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Dear Anna,

I have read your mail..

You have your way of studing jyotish and I have mine.

Lets agree to disagree.

I have nothing more to add.

Thank you again for your kind words.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

> Dear Ash,

> How did you arrive to the conclusion that I do nor consider yogas,

position relevance etc..is - I know that each bindu stands for

certain relevant factor in the chart- you missed that from my

message- I clearly state what you stated in your message, in my

first sentence. Not to depreciate your point /it's good to hear

that, repeated/ but I've considered that self-explanatory- points

do not come from nowhere., it's clear. Read my message again, please.

>

> I said: "I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw

houses

> important- in qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in

> judging, for example dynamic side of it, like transits, it doesn't

> seem that 1 point makes much difference- is that your impression

> too, or not?"

> And-Why shouldn't I dwell on application?- that's the major

purpose of studying. You cannot set 'my priorities'can you?-

besides, application is ultimate goal of majority of Jyotishi /the

same is in most areas/. It's easy to jump to conclusion, I've

experienced that myself, many times, and apologized, when noticed

that I missed something in arriving to a conclusion. So I will try

to explain this further:

>

> In absence of better term I use 'qualitative' aspect, and that

implies what you re-explained: it is relevant HOW the point

was 'earned'-

> I asked about another aspect HOW MANY, and it's obviously another

focus of potential research that should be done: if you want to see

relevance of certain events, manifestation of transit, and to

CORRELATE house-bindus with events, manifestations, you will not

dwell on HOW the points were derived, because it is DIFFERENT Issue.

BOTH are relevant, depending on the focus of the research.

>

> I appreciate knowledge, no matter where it comes from- truth is

one, anyway. I am not fundamentalist, I'll read and get to know

different points of view and then choose on my own- AV issue

attracted my interest because R. Houck made a good point in his book

Digital Astrology- you obviously had your own way that led you to

the same issue- both ways came to the same point. Just wanted to

explain my stand point, and that is we need both types of

researches /and bibliography, writings, if available- one among them

is R.Houck's book-Why not??? He also gave useful information on how

bindus are arrived at, in simple, easy to understand way, so I would

recommend this reading to you/

> At the moment I have transit Saturn in my low bindus 12th house- I

will let you know how that works, from this point of view. And

members will contribute so we'll have research on the List- I had

that in mind too- Group resources are great.

>

> Thanks for starting this on the Lists, again.

>

> Anna

>

>

> -

> ashsam73

>

> Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:51 PM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta

Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] AV

>

>

> Dear Anna,

> Before you dwelve into the application lets clarify what a bindu

> means. A bindu is casted by a planet if it favours or else its

a

> rekha.

> Now my quesiton to you is...

>

> You have asked.. does 1 bindu make a difference...

>

> Let me ask u this.. does is make a difference if Moon is in 4th

from

> Guru and case 2 is if Moon is in 6th from Guru..

>

> I think in the above 2 case a bindu would change between Guru

and

> Moon.. think about it.. and tell me if it makes a differnce in a

> chart..

>

> Then go on to think if a planet that has given a bindu means it

> favouring yog.. and a difference of 1 bindu would mean that

lagna or

> 1 of 7 grahas is now not favouring if a bindu reduces..

>

> Basically you have changed the position of planet.. and bindu is

> like showing if that relation or yog is favourable or not.. if

not

> then it gets a rekha...

>

> Then go on to think about its placement in div charts.. and the

> Asktakavarga of that divisional chart...

>

> etc etc...

>

> 1 bindu makes a huge difference.. just like a few minutes can

make

> a huge difference in twins...

>

> Ashtakavarga is not just basic.. there its very involved. and

the

> enitre system of asktakavarga is based on transits.. and

relative

> positioning of planets with respect to each other and lagna...

>

> The system I follow is not in any book out there.. I have not

read

> Richard Houcks book so I do not know..

>

> Each and everything has a deep meaning...

