Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Dear Visti Namaste I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear light of thoughts? But we read in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son before marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say that Surya is Satya? Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed a dharmic and truthful way of life." Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it please explain. Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards Rahu, as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material life!" Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which is more correct? Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prabodh, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">amolmandar [amolmandar ] 17 December 2004 08:14 [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti Namaste I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear light of thoughts? But we read in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son before marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say that Surya is Satya? [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan Verma state that Jupiter is “Devagya”, when we read in the Puranas that Brihaspati was said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this “Devagya” or is the basis of treating the planets like this wrong? font-family:"Courier New""> Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed a dharmic and truthful way of life." Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it please explain. [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal coils, its said that Sri Ravana’s worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri Vishnu had to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our understanding obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? font-family:"Courier New""> Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards Rahu, as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material life!" Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which is more correct? [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have Naisargika Sambandha in mind when asking this question. In the Dig Chakra Rähu and Jupiter rules opposite directions, hence they will not support each others path. font-family:"Courier New""> Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Dear Visti Namaste Possibly I was not able to express myself properly. The Guru or Brihaspati is designated Guru of devatas. Now designated Guru performing any misdeed is a different aspect. But the fact remains that Brihaspati is designated Guru it can not be changed by any misconduct on Gurus part. Where as Surya is infered Satya and calling him Satya is not a designation for him. We have to infer it by analyzing the attributes asociated with it this is what I feel. Moreover Mantreshwar says that Surya is karka of rogue, untruth and gambling which is just opposite to Satya that is why I raised the doubt. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > 17 December 2004 08:14 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. > While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to > clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. > > Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear > light of thoughts? But we read > > in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son before > marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl > should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say that > Surya is Satya? > > > > [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan Verma state > that Jupiter is "Devagya", when we read in the Puranas that Brihaspati was > said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this "Devagya" or is the basis of > treating the planets like this wrong? > > > Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek > spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed a > dharmic and truthful way of life." > > Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious > like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it > please explain. > > > > [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal coils, its > said that Sri Ravana's worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri Vishnu had > to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our understanding > obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? > > > Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards Rahu, > as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material life!" > Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which is > more correct? > > > > [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have Naisargika > Sambandha in mind when asking this question. In the Dig Chakra Rähu and > Jupiter rules opposite directions, hence they will not support each others > path. > > > Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qfhuki/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103354053/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http :/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2128215/rand=278212408> > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prabodh, Namaskar Be careful when qouting from Phala Deepika, Mantresvara is not easy to understand. Did you know that somewhere in those slokas the calculation for the Jagannath Drekkana is given? Very difficult shastra. Better to stick to BPHS, MJUS, Saravali and Jataka Parijata, which are in line with the parampara. Also Brihat Jataka is good, but problem is that it is a compilation of many oppinions, and hence cannot be considered as parampara – which would have one clear direction… So those reading Brhat Jataka should read Saravali along with it for clarification. This way there is always an upadesa for the major works. For BPHS there is MJUS. I in turn also consider Jataka Tattva as an excellent addendum to understanding MJUS. For Sarvartha Chintamani there is Jataka Parijata. For Brhat Jataka, there is Saravali. Now the reason we consider the Sun as Satya is because he is atmakaraka. In laymen terms this means, self-realization is truth. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">amolmandar [amolmandar ] 18 December 2004 08:07 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti Namaste Possibly I was not able to express myself properly. The Guru or Brihaspati is designated Guru of devatas. Now designated Guru performing any misdeed is a different aspect. But the fact remains that Brihaspati is designated Guru it can not be changed by any misconduct on Gurus part. Where as Surya is infered Satya and calling him Satya is not a designation for him. We have to infer it by analyzing the attributes asociated with it this is what I feel. Moreover Mantreshwar says that Surya is karka of rogue, untruth and gambling which is just opposite to Satya that is why I raised the doubt. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > 17 December 2004 08:14 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. > While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to > clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. > > Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear > light of thoughts? But we read > > in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son before > marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl > should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say that > Surya is Satya? > > > > [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan Verma state > that Jupiter is "Devagya", when we read in the Puranas that Brihaspati was > said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this "Devagya" or is the basis of > treating the planets like this wrong? > > > Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek > spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed a > dharmic and truthful way of life." > > Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious > like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it > please explain. > > > > [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal coils, its > said that Sri Ravana's worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri Vishnu had > to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our understanding > obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? > > > Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards Rahu, > as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material life!" > Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which is > more correct? > > > > [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have Naisargika > Sambandha in mind when asking this question. In the Dig Chakra Rähu and > Jupiter rules opposite directions, hence they will not support each others > path. > > > Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qfhuki/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 76/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103354053/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http :/compa > nion.> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Dear Visti Namaste I did not know that in 5th Adhyaya 2nd shloka of Phaladipika calculation for Jagannath Drekna is as well given. It will be interesting to know. Will you please explain it? Sun as Atmakarak is Satya is ok but does Atmakarak means Atmagyankarak as well. Because self realization is not Atma rather it is Atmagyan. Or again I am missing something? Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > Be careful when qouting from Phala Deepika, Mantresvara is not easy to > understand. Did you know that somewhere in those slokas the calculation for > the Jagannath Drekkana is given? Very difficult shastra. Better to stick to > BPHS, MJUS, Saravali and Jataka Parijata, which are in line with the > parampara. Also Brihat Jataka is good, but problem is that it is a > compilation of many oppinions, and hence cannot be considered as parampara – > which would have one clear direction… So those reading Brhat Jataka should > read Saravali along with it for clarification. This way there is always an > upadesa for the major works. > > For BPHS there is MJUS. I in turn also consider Jataka Tattva as an > excellent addendum to understanding MJUS. > > For Sarvartha Chintamani there is Jataka Parijata. > > For Brhat Jataka, there is Saravali. > > > > Now the reason we consider the Sun as Satya is because he is atmakaraka. In > laymen terms this means, self-realization is truth. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > 18 December 2004 08:07 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > Possibly I was not able to express myself properly. The Guru or > Brihaspati is designated Guru of devatas. Now designated Guru > performing any misdeed is a different aspect. But the fact remains > that Brihaspati is designated Guru it can not be changed by any > misconduct on Gurus part. Where as Surya is infered Satya and > calling him Satya is not a designation for him. We have to infer it > by analyzing the attributes asociated with it this is what I feel. > Moreover Mantreshwar says that Surya is karka of rogue, untruth and > gambling which is just opposite to Satya that is why I raised the > doubt. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > > 17 December 2004 08:14 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > > > I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. > > While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to > > clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. > > > > Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear > > light of thoughts? But we read > > > > in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son > before > > marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl > > should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say > that > > Surya is Satya? > > > > > > > > [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan > Verma state > > that Jupiter is "Devagya", when we read in the Puranas that > Brihaspati was > > said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this "Devagya" or is the > basis of > > treating the planets like this wrong? > > > > > > Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek > > spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed > a > > dharmic and truthful way of life." > > > > Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious > > like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it > > please explain. > > > > > > > > [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal > coils, its > > said that Sri Ravana's worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri > Vishnu had > > to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our understanding > > obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? > > > > > > Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards > Rahu, > > as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material > life!" > > Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which > is > > more correct? > > > > > > > > [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have > Naisargika > > Sambandha in mind when asking this question. In the Dig Chakra > Rähu and > > Jupiter rules opposite directions, hence they will not support > each others > > path. > > > > > > Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qfhuki/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 > 76/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103354053/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http > :/compa > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? > M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=278212408> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http :/etool > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > · > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http :/child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope are > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 11/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http :/ad.do > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Prabodh, Namaskar Karaka means “doer” or “to do”, and the atma-karaka is the one which works on behalf of the atma. Now, all the upanishads agree that the atma is indeed trying to reach self-realization, and it is the mind of the person who is diverting the atmas attention elsewhere. This is why the Vimshottari dasa of the atmakaraka can be painful, as the mind is forced to follow the soul. So naturally the atma-karaka is the one leading to atma-gyana. As for the jagannath Drekkana – I did not say which sloka it was. Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Manyaprabodh [manyaprabodh ] 20 December 2004 12:23 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti Namaste I did not know that in 5th Adhyaya 2nd shloka of Phaladipika calculation for Jagannath Drekna is as well given. It will be interesting to know. Will you please explain it? Sun as Atmakarak is Satya is ok but does Atmakarak means Atmagyankarak as well. Because self realization is not Atma rather it is Atmagyan. Or again I am missing something? Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > Be careful when qouting from Phala Deepika, Mantresvara is not easy to > understand. Did you know that somewhere in those slokas the calculation for > the Jagannath Drekkana is given? Very difficult shastra. Better to stick to > BPHS, MJUS, Saravali and Jataka Parijata, which are in line with the > parampara. Also Brihat Jataka is good, but problem is that it is a > compilation of many oppinions, and hence cannot be considered as parampara – > which would have one clear direction… So those reading Brhat Jataka should > read Saravali along with it for clarification. This way there is always an > upadesa for the major works. > > For BPHS there is MJUS. I in turn also consider Jataka Tattva as an > excellent addendum to understanding MJUS. > > For Sarvartha Chintamani there is Jataka Parijata. > > For Brhat Jataka, there is Saravali. > > > > Now the reason we consider the Sun as Satya is because he is atmakaraka. In > laymen terms this means, self-realization is truth. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > 18 December 2004 08:07 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > Possibly I was not able to express myself properly. The Guru or > Brihaspati is designated Guru of devatas. Now designated Guru > performing any misdeed is a different aspect. But the fact remains > that Brihaspati is designated Guru it can not be changed by any > misconduct on Gurus part. Where as Surya is infered Satya and > calling him Satya is not a designation for him. We have to infer it > by analyzing the attributes asociated with it this is what I feel. > Moreover Mantreshwar says that Surya is karka of rogue, untruth and > gambling which is just opposite to Satya that is why I raised the > doubt. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > > 17 December 2004 08:14 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > > > I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. > > While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted to > > clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. > > > > Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives clear > > light of thoughts? But we read > > > > in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son > before > > marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl > > should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say > that > > Surya is Satya? > > > > > > > > [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan > Verma state > > that Jupiter is "Devagya", when we read in the Puranas that > Brihaspati was > > said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this "Devagya" or is the > basis of > > treating the planets like this wrong? > > > > > > Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek > > spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have followed > a > > dharmic and truthful way of life." > > > > Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be religious > > like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it > > please explain. > > > > > > > > [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal > coils, its > > said that Sri Ravana's worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri > Vishnu had > > to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our understanding > > obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? > > > > > > Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards > Rahu, > > as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material > life!" > > Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? Which > is > > more correct? > > > > > > > > [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have > Naisargika > > Sambandha in mind when asking this question. 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Dear Visti Namaste I thought that the Atma in body is Chaitanya, that is present every where in the nature. This Chaitanya is because of Surya only. That is why the Atmakarak or Chaitanyakarak is Surya. This Chaitanya when enters body starts believing that it is body. This realization of Chaitanya is Atma. But is realization is not Maya or Mithya. So true knowledge of self is correct realization and is called as Atmagyan. This Atmagyan may be or may not be because of Surya. Dasha of Ak may be good or bad and there can be several reasons fro this. Moroeover Karaka is maker or doer and not "to do". The "Kru" dhatu indicates to do. Enen if you did not say which shloka it was I still request you to throw some light on Jagannath Dekana from Phaladeepika. