Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Bharat, What you have raised is a big topic! Think of the whole thing as symbolic. What is outside is inside us. What we try to do is to model human lives using the astro tools/symbols. We should not get caught in the sthoola/gross representations, then we miss the sookshma/subtle part of it. Try reading Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra(BPHS), keeping this in mind. Parasara has given rules for placement of planets in different vargas. Planets may change signs in the divisionals (from the snap shot of the Zodiac at the time of birth). Apply your own logic and see if planetary degrees are playing any role or not? regards viswanadham , Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> wrote: > Respected Gurujans: > > I have question about 2 planets in a same sign in any of the D charts. > Like in Lagna we say if X planet is Y degrees from sun it will be > combust or we say if jup and rahu are in same sign and only 2 degrees > away than it effects jupiter potential to perform. > > So likewise what are the degrees we look at when considering in D-n > chart. If say in ju and rahu are in 4th house in D-10 chart of an > individual do we still look at the same degrees of planets as in rasi > chart ?? or there is any other way to look at this. > > Plz explain this to us as i feel its a very important aspect when > looking at d-charts. An example would be great as to explain how > things are getting influenced. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Hare Krishna > > Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear viswanadhamji: Thanks for ur mail and explanation. Will read BPHS and try to investigate more by seeing more charts and perhaps by doing the varga charts manually. Hare Krishna, Bharat On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:31:45 -0000, vishwanatham <vishwanatham wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Bharat, > > What you have raised is a big topic! > > Think of the whole thing as symbolic. What is outside is inside us. > > What we try to do is to model human lives using the astro > tools/symbols. We should not get caught in the sthoola/gross > representations, then we miss the sookshma/subtle part of it. > > Try reading Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra(BPHS), keeping this in mind. > Parasara has given rules for placement of planets in different > vargas. > > Planets may change signs in the divisionals (from the snap shot of > the Zodiac at the time of birth). > > Apply your own logic and see if planetary degrees are playing any > role or not? > > regards > viswanadham > > , Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> > > > wrote: > > Respected Gurujans: > > > > I have question about 2 planets in a same sign in any of the D > charts. > > Like in Lagna we say if X planet is Y degrees from sun it will be > > combust or we say if jup and rahu are in same sign and only 2 > degrees > > away than it effects jupiter potential to perform. > > > > So likewise what are the degrees we look at when considering in D-n > > chart. If say in ju and rahu are in 4th house in D-10 chart of an > > individual do we still look at the same degrees of planets as in > rasi > > chart ?? or there is any other way to look at this. > > > > Plz explain this to us as i feel its a very important aspect when > > looking at d-charts. An example would be great as to explain how > > things are getting influenced. > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > / > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna: Dear Sabri: Thanks once again for putting things in prespective, i am sure the degrees would be useful to getting accuracy in D charts. If we do let all the Rashi chart rules applicable to D charts than surely degrees should too be applicable. I was looking for more books on internet about divisional charts, havent read Varga Chakra book from sanjayji yet so not sure if he discusses on this. There is more literature available on this but as Vistiji says will try to learn more on rashi and navamsa before getting on research with d charts. Thanks for ur time and would love to hear more from you. Bharat On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:50:36 -0000, Sabri <korua wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > Dear Bharat, > At least let me try to throw a little bit of light on this question > of yours; Some other software like Parashara's Light reports the > degrees in Vargas and they are different than the degrees found in > the Rashi chart, e.g. each Varga has different degrees for each > Graha. In general Jyotishis do not use degrees in the Vargas. To me > this is an area that needs some research. I myself (not being an > authority on the subject anyway) am not sure about whether degrees > in Vargas should be considered or not. From some angles they should, > or they might be considered, e.g. regarding those people who fully > use the vargas, just like the Rashi, and looking at other Jyotishis > who do not fully use the vargas, then degrees have no meaning, e.g. > some people do not look at houses in D-9, only look at in which > Rashi a Graha is placed, so for such an approach degrees do not make > sense at all. I have not used the commercial version of JHL, but > just a guess; I do not think they will be found there. > Best wishes, Sabri. > > vedic astrology, Bharat Vyas > > > <bharatvyas@g...