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- N.Anna

varahamihira

Friday, July 11, 2003 3:15 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

Dear Brendan,

 

I like your post,unfortunately it has nothing to do with mine.

You DO have PhD and don't use it- not harmful at all /I do the same, by the way-

if you recognize that in my knowledge, expertise, ok. Do you remember what I

wrote about medical science? It is changing, though, not by revolution /and

nobody DIED/but by evolution.

 

Brendan, I also like your 'rebelliousness' against educational institutions, but

again, that's not an issue .Since you are medical practitioner I am sure you

never forget that ugly legal word 'liability'

 

Sanjay's liability is different: starting with shaking norms which are NECESSARY

for ANY institutions to function properly and allows growth, like it ot not, and

Sanjay has done a great job...No matter how capable the Leader is, nobody can do

that IN THE LONG RUN /and I believe that Sanjay has never planed SJC to be an

attraction and disappear shortly/

Sanjay does have natural authority, and I will tell you here that I would

certainly abstain from any comment when disappointed personally with the [erson

I owe so much of knowledge. But this is about Sanjay's responsibility/

 

What is that Sanjay broke, you are so exalted about? The rules he obviously

didn't know about, consequences that he missed to think about...And You, his

friend, his councellor? encourage that?

Brendan, I am sorry, neither you nor Mr.Abott can defend indefensible, and sorry

if I am wrong, I do see that this way/There is a reason for that old saying "God

save me from my friends" I am able to deal with enemies..

Sanjay has shown his bravery- please Sanjay let other be brave at their own

cost- you are smart and honest person, you'll know how to deal with many tough

issues that you chose and have been meant to follow you success./ I chose to

send my 1st message to only two, more 'specialized' lists, that the 'skeleton

stays in in family's closet..

 

One can be brilliant, but if 'his' councilors only node and flatter the Boss, or

are intellectually 'slower' , narrow minded, or uniformed, or selfish, or

disinterested in true interests of SJC - it's better not to have any.

=========================================

Dear Sanjay,

You Have given lot to all of us, and on this day /bit earlier-lol, and on my

son's Birthday/ Thanks giving Day, I thank you for all the knowledge you helped

me achieve.

 

Wishing you all the best, sincerely,

Anna

 

-

Bpfeeley (AT) AOL (DOT) COM

varahamihira ;

Friday, July 11, 2003 1:28 AM

|Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:34:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anmar (AT) attcanada (DOT) ca writes:Om Krishna GuruDear Anna & Jay,Grandiosity is a

