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Dear Sarajit, Visti, Karu and all,

 

I read and re-read Visti's exceptionally elloquent article, and Sarajit

comments. I cach the meaning in general, but in order for me to benefit more

from these writings, I would ask you for some clarification, information.

 

Visti beautifully said:

Sun and Moon's transits are the various unions of Shiva and Parvati, and this

forms two results: Tithi (Venus) and Yoga (Jupiter). Tithi shows our inner

love.. i.e. our passions, whilst Yoga shows our love to the world... i.e. one

is inner and selfish whilst the other is selfless and outward.=

Can you please explain that to me, Tihti and Yoga, so that I can fully understand this text.

 

I would say Tithi shows the state of mind at any point of time, Sarajit

comments- As oposed to what, can you explain both?

Than, Sarajit explains term 'kevala'/new to me, too/ meaning 'exclusive' when

planets become yoga-givers, kartas/?term?/yogadas or mahayogadas, it becomes

"kevala"- I understand that it brings good luck, prosperity, but am confused

about the reason why it becomes kevala/and what that means- if the meaning is

exclusive, why is that?

Then Sarajit sais: 'Yoga becomes stronger when it is sustained by natural

sustainer'!!! and "if Shubhapati becomes yogada..etc" - and I need this

clarified. Do you mean Natural 'karaka' sustainer- Moon, as oposed to temp.?

PLus, how come that mind is not relevant in ther process IF THE MOON is

sustainer? If Shubhapati is with them then the yogas come more smoother. /OK/

So where are we talking of mind here./Why NOT?? Whether of not you desire or

not, if somebody puts few thousand dollars in your bank account, then obviously

you think that the Kevalas are at work./

The two are not mutually exclusive, are they? Or you just say, 'mind' is

irrelevant in this process- that single property of sustainer.

Next,

Sarajit said that Nakastra determines what will be experienced, and Tihti, what

quality of the mind will prevail under this experience.

Please elaborate on this, so that I can learn some 'missing' pieces of

information /missing in my knowledge/, and understand and enjoy this

excellent aricle fully.

 

Thanks,

Anna

 

 

 

: Sarajit Poddar

 

Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:48 PM

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Karu,

 

My comments below-

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Karu

 

Friday, May 23, 2003 5:18 PM

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Om Namo Gurubrihaspathaye

 

Dear Sarajit,

Thank you. As the "sustainer" or "mother" Moon wants to please the own mind. But

if we take Moon as "mind", I feel Kevala shall bring influences to the mind,

according to the natural behavior of Kevala. For example, Kevala become Maha

Yogada if it conjoined with HL, GL etc. This is due to focus of mind on money

and/or power. It is desire. On the other hand In Gurudeva's lectures, we find

if kevala conjoined AK, high spirituality indicates. So non of these conditions

directly related to sustenance in this world, but main focus of mind, as per my

understandings.

 

Kevala means exclusive. There are different planets who become the yoga

givers or kartas, yogadas or mahayogadas.When Shubhapati becomes one of the

karta, yogada or mahayogada, it becomes kevala, kevala yogada and kevala

mahayogadas. Here we must understand that we are taking of the yogas bestower

or the bringer of prosperity in our lives. These yogas become stronger when it

is sustained by the natural sustainer. If Shubhapati is with them then the

yogas come more smoother. So where are we talking of mind here. Whether of not

you desire or not, if somebody puts few thousand dollars in your bank account,

then obviously you think that the Kevalas are at work.

If we take Moon as the mind, we know kevala has some responsibilities to make

the mind focus on many things. Also we know this focus of mind can be depending

on Titi ruler too. This is the point my confusion comes as Kevala can indicate

one thing while Titi ruler can indicate another aspects of life as "focus of

mind". I am looking for yours kind attention if I have been wrongly understood

this two controllers of mind.

Thanks in advance.

Karu

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Sarajit Poddar

Friday, May 23, 2003 11:11 AM

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Jaya JagannathDear Karu,

Moon is the sustainer and shubhapati or the dispostor of the Moon shall show,

how easily you would get sustenance in this life and what are the things shall

help in sustenance. Tithi ruler shall show predominant state of mind (indicated

by the lord of the tithi) and what are the areas, that are affecting such state

(from its placement and influences of other planets).

