Terry Schiavo

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika and All,

 

 

>>And Terri has died. Moon transiting third house, Gandanta

>>position.

May God bless her soul, she is finally free.<<

 

As I had previously said:

>>Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.<<

 

Why did I say this?

Apart from this being a transition from a watery sign to a fire

sign, Moon in this chart is a maraka planet (has death inflicting

qualities)...this is an important attribute of Moon at this time

when the karma is pointing to the possible death of the native.

Entering 12th house at this time Moon is fructifying the karma of

both bhukti lord/12th lord Jupiter who occupies 3rd house (cause of

death) and dasa lord Mercury who, occupying 12th (loss of life), is

transiting 3rd house (cause of death) along with 8th lord Sun, Venus

and Rahu (who, if the time is right, is sookshmantar lord).

 

If we go back to March 18 when the feeding tube was removed (denying

the intake of food). Transiting Moon and 2nd lord Saturn were

conjunct in 6th house of enemies...enemies, as we know, being anyone

who has the power to cause harm to the native. Again, if the time is

correct, Moon was sookshmantar lord.

 

Not surprising, with Moon owning 7th house (and occupying 6th along

with Rahu) that the husband initiated this action.

 

More to speak of but I'll leave it here for now...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Due to a (minor) family crisis I had to cut my retreat

short...none-the-less it was a wonderful (renewing) break from

normal activity. Like everyone, I'm sure, I was saddened to see the

Terry Schiavo story on the news and was led to do a search for her

birth data...no T.O.B. available as far as I can see however I've

cast a tentative chart for;

 

Dec 3 1963 (11.46am)

Boyertown, PA

USA

 

This gives Capricorn rising (29°59'12") in constellation of Mars.

Lagnesh Sani also sits in Mars nakshatra who, along with ME, VE and

KE, occupies 12th house of confinement (hospital etc). This (12th)

house of loss signifies all that can be lost, including loss of

identification, loss of consciousness etc.. Sun's dispositor, Moon's

dispositor and 10th/5th lord all occupy this house, indicating loss

of status, loss of mental faculties and so forth.

 

According to the information at hand Terry suffered a cardiac arrest

which led to brain damage (due to lack of oxygen) on Feb 25 1990.

Her dasa at the time was SA, RA, MO. Saturn conjunct Mars, was

transiting 12th house...this Mars is a strong indicator for heart

being lord of 4th and dispositor of Sun etc..

Rahu, along with Mercury and Venus, was transiting lagna whilst

Moon, conjunct Sun was transiting 2nd.

 

....haven't time right now for anything more than basic observations

but (hopefully) you all might like to try your hand at rectifying

this chart whilst I get a little sleep...back to my bad habit of

staying up late now that I'm home :-(

 

But quickly whilst I'm here, a little information regarding dasa at

time of marriage: Married Nov 10 1984 during dasa of Saturn and

Bhukti of 7th lord Moon...haven't looked at transits for that date

(as yet).

 

Hope to have some input on this unusual chart...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

Opportunities to study such out-of-the-ordinary charts don't come

along all that often. One such chart we saw recently with the death

of the Christian visionary Lucia dos Santos and now this chart of a

dear soul who has spent the last 15 yrs in a vegetative state.

Unfortunately I don't have sufficient (event) dates to verify this

(or any) lagna but, based on the two events I do have i.e. marriage

and event leading to brain damage, this chart does appear to be

correct.

 

I mentioned previously the role of Mars in regards to the major

heart attack that precipitated the severe brain damage and, as I'm

sure you know, Sun (disposited by Mars in 12th) is the significator

for head/brain as well as the physical heart.

 

One might question why, with lagna and lagna lord both in

constellation of Mars, this event happened when it did rather than

during her earlier years...1st house/start of life.. I think the

answer is fairly clear when we consider that the event took place

during (or close to) Mars year of maturity (27-28). She is now 41

and pratyantar lord Rahu transits 3rd house (cause of death) as he

too approaches maturity.

 

Consider Rahu's conjunction with 7th lord Moon and the intervention

due to litigation, lawyers. judges etc.. Moon occupies nakshatra of

Jupiter (lawyers, judges, justice? etc)...could justice be

ill-served with transiting Jupiter conjunct Ketu?

 

Consider the transit of RA, ME, VE, SU over natal Jupiter in light

of the publicity, political involvement etc connected to her "cause

of death".

