Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Dear Dhamakesin, Hope u will not mind if i mention word counted is incorrect. perhaps word is connoted.it means to infer - Re read - Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas connoted (counted )by them, their lords and planets in such Rashis lose their power, unless retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. Dear friend i do not have vol I of the book.It will be ur obligation if u can throw some light on the following points too in context of teachings of Sri Iyer. 1. Sthool and sookshma bhava what are they. 2. summary of yoga effect and how to apply this knowledge. with love. PS By the way many software calculates iyer points one software is Digital jyotish.I could get Iyers book VOLII from footpath in Bombay in 1981 but by then Book is not treaceable,but i undestand theory of Sri Iyers are currently used by some in western world. RCS Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:11:33 -0000 "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin (AT) sysmatrix (DOT) net>Re: Yogi & Avayogi Point : Guidance RequiredDear Pankaj and members,I left out a very significant exception to H.R. S. Iyers rules of judgement, which is that:Negative planets in the nakshatra or rashi of the lagna is good. Also if the lagna is a dagdha rashi it is good anyway., "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> wrote:> Dear Pankaj,> > The nakshatra lord is based on the Vimsottari sequence. Ketu, Venus, > Sun, Moon, Mars, Rahu, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury.> > There are 30 Thithis and 27 Yogas. Yoga is the sum of Moon + Sun > longitude and thithi is the difference Moon - Sun longitude.> > Yogi: lord of the nakshatra containing the birth yoga point.> Duplicate Yogi: lord of the Rashi containing the birth yoga point.> Ava Yogi: enemy of the yogi, adverse for the yogi.> > Yogi -- Ava Yogi> ----------------> Sun -- Saturn> Moon -- Mercury> Mars -- Ketu> Mercury -- Mars> Jupiter -- Sun> Venus -- Jupiter> Saturn -- Moon> Rahu -- Venus> Ketu -- Rahu> > Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas counted by them, > their lords and planets in such Rashis lose their power, unless > retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer.> > > Positive and Negative:> > Positive rashi = own bhava.> Positive bhavas = bhavas except 3, 6, 8, or 12> Positive planets = birth yogi and duplicate yogi, lords of positive > bhavas that are not also dagdha. > Positive nakshatra = nakshatra of positive planets.> > Negative rashi = debilitation bhava and dagdha rashi.> Negative bhavas = 3, 6, 8, and 12.> Negative planets = birth avayogi, dagdha lords, lords of negative > bhavas.> Negative nakshatra = nakshatra of negative planets.> > Main rule for rashi, bhava, or nakshatra:> Positive in Positive or Negative in Negative yields positive > results. Mixed yields negative results.> > Only the dagdha rashi suffers of the two ruled by a planet.> > There are 34 theories (rules) of how to judge these effects.> > > Sincerely,> Dhamakesin> > > , "Pankaj Sharma" <ssa@n...> wrote:> > Dear List,> > I have some querries regarding Yogi & AvaYogi Planets.> > 1. Lord of the Nakshatra is Taken by which Dasha system-Vimsottari > or any> > other. I hope Visti may help me out!> > ............."You can alternatively add 93 degrees 20 minutes to > the total> > of the Sun and Moon's longitudes from 00.00 degrees Aries. Where > the total> > finishes is the yoga point and the lord of the nakshatra is the > yogi planet.> > .........."> > > > What is the role of Sah-Yogi or Duplicate Yogi Planet vis-a-vis > Yogi> > Planet.> > > > 2. What is Dagdha_rashi? If someone could enlighten on this aspect > too.> > > > Thanks in advance,> > regards,> > Pankaj Sharma> > Gorakhpur> > > > Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani@a...]> > Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:35 AM> > ssa@n...> > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Yogi & Avayogi Point : > Guidance> > Required> > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear Pankaj,> > I am attaching a small write up that I have. Hope it helps.> > Regards> > Rames h Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Dear Ramesh Chandra Srivastava, The original statement used the phrase "counted by", meaning "determined by", so the meaning is dagdha rashi, dagdha rashi lord, and bhava coinciding with the dagdha rashi. So connoted would be fine too instead of counted. "Bhavas counted by them, their lords and planets in such Rashis lose their power, unless retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. --- You should be able to get vol 1, 2, and a photocopy of Vol 3 of "New Techniques of Prediction" from: Manorama Occult Publications Manorama Bhawan, 170B, Bank Enclave, Delhi, India 110092 Phone 91-11-22468683, 91-11-9810386902. http://www.vedicweb.