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > Karaka means "doer" or "to do", and the atma-karaka is the one which works > on behalf of the atma. Now, all the upanishads agree that the atma is indeed > trying to reach self-realization, and it is the mind of the person who is > diverting the atmas attention elsewhere. This is why the Vimshottari dasa of > the atmakaraka can be painful, as the mind is forced to follow the soul. So > naturally the atma-karaka is the one leading to atma-gyana. > > > > As for the jagannath Drekkana – I did not say which sloka it was. > > Best wishes, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > http://srigaruda.com > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > _____ > > Manyaprabodh [manyaprabodh] > 20 December 2004 12:23 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > I did not know that in 5th Adhyaya 2nd shloka of Phaladipika > calculation for Jagannath Drekna is as well given. It will be > interesting to know. Will you please explain it? > Sun as Atmakarak is Satya is ok but does Atmakarak means > Atmagyankarak as well. Because self realization is not Atma rather > it is Atmagyan. Or again I am missing something? > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > Prabodh Vekhande > Jai Jai Shankar > Har Har Shankar > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > > > Be careful when qouting from Phala Deepika, Mantresvara is not > easy to > > understand. Did you know that somewhere in those slokas the > calculation for > > the Jagannath Drekkana is given? Very difficult shastra. Better to > stick to > > BPHS, MJUS, Saravali and Jataka Parijata, which are in line with > the > > parampara. Also Brihat Jataka is good, but problem is that it is a > > compilation of many oppinions, and hence cannot be considered as > parampara – > > which would have one clear direction… So those reading Brhat > Jataka should > > read Saravali along with it for clarification. This way there is > always an > > upadesa for the major works. > > > > For BPHS there is MJUS. I in turn also consider Jataka Tattva as an > > excellent addendum to understanding MJUS. > > > > For Sarvartha Chintamani there is Jataka Parijata. > > > > For Brhat Jataka, there is Saravali. > > > > > > > > Now the reason we consider the Sun as Satya is because he is > atmakaraka. In > > laymen terms this means, self-realization is truth. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > > 18 December 2004 08:07 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > Possibly I was not able to express myself properly. The Guru or > > Brihaspati is designated Guru of devatas. Now designated Guru > > performing any misdeed is a different aspect. But the fact remains > > that Brihaspati is designated Guru it can not be changed by any > > misconduct on Gurus part. Where as Surya is infered Satya and > > calling him Satya is not a designation for him. We have to infer > it > > by analyzing the attributes asociated with it this is what I > feel. > > Moreover Mantreshwar says that Surya is karka of rogue, untruth > and > > gambling which is just opposite to Satya that is why I raised the > > doubt. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > Jai Jai Shankar > > Har Har Shankar > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Prabodh, Namaskar > > > > > > Comments below. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com > > > > > > <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > > > 17 December 2004 08:14 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Your article on The Navamsa, Visti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti Namaste > > > > > > I read your article on The Navamsa, Karma and… God at your site. > > > While reading that certain points I was not too clear so wanted > to > > > clear it.You said Surya and Jupiter are Satya and Guru. > > > > > > Why Sun as Satya? Is it because it clears the tama and gives > clear > > > light of thoughts? But we read > > > > > > in Mahabharat that the Sun was responsible Kunti's first son > > before > > > marriage. Many in this part of world believe that unmarried girl > > > should not worship Surya because of that only. Can we still say > > that > > > Surya is Satya? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] You are very learned in the shastra, so why does Kalyan > > Verma state > > > that Jupiter is "Devagya", when we read in the Puranas that > > Brihaspati was > > > said to have raped his brothers wife? Is this "Devagya" or is > the > > basis of > > > treating the planets like this wrong? > > > > > > > > > Further you said "From this we can infer that those who seek > > > spirituality in a previous life may not necessarily have > followed > > a > > > dharmic and truthful way of life." > > > > > > Can a Nidharmi and Asatya person be spiritual? He may be > religious > > > like Ravana but certainly not Spiritual. I am not sure about it > > > please explain. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] Just look at who came to liberate Ravan from his mortal > > coils, its > > > said that Sri Ravana's worship of Shiva was so intense that Sri > > Vishnu had > > > to incarnate to give him Moksha – this is beyond our > understanding > > > obviously. Otherwise why did Sri Vishnu have to kill Ravana? > > > > > > > > > Then you said "More notably Jupiter is deeply inimical towards > > Rahu, > > > as Rahu causes the diversion from spiritual life, to material > > life!" > > > Is is Rahu inimical to Jupiter or Jupiter inimical to Rahu? > Which > > is > > > more correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Visti] There are many types of Sambandha – and I think you have > > Naisargika > > > Sambandha in mind when asking this question. In the Dig Chakra > > Rähu and > > > Jupiter rules opposite directions, hence they will not support > > each others > > > path. > > > > > > > > > Thanks alot for your Time and Sapce. > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande > > > Jai Jai Shankar > > > Har Har Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129qfhuki/M=295196.4901138.6071305.30011 > > 76/D=gr > > > > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103354053/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http > > :/compa > > > nion.> click here > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? > > M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2128215/rand=278212408> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > * > > > > > > <? > > subject=Un> > > > > > > * > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > Give a Child the gift of Hope this Holiday season > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=0/SIG=128d4gjij/*http > :/etool > > s.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=1/SIG=1424c63em/*http > :/child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > · > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=2/SIG=142trf8s4/*http > :/child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > > And Give Her Hope are > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129uruuji/M=319077.5788180.6833349.21522 > 11/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103440094/A=2495193/R=3/SIG=13p5bcjfs/*http > :/ad.do > > ubleclick.net/clk;11034228;8889914;p? > http://etools.ncol.com/a/levelone/bg_ch > > ildrenint_yh-emailtext_192.html> Learn More > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? > M=319077.5788180.6833349.2152211/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2495193/rand=191612193> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.915 (20041102) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129cihc13/M=294855.5468653.6549235.30011 76/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1103631498/A=2455396/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*http :/small > business./domains/> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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