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_______________________

 

Like everyone, I'm sure, I was saddened to see the

Terry Schiavo story on the news and was led to do a search for her

birth data...no T.O.B. available as far as I can see however I've

cast a tentative chart for;

 

Dec 3 1963 (11.46am)

Boyertown, PA

USA

 

This gives Capricorn rising (29°59'12") in constellation of Mars.

Lagnesh Sani also sits in nakshatra of Mars who, along with ME, VE

and

KE, occupies 12th house of confinement (hospital etc). This (12th)

house of loss signifies all that can be lost, including loss of

identification, loss of consciousness etc.. Sun's dispositor, Moon's

dispositor and 10th/5th lord all occupy this house, indicating loss

of status, loss of mental faculties and so forth.

 

According to the information at hand Terry suffered a cardiac arrest

which led to brain damage (due to lack of oxygen) on Feb 25 1990.

Her dasa at the time was SA, RA, MO. Saturn conjunct Mars, was

transiting 12th house...this Mars is a strong indicator for heart

being lord of 4th and dispositor of Sun etc..

Rahu, along with Mercury and Venus, was transiting lagna whilst

Moon, conjunct Sun was transiting 2nd.

 

....haven't time right now for anything more than basic observations

but (hopefully) you all might like to try your hand at rectifying

this chart whilst I get a little sleep...back to my bad habit of

staying up late now that I'm home :-(

 

But quickly whilst I'm here, a little information regarding dasa at

time of marriage: Married Nov 10 1984 during dasa of Saturn and

Bhukti of 7th lord Moon...haven't looked at transits for that date

(as yet).

 

Hope to have some input on this unusual chart...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

 

Nice to have you back Wendy! I hope you are rested and full of vim and vigor

following your break and retreat - Also that the minor crisis wasn't too serious

for any of your loved ones and has resolved itself.

 

I have lots of interest in studying right now but little time still as we

prepare to sell our home and finish many of the projects here. I am up tonight

in the middle of the night here with good sleep recently and all my interest

drawing me to Jyotish instead of taking me to sleep and sweet dreams... All here

can relate I'm sure ;-)

 

I want to look more at the chart you've shared with this time for Terry Schiavo

and all your thoughts on this. Briefly, when using Lahiri ayanamsa, as you've

said, it gives the Capricorn lagna. Interestingly, also this day gives the Sun

in Mrityu Bhanga degree. With this Capricorn lagna, Sun is 8H lord. Your

thoughts on Mars are very interesting and with respect to the timing with Mars

reaching maturity. And as you know with this lagna, Mars is also badhakesh

owning 11H and with this Sun there. And interestingly Sun in Mercury's star with

Mercury in gandanta conjoined with this Mars and Venus in Ketu's star, Moola,

which can be a very difficult nakshatra. These all conjoined with Ketu itself in

this nakshatra parivartana with Venus - and as you've said in the 12H.

 

This time also puts Saturn in 12H in Sun's sign in the Navamsa, and again if

using degree, this Saturn now very near, approaching by minutes, into Mrityu

Bhaga degree. This Navamsa give Sun and Saturn now in Ketu's Moola (again if one

does use this in Navamsa charts - I do like to use this) with Ketu on 1H Virgo,

with Mercury in the 8H.

 

Very interesting my dear ;-)... More soon, lots more going on in this chart...

Best wishes,

Patrice

 

_____________

Dear Group,

 

Opportunities to study such out-of-the-ordinary charts don't come

along all that often. One such chart we saw recently with the death

of the Christian visionary Lucia dos Santos and now this chart of a

dear soul who has spent the last 15 yrs in a vegetative state.

Unfortunately I don't have sufficient (event) dates to verify this

(or any) lagna but, based on the two events I do have i.e. marriage

and event leading to brain damage, this chart does appear to be

correct.

 

I mentioned previously the role of Mars in regards to the major

heart attack that precipitated the severe brain damage and, as I'm

sure you know, Sun (disposited by Mars in 12th) is the significator

for head/brain as well as the physical heart.

 

One might question why, with lagna and lagna lord both in

constellation of Mars, this event happened when it did rather than

during her earlier years...1st house/start of life.. I think the

answer is fairly clear when we consider that the event took place

during (or close to) Mars year of maturity (27-28). She is now 41

and pratyantar lord Rahu transits 3rd house (cause of death) as he

too approaches maturity.