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > I've been on the same line of thought- you formulated dilemmas

> very effectively. SAV can tell us so much in a simple way-

> > I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw

houses

> important- in qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in

> judging, for example dynamic side of it, like transits, it

doesn't

> seem that 1 point makes much difference- is that your impression

> too, or not?

> > malefic transit through low bindus houses line-up can be very

long

> and difficult - but do you take bindus for the house in general,

or

> bindus of particular planet in particular house that it's

transiting?

> > R. Houck used the later to prove the point.

> > /Digital Astrology/

> > You seem to prefer former- yes research is needed.

> > Thanks for starting this.

> > Anna

> >

> > -

> > ashsam73

> >

> > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:03 AM

> > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta

> Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Another case of great career

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> > I shall append my answers and question in CAPS. I am using

the

> web

> > ro answer so I do not have access to different color.

> >

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen"

> > <balabhadra@j...> wrote:

> > >

> > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|

> > > Dear Ash,

> > > My good friend, comments below.

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

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> > > ashsam73

> > >

> > > Friday, August 08, 2003 11:40 PM

> > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re:

Achyuta

> > Gurukul] Another case of great career

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Visti,

> > >

> > > I may not have explained myself clearly.. When we get

SAV

> points

> > of

> > > 12th house and 11th house etc we are considering all

planets

> in

> > > relation to each other based on their BAV and finally we

> cast

> > the SAV

> > > and then we get totals for the house. I know you know

this

> part.

> > >

> > > Visti: Yes.

> > >

> > > Now if one has 3 planets in 2nd house then as per BAV

scheme

> > ONLY if

> > > Guru is in 11th from Shani it will not give its bindu

other

> than

> > that

> > > Each and every planet will contribute to the 11th

house. I

> > think

> > > this part also we had discussed in detail.

> > >

> > > Visti: In the future we need to make this more

detailed

> with

> > writeups.

> > >

> > > Now after doing all that we got the points of 12th house

and

> > 11th

> > > house. If more planets are in 2nd house they will

> contribute to

> > 12th

> > > house and if ALONG with that other planet are not

supporting

> > 11th

> > > house i.e. making its bindus more than 12th basically we

are

> > > automatically conidering so many yogs then there will be

> debt.

> > >

> > > I did check the BAV for Shani and Mars. They help

planets

> in

> > 6th

> > > from them except if Sun is in 6th from Shani.

> > >

> > > Visti: Yes Sambandha is important as you pointed out.

> However

> > you have looked at the natural charachteristics of Mars and

> Shani to

> > support the 6th from there placement - This knowledge can be

> used to

> > understand Mars and Shani's Bindus.

> >

> > ASH : I THINK WHEN THE MAHARISHI GAVE THE ASHTAKAVARGA I.E

> > BHINASHTAKAVARA I.E THE DISTRIBUTION OF BINDUS OF EACH

PLANET

> AND IT

> > ALSO TELLS US WHY A PLANET IS A NATURAL MALEFIC OR A

BENEFIC.

> FOR

> > EXAMPLE WE KNOW THAT GURU IS THE GREATEST BENEFIC AND THE

> MAHARISHIS

> > HAVE ALSO GIVEN 59 BINDUS TO GURU TO DISTRIBUTE AND IF I

> MAY "CAST A

> > FAVOURABLE BINDU" A PLANET. SIMILARLY SHANI AND MARS ONLY

HAVE

> 39

> > BINDUS AND WE KNOW THAT THEY "GENERALLY" ARE MALEFIC. SO

IT

> > INDIRETLY USES ALL THE THINGS. IN TIME I WILL DO MORE

RESEARCH

> BUT

> > THE ENTIRE ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIVE

POSITIONING

> OF

> > PLANETS W.R.T. EACH OTHER AND ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS

> > FROM "LAGNA". THAT IS WHY ASHTA-KAVARGA. 7 GRAHAS

> AND "LAGNA".

> > I THINK YOU HAD ASKSED THIS QUESION ABOUT "LAGNA".

> > SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSISERED WITH

RELATION

> TO

> > LAGNA.

> >

> > I THINK IF U REALLY FOCUS AND JUST OBSERVE THE BAV OF ALL

> PLANETS U

> > CAN START TO SEE WHY FOR EXAMPLE PLANETS IN 7TH FROM VENUS

> REDUCE

> > THE EFFECT OF VENUS.. MEANING.. VENUS CAN NEVER GET FULL 8

> BINDUS IF

> > THERE IS ANY PLANET IN 7TH FROM IT...

> >

> > IF U ALSO KEENLY NOTICE MOSTLY ALL PLANETS CONTRIBUTE TO THE

> UPCHAYA

> > STHANS... OR HOUSE OF GROWTH... I GUESS IF U REALLY GET DOWN

TO

> IT..

> > U CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DOTS COVER SO MUCH ..

> SAMBANDHA,

> > YOGS LIKE GAJ KESARI.. ANAPHA, SUNAPHA ETC ETC... ALL YOGAS

THAT

> ONE

> > DOES INDIVIDUALLY IS ALL CONSIDERED INCLUDING THEIR CONTRA

> (WHICH I

> > THINK TAKES STUDENTS SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND CAUSE

> INADVERTENTLY

> > THEY CONSIDER ONE PART AND FORGET TO CONSIDER THE CONTRA AND

I

> HAVE

> > SEEN THIS SO FREQUENTY DONE WITH UNDERSTANDING NEECH BHANGA

> > YOG..) ... ONLY SOME YOGAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED LIKE

PLACEMENT

> OF

> > VENUS IS PERTICULAR NAKSHATRA AND 4:10 ETC

> >

> > EVEN IF YOU SEE KAL SARPA YOG.. USING ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN

AT A

> > GLANCE SEE WHY A PERSON CAN HAVE AN EXTENEDED PERIOD OF

> DIFFICULTY..

> >

> > LET ME EXPLAIN..

> >

> > KAL SARPA YOGS OR EVEN KAL AMRIT YOG OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN

> GRAH

> > MALIK YOG IS CAUSE WHEN PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF RAHU AND

> KETU..

> > SO BASICALLY ONE SIDE OF THE HOROSCOPE IS HEAVIER.. AND IF U

> STUDY

> > THE SAV POINTS U WILL FIND THAT ONE SIDE HAS MORE THAN 28

POINTS

> AND

> > SINCE THERE ARE ONLY 337 BINDUS TO DISTUIBUTE ITS GOING TO

> REDUCE

> > SOME OTHER HOUSE... SO WHEN SUN OR MALEFICS TRANSIT OVER

HOUSES

> > HAVING LOW SAV OR HAIVING ANY ZEROS.. WILL DEFINITELY CAUSE

> > TROUBLE.. AND IF THERE IS SIGN AFTER SIGN HAVING LOW POINTS

THEN

> > THOUSE PERIODS WILL BE PROLONGED.. AND THE TUNNEL WOULD SEEM

> MUCH

> > LONGER BEFORE THE NATIVE CAN SEE SOME HOME OR RAY OF LIGHT...

> >

> > AV IS A WONDERFUL TOOL IF UNDERSTOOD WELL.... OBVIOUSLY TO

BE

> USED

> > WITH A FULL SYSTEM.. LIKE WHAT I USE WITH KRUSHNAS

ASHTAKAVARGA

> > SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR

> > INDIRECLY..

> >

> > >

> > > Instead see how Mars and Shani are affecting the 6th

from

> Lagna,

> > as thats where the debt arises.

> > >

> > > For Mars also helps mostly all planets in 6th from them

> except

> > for

> > > Shani.

> > >

> > > This you can see from their BAV. But when we finally

check

> the

> > SAV

> > > which is a sum total of all these individual things we

come

> to a

> > > conclusion that 12th bhava has more bindus than 11th

> > so "expense"

> > > will be more than "income"

> > >

> > > If to check when this debt will come or when will this

> native be

> > out

> > > of debt that is another topic...