wonderful thing and it always contains the seed for re-birth and the delivery

of self to a more meaningful state of being. Titles don't matter at all and I

personally refuse to use them. I prefer to be a fly on the wall than a

professor in a big hall.I carried the title once in a real legitimate

institution and it made no difference at all. It is all shadow.I have to say

that many of those who do carry the title in the real world have little to

teach and care less about real knowledge. Education, especially in the USA has

become a production line and a very expensive one at that. And from what I see

the rest of the world follows close behind. The soul is completely neglected

and so is wisdom of any kind. Would any of us go to an academic for spiritual

guidance? Unlikely.So why shouldn't Sanjay introduce a new type of Professor to

this blind and thoughtless world if he so wishes? It may be a seed that will

sprout wholesome food, something that will nourish the neglected soul of the

cosmos, the world and the individual. The world suffers because of neglect and

ignorance. And so does the cosmos and so does the individual. Where do we learn

to neglect the soul? We learn it in those institutions and religions that teach

us to ignore ourselves.Why do we automatically regard those soulless

institutions to be the paragons in matters of knowledge and learning? Do they

hold the template or standard for the true meaning of the title Professor? What

does it mean to Profess what one knows?Education has become a barren land in

many ways. Yes, good things happen and I don't mean to condemn all of it but I

refuse to accept it as the golden standard and I hope you don't either. But we

have to ask if all this education that is promoted as the standard is actually

helping people, helping our world or is it leading to self destruction. I see

more of the latter.When I did my undergraduate and graduate studies in Ireland

in the late 1960's and early 1970's, if we reproduced in an examination what we

read in a book we were failed. We had to come up with our own original ideas and

apply the fundamental principles of the subject to justify our conclusions. It

is called original thought. The examination was presented in such a manner that

it demanded originality.When I came to the USA in the late 1970's and was

teaching undergraduate work, the students freaked as I was teaching as I was

taught. I set the examinations according to my own experiences. The department

head had to have a little chat with me and I was asked to create a generous

curve to ensure that everybody passed the test. Even in Ireland this has

arrived to the world of "education" but not to the same extent.This kind of

education and training breeds automatons and in this sense Aldous Huxley's

world is in our neighbourhood.So I hail Sanjay for taking the bold step outside

the square box. Academics & Professors have always been embarrassed by

astrology. The intellect is generally embarrassed by anything that doesn't

honor itself as the center of existence. This is the nature of the ego. Sanjay

has now introduced a new type of Professor, one that honors the cosmos to be

the center and the intellect is delegated to a lesser place. It is much more

imaginative, more intelligent and carries more dignity for the soul and the

Divine. Imagine the headlines! I always enjoy a good laugh and I like to watch

the comedy of errors. What would the world be if we didn't have some deviation

from the golden standard? That ball is meant to be broken and besides we are

now in a new era and the old paradigm is wan.I congratulate Sanjay for his bold

impulse and if these Professors are worth their salt, they will show the Ph.D.'s

of the world the real nature of knowledge and learning. I encourage Sanjay to

take on this glorious and worthy goal.Congratulations Sanjay! Take it all the

way to the Chancellor and Vice Chancellor of SJC! It is a noble cause and it

will bring the spark of the Atman back into the life of many who are fed up of

the barren land of dry and meaningless learning.Warm Regards,Brendan

Dear All, I hope everyone will recognize your good faith, Jay, and mine in

this matter. SJC doesn't need this, let alone Jyotish- It can harm a lot,

both. IMHO- it is a seed of self-destruction of SJC, and for that reason only,

I feel bad about this. Do we need depreciative titles, that people ridicule

for right reasons for a long time, likle Cold Water Managers and PhD

Carpenters... We do not need artificial pumping for what already HAS REAL

value, Jyotish and Silicon Breasts-how do that sound to you dear friends? What

was definition of lack of vanity and other requirements of morality written by

OLD sages, we all claim to accept as ULTIMATE AUTHORITY I do have interest of

SJC and Jyotish in mind, and I hope you trust me. Really sad,Anna|Om Tat

Sat|http://www.varahamihira Your use of is

subject to the |Om Tat

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[Guest guest]

Pranam,

 

hi everyone,

 

I am just a student and I am sure that you guys are very learned.

 

But, you are making a big deal for no reason. let it go. There are

lot of other issues that can be discussed and can be helpful to the

students of vedic astrology.

 

Jayesh

 

 

 

, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

>

> -

> N.Anna

> varahamihira

> Friday, July 11, 2003 3:15 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

>

>

> Dear Brendan,

>

> I like your post,unfortunately it has nothing to do with mine.

> You DO have PhD and don't use it- not harmful at all /I do the

same, by the way- if you recognize that in my knowledge, expertise,

ok. Do you remember what I wrote about medical science? It is

changing, though, not by revolution /and nobody DIED/but by evolution.

>

> Brendan, I also like your 'rebelliousness' against educational

institutions, but again, that's not an issue .Since you are medical

practitioner I am sure you never forget that ugly legal

word 'liability'

>

> Sanjay's liability is different: starting with shaking norms which

are NECESSARY for ANY institutions to function properly and allows

growth, like it ot not, and Sanjay has done a great job...No matter

how capable the Leader is, nobody can do that IN THE LONG RUN /and I

believe that Sanjay has never planed SJC to be an attraction and

disappear shortly/

> Sanjay does have natural authority, and I will tell you here that I

would certainly abstain from any comment when disappointed personally

with the [erson I owe so much of knowledge. But this is about

Sanjay's responsibility/

>

> What is that Sanjay broke, you are so exalted about? The rules he

obviously didn't know about, consequences that he missed to think

about...And You, his friend, his councellor? encourage that?

> Brendan, I am sorry, neither you nor Mr.Abott can defend

indefensible, and sorry if I am wrong, I do see that this way/There

is a reason for that old saying "God save me from my friends" I am

able to deal with enemies..

> Sanjay has shown his bravery- please Sanjay let other be brave at

their own cost- you are smart and honest person, you'll know how to

deal with many tough issues that you chose and have been meant to

follow you success./ I chose to send my 1st message to only two,

more 'specialized' lists, that the 'skeleton stays in in family's

closet..