 

Consider Rahu's conjunction with 7th lord Moon and the intervention

due to litigation, lawyers. judges etc.. Moon occupies nakshatra of

Jupiter (lawyers, judges, justice? etc)...could justice be

ill-served with transiting Jupiter conjunct Ketu?

 

Consider the transit of RA, ME, VE, SU over natal Jupiter in light

of the publicity, political involvement etc connected to her "cause

of death".

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_______________________

Dear All,

 

Due to a (minor) family crisis I had to cut my retreat

short...none-the-less it was a wonderful (renewing) break from

normal activity.

 

Like everyone, I'm sure, I was saddened to see the

Terry Schiavo story on the news and was led to do a search for her

birth data...no T.O.B. available as far as I can see however I've

cast a tentative chart for;

 

Dec 3 1963 (11.46am)

Boyertown, PA

USA

 

This gives Capricorn rising (29°59'12") in constellation of Mars.

Lagnesh Sani also sits in nakshatra of Mars who, along with ME, VE

and

KE, occupies 12th house of confinement (hospital etc). This (12th)

house of loss signifies all that can be lost, including loss of

identification, loss of consciousness etc.. Sun's dispositor, Moon's

dispositor and 10th/5th lord all occupy this house, indicating loss

of status, loss of mental faculties and so forth.

 

According to the information at hand Terry suffered a cardiac arrest

which led to brain damage (due to lack of oxygen) on Feb 25 1990.

Her dasa at the time was SA, RA, MO. Saturn conjunct Mars, was

transiting 12th house...this Mars is a strong indicator for heart

being lord of 4th and dispositor of Sun etc..

Rahu, along with Mercury and Venus, was transiting lagna whilst

Moon, conjunct Sun was transiting 2nd.

 

....haven't time right now for anything more than basic observations

but (hopefully) you all might like to try your hand at rectifying

this chart whilst I get a little sleep...back to my bad habit of

staying up late now that I'm home :-(

 

But quickly whilst I'm here, a little information regarding dasa at

time of marriage: Married Nov 10 1984 during dasa of Saturn and

Bhukti of 7th lord Moon...haven't looked at transits for that date

(as yet).

 

Hope to have some input on this unusual chart...

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

Nice to be back! and yes, that particular crisis did resolve itself.

However, as is the nature of this time, there seems to be a new

(family) crisis every other day. But all will settle down in due

time I'm sure...it usually does.

 

Thank you for the effort you've put into this chart Patrice...it

does seem (so far) that the rectification could be fairly close,

don't you think? I am quite sure (at least) that she has Capricorn

rising. Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.

 

PS: I still haven't found time to open the books on Varshaphal so my

observations in this regard are purely intuitive :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_______________________

Hi Dear Wendy and List,

 

Nice to have you back Wendy! I hope you are rested and full of vim

and vigor following your break and retreat - Also that the minor

crisis wasn't too serious for any of your loved ones and has

resolved itself.

 

I have lots of interest in studying right now but little time still

as we prepare to sell our home and finish many of the projects here.

I am up tonight in the middle of the night here with good sleep

recently and all my interest drawing me to Jyotish instead of taking

me to sleep and sweet dreams... All here can relate I'm sure ;-)

 

I want to look more at the chart you've shared with this time for

Terry Schiavo and all your thoughts on this. Briefly, when using

Lahiri ayanamsa, as you've said, it gives the Capricorn lagna.

Interestingly, also this day gives the Sun in Mrityu Bhanga degree.

With this Capricorn lagna, Sun is 8H lord. Your thoughts on Mars are

very interesting and with respect to the timing with Mars reaching

maturity. And as you know with this lagna, Mars is also badhakesh

owning 11H and with this Sun there. And interestingly Sun in

Mercury's star with Mercury in gandanta conjoined with this Mars and

Venus in Ketu's star, Moola, which can be a very difficult

nakshatra. These all conjoined with Ketu itself in this nakshatra

parivartana with Venus - and as you've said in the 12H.

 

This time also puts Saturn in 12H in Sun's sign in the Navamsa, and

again if using degree, this Saturn now very near, approaching by

minutes, into Mrityu Bhaga degree. This Navamsa give Sun and Saturn

now in Ketu's Moola (again if one does use this in Navamsa charts -

I do like to use this) with Ketu on 1H Virgo, with Mercury in the

8H.

 

Very interesting my dear ;-)... More soon, lots more going on in

this chart...