> wrote: > > Dear Nitinji > > > > Thanks for ur mail and answering my question. So do u think we do > > indeed calculate the degrees of planets in D chart in software for > > their accurate positioning ?? if so than maybe JHL source code > would > > have the calculations...not sure if commercial version of software > > gives these degrees cause i am using free version as of now. > > > > Also if we dont have degrees than maybe we should not consider the > > degrees at all ?? or we use the degrees in rashi chart applicable > to > > d-charts ?? > > > > Other learned members plz throw light on this and help us clear > our doubts. > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > Bharat > > > > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:53:03 -0000, Nitin <astronitin> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > > > You have asked a good thought-provoking question. Allow me to > share > > > some of my understanding… > > > > > > > > Without a snapshot of the heavens at the time of birth, one > cannot map > > > it into a Rashi as a visual representation. > > > > > > From the Rashi, we get the other subdivisional charts. These > charts > > > are aids to the Rashi. > > > > > > Subjectively -- I'm sure that there was a time the Rishis could > look > > > upon the Rashi alone, and derive not only the important Navamsa, > but > > > the remainder of the sub charts. It is only in a more recent > era, with > > > the advent of technology that we are perhaps more at ease (or a > loss?) > > > in the calculations. > > > > > > In theory, one could indeed calculate degrees of the nth chart. > > > However, I'm not sure the Rishis did this. Instead, I remember > that > > > certain descriptions / deities have been mentioned as an aid to > what > > > is transpiring in the charts. > > > > > > Look at the degrees and Rashi placements to understand what is > > > transpiring in the chart(s). The degrees / minutes / seconds do > not > > > change. > > > > > > Hope some of this helps. > > > > > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans: > > > > > > I have question about 2 planets in a same sign in any of the D > charts. > > > Like in Lagna we say if X planet is Y degrees from sun it will be > > > combust or we say if jup and rahu are in same sign and only 2 > degrees > > > away than it effects jupiter potential to perform. > > > > > > So likewise what are the degrees we look at when considering in > D-n > > > chart. If say in ju and rahu are in 4th house in D-10 chart of an > > > individual do we still look at the same degrees of planets as in > rasi > > > chart ?? or there is any other way to look at this. > > > > > > Plz explain this to us as i feel its a very important aspect when > > > looking at d-charts. An example would be great as to explain how > > > things are getting influenced. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I've been silent on this thread for the want of better knowledge, but degrees in d-charts does sound a wee odd. If I remember correctly - and I could be wrong here, in some d-charts, the progression from one sign to another isn't a normal shift but some kind of jump, esp the lagna. Would degrees really fit, then? Also, if on an amavasya tithi where Mo and Su are together in d-1 but are 7 houses apart in a d-chart, would one reckon the effects of a benefic Mo in respect of that d-chart? And what about retrogression? I hope folks don't see placements within various divisions vis-a-vis the Su to reckon whether or not a planet is retro Sanjay, I know you're around somewhere, lurking and smiling. Why not come forth with something? Cheers, Ramapriya - Bharat Vyas Sabri ; Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:06 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Degrees of Planets in D ChartDear Sabri: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Yes, I think talking of degrees in D-n charts is difficult. This is because D-n charts are derived based on these degrees in D-1. However, since it is said that D-n charts reveal a particular area of a persons life and hence supplements the understanding from D-1, we can say that the degree-strength scheme of D-1 has some bearing on the D-n understanding. -Sourav ======================================================== , "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...> wrote: > I've been silent on this thread for the want of better knowledge, but degrees in d-charts does sound a wee odd. If I remember correctly - and I could be wrong here, in some d-charts, the progression from one sign to another isn't a normal shift but some kind of jump, esp the lagna. Would degrees really fit, then? > Also, if on an amavasya tithi where Mo and Su are together in d-1 but are 7 houses apart in a d-chart, would one reckon the effects of a benefic Mo in respect of that d-chart? And what about retrogression? I hope folks don't see placements within various divisions vis-a-vis the Su to reckon whether or not a planet is retro > > Sanjay, I know you're around somewhere, lurking and smiling. Why not come forth with something? > > Cheers, > > Ramapriya > - > Bharat Vyas > Sabri ; > Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:06 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Degrees of Planets in D Chart > > Dear Sabri: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Ramapriyaji: I am just a beginner and in no way cross questioning anybodies views, but just clarifying my doubts. My postulate is that like in rashi chart there are 12 signs in any d-chart and even if planets are just jumping on the basis of their rashi chart position, i would assume the jump would be a whole number and so degree would still be same. Now while predicting in rashi, sandhi is a major factor and so is retrogression or combustion so why not in d-chart. Awaiting Sanjayji to throw some light on this. Also i had conversation with other member of forum (Adnan Sabri), i was informed that Parashara Light software does gives degrees for planets in d-charts. Hare Rama Krishna, Bharat On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:41:17 +0400, Ramapriya D <hubli wrote: >  > I've been silent on this thread for the want of better knowledge, but > degrees in d-charts does sound a wee odd. If I remember correctly - and I > could be wrong here, in some d-charts, the progression from one sign to > another isn't a normal shift but some kind of jump, esp the lagna. Would > degrees really fit, then? > Also, if on an amavasya tithi where Mo and Su are together in d-1 but are 7 > houses apart in a d-chart, would one reckon the effects of a benefic Mo in > respect of that d-chart? And what about retrogression? I hope folks don't > see placements within various divisions vis-a-vis the Su to reckon whether > or not a planet is retro > > Sanjay, I know you're around somewhere, lurking and smiling. Why not come > forth with something? > > Cheers, > > Ramapriya > > > > - > Bharat Vyas > Sabri ; > Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:06 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Degrees of Planets in D Chart > Dear Sabri: > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Bharat, i have seen the other responses and also your thoughts on this. As Parasara says shodasa varga (16 vargas), Rasi (D1) is also one of them. So, if you take the snap shot of the zodiac at the time of birth we can a see a chart (call it Rasi or whatever), with everything icluded in it. >From that chart, we can look at the various divisions. Divisions need not be 'charts'. They are just divisions of the 'snap shot', which is personal to the native. You can read the names of divisions and how they are divided from BPHS. For each of the divisions you can construct a chart (or Yantras if you like it). Any logic you apply need to be consistent from here and should have the support of shastras/Gurus. Hope some of the learned members comment on this. regards viswanadham , Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> wrote: > Dear viswanadhamji: > > Thanks for ur mail and explanation. Will read BPHS and try to > investigate more by seeing more charts and perhaps by doing the varga > charts manually. > > Hare Krishna, > > Bharat > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:31:45 -0000, vishwanatham > <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Bharat, > > > > What you have raised is a big topic! > > > > Think of the whole thing as symbolic. What is outside is inside us. > > > > What we try to do is to model human lives using the astro > > tools/symbols. We should not get caught in the sthoola/gross > > representations, then we miss the sookshma/subtle part of it. > > > > Try reading Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra(BPHS), keeping this in mind. > > Parasara has given rules for placement of planets in different > > vargas. > > > > Planets may change signs in the divisionals (from the snap shot of > > the Zodiac at the time of birth). > > > > Apply your own logic and see if planetary degrees are playing any > > role or not? > > > > regards > > viswanadham > > > > , Bharat Vyas <bharatvyas@g...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > Respected Gurujans: > > > > > > I have question about 2 planets in a same sign in any of the D > > charts. > > > Like in Lagna we say if X planet is Y degrees from sun it will be > > > combust or we say if jup and rahu are in same sign and only 2 > > degrees > > > away than it effects jupiter potential to perform. > > > > > > So likewise what are the degrees we look at when considering in D-n > > > chart. If say in ju and rahu are in 4th house in D-10 chart of an > > > individual do we still look at the same degrees of planets as in > > rasi > > > chart ?? or there is any other way to look at this. > > > > > > Plz explain this to us as i feel its a very important aspect when > > > looking at d-charts. An example would be great as to explain how > > > things are getting influenced. > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Bharat, Namaskar Combustion, retrogression, etc are astronomical phenomena. If we are to say that a planet is at a certain degree, again its an astronomical phenomena. As soon as we make the divisional charts, our astronomical heritage disapears, so how can we judge new ranges for combustion, retrogression etc? Now what is astrological phenomena then? Astrological phenomena are things like dristis, exaltation, Mülatrikoëa, etc signs of the various planets, sambandha and relative placements of planets giving various results. Argala, and such concepts. So the astrological phenomena we can surely re-use in the varga charts, but not the astronomical. This is what the parampara teaches – but others do experiment with the drawing of divisional charts and the degrees of planets relative to a 360 degree scheme within that chart… this we cannot abide by. So if a planet is combust or retrograde, it will affect the planet in all the divisional charts. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Bharat Vyas [bharatvyas ] 08 December 2004 05:18 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Degrees of Planets in D Chart 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Ramapriyaji: I am just a beginner and in no way cross questioning anybodies views, but just clarifying my doubts. My postulate is that like in rashi chart there are 12 signs in any d-chart and even if planets are just jumping on the basis of their rashi chart position, i would assume the jump would be a whole number and so degree would still be same. Now while predicting in rashi, sandhi is a major factor and so is retrogression or combustion so why not in d-chart. Awaiting Sanjayji to throw some light on this. Also i had conversation with other member of forum (Adnan Sabri), i was informed that Parashara Light software does gives degrees for planets in d-charts. Hare Rama Krishna, Bharat On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:41:17 +0400, Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote: >  > I've been silent on this thread for the want of better knowledge, but > degrees in d-charts does sound a wee odd. If I remember correctly - and I > could be wrong here, in some d-charts, the progression from one sign to > another isn't a normal shift but some kind of jump, esp the lagna. Would > degrees really fit, then? > Also, if on an amavasya tithi where Mo and Su are together in d-1 but are 7 > houses apart in a d-chart, would one reckon the effects of a benefic Mo in > respect of that d-chart? And what about retrogression? I hope folks don't > see placements within various divisions vis-a-vis the Su to reckon whether > or not a planet is retro > > Sanjay, I know you're around somewhere, lurking and smiling. Why not come > forth with something? > > Cheers, > > Ramapriya > > > > - > Bharat Vyas > Sabri ; > Wednesday, December 08, 2004 6:06 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Degrees of Planets in D Chart > Dear Sabri: > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > > > / > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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