|Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

July 11, 2003

Pranam,

hi everyone,

I am just a student and I am sure that you guys are very learned.

But, you are making a big deal for no reason. let it go. There are

lot of other issues that can be discussed and can be helpful to the

students of vedic astrology.

Jayesh

, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

>

> -

> N.Anna

> varahamihira

> Friday, July 11, 2003 3:15 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

>

> Dear Brendan,

>

> I like your post,unfortunately it has nothing to do with mine.

> You DO have PhD and don't use it- not harmful at all /I do the

same, by the way- if you recognize that in my knowledge, expertise,

ok. Do you remember what I wrote about medical science? It is

changing, though, not by revolution /and nobody DIED/but by evolution.

>

> Brendan, I also like your 'rebelliousness' against educational

institutions, but again, that's not an issue .Since you are medical

practitioner I am sure you never forget that ugly legal

word 'liability'

>

> Sanjay's liability is different: starting with shaking norms which

are NECESSARY for ANY institutions to function properly and allows

growth, like it ot not, and Sanjay has done a great job...No matter

how capable the Leader is, nobody can do that IN THE LONG RUN /and I

believe that Sanjay has never planed SJC to be an attraction and

disappear shortly/

> Sanjay does have natural authority, and I will tell you here that I

would certainly abstain from any comment when disappointed personally

with the [erson I owe so much of knowledge. But this is about

Sanjay's responsibility/

>

> What is that Sanjay broke, you are so exalted about? The rules he

obviously didn't know about, consequences that he missed to think

about...And You, his friend, his councellor? encourage that?

> Brendan, I am sorry, neither you nor Mr.Abott can defend

indefensible, and sorry if I am wrong, I do see that this way/There

is a reason for that old saying "God save me from my friends" I am

able to deal with enemies..

> Sanjay has shown his bravery- please Sanjay let other be brave at

their own cost- you are smart and honest person, you'll know how to

deal with many tough issues that you chose and have been meant to

follow you success./ I chose to send my 1st message to only two,

more 'specialized' lists, that the 'skeleton stays in in family's

closet..

>

> One can be brilliant, but if 'his' councilors only node and flatter

the Boss, or are intellectually 'slower' , narrow minded, or

uniformed, or selfish, or disinterested in true interests of SJC -

it's better not to have any.

> =========================================

> Dear Sanjay,

> You Have given lot to all of us, and on this day /bit earlier-lol,

and on my son's Birthday/ Thanks giving Day, I thank you for all the

knowledge you helped me achieve.

>

> Wishing you all the best, sincerely,

> Anna

>

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> Bpfeeley@A...

> varahamihira ;

> Friday, July 11, 2003 1:28 AM

> |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

>

> In a message dated 7/10/2003 7:34:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anmar@a... writes:

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Dear Anna & Jay,

>

> Grandiosity is a wonderful thing and it always contains the seed

for re-birth and the delivery of self to a more meaningful state of

being. Titles don't matter at all and I personally refuse to use

them. I prefer to be a fly on the wall than a professor in a big hall.

>

> I carried the title once in a real legitimate institution and it

made no difference at all. It is all shadow.

>

> I have to say that many of those who do carry the title in the

real world have little to teach and care less about real knowledge.

Education, especially in the USA has become a production line and a

very expensive one at that. And from what I see the rest of the world

follows close behind. The soul is completely neglected and so is

wisdom of any kind. Would any of us go to an academic for spiritual

guidance? Unlikely.

>

> So why shouldn't Sanjay introduce a new type of Professor to this

blind and thoughtless world if he so wishes? It may be a seed that

will sprout wholesome food, something that will nourish the neglected

soul of the cosmos, the world and the individual. The world suffers

because of neglect and ignorance. And so does the cosmos and so does

the individual. Where do we learn to neglect the soul? We learn it in

those institutions and religions that teach us to ignore ourselves.

>

> Why do we automatically regard those soulless institutions to be

the paragons in matters of knowledge and learning? Do they hold the

template or standard for the true meaning of the title Professor?

What does it mean to Profess what one knows?

>

> Education has become a barren land in many ways. Yes, good things

happen and I don't mean to condemn all of it but I refuse to accept

it as the golden standard and I hope you don't either. But we have to

ask if all this education that is promoted as the standard is

actually helping people, helping our world or is it leading to self

destruction. I see more of the latter.