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=VWBO //manoramaoccult (AT) hotmail (DOT) com The fourth edition of vol 1 and vol 2 was published in 2000 by Janapriya Prakashana, Bangalore -- 22. --- Iyer taught that the sookshma (minutest or subtle) lord is the bhava nakshatra lord, and the stoola (broad based or gross) lord is the bhava rashi lord, based upon the cusp of the bhava. So each bhava has two lords. Bhava effects are given during their periods. You also ask about the yoga effects. Do you mean bhava (lord of house in house) or graha yogas (grahas together or aspecting)? I suspect that you mean bhava because you as asking other bhava questions. So how do we interpret the subtle and gross effects of a graha in a bhava? When using this Iyer system, you will have to combine the sookshma and stoola effects. For example, one may be positive graha and the other negative. This can mean that externally events are positive but subjectively they are not taken well (such as causing psychological distress), or the reverse condition may occur. It takes experience to see the strength of the effect produced. Iyer used shadbala for that. Iyer points out in volume 1 of his books that Rahu and Ketu may rule a house due to the rulership of the nakshatra, as sookshma lord. Note that the rulership of the nakshatras is based upon the Udu (Vimshottari) dasha scheme. It is the main dasha that actually has all nine grahas included so is very generally applicable. Similarly in Jaimini style interpretation, Rahu and Ketu can rule a (stoola) bhava if you use Aquarius for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. Sri pati method uses the bhava madhya (house midpoint). With this system the sookshma (subtle) lord is the bhava madhya nakshatra lord, and the stoola (gross) lord is the bhava madhya rashi lord. Both lords are of equal importance with the stoola showing external (objective) events and the sookshma showing the internal (subjective) effects. They are used in sri pati for dasha and transit analysis, as opposed to natal chart interpretation. Look at the natural (Rasi) and temporal (Bhava) factors for the dasha lord. So Iyer and Sri pati are not exactly the same due to the use of the cusp vs. the mid point. Does this help? Sincerely, Dhamakesin , ramesh chandra srivastava <swami_rcs> wrote: > Dear Dhamakesin, > > Hope u will not mind if i mention word counted is incorrect. > perhaps word is connoted.it means to infer - Re read - > Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas connoted > (counted )by them, their lords and planets in such Rashis > lose their power, unless retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. > > Dear friend i do not have vol I of the book.It will be ur > obligation if u can throw some light on the following > points too in context of teachings of Sri Iyer. > 1. Sthool and sookshma bhava what are they. > 2. summary of yoga effect and how to apply this knowledge. > with love. > PS By the way many software calculates iyer points one > software is Digital jyotish.I could get Iyers book VOLII > from footpath in Bombay in 1981 but by then Book is not > treaceable,but i undestand theory of Sri Iyers are currently > used by some in western world. > RCS > Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:11:33 -0000 > "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> > Re: Yogi & Avayogi Point : Guidance Required > > Dear Pankaj and members, > > I left out a very significant exception to H.R. S. Iyers rules of > judgement, which is that: > > Negative planets in the nakshatra or rashi of the lagna is good. > Also if the lagna is a dagdha rashi it is good anyway. > > , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Pankaj, > > > > The nakshatra lord is based on the Vimsottari sequence. Ketu, > Venus, > > Sun, Moon, Mars, Rahu, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury. > > > > There are 30 Thithis and 27 Yogas. Yoga is the sum of Moon + Sun > > longitude and thithi is the difference Moon - Sun longitude. > > > > Yogi: lord of the nakshatra containing the birth yoga point. > > Duplicate Yogi: lord of the Rashi containing the birth yoga point. > > Ava Yogi: enemy of the yogi, adverse for the yogi. > > > > Yogi -- Ava Yogi > > ---------------- > > Sun -- Saturn > > Moon -- Mercury > > Mars -- Ketu > > Mercury -- Mars > > Jupiter -- Sun > > Venus -- Jupiter > > Saturn -- Moon > > Rahu -- Venus > > Ketu -- Rahu > > > > Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas counted by them, > > their lords and planets in such Rashis lose their power, unless > > retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. > > > > > > Positive and Negative: > > > > Positive rashi = own bhava. > > Positive bhavas = bhavas except 3, 6, 8, or 12 > > Positive planets = birth yogi and duplicate yogi, lords of positive > > bhavas that are not also dagdha. > > Positive nakshatra = nakshatra of positive planets. > > > > Negative rashi = debilitation bhava and dagdha rashi. > > Negative bhavas = 3, 6, 8, and 12. > > Negative planets = birth avayogi, dagdha lords, lords of negative > > bhavas. > > Negative nakshatra = nakshatra of negative planets. > > > > Main rule for rashi, bhava, or nakshatra: > > Positive in Positive or Negative in Negative yields positive > > results. Mixed yields negative results. > > > > Only the dagdha rashi suffers of the two ruled by a planet. > > > > There are 34 theories (rules) of how to judge these effects. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Dhamakesin > > > > > > , "Pankaj Sharma" <ssa@n...> > wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > I have some querries regarding Yogi & AvaYogi Planets. > > > 1. Lord of the Nakshatra is Taken by which Dasha system- > Vimsottari > > or any > > > other. I hope Visti may help me out! > > > ............."You can alternatively add 93 degrees 20 minutes to > > the total > > > of the Sun and Moon's longitudes from 00.00 degrees Aries. Where > > the total > > > finishes is the yoga point and the lord of the nakshatra is the > > yogi planet. > > > .........." > > > > > > What is the role of Sah-Yogi or Duplicate Yogi Planet vis-a-vis > > Yogi > > > Planet. > > > > > > 2. What is Dagdha_rashi? If someone could enlighten on this > aspect > > too. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > regards, > > > Pankaj Sharma > > > Gorakhpur > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani@a...] > > > Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:35 AM > > > ssa@n... > > > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Yogi & Avayogi Point : > > Guidance > > > Required > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > Dear Pankaj, > > > I am attaching a small write up that I have. Hope it helps. > > > Regards > > > Rames h > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Dear Ramesh Chandra Srivastava and Members, I made a mistake when I stated "So Iyer and Sri pati are not exactly the same due to the use of the cusp vs. the mid point." Iyer does use the mid point, but calls it the cusp in his writings, and utilizes the span (the bhava itself) which is either side of the midpoint for gochara, etc. but uses the bhava madhya (called cusp by Iyer) to determine the lordships. The different terminology of cusp and bhava madhya can be confusing when discussing the bhavas. This is described in "New Techniques of Prediction" vol. 1, chapter 2, pages 94-103. Sincerely, Dhamakesin , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > Dear Ramesh Chandra Srivastava, > > The original statement used the phrase "counted by", meaning > "determined by", so the meaning is dagdha rashi, dagdha rashi lord, > and bhava coinciding with the dagdha rashi. So connoted would be fine > too instead of counted. > > "Bhavas counted by them, their lords and planets in such Rashis > lose their power, unless retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. > > --- > > You should be able to get vol 1, 2, and a photocopy of Vol 3 of "New > Techniques of Prediction" from: > > Manorama Occult Publications > Manorama Bhawan, 170B, Bank Enclave, Delhi, India 110092 > Phone 91-11-22468683, 91-11-9810386902. > > http://www.vedicweb.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv? Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=VWBO > > //manoramaoccult@h... > > > The fourth edition of vol 1 and vol 2 was published in 2000 by > Janapriya Prakashana, Bangalore -- 22. > > --- > Iyer taught that the sookshma (minutest or subtle) lord is the bhava > nakshatra lord, and the stoola (broad based or gross) lord is the > bhava rashi lord, based upon the cusp of the bhava. So each bhava has > two lords. Bhava effects are given during their periods. > > You also ask about the yoga effects. Do you mean bhava (lord of house > in house) or graha yogas (grahas together or aspecting)? I suspect > that you mean bhava because you as asking other bhava questions. So > how do we interpret the subtle and gross effects of a graha in a bhava? > > When using this Iyer system, you will have to combine the sookshma and > stoola effects. For example, one may be positive graha and the other > negative. This can mean that externally events are positive but > subjectively they are not taken well (such as causing psychological > distress), or the reverse condition may occur. It takes experience to > see the strength of the effect produced. Iyer used shadbala for that. > > Iyer points out in volume 1 of his books that Rahu and Ketu may rule a > house due to the rulership of the nakshatra, as sookshma lord. Note > that the rulership of the nakshatras is based upon the Udu > (Vimshottari) dasha scheme. It is the main dasha that actually has > all nine grahas included so is very generally applicable. > > Similarly in Jaimini style interpretation, Rahu and Ketu can rule a > (stoola) bhava if you use Aquarius for Rahu and Scorpio for Ketu. > > Sri pati method uses the bhava madhya (house midpoint). With this > system the sookshma (subtle) lord is the bhava madhya nakshatra lord, > and the stoola (gross) lord is the bhava madhya rashi lord. > Both lords are of equal importance with the stoola showing external > (objective) events and the sookshma showing the internal (subjective) > effects. > > They are used in sri pati for dasha and