Best wishes,

Patrice

[Guest guest]

Hi Dear Wendy,

 

I am very much just learning chart rectification, but do think this is very

intriguing with this time. It's great to have your thoughts on this and

experience. Yes, I like the Capricorn lagna as well, and in this very late

degree making it in extreme sandhi, as well marana sthana for Saturn in 1H

(along with Saturn's fatal degree in 12H Navamsa Sun's house - Sun MB in Rasi).

 

Something kind of intriguing Wendy - I decided to check the book by Jain, "The

Stars and Your Future" for this degree - one quote from this degree reads:

"He should avoid law and legal tribunals, and should always fix agreements by

writing in order to prevent future disputes." Kind of interesting don't you

think, with that being the center of this case right now...

 

I also need to read the varshaphal books and check this. Very interesting with

what you've said in the varshaphal chart having Moon and Saturn conjunct in 12H.

 

It's also interesting that this came about due to her bulimia, and with Rahu

conjoined Moon, and Cancer 2H from Moon, and their joining in her 6H in this

chart. This Saturn also lord of 2H. Transiting Saturn stationed at 26 Gemini a

week ago and is still at 26 degrees - with your time, it would be nearly on top

of her 6H natal Moon at 25 Gemini.

 

This time also makes this gandanta Mercury starlord and sublord of her 2H. As as

well this Mrityu Bhaga Sun again starlord and sublord is this Mercury.

 

Venus also a significator for 'eating habits' and this nakshatra parivartana

with Ketu in her 12H and then with the gandanta Mercury, along with lagna and

Saturn starlord Mars also conjoined there. Then in Navamsa, Moon and Mars

conjoined in Taurus, Moon in an exact by degree parivartana with Venus in

Cancer.

 

Kindest wishes, I hope things settle down quickly there.

Patrice

 

________

Dear Patrice,

 

Nice to be back! and yes, that particular crisis did resolve itself.

However, as is the nature of this time, there seems to be a new

(family) crisis every other day. But all will settle down in due

time I'm sure...it usually does.

 

Thank you for the effort you've put into this chart Patrice...it

does seem (so far) that the rectification could be fairly close,

don't you think? I am quite sure (at least) that she has Capricorn

rising. Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.

 

PS: I still haven't found time to open the books on Varshaphal so my

observations in this regard are purely intuitive :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

For some reason I think that she is Virgo rising. Since the 8th house

would be Aries, significator of the head in the natural zodiac, the

current exalted transit of Mars would be very significant. Mars is

also the natural killer for Virgo ascendant. Mars currently afflicts

8th and 12th, with 7th lord Jupiter aspecting it.

 

In any case, I am most interested in knowing how her husband is so

intricately involved in her death from an astrology perspective.

 

9th lord of authority and 2nd lord of Family , Venus is also conjunct

Sun and Mercury, directly aspecting Jupiter, in a face-off of sorts.

 

Rgds,

K.

 

 

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:10:31 +0800, Wendy Vasicek

<wenvas wrote:

>

> Dear Patrice,

>

> Nice to be back! and yes, that particular crisis did resolve itself.

> However, as is the nature of this time, there seems to be a new

> (family) crisis every other day. But all will settle down in due

> time I'm sure...it usually does.

>

> Thank you for the effort you've put into this chart Patrice...it

> does seem (so far) that the rectification could be fairly close,

> don't you think? I am quite sure (at least) that she has Capricorn

> rising. Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

> Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

> a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.

>

> PS: I still haven't found time to open the books on Varshaphal so my

> observations in this regard are purely intuitive :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> _______________________

> Hi Dear Wendy and List,

>

> Nice to have you back Wendy! I hope you are rested and full of vim

> and vigor following your break and retreat - Also that the minor

> crisis wasn't too serious for any of your loved ones and has

> resolved itself.

>

> I have lots of interest in studying right now but little time still

> as we prepare to sell our home and finish many of the projects here.

> I am up tonight in the middle of the night here with good sleep

> recently and all my interest drawing me to Jyotish instead of taking

> me to sleep and sweet dreams... All here can relate I'm sure ;-)

>

> I want to look more at the chart you've shared with this time for

> Terry Schiavo and all your thoughts on this. Briefly, when using

> Lahiri ayanamsa, as you've said, it gives the Capricorn lagna.

> Interestingly, also this day gives the Sun in Mrityu Bhanga degree.

