20th mumbai meeting discussions-dear sunil, Jk da

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya

 

Dear Sunil

 

I hope you have analysed the Trimsamsa chart as there have been many

incidents related to marriage, love and other things.

 

D-30 lagna is Virgo, and is the 9th House from natal lagna,.

 

Jupiter and moon placed in Virgo(virginity) and since this is 9th

huse from natal lagna, the question involved is the brekage of dharma

related to sex.

 

This lagna is aspected by saturn, rahu, sun mercury from pisces.

The 7th house in D-30 is severely afflicted.

 

8th house and 3rd house have to be examined to see whether this

suffering is from past life.

 

3rd house has venus, The AK, and the suffering is due to the sins

that she has commited in past life.

 

Whenever such cases arrive, i suggest you look at d-30 chart.

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

 

, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjayji

> Thank you very much for encouraging the mumbai group and under the

able guidance of Jkda we should continue our path more rigorously.

Replies to the queries posted by you at the relevant places.

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

> Sunil John

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> Chart Details:

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> 4th October 1971 at 1pm in Townsville, Queensland, Australia

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> 146E48, 19S16

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> TZ: 10.00 (east of GMT)

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> 1. She left her birth place and went to Saudi for job in April'1999

and came back to Australia in Sept'2000

> [Rath:] The planets that take a person to a foreign land should be

examined very carefully. Here they are Ketu dasa Mars anterdasa in

April 1999. Thus Ketu and Mars have to be examined in the chart for

the results of what will follow in the foreign land. Note that both

Ketu and Mars are the lords of the badhak house indicating foreign

travel. Further, Ketu is placed in a Kendra as mars

associates/aspects lagna causes Pisacha badhak. Thus, the trip to

foreign land shall bring some serious problem regarding Pisacha

badhak due to Ketu and Mars should be the inference.

>

>

>

> [jk] This is a new direction in seeing the chart. We shall keep

this in mind.

>

>

>

> We concluded that her debilated AK was the reason for her foreign

posting (mentioned later in the mail). Was our finding correct? .. as

we could not see any other reason for her foreign residency.

>

>

>

> Her venus MD is going to start now shortly. Will she now again come

out of her country in that period?

>

> Sunil: Will this also produce marriage, if yes when and nature of

marriage

>

>

>

> 2. She started seeing one muslim boy in August 1999 and was engaged

on the 21st October 1999 but the marriage did not ultimately took

place.

> [Rath:] Why arn't the views of the group not given here? The dasa

had changed to Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa and both planets are involved

in a sarpa yoga without a break. Normally sarpa yoga makes a person

very sexually inclined and agressive in sexual activity. both these

planets also aspect the darapada A7 indicating that she will think of

marriage as physical contact and will suffer consequently. The point

is that Brihaspati is sitting very strong in the darapada and is also

aspecting the 5th house. So we can see a battle of sorts between

Jupiter and Rahu to have a relationship with her. Now see the raha

arudha of Jupiter - Jup (9) is in Lagna andd is protecting her

reputation and name while Jup (12) is in 7th house in Cancer. So

Jupiters influence in her personal life is going to be strong. Also

he dominates darapada and put a fight against Rahu. So, she cannot

marry the man she meets in Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa. More so as UL is

Libra and its lord is debilitated and it is Jupiter who gives

neechabhanga for Venus, but this neechabhanga is not present

naturally from Guru and Mercury does neechabhanga i.e. Mercury

intervenes on behalf of Juptier. Speak to her and try to identify

these people Jupiter & Mercury while Rahu is identified as the boy

she met in Ketu-Rahu period.

>

> SJ: Not sure if you were referring to her past to identify people

with Jupiter and Mercury traits. upon my chat with her I found these

details:

>

>

> · There was a person (Ethopian American) associated with

the chamber of commerce who was after her, he held the highest

position for a non Saudi in Saudi and was always with ambassadors and

diplomats (maybe this is the Mercury person that you speak about, I

thought this since Mercury represents business too, although this guy

looks more of a Sun person)

>

> · There were two surgeons and one doctor (Saudi national)

also who were after her and made life miserable for her (these could

be the Jupiterean influence maybe, as Jupiter also represents healers

according to my limited knowledge, although surgeon might indicate

more of Mars)

>

> · Right now there could be a Jupiterean influence since she

has now fallen in love with another foreigner, who has some sort of

spiritual background.

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>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will ask her and post the details in the list in this

respect

>

>

>

> 3. Miscarried a child in April 2000 and then gave birth to a

daughter in April 2001 in Australia

> [Rath:] This must be before April 20 2000 in Ketu-Rahu-Venus

period. Who was the prospective father? Mr.Rahu?? Tell her she has

lost a fantastic son (see Mars in Sg in D7). Next child is indicated

by Moon in Scorpio in D7 - daughter. Come Jupiter and she got out of

the direct influence of the sarpa yoga and other evils.