> > >

> > > Similarly look at this case.. Shani in 12th and 11th

points

> much

> > > higher than 12th.. then shani aspects 2nd, 6th and 9th

house

> and

> > such

> > > a person based on "Natural" quality of shani will not

worry

> > about

> > > spening money.. now if 11th points are more than 12th

then

> we

> > can

> > > combine the 2 and say that whatever expense this person

has

> will

> > be

> > > and can be met.. now that does not mean that in some

antra

> in

> > some

> > > mahadasha this person will not have debt.. but some

other

> antra

> > will

> > > clear it... Such a shani can also not give sleep or

person

> wakes

> > up

> > > late at night but if such a shani is with more bindus

then

> it

> > will

> > > boost the 9th house etc etc.. here we are combining

natural

> > natures

> > > with yogs etc.. I think these are different

questions...

> one is

> > to

> > > do with quality and other to do with timing...

> > >

> > > I hope you understand what I had tried to say.

> > >

> > > Visti: Yes.

> > >

> > > I did not understand what you had said here.. you said

Mars

> will

> > > remove debt quicky.. here are u looking at the antar

dasa of

> > Mars to

> > > remove debt i.e. timing or are you looking at just mars

in

> > general

> > > without considering other planets ?

> > >

> > > Visti: When looking at the results of planets we must

> > consider their natural charachteristics on a house. Mars

will

> not

> > cause debt as its too tight with money. Shani will cause

debt.

> > Jupiter will try to bring more money. In this mannor we

> understand

> > the natural charachter of each graha.

> >

> > ASH : THIS I THINK U ARE FINDING FROM KAL PURUSHA CHART AND

> > CONSIDERING KARAKS (WHAT I CALL KARAKS ARE 8TH HOUSE LORDS

FROM

> THE

> > HOUSE UNDER CONSIDERATION).

> >

> > SO FOR DHAN ITS 2ND HOUSE AND 8TH FROM 2ND HOUSE IS NATURAL

9TH

> > HOUSE AND WHICH IS GURU.. SO GURU CONTROLS THE HEALTH OF

> KUTUMBA,

> > WEALTH ETC.. (NOT TALKING OF ALL THE INDIVIDUAL THINGS

SHOWED BY

> 2ND

> > HOUSE).

> >

> > SIMILARLY MERCURY IS THE NK FOR INCOME OR 11TH HOUSE AND

ALSO

> 6TH

> > LORD FOR AUTHORISING INCOME (JOB). (8TH FROM 11TH HOUSE).. I

> THINK

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Sooo... when we apply this to the various bhavas we can

> > immedietely state from the quality of Argala (and AV

> subsequently as

> > they are linked), what the exact effect on a Bhava will be.

> >

> > ASH : I THINK AV IS A COMPLETE TOO AND ENCOMPASES ALL THE

> THINGS.

> > WHEN I GET SOME TIME I WILL DO A RESEARCH.. BUT I CHECK

> INTERVENTION

> > ETC USING BINDUS FOR EXAMPLE..

> >

> > AS PER YOUR EXAMPLE.. MARS IN 3RD HOUSE.. (KEEPING ASIDE THE

> LAGNA

> > RISING AS THAT CAN CHANGE THIGNS A LOT).

> >

> > BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DEAPTH OF AV.. CONSIDER 2 CASES OF

MARS

> >

> > 1) MARS IN 3RD WITH > 4 BINDUS

> > 2) MARS IN 3RD WITH < 4 BINDUS.

> >

> > SUCH A MARS WILL ACT VERY DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY.. AS MARS IS A

> GENERAL

> > MALEFIC SO WE "GENERALLY ASSUME" THAT MARS WILL HAVE LESS

THAN 4

> > BINDUS AS IN MOST CASES IT GENERALLY HAS THAT.. BUT IN SOME

> CASES IT

> > DOES HAVE MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH

OTHER

> > PLANETS BEING IN CERTAIN COMBINATIONS AND ONLY IN CERTAIN

> > COMBINATIONS FROM MARS AND "MARS FROM LAGNA". SO HERE WE

HAVE

> > CONSIDERED SO MANY THINGS AT A SHOT.

