The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will Solved

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Nisha,

 

Pls follow the following url, you will find one of the brilliantly

pieces from Sri Rama Narayanan on the topic:

 

vedic astrology/message/37013

 

i'll write more whne i get more time.

 

regards

viswanadham

, "nisha malik" <nisha1970@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave

Namah

Om Namah Shivaye

>

> Dear Vishwanadham,

>

> Thank you ........... whenever you answer or reply back .it

is always a learning experience .

>

> In essence would you not agree .....that only bad karma would have

the effect of binding us down and not good karma .So the key word is

good and therefore God.(isnt dharamkarmaadhiapati yoga in essence

that do the karma in accordance to your dharma)

>

> The atma is always trying to achieve oneness with the

paramatma...good karma releases us from all ties........and get us

closer to purer sattvik selves(isn't that every atmas gati and isn't

that the real I) (do also read my reply to Mahendra ji)

>

> yada sattve pravrddhe tu

> pralayam yati deha -bhrt

> tadottama-vidam lokan

> amalan pratipadyate

> srimad bhagavad -gita

> *During the predominance of sattva(goodness) when the embodied

being dies he attains to the pure world of those who knows the

highest Brahman"

>

> Free will exists to help us realize the pure "I" which we may lose

by succumbing to Maya. Good Karmas help to penetrate the shroud of

Maya and let light into the soul whereas bad karmas is just what

perpetuates Maya........u remain bound to the cycle .........

>

> Karma does not bind ........always ....it can be the greatest

liberating force specially if done without any expectation to the

fruits

>

> Please do reply and correct me if I have made any errors in

understanding

>

>

> regards

> Nisha

>

>

>

> -

> vishwanatham

>

> Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:28 AM

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] The Riddle of Fate and Free-Will

Solved

>

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Nisha,

>

> Allow me to jump in!

>

> i just tried to answer one question of yours. (In Caps) xcuse me

> writing in caps(i am not trying to shout),as writing from the web

> formatting is not possible!

>

> regards

> viswanadham

>

>

> , "nisha malik"

<nisha1970@h...>

> wrote:

> > Om Gurave

Namah

> Om Namah Shivaye

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Mahendra,

> >

> > You are completely right this is one of the best articles I

have

> read on this highly debatable topic so much so it remains saved

on my

> hard disc.

> >

> > But it does not put and end to debate and is infact a

beginning to

> a lot of questions an astrologer (specially a student)encounters.

> >

> > How does one relate to the present karma a native is doing in

this

> birth.Can astrology really explain what the individual is doing

in

> this birth..isn't freewill already defined in the chart ...i.e.

the

> ability to the right karma and the course to spiritual evolution

> already laid down.Then where is free will.

> >

>

> INDEED A VERY NICE ARTICLE.

> IT SAYS THAT KARMA IS A RESULT OF EXCERSISE OF OUR FREE WILL IN

OUR

> PAST LIFE (s).THE ARTICLE MAKES A FINE DISTINCTION

BETWEEN 'VASANAS'

> AND 'KARMA'. USING FREE WILL ONE CAN CHANGE 'VASANAS'. SO IF I AM

> TELLING LIES, I DO NOT HAVE TO SAY THAT IT IS MY KARMA!

> HERE 'EFFORTS'IS THE KEY WORD.

>

> WHAT I FEEL NEEDS TO BE DEFINED IS THE WORD 'I', 'MY' etc. THEN

we

> can understand FREE WILL IS OF who and why WE ARE GETTING BOUNDED

BY

> KARMA (WHICH IS CREATED BY OUR EXCERCISE OF FREE WILL). If 'i' is

our

> mind & body, then we are getting bounded.

>

> SO IT BECOMES IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE GATI OF OUR ATMA! (AK & ISHTA

> COME IN HERE). WHEN YOU USE YOUR FREE WILL (TO CHANGE

YOUR 'VASANAS')

> TO FOLLOW YOUR ATMA's GATI, THEN YOUR FREE WILL IS TRULY FREED!

THIS

> LEADS TO MOKSHA. (ALSO READ 'COMING BACK' BY BHAKTI VEDANTA BOOK

> TRUST).

>

> 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFIES, WHY A SAINT IS A SAINT, WHEREAS 5TH HOUSE IS

THE

> KEY FOR A SINNER - TO KNOW WHAT IS THE FUTURE? (BOTH ARE IN

DHARMA

> TRIKONA)

>

> YES GOD IS EVER SO KIND! EVERY BIT OF ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS

> SPIRITUALITY IS ADDED & NOTHING IS SUBTRACTED, TO QUALIFY ONE FOR

> ANOTHER HUMAN LIFE, TO MAKE ONE MORE ATTEMPT AT 'MOKSHA', till

the

> Goal is achieved! HE does not punish anyone, coming back to Bhu

loka

> is itself a punishment! THEN THERE ARE 800,000+ SPECIES ON THIS

> EARTH AND TAKING BIRTH AS ANY ONE OF THEM IS A PUNISHMENT.

STARTING

> ALL OVER AGAIN!!

>

> IS IT NOT TRUE THAT WE SUBTLY WORK TO CREATE ANOTHER BODY FOR OUR

> FUTURE LIFE, AND THEN ANOTHER BODY, AND THEN YET ANOTHER BODY...

AND

> THEN GRIEVE THAT WE ARE BOUNDED BY KARMA. (you can see the free

will

> working here to bind us!)

>

> SO FREE WILL does EXIST, how it works DEPENDS ON, HOW WE

DEFINE 'i' &

> its goal. Simply put, you want liberation or you want to be

bounded

> by karma?

>

> Unfortunately,liberation in pratical life is less enticing than

the

> other alternative. This is 'maya'! Yes Astrologers are also

within

> the boundaries of 'maya'. (We need to think why the

qualifications

> for an astrologer are so stiff!). i'll stop here.

>

>

> > If there is free will(which I personally feel is there)

> then...astrology paves the way to eternal bliss

> >

> > How many times does a practicing astrologer relate this back to

the

> advise he/she gives on a practical level.Yes there is talk about

> remedies prayers devotion to Isht Dev ...but don't most

practicising

> astrologers neglect good old advise on ethics principal

right /wrong

> (in essence good and bad karma) which is the sacred thread the

> creation is woven from(and in fact the warp and weft of

> astrology).Didn't God create this entire cycle for jeev to evolve

and

> be close with him paramatma and Jyotish the divine science to

give an

> inkling how to achieve this......

> >

> > Are not relationships defined by rinbandhans ,aspirations by

left

> over wishes from last birth ,talents as blessing from the past .A

> simple explanation on the same help would help most

people .......in

> not only coming to terms with circumstances in this life but

evolve

> as better and happier individuals in future lives and follow this

> karmic evolution.

> >

> > Simply put why run from the lesson one is supposed to

learn ,let

> life it be your teacher,but no matter what do the right thing

don't

> fail yr ideals ,put the right effort ..don't give up on people or

> relationships ..... be patient .and smile when miracles happen.

> >

> > Yes they do ...... and that's gods prerogative ..

> >

> > "Kar Bhala to Ho Bhala"

> >

> > Regards

> > Nisha Malik

> >

> >

>

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> [Om Kleem Krishnaaya Jagannathaaya namah]

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