Atmakarka & chara karaka replacement Analysis

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Dear Visti ji

Namaskar

 

You fill us with so much of info that it may cause indigestion - let me

start applying it to the chart now.

 

AK is Mars. AK is king in a chart as it indicates -

 

i. Ishta Devata - 12th from Karakamsa (Leo) has no planet. So its lord -

Surya is Ishta Devta. Surya will take the native to the ultimate truth.

Native has to give away false ego & identity. Leo is aspected by Jup, Mer &

Sat. Saturn may make his consciousness to learn penance, Mercury may

provide learning/understanding & Jup may give Guru to make his

consciousness pure & fully aware.

ii. Spiritual abilities - AK being Mars wants the native to understand the

futility of fighting/confronting and to pursue the path of Ahimsa. Here

Nodes & Venus having rasi drishti to Karakamsa indicates pursuing

non-traditional spiritual path. Give me some clue to go forward. Should I

see Karakamsa as Lagna in D-9 & interpret the chart?

iii. Reason of re-birth - I think this matter relates to D-60 so not

attempting it. Incidentally, D-60 Lagna & AK in D-9 is in same sign -

Virgo. In D-9, Ve & Nodes aspecting AK Mars in Virgo indicates that native

had some aggression towards pure females before and has to understand

female energies.....I'm giving up!!

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There is an association between AK (Mars) & PK (Sat) in D-1 giving raj yog.

Mars is having rasi aspect on Sat (Ta). Native's wishes will be executed by

his children. But AK must favour Naisargik (NK - activities) as well as

Chara Karaka (CK - relations/persons) so that things can be accomplished

from that area of life. NK for children is Jupiter and though it is in

panapara from AK - it is aspected by AK - so we can say that native has

influence over children & they will do well for the native. However, there

is a natural enmity between Mars & Sat indicating strife.

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There is a chara karaka replacement between BK (Jupiter) & MK (Mercury).

There must be some serious permanent upheaval/change with regard to

Spiritual leanings/faith (Jup - BK) & relations with Mother (Mer-MK).

There must be some relation between spiritual learning & mother. (??)

 

As Jup is disappearing as BK & also being 8th lord - around the age of 16 -

there must be some occult/spiritual learnings or some kind of spiritual

change the native has to come across. The only thing I can see is that at

that time I was very much attracted towards Acharya Rajneesh books & his

sayings.

 

BK also denotes brothers - so brother changed from Jupiterian qualities to

vacillating & sporting Mercury. Younger brother was born in 7th month and

was very weak but later he attained normal health. He is having Gemini

lagna in D-1 (Mer).

 

As MK become vacant - strength of sthira karaka for Mother has to be

evaluated - Mars/Moon. Moon is debilitated with Jup in panapara (Sc - 4th

from lagna & 11th from AK) from AK Mars (Cp). AK has rasi drishti on Moon.

Mars himself being AK & in exaltation - so being stronger sthira karaka is

MARS. 4th lord from Lagna is Mars too. Hence mother is alive. But as MK-Mer

is replaced by Mars, she changed to a fighter/confronting kind of

personality. Native also developed aggressiveness in matters of

administrating himself.

 

Can I say that due to Jup(BK) with Moon & aspect from AK in D-1 - there

must be strong influence from traditional learnings/practices introduced

from Mother's side (Moon). But later in his life Mother has more influence

over native - MK taking over as BK.

 

Can I say that spiritual plane has changed from jupiterian traditional

learning/practices to mercurial exploration & accounting/commerce?????

 

Still unclear when replacement effects take place? Is it on natural age?

Sanjay ji's doc does not mention this.

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Now AK Mars is supportive to Jup (BK & naisargik karaka for 9th

house-Dharma/Spirituality) but it is naturally inimical to Mer (replaced BK

& old MK). Can I say that replaced Mer -BK does not go well with AK and so

spiritual learning will become weak?

 

I tried to keep it short but failed. May be this will be easy once I have

clarity of thoughts & good insight. Hope you will bear with me.

 

with regards

 

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Tushankur

 

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Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

Comments to your looong analysis below.

Best wishes,

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Atmakarka & chara karaka replacement Analysis

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10.0pt">Dear Visti ji

Namaskar

You fill us with so much of info that it may cause

indigestion - let me

start applying it to the chart now.

AK is Mars. AK is king in a chart as it

indicates -

i. Ishta Devata - 12th from Karakamsa (Leo) has no

planet. So its lord -

Surya is Ishta Devta. Surya will take the native

to the ultimate truth.

Native has to give away false ego & identity.

Leo is aspected by Jup, Mer &

Sat. Saturn may make his consciousness to learn

penance, Mercury may

provide learning/understanding & Jup may give

Guru to make his

consciousness pure & fully aware.

[Visti] Saturn causes

sorrow and teaches patience, otherwise your analysis is accurate.

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ii. Spiritual abilities - AK being Mars wants the

native to understand the

futility of fighting/confronting and to pursue the

path of Ahimsa. Here

Nodes & Venus having rasi drishti to Karakamsa

indicates pursuing

non-traditional spiritual path. Give me some clue

to go forward. Should I

see Karakamsa as Lagna in D-9 & interpret the

chart?

 

[Visti] the aspects of

planets on the karakamsa will not show the path one takes in spirituality –

this should be seen from the d-20. The trines to karakamsa shows the spiritual

abilities. Rest is correct – yes we are supposed to treat karakamsa as

lagna and then analyze, but how to do this requires some explaining.