> With this Capricorn lagna, Sun is 8H lord. Your thoughts on Mars are

> very interesting and with respect to the timing with Mars reaching

> maturity. And as you know with this lagna, Mars is also badhakesh

> owning 11H and with this Sun there. And interestingly Sun in

> Mercury's star with Mercury in gandanta conjoined with this Mars and

> Venus in Ketu's star, Moola, which can be a very difficult

> nakshatra. These all conjoined with Ketu itself in this nakshatra

> parivartana with Venus - and as you've said in the 12H.

>

> This time also puts Saturn in 12H in Sun's sign in the Navamsa, and

> again if using degree, this Saturn now very near, approaching by

> minutes, into Mrityu Bhaga degree. This Navamsa give Sun and Saturn

> now in Ketu's Moola (again if one does use this in Navamsa charts -

> I do like to use this) with Ketu on 1H Virgo, with Mercury in the

> 8H.

>

> Very interesting my dear ;-)... More soon, lots more going on in

> this chart...

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

My previous note hasn't posted yet but as an addition to it I wanted to mention

that if we take the time back to 11:45 and use the ayanamsa I usually use, KP

ayanamsa, this puts her in Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn/Venus and the progressed Moon

just entering around 26:42 + which begins gandanta in Mercury's star Ashlesha -

in Moon's sign and transiting Saturn exactly 12H from this in her 6H just 1

degree beyond her natal Moon in Mercury's sign. Transiting RMercury just exactly

on her natal RJupiter Monday.

 

Transiting Sun and transiting Venus will cross over this same natal RJupiter

today EXACTLY conjoined Sun and Venus (while conjoined closely with transiting

RMercury and Rahu.) All receiving again transiting RJupiter's aspect from her

9H, AND exactly approaching less than 1 degree her 9H cusp. (Transiting Saturn

is also Jupiter's star, same as her natal Moon.)

 

Best wishes,

Patrice

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm sending this again, please pardon it appearing twice. I want to see if it

will post more quickly this time as the one following posted this original post.

 

Hi Dear Wendy,

 

I am very much just learning chart rectification, but do think this is very

intriguing with this time. It's great to have your thoughts on this and

experience. Yes, I like the Capricorn lagna as well, and in this very late

degree making it in extreme sandhi, as well marana sthana for Saturn in 1H

(along with Saturn's fatal degree in 12H Navamsa Sun's house - Sun MB in Rasi).

 

Something kind of intriguing Wendy - I decided to check the book by Jain, "The

Stars and Your Future" for this degree - one quote from this degree reads:

"He should avoid law and legal tribunals, and should always fix agreements by

writing in order to prevent future disputes." Kind of interesting don't you

think, with that being the center of this case right now...

 

I also need to read the varshaphal books and check this. Very interesting with

what you've said in the varshaphal chart having Moon and Saturn conjunct in 12H.

 

It's also interesting that this came about due to her bulimia, and with Rahu

conjoined Moon, and Cancer 2H from Moon, and their joining in her 6H in this

chart. This Saturn also lord of 2H. Transiting Saturn stationed at 26 Gemini a

week ago and is still at 26 degrees - with your time, it would be nearly on top

of her 6H natal Moon at 25 Gemini.

 

This time also makes this gandanta Mercury starlord and sublord of her 2H. As as

well this Mrityu Bhaga Sun again starlord and sublord is this Mercury.

 

Venus also a significator for 'eating habits' and this nakshatra parivartana

with Ketu in her 12H and then with the gandanta Mercury, along with lagna and

Saturn starlord Mars also conjoined there. Then in Navamsa, Moon and Mars

conjoined in Taurus, Moon in an exact by degree parivartana with Venus in

Cancer.

 

Kindest wishes, I hope things settle down quickly there.

Patrice

 

________

Dear Patrice,

 

Nice to be back! and yes, that particular crisis did resolve itself.

However, as is the nature of this time, there seems to be a new

(family) crisis every other day. But all will settle down in due

time I'm sure...it usually does.

 

Thank you for the effort you've put into this chart Patrice...it

does seem (so far) that the rectification could be fairly close,

don't you think? I am quite sure (at least) that she has Capricorn

rising. Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.

