20th mumbai meeting discussions

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjayji

Thank you very much for encouraging the mumbai group and under the able guidance

of Jkda we should continue our path more rigorously. Replies to the queries

posted by you at the relevant places.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sunil John

 

Chart Details:

4th October 1971 at 1pm in Townsville, Queensland, Australia

146E48, 19S16

TZ: 10.00 (east of GMT)

 

1. She left her birth place and went to Saudi for job in April'1999 and came

back to Australia in Sept'2000 [Rath:] The planets that take a person to a

foreign land should be examined very carefully. Here they are Ketu dasa Mars

anterdasa in April 1999. Thus Ketu and Mars have to be examined in the chart

for the results of what will follow in the foreign land. Note that both Ketu

and Mars are the lords of the badhak house indicating foreign travel. Further,

Ketu is placed in a Kendra as mars associates/aspects lagna causes Pisacha

badhak. Thus, the trip to foreign land shall bring some serious problem

regarding Pisacha badhak due to Ketu and Mars should be the inference.

 

[jk] This is a new direction in seeing the chart. We shall keep this in mind.

 

We concluded that her debilated AK was the reason for her foreign posting

(mentioned later in the mail). Was our finding correct? .. as we could not see

any other reason for her foreign residency.

 

Her venus MD is going to start now shortly. Will she now again come out of her

country in that period?

Sunil: Will this also produce marriage, if yes when and nature of marriage

 

2. She started seeing one muslim boy in August 1999 and was engaged on the 21st

October 1999 but the marriage did not ultimately took place.[Rath:] Why arn't

the views of the group not given here? The dasa had changed to Ketu dasa Rahu

antardasa and both planets are involved in a sarpa yoga without a break.

Normally sarpa yoga makes a person very sexually inclined and agressive in

sexual activity. both these planets also aspect the darapada A7 indicating that

she will think of marriage as physical contact and will suffer consequently. The

point is that Brihaspati is sitting very strong in the darapada and is also

aspecting the 5th house. So we can see a battle of sorts between Jupiter and

Rahu to have a relationship with her. Now see the raha arudha of Jupiter - Jup

(9) is in Lagna andd is protecting her reputation and name while Jup (12) is in

7th house in Cancer. So Jupiters influence in her personal life is going to be

strong. Also he dominates darapada and put a fight against Rahu. So, she cannot

marry the man she meets in Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa. More so as UL is Libra and

its lord is debilitated and it is Jupiter who gives neechabhanga for Venus, but

this neechabhanga is not present naturally from Guru and Mercury does

neechabhanga i.e. Mercury intervenes on behalf of Juptier. Speak to her and try

to identify these people Jupiter & Mercury while Rahu is identified as the boy

she met in Ketu-Rahu period.

SJ: Not sure if you were referring to her past to identify people with Jupiter

and Mercury traits. upon my chat with her I found these details:

· There was a person (Ethopian American) associated with the chamber of

commerce who was after her, he held the highest position for a non Saudi in

Saudi and was always with ambassadors and diplomats (maybe this is the Mercury

person that you speak about, I thought this since Mercury represents business

too, although this guy looks more of a Sun person)

· There were two surgeons and one doctor (Saudi national) also who were

after her and made life miserable for her (these could be the Jupiterean

influence maybe, as Jupiter also represents healers according to my limited

knowledge, although surgeon might indicate more of Mars)

· Right now there could be a Jupiterean influence since she has now

fallen in love with another foreigner, who has some sort of spiritual

background.

 

[jk] sunil will ask her and post the details in the list in this respect

 

3. Miscarried a child in April 2000 and then gave birth to a daughter in April

2001 in Australia [Rath:] This must be before April 20 2000 in Ketu-Rahu-Venus

period. Who was the prospective father? Mr.Rahu?? Tell her she has lost a

fantastic son (see Mars in Sg in D7). Next child is indicated by Moon in

Scorpio in D7 - daughter. Come Jupiter and she got out of the direct influence

of the sarpa yoga and other evils.

SJ: She confirms that the child (miscarriage) is of that Indian Muslim she was

in love with in Saudi. Although she admits that during the brief period when

she returned to Australia she was raped by one lesbian friend (having manly

qualities), this happened in between her love relationship with the Indian, but

she didn’t tell of this event to him. This rape thing she told me maybe since

she felt you saw some other influence in her life during the period. The

miscarriage was before April 20 2002 and in the period you have predicted.

