Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Dear Ash, You are a wise person and I was told by my elders when I was young, that, we will come across some people in our life's with different thinking and opinions for the same task, so I was advised to ignore those and keep the focus on the mission in hand without getting discouraged and distracted. Om Tat Sat Regards Rao , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Anna, > I have read your mail.. > You have your way of studing jyotish and I have mine. > Lets agree to disagree. > I have nothing more to add. > Thank you again for your kind words. > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > How did you arrive to the conclusion that I do nor consider yogas, > position relevance etc..is - I know that each bindu stands for > certain relevant factor in the chart- you missed that from my > message- I clearly state what you stated in your message, in my > first sentence. Not to depreciate your point /it's good to hear > that, repeated/ but I've considered that self-explanatory- points > do not come from nowhere., it's clear. Read my message again, please. > > > > I said: "I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw > houses > > important- in qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in > > judging, for example dynamic side of it, like transits, it doesn't > > seem that 1 point makes much difference- is that your impression > > too, or not?" > > And-Why shouldn't I dwell on application?- that's the major > purpose of studying. You cannot set 'my priorities'can you?- > besides, application is ultimate goal of majority of Jyotishi /the > same is in most areas/. It's easy to jump to conclusion, I've > experienced that myself, many times, and apologized, when noticed > that I missed something in arriving to a conclusion. So I will try > to explain this further: > > > > In absence of better term I use 'qualitative' aspect, and that > implies what you re-explained: it is relevant HOW the point > was 'earned'- > > I asked about another aspect HOW MANY, and it's obviously another > focus of potential research that should be done: if you want to see > relevance of certain events, manifestation of transit, and to > CORRELATE house-bindus with events, manifestations, you will not > dwell on HOW the points were derived, because it is DIFFERENT Issue. > BOTH are relevant, depending on the focus of the research. > > > > I appreciate knowledge, no matter where it comes from- truth is > one, anyway. I am not fundamentalist, I'll read and get to know > different points of view and then choose on my own- AV issue > attracted my interest because R. Houck made a good point in his book > Digital Astrology- you obviously had your own way that led you to > the same issue- both ways came to the same point. Just wanted to > explain my stand point, and that is we need both types of > researches /and bibliography, writings, if available- one among them > is R.Houck's book-Why not??? He also gave useful information on how > bindus are arrived at, in simple, easy to understand way, so I would > recommend this reading to you/ > > At the moment I have transit Saturn in my low bindus 12th house- I > will let you know how that works, from this point of view. And > members will contribute so we'll have research on the List- I had > that in mind too- Group resources are great. > > > > Thanks for starting this on the Lists, again. > > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:51 PM > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta > Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] AV > > > > > > Dear Anna, > > Before you dwelve into the application lets clarify what a bindu > > means. A bindu is casted by a planet if it favours or else its > a > > rekha. > > Now my quesiton to you is... > > > > You have asked.. does 1 bindu make a difference... > > > > Let me ask u this.. does is make a difference if Moon is in 4th > from > > Guru and case 2 is if Moon is in 6th from Guru.. > > > > I think in the above 2 case a bindu would change between Guru > and > > Moon.. think about it.. and tell me if it makes a differnce in a > > chart.. > > > > Then go on to think if a planet that has given a bindu means it > > favouring yog.. and a difference of 1 bindu would mean that > lagna or > > 1 of 7 grahas is now not favouring if a bindu reduces.. > > > > Basically you have changed the position of planet.. and bindu is > > like showing if that relation or yog is favourable or not.. if > not > > then it gets a rekha... > > > > Then go on to think about its placement in div charts.. and the > > Asktakavarga of that divisional chart... > > > > etc etc... > > > > 1 bindu makes a huge difference.. just like a few minutes can > make > > a huge difference in twins... > > > > Ashtakavarga is not just basic.. there its very involved. and > the > > enitre system of asktakavarga is based on transits.. and > relative > > positioning of planets with respect to each other and lagna... > > > > The system I follow is not in any book out there.. I have not > read > > Richard Houcks book so I do not know.. > > > > Each and everything has a deep meaning... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I've been on the same line of thought- you formulated dilemmas > > very effectively. SAV can tell us so much in a simple way- > > > I see that you consider difference of one bindu point btw > houses > > important- in qualitative terms, it perhaps is important- but in > > judging, for example dynamic side of it, like transits, it > doesn't > > seem that 1 point makes much difference- is that your impression > > too, or not? > > > malefic transit through low bindus houses line-up can be very > long > > and difficult - but do you take bindus for the house in general, > or > > bindus of particular planet in particular house that it's > transiting? > > > R. Houck used the later to prove the point. > > > /Digital Astrology/ > > > You seem to prefer former- yes research is needed. > > > Thanks for starting this. > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:03 AM > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta > > Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Another case of great career > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > I shall append my answers and question in CAPS. I am using > the > > web > > > ro answer so I do not have access to different color. > > > > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" > > > <balabhadra@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > My good friend, comments below. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Visti > > > > --- > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > - > > > > ashsam73 > > > > > > > > Friday, August 08, 2003 11:40 PM > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Achyuta Gurukul] Re: > Achyuta > > > Gurukul] Another case of great career > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > > > I may not have explained myself clearly.. When we get > SAV > > points > > > of > > > > 12th house and 11th house etc we are considering all > planets > > in > > > > relation to each other based on their BAV and finally we > > cast > > > the SAV > > > > and then we get totals for the house. I know you know > this > > part. > > > > > > > > Visti: Yes. > > > > > > > > Now if one has 3 planets in 2nd house then as per BAV > scheme > > > ONLY