Classics: Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

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||Namah Shivaaya||

 

Dear Jay,

 

I'm jumpiing in a little late, but the Classics on the light of the Stars also

reveal more....

 

 

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Brihat Jataka:

 

CHAPTER IV

Stanza 22:

If Makara or Kumbha navamsa rises at the time of conception, aspected by Sani,

the child will be born after 4 years.

 

If Katakamsa rises at the time of conception, aspected by Chandra, then the

birth occurs after 12 years of pregnancy.

 

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Why Makar or Kumbh alone?

 

Why the aspects of Shani?

 

Why 4 years?

 

Why Chandra?

 

Why 12 years?

 

There is much more said here, than what the Maharishis revealed to us. I do not

have the reasons for this, but am reflective, as are many...

 

Hope that this helps.

Nitin.

:>

 

||Namah Shivaaya||

 

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"dhamakesin" <dhamakesin

 

Thu, 05 Feb 2004 06:48:08 -0000

 

>Dear J,

>

>Each moment and location is significant, as the birth of something.

>Such as a prasna chart, which is cast for the moment the astrologer

>answers the question at his location. So a birth is a question of a

>sort too, for which the time (and location) of emergence from the

>womb is significant. All things have different gestation periods and

>we have a very difficult time determining the actual first cause.

>But the moment of birth is identifiable. Measurements are always

>variable however, such as the time of sunrise for example, which may

>vary based upon the definition of the sunrise (first ray, middle,

>completely free of the horizon) or the observation techniques. It

>doesn't seem to me that this is a new issue at all.

>

>, "J.Weiss" <jayhw@t...> wrote:

>> Hi all,

>>

>> We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the past, some of

>which remain a future challenge.

>> If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the past, this one

>will blow your mind out as it is beyond anything known so far,

>breaking every rule in the book(s)!

>>

>> Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized outside the womb.

>Nothing new about that, right ?

>> That was back in 1990.

>> As a result of this process 12 embryos were 'created' of which 4

>were returned to the mothers womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the

>birth of 2 healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

>> The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in the hospital!

>>

>> Two years ago the couple decided to have more children and the

>hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen embryos, which were placed in the

>mothers womb, three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed

>normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9 month ago.

>> That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

>> The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins develop normally.

>>

>> The above true event happened in Jerusalem's (Israel) Hadasa

>hospital and the entire story appears in the February issue of "The

>Reproduction Journal" and I assume will be available on the net in a

>couple of month (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

>>

>> This event is a historical and as such it is in a complete

>opposition to any theory of a conception chart in relation with a

>birth chart.

>>

>> Instead of writing tons of astrological and moral issues here I

>leave the rest to your vivid imagination.

>>

>> What does any learned astrologer have to say about such a

>challenge ?

>>

>> Blessings

>> /Jay Weiss

>> http://www.alvicomm.com

>> http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

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|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Nitin,

Good work on the classics. You should also refer to Saravali, which

is probably one of the best classics with the knowledge of the time

before birth. Take this in comparison with Phala Deepika which

doesn't speak one word about the conception and time in the womb…

There is a very good reason for that.

 

Kalyan Verma states;

"Should Saturn's Navamsa rise whilst Saturn is in the 7th house, the

native will be born after 3 years." Note its 3 years and not 4… look

at Brhat Jataka again.

People have understood this as Saturn's delaying nature causing a

late birth, but now see what the author adds;

"Should Moons Navamsa rise (cancer) and Moon be placed in the 7th

house, the birth will occur after 12 years."

Some have interpreted this differently, but the fact remains that

Moons addition prolongs the time of birth.

 

Now here Kalyan Verma has given us some VERY important clues.

First of all the 7th house shows the end of the time in the womb,

hence the need for Graha's in the 7th house.

Secondly the word used is NISHEKA – not Adhana. This implies that

the Atma in the form of a living seed has entered into the womb, but

just like the seeds shed loosely by Siva and other Gods, the time

for adhana (initiation of growth) may not occur immedietely.

