Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Namaskar, I know that ownership of the 12th house (or 6th, 8th) increases the malefic tendency of a planet. However, how would it change if the lord of the house (in this case i'm looking at Jupiter, with Capricorn ascendant) was in the 12th house and also in it's Moolatrikona sign? What are the implications for the behaviour 1. of the lord (ie jupiter in this case) and 2. of the 12th house? Thank you. Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Let me try, Samir. I don't think that 12L is the same genre of beast as 6L or 8L; that's possibly one of the reasons why neither 6L nor 8L can lord 12H too. 12L is functionally regarded neutral whose color depends on who it's associated with. Now this is what BPHS says. I've personally found 12L to be just a little less docile than that. 12L in 12H is not unfavorable. If I've to guess what Ju in Sg in 12H could do, I'd say you'd have coital incompatibility or discontent. As a payoff, you'd live well and long, and have good education. For a female, substitute "live long" with "husband of good status". Remember, Me is presently retro, so all I write comes with a very valid disclaimer Cheers, Ramapriya - ray_of_solaris Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:24 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th Namaskar,I know that ownership of the 12th house (or 6th, 8th) increases the malefic tendency of a planet. However, how would it change if the lord of the house (in this case i'm looking at Jupiter, with Capricorn ascendant) was in the 12th house and also in it's Moolatrikona sign?What are the implications for the behaviour 1. of the lord (ie jupiter in this case) and 2. of the 12th house?Thank you.Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Namaskar, Thank you so much for your analyisis. You mention that in this case (which is my own, actually), jupiter may give me a good education. in fact at the moment my university education has been broken due to illness. i think it has a lot to do with Ju transiting virgo, which houses my natal Su AND Mo. This coupled with the Ra-Mo dasha i'm going through at the moment. Could you tell me if Ju going into retrograde in Vi around April will have any different effects? A separate question. I'm looking at a chart with four planets in 5H. They are all spread out fairly nicely across the house. Does this mean that they are not all really conjunct? In any case the combination has probably meant the native will not have children. Thank you very much for your help! Samir , "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...> wrote: > Let me try, Samir. > I don't think that 12L is the same genre of beast as 6L or 8L; that's possibly one of the reasons why neither 6L nor 8L can lord 12H too. 12L is functionally regarded neutral whose color depends on who it's associated with. Now this is what BPHS says. I've personally found 12L to be just a little less docile than that. > 12L in 12H is not unfavorable. If I've to guess what Ju in Sg in 12H could do, I'd say you'd have coital incompatibility or discontent. As a payoff, you'd live well and long, and have good education. For a female, substitute "live long" with "husband of good status". > Remember, Me is presently retro, so all I write comes with a very valid disclaimer > Cheers, > Ramapriya > > - > ray_of_solaris > > Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:24 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th > > Namaskar, > > I know that ownership of the 12th house (or 6th, 8th) increases the malefic tendency of a planet. However, how would it change if the lord of the house (in this case i'm looking at Jupiter, with Capricorn ascendant) was in the 12th house and also in it's Moolatrikona sign? > > What are the implications for the behaviour 1. of the lord (ie jupiter in this case) and 2. of the 12th house? > > Thank you. > > Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 , "ray_of_solaris" <a48919062> wrote: > > Namaskar, > You mention that in this case (which is my own, actually), jupiter may give me a good education. in fact at the moment my university education has been broken due My the idiot. I should've qualified as "good primary education". 4H significates primary edu, 6H the univ, etc. Cheers, Ramapriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Samir, Do NOT go about either learning or sharpening your skills this way, because you wouldn't be. I mean, what's it that you think you'll gain by such a Q? No chart, no mention of which are the 4 planets, what's the lagna, what's which charakaraka, .... I could post any tosh in response (as I usually do, but that's beside this point) to such a Q and you'd still be none the better for it. Plus, where the heck did you figure that 4 grahas in 5H will mean the native won't have children? Imagine 5H having Su, Me, Mo and Ve, with Ju's aspect on it + A3 or A9 favorably placed - would you still predict childlessness? Cheers, Ramapriya - ray_of_solaris Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:22 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th A separate question. I'm looking at a chart with four planets in 5H. They are all spread out fairly nicely across the house. Does this mean that they are not all really conjunct? In any case the combination has probably meant the native will not have children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramapriya, Your herebye going back under moderation – behave yourself and do not assume anything. Sumanth had adressed me and I have seen his chart several times and have it stored so I can see it. Had you followed previous discussions, Sumanth would have given his birth data several times. Dear list, I’m sorry for any inconvenience that may be caused by Ramapriya or this message. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramapriya D [hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com] 09 December 2004 14:49 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Samir, 10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Do NOT go about either learning or sharpening your skills this way, because you wouldn't be. I mean, what's it that you think you'll gain by such a Q? No chart, no mention of which are the 4 planets, what's the lagna, what's which charakaraka, ..... I could post any tosh in response (as I usually do, but that's beside this point) to such a Q and you'd still be none the better for it. 10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Plus, where the heck did you figure that 4 grahas in 5H will mean the native won't have children? Imagine 5H having Su, Me, Mo and Ve, with Ju's aspect on it + A3 or A9 favorably placed - would you still predict childlessness? 