RE: [SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Sarbani - SJC Delhi

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Dear Sarbani

 

Namaskar!

 

I'm a list member since November 2002. I'm put up at Greater Noida & would like

to join SJC Delhi. Please let me know how to go about it. Currently, I'm in US

and will be back end of next month.

 

Waiting for your response.

 

with regards

Tushankur

 

Sanjay Rath [srath]

Sat 5/24/2003 9:26 PM

Varahamihira (AT) (DOT) ;

Cc: Sarbani; Rohini Purang

RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] SJC Delhi - doubts regarding curses

 

 

|brihaspatim varenyam|

Dear Rohini & Sarbani,

The comments are given below. I have also posed some questions. Please continue

the papers I sent into tomorrows class as well so that the procedure and

principles become very clear to all.

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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Friday, May 23, 2003 2:38 PM

SJC: Achyuta Gurukulam; Varahamihira

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] SJC Delhi - doubts regarding curses

 

 

Dear Sanjayji and other Gurus,

 

(For those of you who may wonder why we don't put up our discussions on the

list: we have class every Sunday as Shiv Pujan takes our classes. Prior to that

Sanjayji used to take them. So our doubts get cleared in class itself. Once in a

while when our teachers are absent, we are send notes and assignments by

Sanjayji, in lieu of his absence. We then put up our questions on the list.)

 

In last Sundays class we were given an assignment on curses and how to read

evil yogas in a chart. The two examples that we had to work on was Christopher

Reeve's and Sri Rama's charts. Those present were Rohini Purang, Uma Purang,

Saroj Tomar, Gaurav Varma, Deepika Sanghi, Suneet Kumar, Prashant Narang, Eric

and myself.

[Rath:] What happened to the others? Some names are always missing in this

list.

 

We had a doubt regarding Rama's chart. Our class notes clearly stated that the

graha drishti of at least two malefics were essential for a curse. Secondly,

benefics which were being cursed, represented the person cursing. In Rama's

chart Jupiter and Moon are being affected. Jupiter represents the curse of a

Brahmin, in this case Maharshi Narada. Since Moon is conjoined Jupiter, it shows

that the curse will be actualised through mother, that is Kaikeyai. But will

Moon by itself also represent a second curse, a matri shaap, or Moon is only

acting as a medium? Ideally Moon should also show a second curse, apart from

executing Jupiter's curse. If so, then whose?

Will there be a pitri shaap as well? Sun is aspected by Saturn, Rahu and Mars.

If not, why?

(For those who do not have Rama's chart: Lagna: Cancer with Jupiter and Moon,

Saturn in 4th in Libra, Rahu in 6th in Sagittarius, Mars in 7th in Capricorn,

Venus in 9th in Pisces, Sun in 10th in Aries, Mercury in 11th in Taurus and Ketu

in 12th in Gemini. AL and UL are in Sagittarius.)

 

[Rath:] Rohini also had a similar question about the chart of Cristopher Reeve

where the curse of uncle was mentioned by me. Now, follow this procedure in

determining curse.

1) There will be ONLY ONE primary curse for which the birth/appearance of

the native has occured. The others will be supplemental and will only support

the curse indications.

2) When two or more curses exist, determine the most benefic natural benefic

planet in the lot of curses. It is this that constitutes the primary curse.

Others do not exist independantly nor do any remedies have to be done for them.

If the primary curse is forgiven, then all supplements are also forgiven. So,

remedy is ONLY FOR the primary curse.

3) In addition to curses list out the various dosha like sankranti birth,

amavasya or krishna chaturdasi birth etc i.e. flaws of time. If there is a curse

and such a dosha exists, then the curse will afflict the dosha also. Cure to the

dosha shall also come when the curse lifts or is forgiven.

 

Now examine the chart of Sri Rama. Here you will see (a) Curse of Brahmin [Jup

in lagna aspected by Mars & Saturn] and (b) curse of Mother [Moon in Lagna

aspected by Mars & Saturn] and © Curse of father [sun in 10 aspected by Rahu,

Mars and Saturn]. Thus there are THREE curses in the chart of Sri Rama. However,

the sacred Ramayana records ONLY ONE curse as that being of the greatest

Brahmana - Narada muni. So, the principle of recording the curse as being of the

greatest natural benefic is being followed. Among the Jupiter (Brahmin), Moon

(Mother) and Sun (Father), the most benefic planet is Jupiter. So, the curse is

ONLY that of Brahmin.

 

The other two shall act as supplementary to the major curse and during the

Moola dasa of Saturn, the Pirti curse acted in such a way that Maharaja

Dasaratha was compelled to deprive Rama of the legitimate throne. See the curse

is on the 10th house where the Sun is placed. The Sun causes Simhasana Yoga as

the 2nd Lord in the 10th house in exaltation, and yet this Simhasana yoga is

obstructed by the 'supplementary' curse. So, when the curse of the Brahmin was

to operate, Sri Rama was deprived of His throne. this deprivation of throne is

attributed to the supplemental 'curse of father - Sun'. Now, that was not all.