>

> One can be brilliant, but if 'his' councilors only node and flatter

the Boss, or are intellectually 'slower' , narrow minded, or

uniformed, or selfish, or disinterested in true interests of SJC -

it's better not to have any.

> =========================================

> Dear Sanjay,

> You Have given lot to all of us, and on this day /bit earlier-lol,

and on my son's Birthday/ Thanks giving Day, I thank you for all the

knowledge you helped me achieve.

>

> Wishing you all the best, sincerely,

> Anna

>

> -

> Bpfeeley@A...

> varahamihira ;

> Friday, July 11, 2003 1:28 AM

> |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

>

>

> In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:34:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anmar@a... writes:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Dear Anna & Jay,

>

> Grandiosity is a wonderful thing and it always contains the seed

for re-birth and the delivery of self to a more meaningful state of

being. Titles don't matter at all and I personally refuse to use

them. I prefer to be a fly on the wall than a professor in a big hall.

>

> I carried the title once in a real legitimate institution and it

made no difference at all. It is all shadow.

>

> I have to say that many of those who do carry the title in the

real world have little to teach and care less about real knowledge.

Education, especially in the USA has become a production line and a

very expensive one at that. And from what I see the rest of the world

follows close behind. The soul is completely neglected and so is

wisdom of any kind. Would any of us go to an academic for spiritual

guidance? Unlikely.

>

> So why shouldn't Sanjay introduce a new type of Professor to this

blind and thoughtless world if he so wishes? It may be a seed that

will sprout wholesome food, something that will nourish the neglected

soul of the cosmos, the world and the individual. The world suffers

because of neglect and ignorance. And so does the cosmos and so does

the individual. Where do we learn to neglect the soul? We learn it in

those institutions and religions that teach us to ignore ourselves.

>

> Why do we automatically regard those soulless institutions to be

the paragons in matters of knowledge and learning? Do they hold the

template or standard for the true meaning of the title Professor?

What does it mean to Profess what one knows?

>

> Education has become a barren land in many ways. Yes, good things

happen and I don't mean to condemn all of it but I refuse to accept

it as the golden standard and I hope you don't either. But we have to

ask if all this education that is promoted as the standard is

actually helping people, helping our world or is it leading to self

destruction. I see more of the latter.

>

> When I did my undergraduate and graduate studies in Ireland in

the late 1960's and early 1970's, if we reproduced in an examination

what we read in a book we were failed. We had to come up with our own

original ideas and apply the fundamental principles of the subject to

justify our conclusions. It is called original thought. The

examination was presented in such a manner that it demanded

originality.

>

> When I came to the USA in the late 1970's and was teaching

undergraduate work, the students freaked as I was teaching as I was

taught. I set the examinations according to my own experiences. The

department head had to have a little chat with me and I was asked to

create a generous curve to ensure that everybody passed the test.

Even in Ireland this has arrived to the world of "education" but not

to the same extent.

>

> This kind of education and training breeds automatons and in this

sense Aldous Huxley's world is in our neighbourhood.

>

> So I hail Sanjay for taking the bold step outside the square box.

Academics & Professors have always been embarrassed by astrology. The

intellect is generally embarrassed by anything that doesn't honor

itself as the center of existence. This is the nature of the ego.

>

> Sanjay has now introduced a new type of Professor, one that

honors the cosmos to be the center and the intellect is delegated to

a lesser place. It is much more imaginative, more intelligent and

carries more dignity for the soul and the Divine.

>

> Imagine the headlines! I always enjoy a good laugh and I like to

watch the comedy of errors. What would the world be if we didn't have

some deviation from the golden standard? That ball is meant to be

broken and besides we are now in a new era and the old paradigm is

wan.

>

> I congratulate Sanjay for his bold impulse and if these

Professors are worth their salt, they will show the Ph.D.'s of the

world the real nature of knowledge and learning. I encourage Sanjay

to take on this glorious and worthy goal.

>

> Congratulations Sanjay! Take it all the way to the Chancellor and

Vice Chancellor of SJC! It is a noble cause and it will bring the

spark of the Atman back into the life of many who are fed up of the

barren land of dry and meaningless learning.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear All,

>

> I hope everyone will recognize your good faith, Jay, and mine

in this matter.