>

> When I did my undergraduate and graduate studies in Ireland in

the late 1960's and early 1970's, if we reproduced in an examination

what we read in a book we were failed. We had to come up with our own

original ideas and apply the fundamental principles of the subject to

justify our conclusions. It is called original thought. The

examination was presented in such a manner that it demanded

originality.

>

> When I came to the USA in the late 1970's and was teaching

undergraduate work, the students freaked as I was teaching as I was

taught. I set the examinations according to my own experiences. The

department head had to have a little chat with me and I was asked to

create a generous curve to ensure that everybody passed the test.

Even in Ireland this has arrived to the world of "education" but not

to the same extent.

>

> This kind of education and training breeds automatons and in this

sense Aldous Huxley's world is in our neighbourhood.

>

> So I hail Sanjay for taking the bold step outside the square box.

Academics & Professors have always been embarrassed by astrology. The

intellect is generally embarrassed by anything that doesn't honor

itself as the center of existence. This is the nature of the ego.

>

> Sanjay has now introduced a new type of Professor, one that

honors the cosmos to be the center and the intellect is delegated to

a lesser place. It is much more imaginative, more intelligent and

carries more dignity for the soul and the Divine.

>

> Imagine the headlines! I always enjoy a good laugh and I like to

watch the comedy of errors. What would the world be if we didn't have

some deviation from the golden standard? That ball is meant to be

broken and besides we are now in a new era and the old paradigm is

wan.

>

> I congratulate Sanjay for his bold impulse and if these

Professors are worth their salt, they will show the Ph.D.'s of the

world the real nature of knowledge and learning. I encourage Sanjay

to take on this glorious and worthy goal.

>

> Congratulations Sanjay! Take it all the way to the Chancellor and

Vice Chancellor of SJC! It is a noble cause and it will bring the

spark of the Atman back into the life of many who are fed up of the

barren land of dry and meaningless learning.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Brendan

>

Dear All,

>

> I hope everyone will recognize your good faith, Jay, and mine

in this matter.

>

> SJC doesn't need this, let alone Jyotish- It can harm a lot,

both. IMHO- it is a seed of self-destruction of SJC, and for that

reason only, I feel bad about this.

>

> Do we need depreciative titles, that people ridicule for right

reasons for a long time, likle Cold Water Managers and

> PhD Carpenters... We do not need artificial pumping for what

already HAS REAL value,

> Jyotish and Silicon Breasts-how do that sound to you dear

friends?

>

> What was definition of lack of vanity and other requirements

of morality written by OLD sages, we all claim to accept as ULTIMATE

AUTHORITY

>

> I do have interest of SJC and Jyotish in mind, and I hope you

trust me.

>

> Really sad,

> Anna

>

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July 12, 2003

- N.Anna

varahamihira

Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:54 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

Dear Brendan,

I think I said what I thought I should 'and saved my soul'. So, go ahead with

Jyotish Ministers, Semi-Gods maybe you achieve the goal in making SJC a

reputable institution.But this Maya World unfortunately has to agree with that

it IS real, otherwise, why bother with anything,

But who cares? you said- making everything so 'relative' and unimportant, which

are synonyms in this case, until the light of value disappears, fight for title

goasts and ego-goasts, and other irrelevancies, that's the surest way to loose

the sense of 'What our goal has been once upon a time, if it lives that long.

To "educate masses' as you said is TOTALL contradiction to 'Who cares' ? If you

don't see that, I'm afraid that our dialog would be impossible, and IMHO would

mean that MONOLOG with vivid, colourful, utopistic, contradictory, virtual

reality is your chosen way of dealing with this issue. I didn't say you are one

who flatters the Guru, I just listed potential evils, and since you asked me,

without looking at your chart, just your posts, you are too 'young and

rebellious to be Team worker, poor communicator and with problem dealing with

any authority so pronounced, that I am sure, no you are definitely not one who

flatters, but neither one who is able to clear /

his/ foggy/ illusions...I hate giving opinion of this kind, but remember, YOU

asked me to, and to please you I am writing this.

I don't have any problem with this, I was just concerned if this 'wonderful

science' as you said, which is still in it's 'infancy' state in the world,

could survive your type of care. Again, I said what I thought was my

obligation, in a best way my humble abilities allowed, and this is over for me.