>

> SJ: She confirms that the child (miscarriage) is of that Indian

Muslim she was in love with in Saudi. Although she admits that during

the brief period when she returned to Australia she was raped by one

lesbian friend (having manly qualities), this happened in between her

love relationship with the Indian, but she didn't tell of this event

to him. This rape thing she told me maybe since she felt you saw some

other influence in her life during the period. The miscarriage was

before April 20 2002 and in the period you have predicted.

>

> There have been two rape attempts also on her.

>

>

>

> [jk] yes the miscarriage was before 20th april and the muslim boy

(Mr. Rahu) was the father.

>

>

>

> 4. While in Saudi she had a lot of lucid dreaming with snakes.

> [Rath:] Did you notice the sarpa yoga? I find no mention of this.

Also there is no mention of Rahu aspecting the 9th lord Mercury which

is the cause of the dreams. Dreams of snakes is indicative of

terrible enemies working against her. Mercury is also the 6th lord.

>

> Sunil: She confirms that she had lot of enemies in Saudi and also

in Australia. All things related to teenage jealousy etc.

>

> 5. Arround July'1999, while in Saudi..she started seeing spirits.

She tells that one woman there, who threatened her earlier on account

of relationship jealousy - applied black magic on her.

> [Rath:] No I don't agree with this. The sixth lord is Mercury and

it does not have any contact with the badhak sign Scorpio nor with

the badhakesh Mars. Sixth lord conjoining debilitated Venus indicates

that she had problems and fight with a woman but there is no

indication that that lady was able to do any black magic that

afflicted her. What she suffers from is prarabdha karma and this is

due to a past life karma that she carries.

>

> SJ: She feels that the black magic on her was done by a African

woman, this African woman was in love with a doctor who wanted to

marry our subject to get into Australia, hence the African woman

hated our native for it. From What I feel it isn't a case of total

possession but just outside trouble but still I reproduce her own

words.

>

> Sanjayji can you kindly expand on prarabdha karma and what is the

past life karma this native carries as to cause so much of suffering

in this lifetime.

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>

>

>

> Spirit Possession:

>

> I am really not that sure of exactly when it started, I think

around June or

>

> July 1999. When I went to bed that night I saw a dark figure come

into

>

> my room but at the time I was not scared. I had a dream before it

>

> happened. It was in the compound I was living at the time in Saudi

and

>

> the sky was blood red. There was a beast that had been sacrificed

on a

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> big slab of cement, its throat had been cut. Then I heard the

phone ring

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> and in my dream I picked up the phone but could also see this old

>

> woman at the end of the line. She said that the devil will go

through me

>

> and Paula as well. And then that is when it happened. It was

violent and

>

> twisted my body in ways that I didn't think possible. The woman

that I

>

> believed did this to me was the face that was above me but very

twisted,

>

> deformed and ugly. I was constantly calling for Jesus Christ and I

saw

>

> his figure walk through the door of my room and that it when it

released

>

> me. The next morning when I went to walk out the front door there

was

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> a very big pool of blood at my front door.

>

>

>

> It kept coming back for months and entering my body but each time

was

>

> a bit weaker than the last. It was especially strong around each

full

>

> moon. And over the months Paula's baby kept deteriorating until it

>

> eventually died without any doctors in Saudi or Ireland being able

to

>

> explain why. The woman that I believe did this because I was

friends

>

> with the man that she loves. They were both from Sudan. She would

>

> always seem run into me all the time at work and she always looked

at

>

> me with a smirk on her face.

>

>

>

> More excerpts from the chat:

>

> well it used to come back every night. Take over my body etc... As

I said the wind in my throat, can not move my body can not scream

etc. But it was never as violent again as the first time. The first

time I saw my limbs being twisted in directions it should not have

been. The next day I had bruises and a lot of swelling over my body

>

> for months it would come back but especially around a full moon it

was very strong again.

>

> After a long time it happened few weeks back, but this time there

were more hands when they were trying to make love to me, its so

revolting Sunil u don't know the feeling.

>

> Sunil pls tell your Guru, re the incident that I told one week

back, just when I had received the mantra , this vision came to me

and that woman was very angry , her face was full of wild anger, but

I was surrounded with walls and she was outside the wall. I think she

is angry I took that Mantra, also yesterday I started researching on

Lord Shiva from the net. You said he would protect me.

>

>

>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will take further detail from her and post the same. It

seems that she still insists on the black magic done to her by an

african woman

>

>

>

> This woman is reported to have very high passion which leads her

into various relations and subsequent troubles. But she is not happy

with her own passion and feels guilty about it. Is it due to her

placement of Ke in 7th - who acts like Mars creating lot of passions

and debilated AK Venus - who tries to show her the correct way? Plz

note that Ven is also aspected by Rahu- aflicting Ven as well as Sun.