> >

> > NOW USING 4:10 RELATIONSHIP.. SUCH A MARS WITH LESS THAN 4

> BINDUS

> > WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM IT DO ITS WORK... NOW IF SUCH A

> MARS IS

> > IN SCORPIO THEN IT ALSO HAS 4TH DRISTI.. SO IT WILL INCREASE

THE

> > EFFECTS OF THE 6TH HOUSE.. THESE THINGS ARE SUBTLE AND NOT

TO BE

> > CONSIDERED FOR TIMING BUT QUALITY.. I THINK U ALSO USE

ARGALA

> FOR

> > JUDGING QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING .. I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS

> ONE..

> >

> > ON THE CONTRARARY IF SUCH A MARS IS WITH MOR BINDUS THEN IT

WILL

> > HELP THE 12TH HOUSE I.E. PLANES IN 10TH FROM IT.. I THINK

THIS

> > PRINCIPLE IS ALSO USED TO FIND ARUDHA LAGNA .. I.E. 4:10 ..

IF A

> > PLANETS ARUDHA FALLS IN LAGNA OR 7TH FROM IT THEN U EITHER

USE

> 4TH

> > OR 10TH POSITION...

> >

> > SO BASICALLY MY POINT BEING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE USED

> > INDIRECTLY AS AV IS A COMPLETE TOO IF USED AS A FULL

SYSTEM...

> NOT A

> > PART... I WIL LEAVE IT TILL HERE.. WE CAN TAKE UP THE

> COMPARISION OF

> > HOW ARGALA IS CONSIDERED IN AV IN ITS BAV.. AND DISCUSS THAT

> RATHER

> > BRAIN STORM ON IT...

> >

> > >

> > > I.e. Shani's Argala on the 4th house will not be

auspicious.

> > Reason; 4th house shows happiness and Moon is the natural

> indicator

> > of happiness, which Shani is innimical towards. Hence Shani

will

> > cause sorrow and shock if it has Argala on the 4th house.

> >

> > ASH : THATS JUST ONE PART OF IT.. WHAT IF SUCH A SHANI HAD 3

> > BINDUS ... IT WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM ITSELF DO THINGS

FOR

> IT..

> > OR IF THERE IS A PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT.. WITH GREATER THAN 4

> BINDUS

> > THEN SUCH A SHANI WILL BECOME VERY VERY POWERFUL FOR ALL

> HOUSE... SO

> > IT IS NOT ...

> >

> > HERE IS AM TALKING OF SHANI GIVING VERY GOOD RESULTS FOR ALL

> HOUSES

> > (APART FOR LEO AND VIRGO LAGNA WHERE SHANI IS 6TH LORD) THEN

IT

> WILL

> > GIVE OVERALL HAPPINESS.. BUT THIS IS FOR TIMING .. I THINK U

ARE

> > LOOKING AT QUALITY... AND I AM TALKING ONLY OF ANTRA IS

> VIMSHOTTARI

> > DASA STARTING FROM MOON.. (SO THAT READERS ARE NOT CONFUSED).

> >

> > I THINK YOU ARE TALKING OF "FEELING" AND I AM TALKING

> OF "TIMING".

> >

> > VISTI, DOES ARGALA AFFECT TIMING OF EVENTS DIRECTLY ? OR

DOES

> ARGALA

> > OR INTERVENTION HAVE AN EFFECT ON "HOW THINGS FEEL" ?

> >

> > >

> > > Now in BAV distribution, the points are distributed

without

> > consideration of the grahas placement with regards to the

Lagna.

> > Points are distributed but theres no change in the

distribution

> > based on individual placement... this we need to deduce on

our

> own,

> > as you said with the individual grahas placement.

