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You ask "What is the desire of saturn". I must say this is a very

general question.

I really can't tell you about the precise desire of saturn because

it basically depends on its strength according to the sign and house

it is in, the houses it owns and also its aspect with the lord of

ascendant and ascendant itself.

For example in my case, with gemini rising, lord of ascendant

(mercury) and lord of fifth (venus) are in 12th, and saturn placed

in libra - exalted, being the lord of 8th and 9th, I think the

desire of saturn in my case is education and progress in life. Since

it is placed in 5th, it also gives the desire for acquring power and

authority.

Generally, I've seen that saturn loves power and authority, fame,

study of occult sciences and sometimes mathematical sciences. If

saturn is really strong and placed in trines, then it gives a strong

desire for finding the ultimate reality. It depends on other

factors, how the person tries to search for ultimate reality. If

someone has got a good saturn with good aspect with mercury and

jupiter, the person may well be a scientific researcher - someone

like Stephen Hawking (the scientist who wrote the bestselling

book "A brief history of time"). If there's an evil aspect of saturn

with jupiter and mercury, then the person may end up at the stairs

of some monastery, church, mosque, mandar, etc.

Saturn also stands for sacrifice. If evil, then death and murder. If

debilited or fallen and aspecting the ascendant through an angle

(with the exception of 10th), then the person can be Hitler Jr.

I don't remember any other desires of saturn. For that, I'll have to

look in the bundle of reference books I've got, and I don't have any

intention to do that because its too much time-consuming. I think

that saturn, being naturally the outermost planet (according to the

old astrology, in which I truly believe), it has the potential of

controlling other planets and producing much good or evil according

to its own mood (by mood I mean its strength and aspect). I, once

read in a book that saturn is the power distributor among the

planets. I don't totally agree with that, but certainly I believe

that if someone wants power and authority, then either his sun or

saturn must be strong. Both can take a person to that level, but

saturn does it much slowly and demands much more patience and hard

work than sun. That is one of the reasons that persons with strong

saturn gain fame and fortune, but in late age because that is the

nature of saturn. No one can alter that.

I can't remember any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much

appreciate his comments but don't be vague.

Farrukh

 

Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Farrukh,

>

> I would re-phrase your comments by asking you a question. "what is

the desire of satrun"

>

> Regds

>

> Hari

> -

> farrukhnauman

> Vedic Astrology

> Friday, August 30, 2002 3:50 AM

> [Vedic Astrology] The great malefic Saturn

>

>

> People often talk about saturn as if it is the sound of their

death

> or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one of the

strongest

> planets when it comes to career advancement, fame, higher

education

> and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna) is aries,

taurus,

> gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take me a long time

to

> quote examples of famous people who had a strong saturn but I

can

> tell everyone this that as long as you've got the ascendants I

> mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles (except 4th

house)

> or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and can also gain

much

> fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem with saturn is

> that it doesn't have emotions itself and therefore, people with

a

> strong saturn are liable to have failures in love and other

> emotional matters but when it comes to career advancement and

fame,

> then you can say that even only a strong saturn is enough to

assure

> a great deal of success to you.

> I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

>

> Farrukh

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Farrukh,

 

you worte

 

Generally, I've seen that saturn loves power and authority, fame, study of

occult sciences and sometimes mathematical sciences.

 

What is the source of this statement?

 

You wrote

 

I can't remember any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much appreciate his

comments but don't be vague.

 

Nothng vague in my satement about saturn's desire. Each planet wants to give

something.... that basic intrinsic desire. If this statement looks vague to

you, the intention was only to make you think. Since it;s time consuming for

you to think and learn, i will let this discussion pass.

 

Regds

 

Hari

-

farrukhnauman

Vedic Astrology

Friday, August 30, 2002 4:24 PM

[Vedic Astrology] The desire of Saturn!