> [Rath:] True. Venus shows correct way? Like how?? Please spell out.

Of course I missed it - Venus is Atmakaraka, so she will learn life

through terrible mistakes related to sexual activity and 'love'.

(Gauranga made this point earlier about AK Venus).

>

>

>

> [jk] this is very much true in this case.

>

> Sunil : Dear Sanjayji and Jkda, the query posted by the woman is in

her twenties she was involved in sex acts of extreme nature that

cannot be mentioned in this list, she found pleasure in them but also

trouble due to the associations of those kind of people, now after

her child birth esp she has mellowed down and avoided them to a large

extent. She loves her child and wants to give her a wonderful future.

But she knows her body and wants to know if she would go back to her

old ways as her body still likes those sex acts, but her mind doesn't

as of now, so what is the path for her and when and how will it

manifest.

>

> AK Ven might have surely given her some sense of direction, also

from the last 10 yrs the native has slowly been involved in reading

of newage books on spirituality. I feel now a new period in her life

should start in God realization, don't know why but I feel this,

maybe gurus can comment.

>

>

>

> AK Ven is debilated and in the star of Mars. She left her birth

place in Ke-Ma-Me dasa. Ke is in her 7th house of foreign journey and

Ve is in Virgo. She came back as her Ke-Jup started. Jup is her DK in

badhaka sthana. Actually the main reason for her coming back was

disappointment created due to refusal of the boy to marry her.

Religion (karaka Jup) was the main reason for the muslim boy's

refusal. Her AL is in 12th from UL and this was her 1st serious

relationship with intention to marry. Hence rejection by her would be

spouse is clear from the chart.

> [Rath:] Excellent. See how a Jupiter placed in badhak can cause

differences related to religion. Brilliant point. So whose child is

the daughter?? GRAPES ARE SOUR - the boy says no and so she finds it

convenient to blame a woman for black magic. Rejection is something

lovers find hard to digest.

>

> Sunil: She got the vision and temporary body possession with the

face of the woman who did it, according to her before the affair with

the Indian muslim started. Both were in love with each other, but he

rejected her since he felt he had committed a sin by producing the

child, also if he married her then his 2 sisters in India would not

get married. She understands his point of view but feels unhappy

about her kid being called a bastard. He still loves her and wants to

be in Australia with her, but he keeps on being indecisive, now she

has given up on him after so many yrs of waiting and begging him and

now currently fallen in love with another person and wants to marry.

>

> Also, I feel that she goes to too many psychics who tell her all

sort of stupid things ( personal view – nothing against psychics).

The point I want to make is she has no clear cut guidance in life.

>

> So she fears that the black magic might have separated her first

Love, and now she fears that once again it might act up. As advised

by Jkda she has been asked to do UL fasting which she has started

already. Does she have Vivaha Dosha , does she need to perform more

remedies.

>

> She feels if it is necessary when she has money she would travel to

India (currently she is unemployed by choice in order to take care of

her kid), if any rituals are to be performed to ward off her Sarpa

Dosha or any more afflictions.

>

> The child is of the Indian muslim that she was in love with and

wanted to marry, I think their affair continued for over 2 years. The

chart of the child is attached for perusal. The time of birth is as

given by doctors.

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>

>

>

>

> In rashi, 9th house has rahu aspect-shows problem for 1st child

birth. In her D7, lagna is Le - odd sign. counting in zodiac

direction, 5th from Le (Sg) has Mars...showing medical problems. her

miscarriage occured in Ke-Ra-Ve dasa. Ve is in Mars star. 3rd from Sg

is Aq. Lord Sa is in Cp a female rashi. So her 2nd child was a

daughter.

> [Rath:] So my guess was right - Venus pratyantar as Venus is TENTH

LORD in Saptamsa and aspects the fifth house. Also see the dictum

about Rasi chart Lagna lord in 5th house..first child....

>

>

>

> Dreaming of snakes:

>

> She has 3 malefics in 2 kendras. It should be a sarpa dosha. Can we

confer that the dreaming of snakes were due to the sarpa dosha? This

happened in her Ke-Ra dasa.

> [Rath:] Sarpa yoga - correct JK

>

>

>

> Black magic & Preta dosha:

>

> She becomes adept to black magic due to,

>

> 1. Ketu and Sat aspecting each other and have connection to 5th

house.

> [Rath:] Ok first pregnancy was miscarriage (ask her if this

miscarriage was FORCED like say abortion).

>

>

>

> SJ: Last night she confirmed that it was a miscarriage andnot

abortion, she stupidly took a vitamin tablet which her friend had

warned her was a bit too strong on stomach, but she said that her

stomach is super strong , at that time she said she was very very

stressed in life and also the tension of telling her parents that

she was pregnant.