if > > > > Guru is in 11th from Shani it will not give its bindu > other > > than > > > that > > > > Each and every planet will contribute to the 11th > house. I > > > think > > > > this part also we had discussed in detail. > > > > > > > > Visti: In the future we need to make this more > detailed > > with > > > writeups. > > > > > > > > Now after doing all that we got the points of 12th house > and > > > 11th > > > > house. If more planets are in 2nd house they will > > contribute to > > > 12th > > > > house and if ALONG with that other planet are not > supporting > > > 11th > > > > house i.e. making its bindus more than 12th basically we > are > > > > automatically conidering so many yogs then there will be > > debt. > > > > > > > > I did check the BAV for Shani and Mars. They help > planets > > in > > > 6th > > > > from them except if Sun is in 6th from Shani. > > > > > > > > Visti: Yes Sambandha is important as you pointed out. > > However > > > you have looked at the natural charachteristics of Mars and > > Shani to > > > support the 6th from there placement - This knowledge can be > > used to > > > understand Mars and Shani's Bindus. > > > > > > ASH : I THINK WHEN THE MAHARISHI GAVE THE ASHTAKAVARGA I.E > > > BHINASHTAKAVARA I.E THE DISTRIBUTION OF BINDUS OF EACH > PLANET > > AND IT > > > ALSO TELLS US WHY A PLANET IS A NATURAL MALEFIC OR A > BENEFIC. > > FOR > > > EXAMPLE WE KNOW THAT GURU IS THE GREATEST BENEFIC AND THE > > MAHARISHIS > > > HAVE ALSO GIVEN 59 BINDUS TO GURU TO DISTRIBUTE AND IF I > > MAY "CAST A > > > FAVOURABLE BINDU" A PLANET. SIMILARLY SHANI AND MARS ONLY > HAVE > > 39 > > > BINDUS AND WE KNOW THAT THEY "GENERALLY" ARE MALEFIC. SO > IT > > > INDIRETLY USES ALL THE THINGS. IN TIME I WILL DO MORE > RESEARCH > > BUT > > > THE ENTIRE ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIVE > POSITIONING > > OF > > > PLANETS W.R.T. EACH OTHER AND ALSO THE BIGGEST THING IS > > > FROM "LAGNA". THAT IS WHY ASHTA-KAVARGA. 7 GRAHAS > > AND "LAGNA". > > > I THINK YOU HAD ASKSED THIS QUESION ABOUT "LAGNA". > > > SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CONSISERED WITH > RELATION > > TO > > > LAGNA. > > > > > > I THINK IF U REALLY FOCUS AND JUST OBSERVE THE BAV OF ALL > > PLANETS U > > > CAN START TO SEE WHY FOR EXAMPLE PLANETS IN 7TH FROM VENUS > > REDUCE > > > THE EFFECT OF VENUS.. MEANING.. VENUS CAN NEVER GET FULL 8 > > BINDUS IF > > > THERE IS ANY PLANET IN 7TH FROM IT... > > > > > > IF U ALSO KEENLY NOTICE MOSTLY ALL PLANETS CONTRIBUTE TO THE > > UPCHAYA > > > STHANS... OR HOUSE OF GROWTH... I GUESS IF U REALLY GET DOWN > TO > > IT.. > > > U CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DOTS COVER SO MUCH .. > > SAMBANDHA, > > > YOGS LIKE GAJ KESARI.. ANAPHA, SUNAPHA ETC ETC... ALL YOGAS > THAT > > ONE > > > DOES INDIVIDUALLY IS ALL CONSIDERED INCLUDING THEIR CONTRA > > (WHICH I > > > THINK TAKES STUDENTS SO MUCH TIME TO UNDERSTAND CAUSE > > INADVERTENTLY > > > THEY CONSIDER ONE PART AND FORGET TO CONSIDER THE CONTRA AND > I > > HAVE > > > SEEN THIS SO FREQUENTY DONE WITH UNDERSTANDING NEECH BHANGA > > > YOG..) ... ONLY SOME YOGAS THAT ARE NOT COVERED LIKE > PLACEMENT > > OF > > > VENUS IS PERTICULAR NAKSHATRA AND 4:10 ETC > > > > > > EVEN IF YOU SEE KAL SARPA YOG.. USING ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN > AT A > > > GLANCE SEE WHY A PERSON CAN HAVE AN EXTENEDED PERIOD OF > > DIFFICULTY.. > > > > > > LET ME EXPLAIN.. > > > > > > KAL SARPA YOGS OR EVEN KAL AMRIT YOG OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN > > GRAH > > > MALIK YOG IS CAUSE WHEN PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF RAHU AND > > KETU.. > > > SO BASICALLY ONE SIDE OF THE HOROSCOPE IS HEAVIER.. AND