There have been two rape attempts also on her.

 

[jk] yes the miscarriage was before 20th april and the muslim boy (Mr. Rahu) was the father.

 

4. While in Saudi she had a lot of lucid dreaming with snakes.[Rath:] Did you

notice the sarpa yoga? I find no mention of this. Also there is no mention of

Rahu aspecting the 9th lord Mercury which is the cause of the dreams. Dreams of

snakes is indicative of terrible enemies working against her. Mercury is also

the 6th lord.

Sunil: She confirms that she had lot of enemies in Saudi and also in Australia.

All things related to teenage jealousy etc.

5. Arround July'1999, while in Saudi..she started seeing spirits. She tells that

one woman there, who threatened her earlier on account of relationship jealousy

- applied black magic on her.[Rath:] No I don't agree with this. The sixth lord

is Mercury and it does not have any contact with the badhak sign Scorpio nor

with the badhakesh Mars. Sixth lord conjoining debilitated Venus indicates that

she had problems and fight with a woman but there is no indication that that

lady was able to do any black magic that afflicted her. What she suffers from

is prarabdha karma and this is due to a past life karma that she carries.

SJ: She feels that the black magic on her was done by a African woman, this

African woman was in love with a doctor who wanted to marry our subject to get

into Australia, hence the African woman hated our native for it. From What I

feel it isn’t a case of total possession but just outside trouble but still I

reproduce her own words.

Sanjayji can you kindly expand on prarabdha karma and what is the past life

karma this native carries as to cause so much of suffering in this lifetime.

 

Spirit Possession:

I am really not that sure of exactly when it started, I think around June or

July 1999. When I went to bed that night I saw a dark figure come into

my room but at the time I was not scared. I had a dream before it

happened. It was in the compound I was living at the time in Saudi and

the sky was blood red. There was a beast that had been sacrificed on a

big slab of cement, its throat had been cut. Then I heard the phone ring

and in my dream I picked up the phone but could also see this old

woman at the end of the line. She said that the devil will go through me

and Paula as well. And then that is when it happened. It was violent and

twisted my body in ways that I didn’t think possible. The woman that I

believed did this to me was the face that was above me but very twisted,

deformed and ugly. I was constantly calling for Jesus Christ and I saw

his figure walk through the door of my room and that it when it released

me. The next morning when I went to walk out the front door there was

a very big pool of blood at my front door.

 

It kept coming back for months and entering my body but each time was

a bit weaker than the last. It was especially strong around each full

moon. And over the months Paula’s baby kept deteriorating until it

eventually died without any doctors in Saudi or Ireland being able to

explain why. The woman that I believe did this because I was friends

with the man that she loves. They were both from Sudan. She would

always seem run into me all the time at work and she always looked at

me with a smirk on her face.

 

More excerpts from the chat:

well it used to come back every night. Take over my body etc... As I said the

wind in my throat, can not move my body can not scream etc. But it was never as

violent again as the first time. The first time I saw my limbs being twisted in

directions it should not have been. The next day I had bruises and a lot of

swelling over my body

for months it would come back but especially around a full moon it was very strong again.

After a long time it happened few weeks back, but this time there were more

hands when they were trying to make love to me, its so revolting Sunil u don’t

know the feeling.

Sunil pls tell your Guru, re the incident that I told one week back, just when I

had received the mantra , this vision came to me and that woman was very angry ,

her face was full of wild anger, but I was surrounded with walls and she was

outside the wall. I think she is angry I took that Mantra, also yesterday I

started researching on Lord Shiva from the net. You said he would protect me.

 

 

[jk] sunil will take further detail from her and post the same. It seems that

she still insists on the black magic done to her by an african woman

 

This woman is reported to have very high passion which leads her into various

relations and subsequent troubles. But she is not happy with her own passion

and feels guilty about it. Is it due to her placement of Ke in 7th - who acts

like Mars creating lot of passions and debilated AK Venus - who tries to show

her the correct way? Plz note that Ven is also aspected by Rahu- aflicting Ven

as well as Sun.[Rath:] True. Venus shows correct way? Like how?? Please spell

out. Of course I missed it - Venus is Atmakaraka, so she will learn life

through terrible mistakes related to sexual activity and 'love'. (Gauranga made

this point earlier about AK Venus).

 

[jk] this is very much true in this case.