You ask "What is the desire of saturn". I must say this is a very general

question.I really can't tell you about the precise desire of saturn because it

basically depends on its strength according to the sign and house it is in, the

houses it owns and also its aspect with the lord of ascendant and ascendant

itself.For example in my case, with gemini rising, lord of ascendant(mercury)

and lord of fifth (venus) are in 12th, and saturn placed in libra - exalted,

being the lord of 8th and 9th, I think the desire of saturn in my case is

education and progress in life. Since it is placed in 5th, it also gives the

desire for acquring power and authority.Generally, I've seen that saturn loves

power and authority, fame, study of occult sciences and sometimes mathematical

sciences. If saturn is really strong and placed in trines, then it gives a

strong desire for finding the ultimate reality. It depends on other factors,

how the person tries to search for ultimate reality. If someone has got a good

saturn with good aspect with mercury and jupiter, the person may well be a

scientific researcher - someone like Stephen Hawking (the scientist who wrote

the bestselling book "A brief history of time"). If there's an evil aspect of

saturn with jupiter and mercury, then the person may end up at the stairs of

some monastery, church, mosque, mandar, etc.Saturn also stands for sacrifice.

If evil, then death and murder. If debilited or fallen and aspecting the

ascendant through an angle(with the exception of 10th), then the person can be

Hitler Jr.I don't remember any other desires of saturn. For that, I'll have to

look in the bundle of reference books I've got, and I don't have any intention

to do that because its too much time-consuming. I think that saturn, being

naturally the outermost planet (according to the old astrology, in which I

truly believe), it has the potential of controlling other planets and producing

much good or evil according to its own mood (by mood I mean its strength and

aspect). I, once read in a book that saturn is the power distributor among the

planets. I don't totally agree with that, but certainly I believe that if

someone wants power and authority, then either his sun or saturn must be

strong. Both can take a person to that level, but saturn does it much slowly

and demands much more patience and hard work than sun. That is one of the

reasons that persons with strong saturn gain fame and fortune, but in late age

because that is the nature of saturn. No one can alter that.I can't remember

any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much appreciate his comments but

don't be vague.Farrukh Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari"

<katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Farrukh,> > I would

re-phrase your comments by asking you a question. "what is the desire of

satrun"> > Regds> > Hari> - >

farrukhnauman > Vedic Astrology > Friday, August 30, 2002

3:50 AM> [Vedic Astrology] The great malefic Saturn> > > People

often talk about saturn as if it is the sound of their death > or sorrows in

general. I've found saturn to be one of the strongest > planets when it comes

to career advancement, fame, higher education > and self-discipline provided

the ascendant (lagna) is aries, taurus, > gemini, libra, capricorn or

aquarius. It'll take me a long time to > quote examples of famous people who

had a strong saturn but I can > tell everyone this that as long as you've got

the ascendants I > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles (except

4th house) > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and can also gain

much > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem with saturn is >

that it doesn't have emotions itself and therefore, people with a > strong

saturn are liable to have failures in love and other > emotional matters but

when it comes to career advancement and fame, > then you can say that even

only a strong saturn is enough to assure > a great deal of success to you.>

I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.> > FarrukhGet Free! astrological

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What do you wanna say? You want me to think about the nature of

saturn. How should I think? Please teach me.

**Each planets wants to give something**

Tell me what does saturn give that is common to all ascendants, all

aspects, all positions, all houses?

 

And by the way, why have you quoted only a small portion of my

message. I wrote different things for different strengths of saturn.

I also wrote that it gives death but you didn't quote it. huh!

Its surely time-consuming for me to discuss it with you. Because

people who are very superstitious, believe in planets as if they are

gods, like in the roman times. You seem to belong to the same

category. Maybe saturn as a god, "wants to give something".

If saturn is not considered a god, then noone can really say what it

really signifies. There are different school of thoughts. I just

wrote about some of them. Maybe saturn as a Roman God, gave death.

Maybe he gave life. Who knows? I must set a date with Saturn the

God. Please give me his email address. I would go in person to him

and ask him about this.

haha!