>

> SJC doesn't need this, let alone Jyotish- It can harm a lot,

both. IMHO- it is a seed of self-destruction of SJC, and for that

reason only, I feel bad about this.

>

> Do we need depreciative titles, that people ridicule for right

reasons for a long time, likle Cold Water Managers and

> PhD Carpenters... We do not need artificial pumping for what

already HAS REAL value,

> Jyotish and Silicon Breasts-how do that sound to you dear

friends?

>

> What was definition of lack of vanity and other requirements

of morality written by OLD sages, we all claim to accept as ULTIMATE

AUTHORITY

>

> I do have interest of SJC and Jyotish in mind, and I hope you

trust me.

>

> Really sad,

> Anna

>

>

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

> Sponsor

>

>

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pranam,

 

by the way, Congratulation to all the new appointed Gurus.

 

 

Jayesh

 

 

, "Jayesh" <ejd041@e...> wrote:

> Pranam,

>

> hi everyone,

>

> I am just a student and I am sure that you guys are very learned.

>

> But, you are making a big deal for no reason. let it go. There

are

> lot of other issues that can be discussed and can be helpful to the

> students of vedic astrology.

>

> Jayesh

>

>

>

> , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > N.Anna

> > varahamihira

> > Friday, July 11, 2003 3:15 AM

> > Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and

Administra...

> >

> >

> > Dear Brendan,

> >

> > I like your post,unfortunately it has nothing to do with mine.

> > You DO have PhD and don't use it- not harmful at all /I do the

> same, by the way- if you recognize that in my knowledge, expertise,

> ok. Do you remember what I wrote about medical science? It is

> changing, though, not by revolution /and nobody DIED/but by

evolution.

> >

> > Brendan, I also like your 'rebelliousness' against educational

> institutions, but again, that's not an issue .Since you are medical

> practitioner I am sure you never forget that ugly legal

> word 'liability'

> >

> > Sanjay's liability is different: starting with shaking norms

which

> are NECESSARY for ANY institutions to function properly and allows

> growth, like it ot not, and Sanjay has done a great job...No matter

> how capable the Leader is, nobody can do that IN THE LONG RUN /and

I

> believe that Sanjay has never planed SJC to be an attraction and

> disappear shortly/

> > Sanjay does have natural authority, and I will tell you here that

I

> would certainly abstain from any comment when disappointed

personally

> with the [erson I owe so much of knowledge. But this is about

> Sanjay's responsibility/

> >

> > What is that Sanjay broke, you are so exalted about? The rules

he

> obviously didn't know about, consequences that he missed to think

> about...And You, his friend, his councellor? encourage that?

> > Brendan, I am sorry, neither you nor Mr.Abott can defend

> indefensible, and sorry if I am wrong, I do see that this way/There

> is a reason for that old saying "God save me from my friends" I am

> able to deal with enemies..

> > Sanjay has shown his bravery- please Sanjay let other be brave at

> their own cost- you are smart and honest person, you'll know how to

> deal with many tough issues that you chose and have been meant to

> follow you success./ I chose to send my 1st message to only two,

> more 'specialized' lists, that the 'skeleton stays in in family's

> closet..

> >

> > One can be brilliant, but if 'his' councilors only node and

flatter

> the Boss, or are intellectually 'slower' , narrow minded, or

> uniformed, or selfish, or disinterested in true interests of SJC -

> it's better not to have any.

> > =========================================

> > Dear Sanjay,

> > You Have given lot to all of us, and on this day /bit earlier-

lol,

> and on my son's Birthday/ Thanks giving Day, I thank you for all

the

> knowledge you helped me achieve.

> >

> > Wishing you all the best, sincerely,

> > Anna

> >

> > -

> > Bpfeeley@A...

> > varahamihira ;

> > Friday, July 11, 2003 1:28 AM

> > |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:34:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> anmar@a... writes:

> >

> > Om Krishna Guru

> >

> > Dear Anna & Jay,

> >

> > Grandiosity is a wonderful thing and it always contains the

seed

> for re-birth and the delivery of self to a more meaningful state of

> being. Titles don't matter at all and I personally refuse to use

> them. I prefer to be a fly on the wall than a professor in a big

hall.