Sunil : Dear Sanjayji and Jkda, the query posted by the woman is in her twenties

she was involved in sex acts of extreme nature that cannot be mentioned in this

list, she found pleasure in them but also trouble due to the associations of

those kind of people, now after her child birth esp she has mellowed down and

avoided them to a large extent. She loves her child and wants to give her a

wonderful future. But she knows her body and wants to know if she would go back

to her old ways as her body still likes those sex acts, but her mind doesn’t as

of now, so what is the path for her and when and how will it manifest.

AK Ven might have surely given her some sense of direction, also from the last

10 yrs the native has slowly been involved in reading of newage books on

spirituality. I feel now a new period in her life should start in God

realization, don’t know why but I feel this, maybe gurus can comment.

 

AK Ven is debilated and in the star of Mars. She left her birth place in

Ke-Ma-Me dasa. Ke is in her 7th house of foreign journey and Ve is in Virgo.

She came back as her Ke-Jup started. Jup is her DK in badhaka sthana. Actually

the main reason for her coming back was disappointment created due to refusal

of the boy to marry her. Religion (karaka Jup) was the main reason for the

muslim boy's refusal. Her AL is in 12th from UL and this was her 1st serious

relationship with intention to marry. Hence rejection by her would be spouse is

clear from the chart.[Rath:] Excellent. See how a Jupiter placed in badhak can

cause differences related to religion. Brilliant point. So whose child is the

daughter?? GRAPES ARE SOUR - the boy says no and so she finds it convenient to

blame a woman for black magic. Rejection is something lovers find hard to

digest.

Sunil: She got the vision and temporary body possession with the face of the

woman who did it, according to her before the affair with the Indian muslim

started. Both were in love with each other, but he rejected her since he felt

he had committed a sin by producing the child, also if he married her then his

2 sisters in India would not get married. She understands his point of view but

feels unhappy about her kid being called a bastard. He still loves her and wants

to be in Australia with her, but he keeps on being indecisive, now she has given

up on him after so many yrs of waiting and begging him and now currently fallen

in love with another person and wants to marry.

Also, I feel that she goes to too many psychics who tell her all sort of stupid

things ( personal view – nothing against psychics). The point I want to make is

she has no clear cut guidance in life.

So she fears that the black magic might have separated her first Love, and now

she fears that once again it might act up. As advised by Jkda she has been

asked to do UL fasting which she has started already. Does she have Vivaha

Dosha , does she need to perform more remedies.

She feels if it is necessary when she has money she would travel to India

(currently she is unemployed by choice in order to take care of her kid), if

any rituals are to be performed to ward off her Sarpa Dosha or any more

afflictions.

The child is of the Indian muslim that she was in love with and wanted to marry,

I think their affair continued for over 2 years. The chart of the child is

attached for perusal. The time of birth is as given by doctors.

 

 

In rashi, 9th house has rahu aspect-shows problem for 1st child birth. In her

D7, lagna is Le - odd sign. counting in zodiac direction, 5th from Le (Sg) has

Mars...showing medical problems. her miscarriage occured in Ke-Ra-Ve dasa. Ve

is in Mars star. 3rd from Sg is Aq. Lord Sa is in Cp a female rashi. So her 2nd

child was a daughter.[Rath:] So my guess was right - Venus pratyantar as Venus

is TENTH LORD in Saptamsa and aspects the fifth house. Also see the dictum

about Rasi chart Lagna lord in 5th house..first child....

 

Dreaming of snakes:

She has 3 malefics in 2 kendras. It should be a sarpa dosha. Can we confer that

the dreaming of snakes were due to the sarpa dosha? This happened in her Ke-Ra

dasa.[Rath:] Sarpa yoga - correct JK

 

Black magic & Preta dosha:

She becomes adept to black magic due to,

1. Ketu and Sat aspecting each other and have connection to 5th house.[Rath:] Ok

first pregnancy was miscarriage (ask her if this miscarriage was FORCED like say

abortion).

 

SJ: Last night she confirmed that it was a miscarriage andnot abortion, she

stupidly took a vitamin tablet which her friend had warned her was a bit too

strong on stomach, but she said that her stomach is super strong , at that time

she said she was very very stressed in life and also the tension of telling her

parents that she was pregnant.

 

2. AL in dual rashi..conjunct with 6L Mer and Ket in 7th behaving like mars (as

Ketu is alone)[Rath:] come off it. Loneliness and depression following

rejection in love can make people see things. Preta badhak is far too serious a

thing and if the affliction actually occurs, then there will be tremendous

violence and some terrible physical conditions that beyond normal description.