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iii. Reason of re-birth - I think this matter

relates to D-60 so not

attempting it. Incidentally, D-60 Lagna & AK

in D-9 is in same sign -

Virgo. In D-9, Ve & Nodes aspecting AK Mars in

Virgo indicates that native

had some aggression towards pure females before

and has to understand

female energies.....I'm giving up!!

 

[Visti] If you don’t

know – then don’t start. Ascertain which planets are suffering from

curses in the d-1 first, and which planets are causing the curse. These planets

are the ones which one must focus on in the d-9 and d-60. Besides seeing the

reason for curses, the 7th house from karakamsa shows the desire

which caused rebirth (maybe continuously for many lifetimes) and the sign and

planets therein should be analyzed – i.e. Sun in the 7th from karakamsa

indicates a desire for power and position.

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There is an association between AK (Mars) & PK

(Sat) in D-1 giving raj yog.

Mars is having rasi aspect on Sat (Ta). Native's

wishes will be executed by

his children. But AK must favour Naisargik (NK -

activities) as well as

Chara Karaka (CK - relations/persons) so that

things can be accomplished

from that area of life. NK for children is

Jupiter and though it is in

panapara from AK - it is aspected by AK - so we

can say that native has

influence over children & they will do well

for the native. However, there

is a natural enmity between Mars & Sat

indicating strife.

[Visti] Let this

aspect rest for some time – I only began to understand the deeper use of

natural relationships 1 year ago. You are way ahead of yourself. The Yoga

between AK and PK means that one will have many supporters and followers, hence

it is a rajya yoga.

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There is a chara karaka replacement between BK

(Jupiter) & MK (Mercury).

There must be some serious permanent

upheaval/change with regard to

Spiritual leanings/faith (Jup - BK) &

relations with Mother (Mer-MK).

There must be some relation between spiritual

learning & mother. (??)

[Visti] The last

statement is not acceptable – if Matri karaka was connected to some yoga

for spiritual learning, then you may say that, but not because of the Chara karaka

replacement. BK shows ones entire philosophy and understanding of the universe

which is being replaced by the philosophy or the tradition of the family–

its also detrimental towards mother because now the

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mother alive. It ALSO shows that the native may move away from the former

teachings of a Guru.

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As Jup is disappearing as BK & also being 8th

lord - around the age of 16 -

there must be some occult/spiritual learnings or

some kind of spiritual

change the native has to come across. The only

thing I can see is that at

that time I was very much attracted towards

Acharya Rajneesh books & his

sayings.

[Visti] 16 or 32.

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BK also denotes brothers - so brother changed from

Jupiterian qualities to

vacillating & sporting Mercury. Younger

brother was born in 7th month and

was very weak but later he attained normal health.

He is having Gemini

lagna in D-1 (Mer).

[Visti] Premature

birth is caused by Moon being weak, as well as lagna lord, whilst Venus is in

the 8th house or in a kendra – and in 1st/7th

in navamsa – check this in his chart. For more you can read my article on

“circumstances at birth”, which I presented at the East Coast 2003,

I will also be publishing some more in this regard in the future.

The Chara karaka

replacement is not the reason for his lagna being Gemini. Keep in mind that

these are soul-level changes, and if the NEW

BK (former MK) is differently placed from the AK then a change in ideals with

regards to siblings comes. Now in your chart, the Ätmakäraka is in Capricorn,

whilst the BK-Jupiter is in Scorpio in the 11th from it – this

causes a somewhat indifferent attitude towards siblings. Now after the Chara karaka

replacement, the NEW BK becomes

Mercury who is in Kendra to AK, giving a close relationship and stronger

attachment to siblings. You would find you and your brother becoming closer due

to this.

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As MK become vacant - strength of sthira karaka

for Mother has to be

evaluated - Mars/Moon. Moon is debilitated with

Jup in panapara (Sc - 4th

from lagna & 11th from AK) from AK Mars (Cp).

AK has rasi drishti on Moon.

Mars himself being AK & in exaltation - so

being stronger sthira karaka is

MARS. 4th lord from Lagna is Mars too. Hence

mother is alive. But as MK-Mer

is replaced by Mars, she changed to a

fighter/confronting kind of

personality. Native also developed aggressiveness

in matters of

administrating himself.

[Visti] Good analysis –

however until recently I was under the impression that it was the naisargika

karakas we used, but I have seen Guruji use sthira karakas, which I can

understand as well – I will try to get a more affirmative answer in the

future.

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Can I say that due to Jup(BK) with Moon &

aspect from AK in D-1 - there

must be strong influence from traditional

learnings/practices introduced

from Mother's side (Moon). But later in his life

Mother has more influence

over native - MK taking over as BK.

[Visti] The reasoning

for that has been given above.

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Can I say that spiritual plane has changed from

jupiterian traditional

learning/practices to mercurial exploration &

accounting/commerce?????

[Visti] The BK shows

ones understanding of the universe. Yes there has been a change.

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Still unclear when replacement effects take place?

Is it on natural age?

Sanjay ji's doc does not mention this.

[Visti] Yes natural

ages, as they show when the planet will mature, but we can fine-tune with the

karaka kendradi dasa. Also keep in mind that it does not happen instantly, it

takes a period of time, usually indicated by the age difference of the two Chara

karakas in the replacement.

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Now AK Mars is supportive to Jup (BK &

naisargik karaka for 9th

house-Dharma/Spirituality) but it is naturally

inimical to Mer (replaced BK

& old MK). Can I say that replaced Mer -BK

does not go well with AK and so

spiritual learning will become weak?

[Visti] On the atma

level we cannot say this.

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I tried to keep it short but failed. May be this

will be easy once I have

clarity of thoughts & good insight. Hope you

will bear with me.

italic">[Visti] J

with regards

(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Tushankur

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