transit analysis, as opposed > to natal chart interpretation. Look at the natural (Rasi) and temporal > (Bhava) factors for the dasha lord. > > So Iyer and Sri pati are not exactly the same due to the use of the > cusp vs. the mid point. > > Does this help? > > Sincerely, > Dhamakesin > > , ramesh chandra srivastava > <swami_rcs> wrote: > > Dear Dhamakesin, > > > > Hope u will not mind if i mention word counted is incorrect. > > perhaps word is connoted.it means to infer - Re read - > > Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas connoted > > (counted )by them, their lords and planets in such Rashis > > lose their power, unless retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. > > > > Dear friend i do not have vol I of the book.It will be ur > > obligation if u can throw some light on the following > > points too in context of teachings of Sri Iyer. > > 1. Sthool and sookshma bhava what are they. > > 2. summary of yoga effect and how to apply this knowledge. > > with love. > > PS By the way many software calculates iyer points one > > software is Digital jyotish.I could get Iyers book VOLII > > from footpath in Bombay in 1981 but by then Book is not > > treaceable,but i undestand theory of Sri Iyers are currently > > used by some in western world. > > RCS > > Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:11:33 -0000 > > "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> > > Re: Yogi & Avayogi Point : Guidance Required > > > > Dear Pankaj and members, > > > > I left out a very significant exception to H.R. S. Iyers rules of > > judgement, which is that: > > > > Negative planets in the nakshatra or rashi of the lagna is good. > > Also if the lagna is a dagdha rashi it is good anyway. > > > > , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Pankaj, > > > > > > The nakshatra lord is based on the Vimsottari sequence. Ketu, > > Venus, > > > Sun, Moon, Mars, Rahu, Jupiter, Saturn, Mercury. > > > > > > There are 30 Thithis and 27 Yogas. Yoga is the sum of Moon + Sun > > > longitude and thithi is the difference Moon - Sun longitude. > > > > > > Yogi: lord of the nakshatra containing the birth yoga point. > > > Duplicate Yogi: lord of the Rashi containing the birth yoga point. > > > Ava Yogi: enemy of the yogi, adverse for the yogi. > > > > > > Yogi -- Ava Yogi > > > ---------------- > > > Sun -- Saturn > > > Moon -- Mercury > > > Mars -- Ketu > > > Mercury -- Mars > > > Jupiter -- Sun > > > Venus -- Jupiter > > > Saturn -- Moon > > > Rahu -- Venus > > > Ketu -- Rahu > > > > > > Dagdha Rashi: these are burnt Rashis. "Bhavas counted by them, > > > their lords and planets in such Rashis lose their power, unless > > > retrograde." -- H.R. Seshadri Iyer. > > > > > > > > > Positive and Negative: > > > > > > Positive rashi = own bhava. > > > Positive bhavas = bhavas except 3, 6, 8, or 12 > > > Positive planets = birth yogi and duplicate yogi, lords of positive > > > bhavas that are not also dagdha. > > > Positive nakshatra = nakshatra of positive planets. > > > > > > Negative rashi = debilitation bhava and dagdha rashi. > > > Negative bhavas = 3, 6, 8, and 12. > > > Negative planets = birth avayogi, dagdha lords, lords of negative > > > bhavas. > > > Negative nakshatra = nakshatra of negative planets. > > > > > > Main rule for rashi, bhava, or nakshatra: > > > Positive in Positive or Negative in Negative yields positive > > > results. Mixed yields negative results. > > > > > > Only the dagdha rashi suffers of the two ruled by a planet. > > > > > > There are 34 theories (rules) of how to judge these effects. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dhamakesin > > > > > > > > > , "Pankaj Sharma" <ssa@n...> > > wrote: > > > > Dear List, > > > > I have some querries regarding Yogi & AvaYogi Planets. > > > > 1. Lord of the Nakshatra is Taken by which Dasha system- > > Vimsottari > > > or any > > > > other. I hope Visti may help me out! > > > > ............."You can alternatively add 93 degrees 20 minutes to > > > the total > > > > of the Sun and Moon's longitudes from 00.00 degrees Aries. Where > > > the total > > > > finishes is the yoga point and the lord of the nakshatra is the > > > yogi planet. > > > > .........." > > > > > > > > What is the role of Sah-Yogi or Duplicate Yogi Planet vis-a- vis > > > Yogi > > > > Planet. > > > > > > > > 2. What is Dagdha_rashi? If someone could enlighten on this > > aspect > > > too. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > regards, > > > > Pankaj Sharma > > > > Gorakhpur > > > > > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani@a...] > > > > Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:35 AM > > > > ssa@n... > > > > RE: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Yogi & Avayogi Point : > > > Guidance > > > > Required > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > Dear Pankaj, > > > > I am attaching a small write up that I have. Hope it helps. > > > > Regards > > > > Rames h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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