 

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Twin BirthsA COMMENT ON TWIN BIRTHS

 

His article published in "The Express Star Teller" Magazine February 1999,

from Chennai,

India E-mail : <steller (AT) md2 (DOT) vsnl. net. in> & <kavita (AT) starteller (DOT) Com>

By "Daivagna Ratna" P. V. R. Rayudu B. E., M. Tech

 

I happen to go through the articles in EST August 1998 issue about twin

births. The editor, in the editorial, rightly pointed out "would you like

to solve the greatest puzzle of interpreting the charts of twins, born

within a few minutes of each other?". It is really the greatest puzzle and

none of the rules given will apply totally.

 

While appreciating the articles by S. P. Pahwa, E. K. Dilipkumar and S. S.

Gola on twins, I find some discrepancies while applying their rules to the

6 twin charts dealt with in their three articles.

 

The rule that Sun in a quadruped sign of the native to be born as one of the

twins is found only in one chart given by Dilipkumar(Sun 24. 54 in the

quadruped sign of second part of Sagittarius)out of the 6 charts given. The

second rule is that the other planets (or many planets) occupy (usually) the

dual signs and in the 6 charts given, in the first chart there are no planets,

in the second & fourth charts there are 3 planets, in the third chart there

are 6 planets, in the fifth chart there are four planets and in the last

chart there are five planets, in the dual signs. The third rule that the

3rd & 11th lords will be well connected as given by Dilipkumar is not

found in the charts given by Pahwa & Gola.

 

The rule given by Pahwa is that if the lords of the 1st & 5th houses are

together in kendra in association with a benefic planet and the lord of the

2nd house strong, the native may be blessed with twin boys. This condition is

not found in the given charts of the parents of the twins, showing only the

influence of male planets without specifically mentioning the reason for twin

births to the parents. It is also mentioned by Pahwa to note in the twin

charts the position of Jupiter, Sun. Mars & Saturn in Sthira rasis and this

is not found in one of his charts and the other charts given by Dilip & Gola.

It is not understood why he also stated to note the conjunction of 4

planets with Rahu in Scorpio in one of the twin charts. The question of death

of one of the twins is anyway not dealt with.

 

Mr. Dilipkumar dealt with Dasamsa chart only for profession and had not

analysed the important aspect why one of the twins got married and blessed

with a son and the other twin is not married so far as on date. Dr. Gola

also had not given why the elder twin got married on 12 July 1995 while

the other got married in Feb 1998 and dealt with Saptamsa chart of elder

twin only for late birth of a daughter on 12 July 1997. The authors had not

given more of the past events of the twins regarding the details of their

parents, coborns, education, profession, marriage, children etc and also the

degrees of the planets and lagna.

 

In the given 6 charts, the birth time differences between the twins are

10, 5, 11, 10, 20 & 6 minutes respectively. As such the lagnas in divisional

charts change and it almost amounts to the discussion of separate charts

irrespective that they are twins. If the birth time difference is of a

minimum of 2 to 3 minutes, the lagna of Shashtiamsa ï 7 3 chart( 1/60

divisional chart)only will be effected and all the analysis of other charts

regarding marriage, children, profession etc will be the same. In such a case,

how to distinguish the differences of the life patterns of the twins is

really a riddle. If there is birth of two persons to different parents in

different places or on same place with a difference of 2 to 3 minutes in birth

time, then to analyze the life patterns is still a problem. Mr. Dilipkumar

correctly pointed out that we do not have the sufficient knowledge of how to

use the 16 divisional charts given by Maharishi Parasara. Imagine what

happens to the analysis if one wants to get into the Nadi Amsha psttern

(1/300 part of 6'arc or 24 seconds birth difference), where there is no

reliable literature at all about the Nadi Amshas application.

 

In my recent visit to USA to give lectures there in the conferences of the

American Federation of Astrologers and Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, on their

invitation, I found in the World Almanac that for every 3 seconds 9 births

and 6 deaths take place (the scholars can think wherefrom the other 3

births, 9 births minus 6 deaths, are coming from). In India alone, I

think that for every second a birth takes place. What happens to an

astrologer if such 3 charts with a time difference of 1 second are given at

one time for analysis? Generally, many of the astrologers are lucky enough

not to get into such a mess and hence they survive with their various

gimmicks.

 

Therefore, it is very essential to know the background of the native

regarding the details about grand parents, parents, brothers & sisters,

education, marriage, husband/wife, children, profession etc to verify the

past events, before proceeding to give other future predictions. How to

verify the past events and rectify the time of birth (including the

male/female birth) is still a riddle, in view of the differences in the

Ayanamsha by different stalwarts.