Thirdly the time of the grahas has been used in the reverse! Moon

being the fastest planet has become the giver of the longest time.

There is a lot of truth to this and comes when we understand the

philosophy of conception and pregnancy.

 

The time before the Nisheka (intercourse) is ruled purely by Ketu.

This is the time where Ganesa is headless and waiting for the father

(Siva) to give him a head. This wait is the time between births and

the attainment of the head is symbolized by the Sun + Ketu Yoga, or

as Jaimini says; Sun in Ketvamsa. This makes a person a father as

the Atma has been given life and a child has come. Now link this to

the story of the Matysa Avatara. The Matsya was growing isolated

until the right time came, when Vishnu in the form of the Matsya

comes to save the Vedas from the time of Pralaya. This is worth

thinking about.

 

Now comes the stage between Nisheka and Birth. This time is a state

of isolation and severe pain. The body of the child sits in the same

posture for an average of 9 months! The state of awareness of the

child revolves around the idea that the universe is in the womb.

This world view is an eclipse on the mind and shows the strength of

Rahu on the native. It is when Rahu reaches a state of exaltation in

the from of Varaha Avatara who pulled the world out of the waters,

just as birth pulls us out of the womb and into the world.

 

Now notice that these states are ruled exclusively but the nodes,

and hence all the Yogas for Nisheka will be in REVERSE! Does this

also answer the question as to why the nodes are not included in the

Naisargika Dasa? Rahu is said to be a mandooka (frog) and the

principle of counting various childbirths is based purely on the

Mandooka Ghati of the 5th house of Saptamsa. Again Rahu.

 

Since this time between Nisheka and Janma is ruled exclusively by

Rahu, most astrologers will go terribly wrong in their assumptions

unless guided properly by a Guru. This Nisheka is furthermore

different from the Adhana time, which is a very significant time for

seeing the living/jeevatma's past and future.

 

Infact Sarajit and I had a lot of discussions on Adhana after he

learnt with Guruji in Delhi, and it seems to give an insight into a

person's life which is far more detailed than the natal chart. But

this is a very difficult subject. Let alone deciding the Nisheka

time, which Dhira Krsna Dasa and I discussed and attempted a lot of

work on in the past, is extremely difficult. Infact I feel that

Dhira Krsna Dasa alone has done serious work on this on the lists,

and I feel proud that he was appointed to be guided by me in this

Parampara.

 

Maybe the proper step is to work on the classics and try to

differentiate between which slokas talk on Nisheka and which talk on

Adhana. Most of Saravali finds its base in Adhana whilst Jaimini's

Upadesa has its root in Nisheka AND the time of first period of the

woman. Brihat Jataka has a mix of both, and one should pay careful

attention to the use of the word; Tatkalika (temporary) and Nisheka,

when theres talk of lagna.

 

I hope this mail serves the purpose of spreading more light on this

topic, it is indeed a very difficult subject and will require some

digging. Notice Dhira's latest mails with reference to the Puranas

where unexplainable pregnancies and gestation periods have occurred.

I share his understanding. Take the mere example of Kunti who by the

mere glance of the Gods became pregnant, without the help of her

husband. In those times they had some knowledge which we don't have

today.

 

These Puranas are meant for our learning and even Parasara states in

the beginning of his Grahagunaadhyaaya that he EXPECTS you to have

full knowledge of the Established literature (Vedas, Puranas) and

the Naksatras, before one has ventured into his work on Jyotish.

Indeed it has been a great blessing for us to learn the essences of

each of these slokas from Sanjayji here in Puri. The depth to which

we study the slokas is very intense, and we can barely pass through

more than 1 sloka a day merely due to the immense amount of

knowledge and utility of the sloka. Take an example of Parasara's

words on Guna's. We ended up learning how to predict who will be the

next president of the US…

 

I hope this mail is of use to the seers of the list, unfortunately I

have not been able to post much, and this is a small contribution of

mine to satisfy those who have been seeking a sentence or two from

me. I hope to get time to contribute more in the future, if time

permits.

Best wishes to you,

Visti.

visti