> >

> > I carried the title once in a real legitimate institution and

it

> made no difference at all. It is all shadow.

> >

> > I have to say that many of those who do carry the title in the

> real world have little to teach and care less about real knowledge.

> Education, especially in the USA has become a production line and a

> very expensive one at that. And from what I see the rest of the

world

> follows close behind. The soul is completely neglected and so is

> wisdom of any kind. Would any of us go to an academic for spiritual

> guidance? Unlikely.

> >

> > So why shouldn't Sanjay introduce a new type of Professor to

this

> blind and thoughtless world if he so wishes? It may be a seed that

> will sprout wholesome food, something that will nourish the

neglected

> soul of the cosmos, the world and the individual. The world suffers

> because of neglect and ignorance. And so does the cosmos and so

does

> the individual. Where do we learn to neglect the soul? We learn it

in

> those institutions and religions that teach us to ignore ourselves.

> >

> > Why do we automatically regard those soulless institutions to

be

> the paragons in matters of knowledge and learning? Do they hold the

> template or standard for the true meaning of the title Professor?

> What does it mean to Profess what one knows?

> >

> > Education has become a barren land in many ways. Yes, good

things

> happen and I don't mean to condemn all of it but I refuse to accept

> it as the golden standard and I hope you don't either. But we have

to

> ask if all this education that is promoted as the standard is

> actually helping people, helping our world or is it leading to self

> destruction. I see more of the latter.

> >

> > When I did my undergraduate and graduate studies in Ireland in

> the late 1960's and early 1970's, if we reproduced in an

examination

> what we read in a book we were failed. We had to come up with our

own

> original ideas and apply the fundamental principles of the subject

to

> justify our conclusions. It is called original thought. The

> examination was presented in such a manner that it demanded

> originality.

> >

> > When I came to the USA in the late 1970's and was teaching

> undergraduate work, the students freaked as I was teaching as I was

> taught. I set the examinations according to my own experiences. The

> department head had to have a little chat with me and I was asked

to

> create a generous curve to ensure that everybody passed the test.

> Even in Ireland this has arrived to the world of "education" but

not

> to the same extent.

> >

> > This kind of education and training breeds automatons and in

this

> sense Aldous Huxley's world is in our neighbourhood.

> >

> > So I hail Sanjay for taking the bold step outside the square

box.

> Academics & Professors have always been embarrassed by astrology.

The

> intellect is generally embarrassed by anything that doesn't honor

> itself as the center of existence. This is the nature of the ego.

> >

> > Sanjay has now introduced a new type of Professor, one that

> honors the cosmos to be the center and the intellect is delegated

to

> a lesser place. It is much more imaginative, more intelligent and

> carries more dignity for the soul and the Divine.

> >

> > Imagine the headlines! I always enjoy a good laugh and I like

to

> watch the comedy of errors. What would the world be if we didn't

have

> some deviation from the golden standard? That ball is meant to be

> broken and besides we are now in a new era and the old paradigm is

> wan.

> >

> > I congratulate Sanjay for his bold impulse and if these

> Professors are worth their salt, they will show the Ph.D.'s of the

> world the real nature of knowledge and learning. I encourage Sanjay

> to take on this glorious and worthy goal.

> >

> > Congratulations Sanjay! Take it all the way to the Chancellor

and

> Vice Chancellor of SJC! It is a noble cause and it will bring the

> spark of the Atman back into the life of many who are fed up of the

> barren land of dry and meaningless learning.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Brendan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > I hope everyone will recognize your good faith, Jay, and

mine

> in this matter.

> >

> > SJC doesn't need this, let alone Jyotish- It can harm a lot,

> both. IMHO- it is a seed of self-destruction of SJC, and for that

> reason only, I feel bad about this.

> >

> > Do we need depreciative titles, that people ridicule for

right

> reasons for a long time, likle Cold Water Managers and

> > PhD Carpenters... We do not need artificial pumping for what

> already HAS REAL value,

> > Jyotish and Silicon Breasts-how do that sound to you dear

> friends?

> >

> > What was definition of lack of vanity and other requirements

> of morality written by OLD sages, we all claim to accept as

ULTIMATE

> AUTHORITY

> >

> > I do have interest of SJC and Jyotish in mind, and I hope you

> trust me.

> >

> > Really sad,

> > Anna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> > Sponsor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> > Terms of

Service.