I am fully aware of the fact that I cannot do more in this matter, and I am not

there any longer. That also means that I won't be responding to any further

discussion on this issue.

Last thing I want to say is that I do like you, for the same qualities I

consider inadequate for achieving the goal so dear to me, you, others, and that

is JYOTISH for Life.

Warmest regards,

Anna

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Bpfeeley (AT) AOL (DOT) COM

varahamihira

Saturday, July 12, 2003 1:35 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administra...

In a message dated 7/11/2003 3:16:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

anmar (AT) attcanada (DOT) ca writes:Dear Anna,Why is this causing you so much confusion?

Who cares? Do you really think the world cares if SJC becomes a institution of

higher learning or if SJC professors express opinions about the planets? We are

not that important. Let's not kid ourselves. This is for us as a group... for

our entertainment on planet earth. Do you think astrology even matters to one's

spiritual growth? In my opinion it has no relationship at all. We are simply

indulging in the finer aspects of the mayic world. Maya is maya and can never

be Divine. The Grahas are all mayic manifestation. Krishna is very clear about

this in the Gita and Bhagavatam.Why shouldn't Sanjay do this if he so wishes?

This world is about differentiation and expressing one's creativity and if we

followed the culture we would never choose to be astrologers at all. This is

especially true in the West and I think this may be true of India also but to a

lesser extent. Astrology is an embarassment to most people and have you ever

wondered why that might be so?I think we should educate the masses in this

wonderful science and I have always told Sanjay that we need a structured

program of learning. I hope he takes it further than making a bunch of silly

professors and gurus and actually develops a structured program with learning

goals. As a good friend of mine insists, the title 'guru' is equivalent to

fraud in the west and I fully agree with this. I personally refuse to use such

titles.The titles can be very confusing for those who take it to their ego but

even then it can serve as a growth spurt in self development. Ego inflation

carries within it a potent transformational urge and only hastens the path to

deflation.Anna, please take a look at my chart and tell me if I'm the type to

flatter any boss or Guru. I have never done so in my life and all my bosses

avoided me like the plague and gave me a free reins to do my own thing and they

always respected my work and I always delivered the results in my very

independent style. I'm not good for any boss or Guru and I am not supporting

Sanjay because he is my Jyotish Guru. This of course means that I can never be

part of any establishment unless I believe in the cause.I still do not

understand why this is so objectionable to you? Say more.Warm Regards,Brendan

What is that Sanjay broke, you are so exalted about? The rules he obviously

didn't know about, consequences that he missed to think about...And You, his

friend, his councellor? encourage that? Brendan, I am sorry, neither you nor

Mr.Abott can defend indefensible, and sorry if I am wrong, I do see that this

way/There is a reason for that old saying "God save me from my friends" I am

able to deal with enemies..Sanjay has shown his bravery- please Sanjay let

other be brave at their own cost- you are smart and honest person, you'll know

how to deal with many tough issues that you chose and have been meant to follow

you success./ I chose to send my 1st message to only two, more 'specialized'

lists, that the 'skeleton stays in in family's closet.. One can be

brilliant, but if 'his' councilors only node and flatter the Boss, or are

intellectually 'slower' , narrow minded, or uniformed, or selfish, or

disinterested in true interests of SJC - it's better not to have any.|Om Tat

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July 12, 2003

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Anna,

Now we have become too complex and the name calling has started. You are a good

person and we do not need to go there. My remark 'who cares' was too frivolous

and I apologize. I have never been a rebel in this life but have a passion for

reform and change and my work with authority has always been in that area. The

same applies to my views on politics, religion, education, medicine, war and

especially Bush. Why shouldn't we express our views?

Sanjay has spoken and has clarified his vision for all of us. We are all here

together as souls trying to understand ourselves and it is our destiny to be

together. If his vision grows, and it will, it can only help people and the

world. This is novel in our present age. But as he says, the age has changed

and my bhakti Guru has been saying this since the early 1970's... re the growth

of Vedic knowledge and the authentic form of Sanatan Dharma (the eternal Divine

religion) in the world after the turn of the century.

I know your intentions are good and all communication leads to a better

understanding eventhough we have both faltered in our words and shown our

weakness and ignorance. This way we learn a deeper respect for each other as

long as we don't construct inpenetrable walls and distance.

Warm Regards,

Brendan