IF U > > STUDY > > > THE SAV POINTS U WILL FIND THAT ONE SIDE HAS MORE THAN 28 > POINTS > > AND > > > SINCE THERE ARE ONLY 337 BINDUS TO DISTUIBUTE ITS GOING TO > > REDUCE > > > SOME OTHER HOUSE... SO WHEN SUN OR MALEFICS TRANSIT OVER > HOUSES > > > HAVING LOW SAV OR HAIVING ANY ZEROS.. WILL DEFINITELY CAUSE > > > TROUBLE.. AND IF THERE IS SIGN AFTER SIGN HAVING LOW POINTS > THEN > > > THOUSE PERIODS WILL BE PROLONGED.. AND THE TUNNEL WOULD SEEM > > MUCH > > > LONGER BEFORE THE NATIVE CAN SEE SOME HOME OR RAY OF LIGHT... > > > > > > AV IS A WONDERFUL TOOL IF UNDERSTOOD WELL.... OBVIOUSLY TO > BE > > USED > > > WITH A FULL SYSTEM.. LIKE WHAT I USE WITH KRUSHNAS > ASHTAKAVARGA > > > SYSTEM WHERE IN ALL THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED DIRECTLY OR > > > INDIRECLY.. > > > > > > > > > > > Instead see how Mars and Shani are affecting the 6th > from > > Lagna, > > > as thats where the debt arises. > > > > > > > > For Mars also helps mostly all planets in 6th from them > > except > > > for > > > > Shani. > > > > > > > > This you can see from their BAV. But when we finally > check > > the > > > SAV > > > > which is a sum total of all these individual things we > come > > to a > > > > conclusion that 12th bhava has more bindus than 11th > > > so "expense" > > > > will be more than "income" > > > > > > > > If to check when this debt will come or when will this > > native be > > > out > > > > of debt that is another topic... > > > > > > > > Similarly look at this case.. Shani in 12th and 11th > points > > much > > > > higher than 12th.. then shani aspects 2nd, 6th and 9th > house > > and > > > such > > > > a person based on "Natural" quality of shani will not > worry > > > about > > > > spening money.. now if 11th points are more than 12th > then > > we > > > can > > > > combine the 2 and say that whatever expense this person > has > > will > > > be > > > > and can be met.. now that does not mean that in some > antra > > in > > > some > > > > mahadasha this person will not have debt.. but some > other > > antra > > > will > > > > clear it... Such a shani can also not give sleep or > person > > wakes > > > up > > > > late at night but if such a shani is with more bindus > then > > it > > > will > > > > boost the 9th house etc etc.. here we are combining > natural > > > natures > > > > with yogs etc.. I think these are different > questions... > > one is > > > to > > > > do with quality and other to do with timing... > > > > > > > > I hope you understand what I had tried to say. > > > > > > > > Visti: Yes. > > > > > > > > I did not understand what you had said here.. you said > Mars > > will > > > > remove debt quicky.. here are u looking at the antar > dasa of > > > Mars to > > > > remove debt i.e. timing or are you looking at just mars > in > > > general > > > > without considering other planets ? > > > > > > > > Visti: When looking at the results of planets we must > > > consider their natural charachteristics on a house. Mars > will > > not > > > cause debt as its too tight with money. Shani will cause > debt. > > > Jupiter will try to bring more money. In this mannor we > > understand > > > the natural charachter of each graha. > > > > > > ASH : THIS I THINK U ARE FINDING FROM KAL PURUSHA CHART AND > > > CONSIDERING KARAKS (WHAT I CALL KARAKS ARE 8TH HOUSE LORDS > FROM > > THE > > > HOUSE UNDER CONSIDERATION). > > > > > > SO FOR DHAN ITS 2ND HOUSE AND 8TH FROM 2ND HOUSE IS NATURAL > 9TH > > > HOUSE AND WHICH IS GURU.. SO GURU CONTROLS THE HEALTH OF > > KUTUMBA, > > > WEALTH ETC.. (NOT TALKING OF ALL THE INDIVIDUAL THINGS > SHOWED BY > > 2ND > > > HOUSE). > > > > > > SIMILARLY MERCURY IS THE NK FOR INCOME OR 11TH HOUSE AND > ALSO > > 6TH > > > LORD FOR AUTHORISING INCOME (JOB). (8TH FROM 11TH HOUSE).. I > > THINK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sooo... when we apply this to the various bhavas we can > > > immedietely state from the quality of Argala (and AV > > subsequently as > > > they are linked), what the exact effect on a Bhava will be. > > > > > > ASH : I THINK AV IS A COMPLETE TOO AND ENCOMPASES ALL THE > > THINGS. > > > WHEN I GET SOME TIME I WILL DO A RESEARCH.. BUT I CHECK > > INTERVENTION > > > ETC USING BINDUS FOR EXAMPLE.. > > > > > > AS PER YOUR EXAMPLE.. MARS IN 3RD HOUSE.. (KEEPING ASIDE THE > > LAGNA > > > RISING AS THAT CAN CHANGE THIGNS A LOT). > > > > > > BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DEAPTH OF AV.. CONSIDER 2 CASES OF > MARS > > > > > > 1) MARS IN 3RD WITH > 4 BINDUS > > > 2) MARS IN 3RD WITH < 4 BINDUS. > > > > > > SUCH A MARS WILL ACT VERY DIFFERENT OBVIOUSLY.. AS MARS IS A > > GENERAL > > > MALEFIC SO WE "GENERALLY ASSUME" THAT MARS WILL HAVE LESS > THAN 4 > > > BINDUS AS IN MOST CASES IT GENERALLY HAS THAT.. BUT IN SOME > > CASES IT > > > DOES HAVE MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE WITH > OTHER > > > PLANETS BEING IN CERTAIN COMBINATIONS AND ONLY IN CERTAIN > > > COMBINATIONS FROM MARS AND "MARS FROM LAGNA". SO HERE WE > HAVE > > > CONSIDERED SO MANY THINGS AT A SHOT. > > > > > > NOW USING 4:10 RELATIONSHIP.. SUCH A MARS WITH LESS THAN 4 > > BINDUS > > > WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM IT DO ITS WORK... NOW IF SUCH A > > MARS IS > > > IN SCORPIO THEN IT ALSO HAS 4TH DRISTI.. SO IT WILL INCREASE > THE > > > EFFECTS OF THE 6TH HOUSE.. THESE THINGS ARE SUBTLE AND NOT > TO BE > > > CONSIDERED FOR TIMING BUT QUALITY.. I THINK U ALSO USE > ARGALA > > FOR > > > JUDGING QUALITY AND NOT FOR TIMING .. I MAY BE WRONG ON THIS > > ONE.. > > > > > > ON THE CONTRARARY IF SUCH A MARS IS WITH MOR BINDUS THEN IT > WILL > > > HELP THE 12TH HOUSE I.E. PLANES IN 10TH FROM IT.. I THINK > THIS > > > PRINCIPLE IS ALSO USED TO FIND ARUDHA LAGNA .. I.E. 4:10 .. > IF A > > > PLANETS ARUDHA FALLS IN LAGNA OR 7TH FROM IT THEN U EITHER > USE > > 4TH > > > OR 10TH POSITION... > > > > > > SO BASICALLY MY POINT BEING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE USED > > > INDIRECTLY AS AV IS A COMPLETE TOO IF USED AS A FULL > SYSTEM... > > NOT A > > > PART... I WIL LEAVE IT TILL HERE.. WE CAN TAKE UP THE > > COMPARISION OF > > > HOW ARGALA IS CONSIDERED IN AV IN ITS BAV.. AND DISCUSS THAT > > RATHER > > > BRAIN STORM ON IT... > > > > > > > > > > > I.e. Shani's Argala on the 4th house will not be > auspicious. > > > Reason; 4th house shows happiness and Moon is the natural > > indicator > > > of happiness, which Shani is innimical towards. Hence Shani > will > > > cause sorrow and shock if it has Argala on the 4th house. > > > > > > ASH : THATS JUST ONE PART OF IT.. WHAT IF SUCH A SHANI HAD 3 > > > BINDUS ... IT WILL MAKE THE 4TH HOUSE FROM ITSELF DO THINGS > FOR > > IT.. > > > OR IF THERE IS A PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT.. WITH GREATER THAN 4 > > BINDUS > > > THEN SUCH A SHANI WILL BECOME VERY VERY POWERFUL FOR ALL > > HOUSE... SO > > > IT IS NOT ... > > > > > > HERE IS AM TALKING OF SHANI GIVING VERY GOOD RESULTS FOR ALL > > HOUSES > > > (APART FOR LEO AND VIRGO LAGNA WHERE SHANI IS 6TH LORD) THEN > IT > > WILL > > > GIVE OVERALL HAPPINESS.. BUT THIS IS FOR TIMING .. I THINK U > ARE > > > LOOKING AT QUALITY... AND I AM TALKING ONLY OF ANTRA IS > > VIMSHOTTARI > > > DASA STARTING FROM MOON.. (SO THAT READERS ARE NOT CONFUSED). > > > > > > I THINK YOU ARE TALKING OF "FEELING" AND I AM TALKING > > OF "TIMING". > > > > > > VISTI, DOES ARGALA AFFECT TIMING OF EVENTS DIRECTLY ? OR > DOES > > ARGALA > > > OR INTERVENTION HAVE AN EFFECT ON "HOW THINGS FEEL" ? > > > > > > > > > > > Now in BAV distribution, the points are distributed > without > > > consideration of the grahas placement with regards to the > Lagna. > > > Points are distributed but theres no change in the > distribution > > > based on individual placement... this we need to deduce on > our > > own, > > > as you said with the individual grahas placement. > > > > > > > > That means that the resultant SAV for a bhava (really a > > rasi) > > > cannot be the final determinor for the natives extent of > > debt/gains, > > > as it merely shows potentiality - bindu or seed. I.e. where > > growth > > > can occur. The nature of this growth is deduced from the BAV > and > > > PAV, as not all grahas will give the same results in say - > 10th > > > house. > > > > > > > > The point is - which of Mars or Shani has the strongest > sway > > > over the 6th house. If Mars does then the debts will be > removed > > very > > > quickly. > > > > > > > > If we agree on the above, then we must consider the > > following; > > > > 1. Should we consider the individual BAV's of Mars and > Shani > > on > > > the Rasi of the 6th from Lagna and compare? > > > > > > ASH : THESE THINGS ARE CONSIDERD. IF 6TH HOUSE'S SAV IS > HIGH > > THEN > > > PERSON GETS GOOD SOCIAL STATUS.. IF 12TH IS HIGHER THAN 11TH > > THEN > > > EXPENSES ARE MORE THAN INCOME.. IF 10TH HOUSE POINTS ARE > MORE > > THAN > > > 11TH THEN PERSON HAS TO WORK HARDER FOR HIS MONEY... > > > IF POINTS IN 3:6:10:11 ARE IN ASCENDING ORDER .. PERSON HAS > GOOD > > > DARING TO DO BUSINESS AND GETS VERY HIGH AUTHORITY.. AND > WILL BE > > > SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS AND OWN VENUTRE... SO THESE THINGS > ARE > > ALL > > > CONSIDERED. EVEN THE BASIC.. VISTI.. ASHTAK-VARGA.. LAGNA + > 7 > > > GRAHAS.. MAHARISHIS HAVE THOUGHT OF IT ALL .. LOL > > > > > > > 2. Should we consider the BAV of Jupiter (dhana karaka) > > only, > > > and see the effects of Mars and Shani on the 6th from Lagna. > > > > > > ASH : EACH AND EVERY THING HAS A MEANING.. I THINK SOMEONE > HAD > > ASKED > > > IN THE PAST.. WHAT IF THERE IS ONE BINDU DIFFERENCE... IT > MAY > > NOT > > > MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE... AND THAT WAS ABSURD !!! CAUSE A > CHANGE > > OF 1 > > > BINDU CAN CHANGE VARIOUS YOGS AS A PLANET OR THE PLANET > ITSELF > > FROM > > > LAGNA HAS CHANGED.. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF THINGS GET > > > AFFECTED.. WHO KNOWS.. A PERSON MIGHT HAVE HAD A GAJ KESARI > YOG > > AND > > > NOW IT HAS DURUDHARA YOG.. WHO KNOW... OR MAY CAUSE A ZERO > IN > > SAV > > > AND WHEN MALEIFICS TRANSIT IT COULD CAUSE HAVOC.. I MEAN AS > YOU > > > SAID.. GURU IS NOT ONLY DHAN KARAK.. ITS ALSO KARAK FOR 5TH > > HOUSE > > > AND ONE OF THE THINGS OF 5TH HOUSE IS PUTRA.. SO IF GURU IS > > GIVING A > > > ZERO TO 2ND OR 10TH HOUSE OF 9TH HOUSE THEN THE PERSON MIGHT > NOT > > > HAVE ANY CHILDREN.. OR NO HAPPINESS FROM IT.. OR IF SUCH A > GURU > > IS > > > IN 6TH LORDS SIGN IN SAPTAMASA THEN IT MAY DENY IT.. ETC > ETC.. > > SO > > > YES WE NEED TO CHECK SAV FOR EACH AND EVERY PLANET AS EACH > AND > > EVERY > > > BINDU HAS A STORY TO TELL... > > > > > > > > > > > Forget Dasa's for now. > > > > > > ASH : YES .. IT WILL GET TOO COMPLICATED.. > > > > > > > > > CHEERS !!! > > > ASH > > > > > > > > Thanks for this discussion... its stimulating... > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > > Send a blank mail > > > To : - > > > To : > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah] > > Send a blank mail > > To : - > > To : > > > > Terms of > Service. 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