10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Cheers, 10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">Ramapriya margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- ray_of_solaris font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:22 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">A separate question. I'm looking at a chart with four planets in 5H. They are all spread out fairly nicely across the house. Does this mean that they are not all really conjunct? In any case the combination has probably meant the native will not have children. 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Visti, I thought it was Samir who'd rejoined to my reply and I picked up on a piece of it. But it's ok; you have every right to moderate, and I've often ruffled too many staid feathers in the past anyways Back to hiatus time again - this time permanently, hopefully And no, I don't hold out against you, or anyone else. Keep the smiles, Ramapriya - Visti Larsen Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:34 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ramapriya, Your herebye going back under moderation – behave yourself and do not assume anything. Sumanth had adressed me and I have seen his chart several times and have it stored so I can see it. Had you followed previous discussions, Sumanth would have given his birth data several times. Dear list, I’m sorry for any inconvenience that may be caused by Ramapriya or this message. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Ramapriya D [hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com] 09 December 2004 14:49To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th Samir, Do NOT go about either learning or sharpening your skills this way, because you wouldn't be. I mean, what's it that you think you'll gain by such a Q? No chart, no mention of which are the 4 planets, what's the lagna, what's which charakaraka, .... I could post any tosh in response (as I usually do, but that's beside this point) to such a Q and you'd still be none the better for it. Plus, where the heck did you figure that 4 grahas in 5H will mean the native won't have children? Imagine 5H having Su, Me, Mo and Ve, with Ju's aspect on it + A3 or A9 favorably placed - would you still predict childlessness? Cheers, Ramapriya - ray_of_solaris Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:22 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th A separate question. I'm looking at a chart with four planets in 5H. They are all spread out fairly nicely across the house. Does this mean that they are not all really conjunct? In any case the combination has probably meant the native will not have children. ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Ramapriyaji, My sincere apologies for the message that annoyed you. I am very much a beginner, and I now realise the mistake I made. I shall try to be more precise with my questions in future, and also try not to get in above my head. What I would like to know is what defines whether two planets are conjunct (and for the effects of conjunction to be felt)? Do they have to be within a few degrees of each other, or simply in the same sign? Regarding the chart I referred to earlier, it was Vi Ascendant, with Ju (debilitated), Ve, Su, Me in 5H. The reason i mentioned childlessness was because I know the native. But I understand that I should not make rash predictions without proper analysis. Apologies once again. Samir , "Ramapriya D" <hubli@h...> wrote: > Dear Visti, > > I thought it was Samir who'd rejoined to my reply and I picked up on a piece of it. > But it's ok; you have every right to moderate, and I've often ruffled too many staid feathers in the past anyways > Back to hiatus time again - this time permanently, hopefully > And no, I don't hold out against you, or anyone else. > > Keep the smiles, > > Ramapriya > > - > Visti Larsen > > Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:34 PM > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ramapriya, > > Your herebye going back under moderation - behave yourself and do not assume anything. > > Sumanth had adressed me and I have seen his chart several times and have it stored so I can see it. Had you followed previous discussions, Sumanth would have given his birth data several times. > > Dear list, I'm sorry for any inconvenience that may be caused by Ramapriya or this message. > > Best wishes, > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > visti@s... -- ---------- > > Ramapriya D [hubli@h...] > 09 December 2004 14:49 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th > > > > Samir, > > Do NOT go about either learning or sharpening your skills this way, because you wouldn't be. I mean, what's it that you think you'll gain by such a Q? No chart, no mention of which are the 4 planets, what's the lagna, what's which charakaraka, .... I could post any tosh in response (as I usually do, but that's beside this point) to such a Q and you'd still be none the better for it. > > Plus, where the heck did you figure that 4 grahas in 5H will mean the native won't have children? Imagine 5H having Su, Me, Mo and Ve, with Ju's aspect on it + A3 or A9 favorably placed - would you still predict childlessness? > > Cheers, > > Ramapriya > > - > > ray_of_solaris > > > > Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:22 AM > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Ownership of 12th > > > > A separate question. I'm looking at a chart with four planets in 5H. They are all spread out fairly nicely across the house. Does this mean that they are not all really conjunct? In any case the combination has probably meant the native will not have children. > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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