 

PS: I still haven't found time to open the books on Varshaphal so my

observations in this regard are purely intuitive :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy and Kundalika and List,

 

Interestingly my book here shows: 'cerebral hemispheres of the brain, in general

- Capricorn'

 

Kindest wishes,

Patrice

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

>>My previous note hasn't posted yet but as an addition to it I

>>wanted to mention that if we take the time back to 11:45 and use

>>the ayanamsa I usually use, KP ayanamsa, this puts her in

>>Mercury/Jupiter/Saturn/Venus and the progressed Moon just entering

>>around 26:42 + which begins gandanta in Mercury's star Ashlesha -

>>in Moon's sign and transiting Saturn exactly 12H from this in her

>>6H just 1 degree beyond her natal Moon in Mercury's sign.

>>Transiting RMercury just exactly on her natal RJupiter Monday.<<

 

I had looked at 11.45 and decided to change it to 11.46 due to the

dasa at time of marriage (Nov 10 1984). With 11.45 the dasa was

SA-SU-VE-KE. Moving it to 11.46 the dasa was SA-MO-MO-MO. You might

like to give your opinion on the transits for that date.. My quick

observations (for 11.46) are:-

 

1)Dasa lord Saturn, in sign of Venus, was conjunct 8th lord Sun in

10th. I've said many times that 10th house is significant at time of

marriage (for female) as it's, generally, a complete change of

status for her...Miss to Mrs. (change of name etc).

 

2) Bhukti/PD lord Moon was conjunct Rahu in 5th (in sign of Venus).

 

>>It's also interesting that this came about due to her bulimia, and

>>with Rahu conjoined Moon, and Cancer 2H from Moon, and their

>>joining in her 6H in this chart. This Saturn also lord of 2H.

>>Transiting Saturn stationed at 26 Gemini a week ago and is still

>>at 26 degrees - with your time, it would be nearly on top of her

>>6H natal Moon at 25 Gemini.<<

 

Yes, I saw a mention of the bulimia in an article I read a short

while ago and I agree this is verified in the Capricorn chart. That

she suffered bulimia rather than anorexia is understandable with the

conjunction of MO/RA in 6th house of appetite...Rahu is a compulsive

planet. And, as you've observed, with 6th lord in 12th whilst Saturn

owns 2nd, we can perhaps understand her need/determination to purge

herself.

 

I look forward to more input on this chart over the coming

days...the more input, the more we learn :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika,

 

Many thanks for your input...give me a little time to go over the

Virgo lagna chart and I'll get back. In the meantime, if you have

time to spare, it would be good to have your opinion on the

dasas/transits for the dates of marriage and her collapse etc.

(according to Virgo chart)...also the extended time in confinement

and so on.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________

Dear All,

 

For some reason I think that she is Virgo rising. Since the 8th

house

would be Aries, significator of the head in the natural zodiac, the

current exalted transit of Mars would be very significant. Mars is

also the natural killer for Virgo ascendant. Mars currently afflicts

8th and 12th, with 7th lord Jupiter aspecting it.

 

In any case, I am most interested in knowing how her husband is so

intricately involved in her death from an astrology perspective.

 

9th lord of authority and 2nd lord of Family , Venus is also

conjunct

Sun and Mercury, directly aspecting Jupiter, in a face-off of

sorts.

 

Rgds,

K.

[Guest guest]

dear k

 

her husband is portrayed as a devil by media but truth is

 

he has spent years caring for terry spents considerable time in partnership

with terry's mother in care of her

 

I don't have the horoscope by when v benefic and v melific planet for any

ascendent are in close conjunction

 

this can be expected of course involment of rahu is equally important

 

kind regs jiger shah

-

Kundalika Shastri<kundalika

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:44 AM

Re: Terry Schiavo

 

 

Dear All,

 

For some reason I think that she is Virgo rising. Since the 8th house

would be Aries, significator of the head in the natural zodiac, the

current exalted transit of Mars would be very significant. Mars is

also the natural killer for Virgo ascendant. Mars currently afflicts

8th and 12th, with 7th lord Jupiter aspecting it.

 

In any case, I am most interested in knowing how her husband is so

intricately involved in her death from an astrology perspective.

 

9th lord of authority and 2nd lord of Family , Venus is also conjunct

Sun and Mercury, directly aspecting Jupiter, in a face-off of sorts.

 

Rgds,

K.

 

 

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:10:31 +0800, Wendy Vasicek

<wenvas wrote:

>

> Dear Patrice,

>

> Nice to be back! and yes, that particular crisis did resolve itself.