Please! don't be ridiculous. I just shared the knowledge I had. If I

am wrong, then correct me. Heated debates would lead nowhere. You

certainly seem to possess knowledge that I don't have but if you

make fun of my message, I can return the same favor. So, please, I

am here to increase my knowledge, not to increase the number of

enemies. I really think that I am an illiterate. Maybe I don't even

have 1% of your knowledge. So, why don't you educate me instead of

poking fun at me. Be a good teacher!

 

I hope you get it.

 

Sorry for the "Return Favor".

 

Farrukh

Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Farrukh,

>

> you worte

>

> Generally, I've seen that saturn loves power and authority, fame,

> study of occult sciences and sometimes mathematical sciences.

>

> What is the source of this statement?

>

> You wrote

>

> I can't remember any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much

> appreciate his comments but don't be vague.

>

> Nothng vague in my satement about saturn's desire. Each planet

wants to give something.... that basic intrinsic desire. If this

statement looks vague to you, the intention was only to make you

think. Since it;s time consuming for you to think and learn, i will

let this discussion pass.

>

> Regds

>

> Hari

> -

> farrukhnauman

> Vedic Astrology

> Friday, August 30, 2002 4:24 PM

> [Vedic Astrology] The desire of Saturn!

>

>

> You ask "What is the desire of saturn". I must say this is a

very

> general question.

> I really can't tell you about the precise desire of saturn

because

> it basically depends on its strength according to the sign and

house

> it is in, the houses it owns and also its aspect with the lord

of

> ascendant and ascendant itself.

> For example in my case, with gemini rising, lord of ascendant

> (mercury) and lord of fifth (venus) are in 12th, and saturn

placed

> in libra - exalted, being the lord of 8th and 9th, I think the

> desire of saturn in my case is education and progress in life.

Since

> it is placed in 5th, it also gives the desire for acquring power

and

> authority.

> Generally, I've seen that saturn loves power and authority,

fame,

> study of occult sciences and sometimes mathematical sciences. If

> saturn is really strong and placed in trines, then it gives a

strong

> desire for finding the ultimate reality. It depends on other

> factors, how the person tries to search for ultimate reality. If

> someone has got a good saturn with good aspect with mercury and

> jupiter, the person may well be a scientific researcher -

someone

> like Stephen Hawking (the scientist who wrote the bestselling

> book "A brief history of time"). If there's an evil aspect of

saturn

> with jupiter and mercury, then the person may end up at the

stairs

> of some monastery, church, mosque, mandar, etc.

> Saturn also stands for sacrifice. If evil, then death and

murder. If

> debilited or fallen and aspecting the ascendant through an angle

> (with the exception of 10th), then the person can be Hitler Jr.

> I don't remember any other desires of saturn. For that, I'll

have to

> look in the bundle of reference books I've got, and I don't have

any

> intention to do that because its too much time-consuming. I

think

> that saturn, being naturally the outermost planet (according to

the

> old astrology, in which I truly believe), it has the potential

of

> controlling other planets and producing much good or evil

according

> to its own mood (by mood I mean its strength and aspect). I,

once

> read in a book that saturn is the power distributor among the

> planets. I don't totally agree with that, but certainly I

believe

> that if someone wants power and authority, then either his sun

or

> saturn must be strong. Both can take a person to that level, but

> saturn does it much slowly and demands much more patience and

hard

> work than sun. That is one of the reasons that persons with

strong

> saturn gain fame and fortune, but in late age because that is

the

> nature of saturn. No one can alter that.

> I can't remember any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd

much

> appreciate his comments but don't be vague.

> Farrukh

>

> Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari"

<katti_narahari@h...>

> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Farrukh,

> >

> > I would re-phrase your comments by asking you a

question. "what is

> the desire of satrun"

> >

> > Regds

> >

> > Hari

> > -

> > farrukhnauman

> > Vedic Astrology

> > Friday, August 30, 2002 3:50 AM

> > [Vedic Astrology] The great malefic Saturn

> >

> >

> > People often talk about saturn as if it is the sound of

their

> death

> > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one of the

> strongest

> > planets when it comes to career advancement, fame, higher

> education

> > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna) is aries,

> taurus,

> > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take me a long

time

> to

> > quote examples of famous people who had a strong saturn but

I

> can

> > tell everyone this that as long as you've got the ascendants

I

> > mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles (except

4th

> house)

> > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and can also

gain

> much

> > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The problem with

saturn is

> > that it doesn't have emotions itself and therefore, people

with

> a

> > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love and other

> > emotional matters but when it comes to career advancement

and

> fame,

> > then you can say that even only a strong saturn is enough to

> assure

> > a great deal of success to you.