Split personality and other traits are noticed. i have witness only one preta

badhak till now and also saw the exorcism. Long time back - durig Sat-Venus

period when I was studying these things.

 

[jk] The description of her fisrt experience of sighting spirits tells about a

violent and painfull physical condition also.

 

Here we are not very clear on one thing. Are the preta dosha / badha and

pishacha badha are two different things? And if so..how both manifest? And what

are the indication in a chart that the native will be able to see or communicate

with spirits? Do such ability come from such dosha?

SJ: She tells from the age of 21 to 28 there was a spirit guide who would always

speak to her, when she told her friends they warned her not to tell to anyone

otherwise she would be declared mad or non religious. Earlier she was afraid of

this voice, but when the spirit started always guiding her and warning her, she

felt nice about the spirit since she was always getting into trouble and

associations with the wrong kind of people. At the later age she spirit infact

saved her from a road accident by telling her to slow down and just few secs

later the accident happened, if she hadn’t slowed down she would have banged

into it. The communication was only one way with the spirit, and when she

wanted to talk he would never come, he would only talk to her on his own time.

Re the current scenario not sure if it is black magic or spirits troubling, but

the current house she lives in , was earlier inhabited by aboriginals. She

keeps seeings faces, etc, now her child also sees and many atimes she and her

child sees them together, then the child says : Mommmmy, look a man. One week

back she saw many people and then later in the night the child came back to her

in bed and said : Mommmy there are many people in my room.

These are just two instances

She fears terribly for her child, she doesn’t know if the black magic is diff

from the spirits in the current house as it was inhabited by some aboriginals

who were known to be a bit on the dark side of nature.

 

Now her badhaka lord is Mars..who is also aspecting Sat by rashi dristi and Ket

by graha dristi. This constitutes Preta Badha or the native is so haunted by

spirits. Also combination of Ketu & Mars causes Preta dosha as well as

affliction by spirits.

 

It may be note here that 7th house is involved in the dosha..and the dosha got

kick started due to problems of 7th house affairs.[Rath:] Agreed about this

that the 7th house is the cause of the sarpa entangling her in a terrible mess.

During Ketu-Jup she might have contemplated suicide as well. But then its over

now.

Sunil: Sanjayji, she says that during Ketu Jup period she didn’t contemplate of

suicide but she confirms that it was a very very stressful period, with all

sorts of family problems, she wasa single mom, the stigma, her lover wasn’t

coming to her, she was sick for a long time due to troublesome child birth, no

one to take care of her or give sound advice.

 

[jk] sunil will confirm this from her

 

Remedy:

Jup aspects Ketu and Rahu+mars all by rashi dristi and Sat by graha dristi. So

it was felt that Jup can give the solution. Jup is in 9th from moon so gem will

not work. Maha Mrityunjaya mantra was suggested for the native to avert the

effect of black magic and haunting by spirits. Mrityunjaya mantra being the

best remedy for such doshas. This mantra must do the needfull also due to the

reason that her ketu dasa is ending and ven dasa would start shortly and venus

is the owner of mrityunjaya mantra. Sun indicates her ista as Shiva. Jup also

indicates Shiva in higher form. So Mrityunjaya mantra will propiciate Jup & Sun

also. Jup is aspecting Ketu. So by propiciating Jup..ketu will get a head and

become ganesha to drive away the spirits.[Rath:] PERFECT JK da..all the hard

work you have done on remedial measures is paying off now.

 

[jk] i am personally very much encouraged by your kind words. and surely Hy

conference has given a new direction to our studies.

Sunil: She thanks for the mantra and listens to it daily and is slowly trying to

recite it. Last night she has thanked everyone Sanjayji, Jkda, Chandrashekharji,

Sarajitji, Visti and other learned members with all of her heart and hopes to

receive their guidance forever.

 

 

Is the remedy suggested is correct?

 

Please guide us with further valuable comments on the same - from gurus and

other learned members.

 

Regards

 

dasgupta[Rath:] Very very good and challenging case study. I have seen that

sometimes the groups gets carried away in a particular thread. This is due to

the planetary positions for the day when the meeting was being held. For

example when this chart was being discussed, the Moon was in exact 180 degrees

aspect with Saturn!!!..so i don't blame anyone. The graha are powerful...

 

Sit back sometimes and think about the other alternatives with a silent prayer to Shiva.

 

Best regards

Sanjay

 

 

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