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Karu

Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:46 PM

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Om Namo GuruBrihaspathaye,

Dear Sarajit,

How do you see the different between Subapati and the titi ruler ? Both graha

could be focus on two different aspects of life.

Thanks in advance

Karu

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Sarajit Poddar

Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:08 AM

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Visti,

There is difference between Nakshatra and Tithi, while both are related to the

Mind. Tithi is Jala Tattva (Moon) and hence shows the state of the mind, such

as calm, exited, nervous, speculative, agitated etc. However Nakshatra is Vayu

tattva (Saturn) and shall show what our mind shall experience, whether it is

going to be a pleasent experience or painful experience and the whole process

of experiencing per se.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Visti Larsen

Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:25 PM

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Nodes - A Different Perspective

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Sarajit,

Yes thankyou for correcting me regarding the eclipse positions, i was trying to

illustrate a point. Yes the nodes do not have lattitude.

As for state of mind, wouldn't it be more appropriate to see the Nakshatra

(Panchanga: Nakshatra, Tithi, Yoga, Karana, Vara)?

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Sarajit Poddar

Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:53 AM

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Jaya JagannathDear Visti,

Here are my few comments:

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Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:47 AM

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|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Ron,

You have compelled me to write about the nodes.

The North and the South nodes are not born out of the Moon itself. They are born from its orbit.

The Moon has what is called a wobble. This is motion of climax going upwards and

then downwards. The peak of its motion is called the North Node or Rahu. This is

the highest most peak of its motion around the earth, i.e. the place it recieves

its highest lattitude. Whilst aquiring this lattitude or orbit, if it is also in

junction with the Sun (new moon) it will be in an angle to block the suns rays

on earth hence causing a Solar Eclipse.

Because of the wobble, the orbit of the Moon aroung the earth shifts with

very slow motion, which shifts the points of conjunction of the Moon's orbit

with the ecliptic (earth's orbital plane around the Sun). Because these are

mere point of intersections of two planes they always remain on the ecliptic

and hence the latitude of the nodes is always zero. The eclipse happens, when

these points of conunction move in the line of sight of Sun from Earth, Which

means Moon shall pass through the face of the Sun, during the time of

conjunction (both Sun and Moon have same longitude).

So the North node is literally a transiting shadow, because only on that degree

can the sun be eclipsed.

Similarly the Southern most lattitude of the moon is what we call the South

Node. This point or degree is the lowest most point of the Moons transit and

cannot cause a solar eclipse due to the angle acquired, however when the Moon

is transiting its southern most point and is opposite the Sun (full moon), it

has acquired an angle where it cannot acquire the rays of the Sun and hence a

Lunar eclipse occurs.

Nodes, do not have Latitude, Its the Moon who goes up and down in its orbit

which is tilted to the ecliptic and hence gain and lose Latitude. Nodes do not!

The new moon happens when while seen from earth, Moon and Sun are on the same

Zodiac point on the sky. However, the latitude of the Moon decides, whether or

not an eclipse shall happen. Whenever, at the time of the conjunctions and

opposition of the Moon, the latitude of the Moon comes near zero (which means

Moon is coming to the ecliptic plane), the solar eclipse or lunar eclipse

happens. You all shall check this out with actual astronomical data on the

different eclipse days. Check, what is the latitude of the Moon on the day of

conjunctions (new moon) and opposition (full moon). If the latitude is near

zero, you can guess that you are approaching an eclipse.

So the North Node - Rahu is responsible for causing Solar Eclipses, because only

Moon can acquire such an orbit, whilst Ketu is responsible for Lunar eclipse.

The two cannot happen at once unless we have two moons, and even if we had,

that occurance would be very rare.

You cannot say that, which planet cause which eclipse astronomically. Both

the nodes can cause solar eclipse or lunar eclipse. To illustrate my point. I

shall give two dates of Solar Eclipse, one caused by Rahu and another one

caused by Ketu.

21 June 2001 - Total solar eclipse caused by Rahu

04 Dec 2002- Total solar e clipse caused by Ketu

Now when we talk about nodes of other planets, you should ask about their

relevance. We have two nodes who's objective is to block the rays of the Sun

and Moon. Other nodes would find very little relevance in this scheme... Think

about it.