 

I do not propose to claim that I know these tricks and I am still struggling

to understand these intricacies, in spite of my study of this for the last

three decades, maintaining the birth data and life pattern events of the

known individuals. I humbly request that all astrologers should record the

past events of their clients with birth data and discuss amongst themselves

with an open and research mind so that some concrete conclusions and rules may

come out to read a chart as per the present modern times.

 

However, for the sake of those who are interested in deep research, I

give herewith three typical charts of twins with their birth data and some

known past events with birth time difference of 2 to 3 minutes. I myself

could not analyze them satisfactorily and I am keen if someone can analyze

them to suit the past events and give future predictions. I find similarity

of sounds in the names of twins. It is essential to give degrees of

planets and lagna whenever a chart is quoted along with the Vimsottari

Dasas.

 

CASE I: Two twin females, Date of birth 25 November 1967, Time of birth 10.

20 pm & 10. 23 pm, Place of birth Longitude 78. 27 East, 17. 26 North. One

elder brother;2 sisters younger/elder not known; nonbrahmin;

father retired municipal commissioner; mother house-wife. Elder twin BSc

degree, chest trouble, marriage 1989, husband conservative mind electron ï 7 3

ics engineer worked as lecturer left lecturer job in 1993 started joint

business, female child born in 1993, native continuing her beauty clinic in

India; Younger twin B. Com open university, marriage 1994, went abroad 1995,

husband open minded doctor doing MD in USA went abroad Jun 1994, she

did courses in beauty clinic in USA. (Data as on 30 April 1996).

 

The charts are as follows:

Elder /younger twin: Lagna Cancer 14. 58. 48/15. 59. 34;Leo Jupiter 11.

19. 05/11. 19. 05, Moon 17. 56. 32/17. 58. 15;Virgo Venus 23. 31. 31/23. 31.

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Libra Ketu 4. 01. 51/4. 01. 52, Mercury 21. 54. 30/21. 54. 41;Scorpio

Sun 9. 20. 16/9. 20. 34;Capricorn Mars 1. 53. 10/1. 53. 16; Pisces Saturn

retrograde 12. 24. 48/12. 24. 48;Aries Rahu 4. 01. 51/4. 51. 02. Ayanamsha 23.

24. 22.

Dasa periods are Moon-Venus-Mercury for elder from 26 Feb 1996 to 21 May

1996 and for the younger from 11 Feb 1996 to 6 May 1996.

 

Navamsha chart same for both: Lagna Scorpio Ketu in lagna;Mars in

Capricorn;Mercury in Aries;Rahu in Taurus;Jupiter in Cancer;Venus in Leo;Sun

& Moon in Virgo;Saturn in Libra.

 

CASE II: Two twin females, Date of birth 22 June 1970, Time of birth 10.

45 pm & 10. 48 pm, Place of birth Longitude 77. 36 East, Latitude 12. 58

North;1 younger brother engineer born 1974;father MBBS doctor own clinic

mild heart attack on 10 Aug 1990 lost about 5 lakh rupees in 1991/92 in

clinic deceived by partner; mother Msc housewife two miscarriages after

daughters; Both studied M. A. & Music, give joint vocal music

performances, both good looking fair almost alike; both married on same

date 3 June 1996 to almost engineers; Elder twin is fast and younger one is

steady, Brahmins?(Data as in 1996)

 

The charts are as follows:

Elder/Younger twin: Lagna Aquarius 8. 53. 23/9. 45. 40;Aries Saturn 24.

53. 03/24. 53. 03;Taurus Mercury 21. 30. 02/21. 30. 02;Gemini Sun 7.

24. 51/7. 24. 58, Mars 19. 58. 48/19. 58. 53;Cancer Venus 13. 35. 40/13. 35.

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Leo Ketu 11. 25. 04/11. 25. 04;Libra Jupiter 2. 36. 32/2. 36. 32;Capricorn

Moon 21. 24. 30/21. 26. 29;Aquarius Rahu 11. 25. 04/11. 25. 04.

Ayanamsha 23. 26. 47. Balance of dasa at birth Moon 1yr 5m 8d/1yr 5m 0d and

for elder twin Rahu-Moon from 14 May 1994 to 13 Nov 1995 and for the

younger one Rahu-Moon from 5 May 1994 to 4 Nov 1995.

Navamsha chart same for both: Lagna Sagittarius Sun in Lagna;Rahu in

Capricorn;Mars in Pisces;Mercury Ketu Moon in Cancer;Jupiter in

Libra;Saturn & Venus in Scorpio.