> > I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.

> >

> > Farrukh

>

>

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Farrukh,

 

My comments are below in Red

-

farrukhnauman

Vedic Astrology

Friday, August 30, 2002 7:32 PM

[Vedic Astrology] Re: The desire of Saturn!

What do you wanna say? You want me to think about the nature of saturn. How

should I think? Please teach me.**Each planets wants to give something**Tell me

what does saturn give that is common to all ascendants, all aspects, all

positions, all houses?

No matter what the Lagna is... saturn always gives graha drishti on 3rd and 10th

houses. now go ahead and think about this.

And by the way, why have you quoted only a small portion of my message. I wrote

different things for different strengths of saturn. I also wrote that it gives

death but you didn't quote it. huh!

 

For the simple reason that to cause death, you need some other planet in play.

Saturn alone never gives death at all. Again, i asked you the source of your

lengthy quotes. I still haven't got that answer.

Its surely time-consuming for me to discuss it with you. Because people who are

very superstitious, believe in planets as if they are gods, like in the roman

times. You seem to belong to the same category. Maybe saturn as a god, "wants

to give something".If saturn is not considered a god, then noone can really say

what it really signifies. There are different school of thoughts. I just wrote

about some of them. Maybe saturn as a Roman God, gave death. Maybe he gave

life. Who knows? I must set a date with Saturn the God. Please give me his

email address. I would go in person to him and ask him about this.haha!

 

Date with saturn indeed!. This goes by the name of sade sathi. Even lord Shiva

wasn't spared by Saturn's gaze. Every planet has a desire. This is clear from

Sage prashara. Esp. when he clearly differentiated between Graha and Rasi

Dristi. As far as your reply about a planet being a god goes... all i will say

is as a student in jyotish, all i want to see is narayana in every horoscope.

This is what my guru teaches.

Please! don't be ridiculous. I just shared the knowledge I had. If I am wrong,

then correct me. Heated debates would lead nowhere. You certainly seem to

possess knowledge that I don't have but if you make fun of my message, I can

return the same favor. So, please, I am here to increase my knowledge, not to

increase the number of enemies. I really think that I am an illiterate. Maybe I

don't even have 1% of your knowledge. So, why don't you educate me instead of

poking fun at me. Be a good teacher!

 

I am not a teacher. I am just a student. There is nothing i said that would be

constructed as a heated debate. You asked a question, i replied with a question

that has the answer. Even a good teacher will make a person think. Are u

thinking?. And no i have no greater knowledge. There are many people in this

group who are much more learned. If my return questions make you think as

though i am poking fun? well.... neither my intention has been to make fun in

this group (please do search for my past posts in this list), nor do i have

time to about wasting my time making fun at people like you. I hope you get

it.Sorry for the "Return Favor".

 

No apologies needed. But i would ask a few more pointed questions that indulging

in thesis and un-substantiated quotations. Why does mars specially aspect 4th

and 8th houses. why does Jupiter aspect 5th and 9th only? what about Rahu? why

is rahu;s aspect similar to that of Jupiter but only in the reverse? (in desire

and not as in direction)

I wasn't planning to reply to you... but words like ridiculous, be a good

teacher, returning in the same favor made me send out this mail. All the best

in knowing the desire of satrun!