Sri Rama also had to go to vanvas (exile). Why? Moon is Lagna lord in Lagna and

will represent mother land (i.e. the Land where the 'cultural limitation is that

of the MOTHER TONGUE'. I have seen recently how people were arguing in the VA

list about political man-made boundaries! Anyway back to the point. So, the

curse of Mother was another supplemental curse and Sri Rama was banished from

the kingdom for the period of the MOOLA DASA (14 years) of saturn. Thus, the

primary curse was that of the Brahmin and suplemental curses that acted along

with the same were those of the father and mother. Remedy: Sri Rama established

the Rameswara Shiva Linga and offered prayers to Lord Shiva Who is the PRATYADHI

DEVATA of the SUN i.e Agni carries the prayers to the devatas and then the

devatas based on the permission given by Lord Shiva, shall forgive. This is

because of the Tapas bala (fire of penance) of Lord Shiva. So, Sri Rama has also

taught us what to do when we come under a curse or such terrible things idicated

by saturn. Follow Sri Rama blindly and do exactly as He did and the sins will

go. Infact the very name 'Rama' is enough to remove all curses and sins. Also we

must learn that Rama never ever thought ill of His father or mother and instead

showed us what is the meaning of the word 'maryada'. In todays world people are

forever cursing and shouting at their father and mother for small things they

are deprived of.

 

I hope it is clear now as to what curse means. So, here the curse was of

Brahmin and supplements were those of father and mother.

CASE STUDY-01 for next class Chart attached

Now see my own chart: 7 August 1963 9:15 PM IST, Sambalpur, India 84E01' 21N28.

My questions for next Sunday (tomorrow's class) -

1) List out the Primary and supplemental curses.

2) How will this manifest

3) What is the remedy (specific mantra etc..be very specific as this is what

you have to do in real life when someone comes for help).

4) What should be my attitude towards the various people.

5) List out the doshas and how will they manifest.

6) How long is the period of the curse and from when to when. (I want dates not

stories please (smile!).

 

 

 

Christopher Reeve's chart has two curses. Since Saturn is linked to both of

them, his fall of the horse and subsequent paralysis occurred in Saturn dasha.

We were assigned to seek remedies for him. We were unanimous in feeling that a

ugra rupa of Devi, like Kali, was the only remedy for him. His ishta is Venus,

placed in Scorpio, and aspected only by Saturn (rashi drishti) from Cancer.

Venus would imply Lakshmi. This is strengthened by the fact that Venus is in

Libra in the 4th in Rashi. But some students felt that since Venus was in

Scorpio it should be Chamunda. We need a clarification on that. His palana

karta is Saturn in Cancer. Palana devata is usually Devi, so we opted for Kali.

His BK is also Saturn. Saturn is thus linked to his ishta, palana devata and his

BK. Saturn is the planet causing the fructification of both the curses in its

dasha, while it was transiting his 8th house, forming kantaka from lagna and

ardha-kantaka from Moon. (The Navamsa lagna is also in nidhanamsa with a

pishacha badhak). Given all these indications everyone opted for Kali as the

remedy.

The question also arises, will propitiation of Mercury, in the form of worship

of Vishnu, help? The second curse is the worst, with Mercury being the lord of

dusthanas, and the cause of his paralysis.

[Rath:] There are two curses here as well (1) mercury is a natural benefic

aspected by 3 malefics, and (2) Sun is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. Thus two

things will happen - accident causing paralysis and ALSO loss of work (Sun) and

earnings i.e. his rajyoga ended. How did you miss this most obvious thing.

Hope this clears everything. Please get back to me on those questions.

 

CASE STUDY - 02 for next class Chart attached

Srila Prabhupada: September 1, 1986; 3:24' PM LMT, Cal, India

Questions:

1) Is there some curse(s) in this chart? If so, then what are they and which

one shall predominate?

2) What is the difference in the meaning and manifestation of the curse if

the Lagna is (a) Sagittarius, (b) Capricorn, and based on real life, which is

the correct lagna.

3) What remedy did Sri Prabhupada do consciously or unconsciously to remove

the curse? What was the period of curse and compare this with the chart of Sri

Rama.

4) What did Sri Rama do after completing the effect of the curse? Compare

this to what Sri Prabhupada did.

 

CASE STUDY -03 for next class Chart attached

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu February 27, 1486 5:55':47" PM LMT 88E22 23N28

Questions

1) Make a thorough list (do not miss anything) of the curses, doshas etc in

the chart. Which is the primary dosha/curse?

2) Compare this to the chart of Sri Rama and explain as to why Sri

Chaitanya was always travelling around India or at Puri for the most part of

this worldly existance.

3) What was the remedy that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu did to come out of the

curse? Time the exact effect and period of the curse.

4) What was the dharma path of Sri Chaitanya, and why?

 

THEORY

Questions:

1) What is the meaning of such curses in the charts of such high people?

2) What is it that we learn from these great lives? How did they suffer

their curses? Did they cry or curse or did they smile? If so, then what is it

that made them so strong against such great evils.

3) Sanischara (Saturn) is the great benefic in a sence that by punishing us

thoroughly in this world (Bhu loka) he ensures that we dot have to go to Narka

(the worst hell below the seven talas) See Bhagavat Purana for more details on

this where Sani fights with the lord of Narka and other hells. So, is Saturn a

*real benefic* in the spiritual sense? Does he deserve the status of

Dharma-raja?

4) After completing this lesson you will learn to smile even when the worst

sin and suffering is heaped on you - the maryada of Rama shall protect all

Jyotisha.

Jaya Sri Ram

Sanjay Rath

P.S.

1. No questions on the remaining portions???!! Or maybe you want to ask them in

private to me. Rohini ji. Are you satisfied?

2. Remember to give printouts of the MOOLA DASA with each chart.

 

 

 

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