If we can find the longitude and latitude of the satelites of other planets,

we can very well find the solar eclipse on that planet and the eclipse of the

saltelite at any time. However, probably they shall be useful for the natives

of that planet; isn't it?. How can we use them in Phalita Jyotish?

Sun and Moon's transits are the various unions of Shiva and Parvati, and this

forms two results: Tithi (Venus) and Yoga (Jupiter). Tithi shows our inner

love.. i.e. our passions, whilst Yoga shows our love to the world... i.e. one

is inner and selfish whilst the other is selfless and outward.

Beautiful association of Sun and Moon to Shiva and Parvati. However, I would

say Tithi shows the state of mind at any point of time. Love and passion can be

state of mind too, so can agression and deception.

When we block Shiva (Sun) then we must ensure that Jupiter is strong, because

otherwise the teachings of the Sun reflected through Jupiter will fall.

Similarly the Moon being the beholder of the desires of the native, i.e. that

which the native expects to live upto, if eclipsed by Ketu needs Venus to

ensure that the passions are withstanding. Otherwise the native may wonder

aimlessly without goals in life.

So what exactly are Rahu and Ketu gaining from all this eclipsing?

Rahu represents all our evil deeds from past birth.

Ketu represents all our mistakes from past birth.

Sun and Jupiter are Karakas for the Dharmabhava - 9th house and Rahu finds his

worst placement in the 9th and is greatly enmical towards Sun and Jupiter. So

Rahu dislikes all these priests, preachers, and what not... he's afraid of

being cheated! Instead he will be very selfish and egoistic and will avoid

relying on others unless its for his own good. Hence Rahu represents the ego of

beings, and when Rahu sits as Atmakaraka he teaches us not to loose our head!

Because if you jump headlessly into life, you will end up being disapointed or

shocked... Good things take time and patience. So what are we going todo with

this head full of desires and ideas running around the zodiac.. we must bestow

compassion upon it, and give it a heart. This is given by the most lovely

mother, sitting in Cancer and this is why all evil Yogas are nullified if the

planets involved recieves the Rasi Dristi from Cancer (refer Jaimini's

Upadesa). And the form in which we invoke the mother in for this job is Durga!

So we are not worshipping Durga to calm her down, but to show her influence on

Rahu. We want her to come and guide Rahu, and guide the intellect. Gatistvam

Gatistvam Twam Eka Bhavani.. Only the mother can put your foot on the right

path... there are many secrets about the dasamavidya related to this statement.

All those saints must have Rahu somewhere, this is important. See what it did to

Srila Prabhuda with Rahu as Atmakaraka in Upapada. Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa -

Rahu-AK in Darapada. No more neglect, you need your mothers milk.

Excellent

Ketu on the other hand is headless like Ganesh.. He's very enmical towards the

Moon and also Venus which can be perused in the Puranas (read stories of when

Ganesh visited Soma and when Lakshmi courted Ganesh). The reason is simple..

These two cause attachment to the Arudha, to Maya, and the only one who can

smash the Moon propperly is Saturn (study pravajya yogas) whilst Venus needs to

be under control. However; a strong Venus gains Ketu's favor (exalted in ketu's

moolatrikona - Pisces), as then the passions are pointing to a goal which will

not be compromised just as the best of Tapaswi's and hence Tapaswi Yoga is

formed by Ketu+Venus+Saturn, where the Moon or manas' are under control, the

Passion of Venus has one single focus and Ketu is sitting in his Siddhaasana

directing everything! This Yoga makes the best of Siddhas, or those aspiring

for knowledge and is the stepping stone for making Rishi's. Hence those Rishi's

like Vasishta and Vishwamitra no doubt had this Yoga and were very determined,

indicating a very strong and controlled Venus. Now Ketu rules hair and the most

blessed part of a Rishi is his hair where he stores all his powers or siddhis,

especially in his pony tail where the dhi or intellect sits, so when we sing

the mantra "Kleem HrishiKeshaaya Namah", we are asking for the protection of

our tapas or austerities and intelligence. We are praying that our Venus does

not fall and should never fall, and hence our Dhi signified by Jupiter is

protected! We are praying for Venus to be exalted.

Beautiful analysis.

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