> > >

> > > That means that the resultant SAV for a bhava (really a

> rasi)

> > cannot be the final determinor for the natives extent of

> debt/gains,

> > as it merely shows potentiality - bindu or seed. I.e. where

> growth

> > can occur. The nature of this growth is deduced from the BAV

and

> > PAV, as not all grahas will give the same results in say -

10th

> > house.

> > >

> > > The point is - which of Mars or Shani has the strongest

sway

> > over the 6th house. If Mars does then the debts will be

removed

> very

> > quickly.

> > >

> > > If we agree on the above, then we must consider the

> following;

> > > 1. Should we consider the individual BAV's of Mars and

Shani

> on

> > the Rasi of the 6th from Lagna and compare?

> >

> > ASH : THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERD. IF 6TH HOUSE'S SAV IS

HIGH

> THEN

> > PERSON GETS GOOD SOCIAL STATUS.. IF 12TH IS HIGHER THAN 11TH

> THEN

> > EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN INCOME.. IF 10TH HOUSE POINTS ARE

MORE

> THAN

> > 11TH THEN PERSON HAS TO WORK HARDER FOR HIS MONEY...

> > IF POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 ARE IN ASCENDING ORDER .. PERSON HAS

GOOD

> > DARING TO DO BUSINESS AND GETS VERY HIGH AUTHORITY.. AND

WILL BE

> > SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS AND OWN VENUTRE... SO THESE THINGS

ARE

> ALL

> > CONSIDERED. EVEN THE BASIC.. VISTI.. ASHTAK-VARGA.. LAGNA +

7

> > GRAHAS.. MAHARISHIS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT ALL .. LOL

> >

> > > 2. Should we consider the BAV of Jupiter (dhana karaka)

> only,

> > and see the effects of Mars and Shani on the 6th from Lagna.

> >

> > ASH : EACH AND EVERY THING HAS A MEANING.. I THINK SOMEONE

HAD

> ASKED

> > IN THE PAST.. WHAT IF THERE IS ONE BINDU DIFFERENCE... IT

MAY

> NOT

> > MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WAS ABSURD !!! CAUSE A

CHANGE

> OF 1

> > BINDU CAN CHANGE VARIOUS YOGS AS A PLANET OR THE PLANET

ITSELF

> FROM

> > LAGNA HAS CHANGED.. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF THINGS GET

> > AFFECTED.. WHO KNOWS.. A PERSON MIGHT HAVE HAD A GAJ KESARI

YOG

> AND

> > NOW IT HAS DURUDHARA YOG.. WHO KNOW... OR MAY CAUSE A ZERO

IN

> SAV

> > AND WHEN MALEIFICS TRANSIT IT COULD CAUSE HAVOC.. I MEAN AS

YOU

> > SAID.. GURU IS NOT ONLY DHAN KARAK.. ITS ALSO KARAK FOR 5TH

> HOUSE

> > AND ONE OF THE THINGS OF 5TH HOUSE IS PUTRA.. SO IF GURU IS

> GIVING A

> > ZERO TO 2ND OR 10TH HOUSE OF 9TH HOUSE THEN THE PERSON MIGHT

NOT

> > HAVE ANY CHILDREN.. OR NO HAPPINESS FROM IT.. OR IF SUCH A

GURU

> IS

> > IN 6TH LORDS SIGN IN SAPTAMASA THEN IT MAY DENY IT.. ETC

ETC..

> SO

> > YES WE NEED TO CHECK SAV FOR EACH AND EVERY PLANET AS EACH

AND

> EVERY

> > BINDU HAS A STORY TO TELL...

> >

> > >

> > > Forget Dasa's for now.

> >

> > ASH : YES .. IT WILL GET TOO COMPLICATED..

> >

> >

> > CHEERS !!!

> > ASH

> > >

> > > Thanks for this discussion... its stimulating...

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash

> >

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