 

CASE III: Two twin females, Date of birth 9 May 1992, Time of birth 2. 16 pm

& 2. 18 pm, Place of birth Bergheim, Germany Longitude 6. 38 East,

Latitude 50. 55 North, Time zone 1 hour East, Day light savings 1 hour;Both

good looking beautiful cute;father working on a te tile project in

Maharishi University of Management, Holland;mother dance teacher;both

parents good looking smart devotees of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi do

meditations;nationality German;no coborns;both visit Maharishi University

along with parents. (Data as on 3 Nov 1995)

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The charts are as follows:

Elder/Younger twin: Lagna Leo 13. 41. 51/14. 03. 05;Jupiter in Lagna 11.

00/11. 00; Sagittarius Rahu 7. 44/7. 44; Capricorn Saturn 24. 26/24. 26;

Pisces Mars 9. 01/9. 01;Aries Mercury 3. 33/3. 33, Venus 15. 55/15. 55, Sun

25. 22/25. 22;Gemini Ketu 7. 44/7. 44;Cancer Moon 23. 28/23. 29. Ayanamsha

23. 45. 16. Dasa Mercury-Rahu for elder from 9 March 1993 to 26 Sep 1995 and

for younger from 28 Feb 1993 to 17 Sep 1995.

 

Navamsha chart same for both: Leo Lagna;Venus & Saturn in Lagna;Mars

in Virgo;Sun in Scorpio;Ketu in Sagattarius;Moon in Aquarius;Mercury in

Taurus;Rahu in Gemini;Jupiter in Cancer.

 

Please note that in Case I with 3 minutes difference in birth time, the

marriages differ by about 5 years, husbands engineer & doctor, one went

to USA & other in India only;in Case II with again 3 minutes difference in

birth time, the marriages on same day, husbands engineers, both in India

only;in Case III with birth time difference of 2 minutes, the Lagna difference

is only 0. 21. 14 and so the Shatshiamsha Lagna also will be the same.

 

The readers and analysts may contact me for any further data at 67

Vinaynagar, Saidabad, Hyderabad-500059, Andhra Pradesh, India; Phone 040-

4530210 and send their analysis to me or discuss in the EST

magazine.

By "Daivagna Ratna" P.V.R.RAYUDU B.E.,M.Tech

 

(Former Sr.Scientist & Dy.Director Defence Research Lab.,67

Vinayanagar,Saidabad,Hyderabad-500059,AP.,India Phone:040-4530210. E-mail

pvrrayudu, Web: http://www.loudoun-net.com/kamesh/rayudu.html)

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"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

<JyotishVidya>

Re: [JyotishVidya] Re: twins combination

Monday, May 19, 2003 2:45 PM

 

Dear Doshi,

 

Good to see your contribution :-) Also, as I understand, another rule for birth

of twins is the placement of karaka for children (Jupiter) in a quadruped sign.

In case of the native himself being a twin we look for Sun occupying a

quadruped. This was said in an earlier post if you recall.......

 

[Gemini (or other dual sign) owning 5th or 5th lord in same is often an

indication of twins. Same applies to being born a twin. Gemini rising or lagnesh

in Gemini is an indication of being born a twin. Also, if I remember correctly,

twin births occur when Sun occupies a quadruped sign. In the case of progeny I

assume it would be Jupiter. Quadruped signs are; Aries, Taurus, Leo and 2nd half

of Taurus. I would say if the two indications are present in the chart there

would be a high likelihood of twin births.]

 

You might also recall the combinations for twin births submitted by

Ravindramani...see below. Now if you apply these rules to your chart I'm sure

you'll agree with me that the possibility of twins is evident.

 

Ravindramani Wrote:

>>>>According to "Saravali" a treatise on Hindu Astrology:

 

1. Moon and Venus are in even signs; Jupiter, Mars, the Asc. and

Mercury happen to be in odd signs; birth of twins; (one son and one

daughter).

 

2. Mars, Mercury and Jupiter occupy even signs and they are having

enough strength; birth of twins; (male twins).

 

3. If a strong male planet influences (aspect) Ascendant or Moon in

even signs; birth of twins; (one son and one daughter).

 

Kindly note these are all general combinations. One should employ

these combinations carefully in individual charts.<<<<

 

The thing is Doshi, you now know as much as I do (in regards to twins)... apply

these rules to your chart and tell me what you think :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

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doshiastro1978

JyotishVidya

Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:36 PM

[JyotishVidya] Re: twins combination

 

 

dear wendy,

as i far as twins combination is concerned i just know that moon's

placement is very important in parents chart for twins birth.

 

an astrologer whom i consider my guru told me that if a boy & girl

have moon placed nicely in 5th house without being afflicted and

aspected by strong lagnesh gives chances for twins birth but the

transist are v. important.

 

other thing that gemini sign has a lot to do with twins combination.

 

mr. doshi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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