>

>

>

> 2. AL in dual rashi..conjunct with 6L Mer and Ket in 7th behaving

like mars (as Ketu is alone)

> [Rath:] come off it. Loneliness and depression following rejection

in love can make people see things. Preta badhak is far too serious a

thing and if the affliction actually occurs, then there will be

tremendous violence and some terrible physical conditions that beyond

normal description. Split personality and other traits are noticed. i

have witness only one preta badhak till now and also saw the

exorcism. Long time back - durig Sat-Venus period when I was studying

these things.

>

>

>

> [jk] The description of her fisrt experience of sighting spirits

tells about a violent and painfull physical condition also.

>

>

>

> Here we are not very clear on one thing. Are the preta dosha /

badha and pishacha badha are two different things? And if so..how

both manifest? And what are the indication in a chart that the native

will be able to see or communicate with spirits? Do such ability come

from such dosha?

>

> SJ: She tells from the age of 21 to 28 there was a spirit guide who

would always speak to her, when she told her friends they warned her

not to tell to anyone otherwise she would be declared mad or non

religious. Earlier she was afraid of this voice, but when the spirit

started always guiding her and warning her, she felt nice about the

spirit since she was always getting into trouble and associations

with the wrong kind of people. At the later age she spirit infact

saved her from a road accident by telling her to slow down and just

few secs later the accident happened, if she hadn't slowed down she

would have banged into it. The communication was only one way with

the spirit, and when she wanted to talk he would never come, he would

only talk to her on his own time.

>

> Re the current scenario not sure if it is black magic or spirits

troubling, but the current house she lives in , was earlier inhabited

by aboriginals. She keeps seeings faces, etc, now her child also sees

and many atimes she and her child sees them together, then the child

says : Mommmmy, look a man. One week back she saw many people and

then later in the night the child came back to her in bed and said :

Mommmy there are many people in my room.

>

> These are just two instances

>

> She fears terribly for her child, she doesn't know if the black

magic is diff from the spirits in the current house as it was

inhabited by some aboriginals who were known to be a bit on the dark

side of nature.

>

>

>

> Now her badhaka lord is Mars..who is also aspecting Sat by rashi

dristi and Ket by graha dristi. This constitutes Preta Badha or the

native is so haunted by spirits. Also combination of Ketu & Mars

causes Preta dosha as well as affliction by spirits.

>

>

>

> It may be note here that 7th house is involved in the dosha..and

the dosha got kick started due to problems of 7th house affairs.

> [Rath:] Agreed about this that the 7th house is the cause of the

sarpa entangling her in a terrible mess. During Ketu-Jup she might

have contemplated suicide as well. But then its over now.

>

> Sunil: Sanjayji, she says that during Ketu Jup period she didn't

contemplate of suicide but she confirms that it was a very very

stressful period, with all sorts of family problems, she wasa single

mom, the stigma, her lover wasn't coming to her, she was sick for a

long time due to troublesome child birth, no one to take care of her

or give sound advice.

>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will confirm this from her

>

>

>

> Remedy:

>

> Jup aspects Ketu and Rahu+mars all by rashi dristi and Sat by graha

dristi. So it was felt that Jup can give the solution. Jup is in 9th

from moon so gem will not work. Maha Mrityunjaya mantra was suggested

for the native to avert the effect of black magic and haunting by

spirits. Mrityunjaya mantra being the best remedy for such doshas.

This mantra must do the needfull also due to the reason that her ketu

dasa is ending and ven dasa would start shortly and venus is the

owner of mrityunjaya mantra. Sun indicates her ista as Shiva. Jup

also indicates Shiva in higher form. So Mrityunjaya mantra will

propiciate Jup & Sun also. Jup is aspecting Ketu. So by propiciating

Jup..ketu will get a head and become ganesha to drive away the

spirits.

> [Rath:] PERFECT JK da..all the hard work you have done on remedial

measures is paying off now.

>

>

>

> [jk] i am personally very much encouraged by your kind words. and

surely Hy conference has given a new direction to our studies.

>

> Sunil: She thanks for the mantra and listens to it daily and is

slowly trying to recite it. Last night she has thanked everyone

Sanjayji, Jkda, Chandrashekharji, Sarajitji, Visti and other learned

members with all of her heart and hopes to receive their guidance

forever.

>

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> Is the remedy suggested is correct?

>

>

>

> Please guide us with further valuable comments on the same - from

gurus and other learned members.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> dasgupta

> [Rath:] Very very good and challenging case study. I have seen that

sometimes the groups gets carried away in a particular thread. This

is due to the planetary positions for the day when the meeting was

being held. For example when this chart was being discussed, the Moon

was in exact 180 degrees aspect with Saturn!!!..so i don't blame

anyone. The graha are powerful...

>

>

>

> Sit back sometimes and think about the other alternatives with a

silent prayer to Shiva.

>

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Sanjay

>

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