Farrukh

 

HariVedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:>

Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Farrukh,> > you worte> > Generally, I've seen that

saturn loves power and authority, fame, > study of occult sciences and

sometimes mathematical sciences. > > What is the source of this statement?> >

You wrote> > I can't remember any more. If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much

> appreciate his comments but don't be vague.> > Nothng vague in my satement

about saturn's desire. Each planet wants to give something.... that basic

intrinsic desire. If this statement looks vague to you, the intention was only

to make you think. Since it;s time consuming for you to think and learn, i will

let this discussion pass.> > Regds> > Hari> - >

farrukhnauman > Vedic Astrology > Friday, August 30,

2002 4:24 PM> [Vedic Astrology] The desire of Saturn!> > > You ask

"What is the desire of saturn". I must say this is a very > general

question.> I really can't tell you about the precise desire of saturn because

> it basically depends on its strength according to the sign and house > it

is in, the houses it owns and also its aspect with the lord of > ascendant

and ascendant itself.> For example in my case, with gemini rising, lord of

ascendant> (mercury) and lord of fifth (venus) are in 12th, and saturn placed

> in libra - exalted, being the lord of 8th and 9th, I think the > desire of

saturn in my case is education and progress in life. Since > it is placed in

5th, it also gives the desire for acquring power and > authority.>

Generally, I've seen that saturn loves power and authority, fame, > study of

occult sciences and sometimes mathematical sciences. If > saturn is really

strong and placed in trines, then it gives a strong > desire for finding the

ultimate reality. It depends on other > factors, how the person tries to

search for ultimate reality. If > someone has got a good saturn with good

aspect with mercury and > jupiter, the person may well be a scientific

researcher - someone > like Stephen Hawking (the scientist who wrote the

bestselling > book "A brief history of time"). If there's an evil aspect of

saturn > with jupiter and mercury, then the person may end up at the stairs >

of some monastery, church, mosque, mandar, etc.> Saturn also stands for

sacrifice. If evil, then death and murder. If > debilited or fallen and

aspecting the ascendant through an angle> (with the exception of 10th), then

the person can be Hitler Jr.> I don't remember any other desires of saturn.

For that, I'll have to > look in the bundle of reference books I've got, and

I don't have any > intention to do that because its too much time-consuming.

I think > that saturn, being naturally the outermost planet (according to the

> old astrology, in which I truly believe), it has the potential of >

controlling other planets and producing much good or evil according > to its

own mood (by mood I mean its strength and aspect). I, once > read in a book

that saturn is the power distributor among the > planets. I don't totally

agree with that, but certainly I believe > that if someone wants power and

authority, then either his sun or > saturn must be strong. Both can take a

person to that level, but > saturn does it much slowly and demands much more

patience and hard > work than sun. That is one of the reasons that persons

with strong > saturn gain fame and fortune, but in late age because that is

the > nature of saturn. No one can alter that.> I can't remember any more.

If someone thinks I am wrong, I'd much > appreciate his comments but don't be

vague.> Farrukh > > Vedic Astrology, "Katti Narahari"

<katti_narahari@h...> > wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Farrukh,>

> > > I would re-phrase your comments by asking you a question. "what is >

the desire of satrun"> > > > Regds> > > > Hari> > ----- Original

Message ----- > > farrukhnauman > > Vedic Astrology > >

Friday, August 30, 2002 3:50 AM> > [Vedic Astrology] The

great malefic Saturn> > > > > > People often talk about saturn as if it

is the sound of their > death > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn

to be one of the > strongest > > planets when it comes to career

advancement, fame, higher > education > > and self-discipline provided

the ascendant (lagna) is aries, > taurus, > > gemini, libra, capricorn or

aquarius. It'll take me a long time > to > > quote examples of famous

people who had a strong saturn but I > can > > tell everyone this that as

long as you've got the ascendants I > > mentioned before and your saturn is

in the angles (except 4th > house) > > or trines, you'll definitely rise

very high and can also gain > much > > fame. Don't be afraid of this

planet. The problem with saturn is > > that it doesn't have emotions itself

and therefore, people with > a > > strong saturn are liable to have

failures in love and other > > emotional matters but when it comes to

career advancement and > fame, > > then you can say that even only a

strong saturn is enough to > assure > > a great deal of success to you.>

> I'd definitely like to hear comments on this.> > > > Farrukh> > >

Sponsor > > > >

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