> However, as is the nature of this time, there seems to be a new

> (family) crisis every other day. But all will settle down in due

> time I'm sure...it usually does.

>

> Thank you for the effort you've put into this chart Patrice...it

> does seem (so far) that the rectification could be fairly close,

> don't you think? I am quite sure (at least) that she has Capricorn

> rising. Looking ahead to 7th lord Moon's imminent transit into

> Sagittarius, forming mutual aspect with transiting Saturn, could be

> a critical time for her. In varshaphal SA/MO are conjunct in 12th.

>

> PS: I still haven't found time to open the books on Varshaphal so my

> observations in this regard are purely intuitive :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com<http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> _______________________

> Hi Dear Wendy and List,

>

> Nice to have you back Wendy! I hope you are rested and full of vim

> and vigor following your break and retreat - Also that the minor

> crisis wasn't too serious for any of your loved ones and has

> resolved itself.

>

> I have lots of interest in studying right now but little time still

> as we prepare to sell our home and finish many of the projects here.

> I am up tonight in the middle of the night here with good sleep

> recently and all my interest drawing me to Jyotish instead of taking

> me to sleep and sweet dreams... All here can relate I'm sure ;-)

>

> I want to look more at the chart you've shared with this time for

> Terry Schiavo and all your thoughts on this. Briefly, when using

> Lahiri ayanamsa, as you've said, it gives the Capricorn lagna.

> Interestingly, also this day gives the Sun in Mrityu Bhanga degree.

> With this Capricorn lagna, Sun is 8H lord. Your thoughts on Mars are

> very interesting and with respect to the timing with Mars reaching

> maturity. And as you know with this lagna, Mars is also badhakesh

> owning 11H and with this Sun there. And interestingly Sun in

> Mercury's star with Mercury in gandanta conjoined with this Mars and

> Venus in Ketu's star, Moola, which can be a very difficult

> nakshatra. These all conjoined with Ketu itself in this nakshatra

> parivartana with Venus - and as you've said in the 12H.

>

> This time also puts Saturn in 12H in Sun's sign in the Navamsa, and

> again if using degree, this Saturn now very near, approaching by

> minutes, into Mrityu Bhaga degree. This Navamsa give Sun and Saturn

> now in Ketu's Moola (again if one does use this in Navamsa charts -

> I do like to use this) with Ketu on 1H Virgo, with Mercury in the

> 8H.

>

> Very interesting my dear ;-)... More soon, lots more going on in

> this chart...

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

>

>

> Links

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>

>

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ANALYSIS

 

I've considered 8:40 pm as the TOB. Virgo rises in Rasi, Aries rises in D9.

 

Tight Mercury Mars conjunction in difficult Moola moves to second

house in D9, and retrograde Jupiter moves to 8th house in D9. The

retrogression itself implies that there would be setbacks from

husband, both as natural and functional karaka of husband.

 

Note how Jupiter exactly aspects 12th lord of confinement, Sun, in the

3rd house, which shows cause of death.

 

The naxatra placements are difficult, with an obvious Gandanta, plus

nasty naxatras like Moola, Aardra, Dhanistha, Jyestha. The Moon in

benefic Pushya in the 11th ensured public support and recognition.

 

Pushya is also a naxatra of excessive nourishment, so there could be a

bulimic angle here. Moon is also conjunct 2nd lord Venus in D9. Of

course, the nodes are stationary exalted, so fame was bound to come.

 

Also Jupiter was very slow, about to go direct, so its presence was

extremely powerful. Jupiter is also the final dispositor of all the

planets in the chart, except Moon. Which probably explains why her

husband has the right to let her live or die.

 

I especially hate the position of Saturn. It is in a Mars naxatra, in

Sun's navamsa (which, I have repeatedly stated, is a lousy placement).

 

This afflicted Saturn in turn afflicts 5th, 7th, 11th and 2nd houses.

 

Of these, 7th and 11th are protected by the presence of natural

benefics. But the 2nd house was ruined, (bulimia?). The marriage

didnot produce any children, as the 5th house affliction would

indicate.

 

The Rasi lagnesh is in a Paap-kartari, while the D9 lagna is in

Paapkartari. Mercury, lagnesh, is hammered by super-malefic Mars.

 

The marriage date itself is scary, 10 November 1984. Any astrologer

can see why a marriage like that is doomed, Sun-Saturn in a tight

embrace, and a Moon-Rahu tango. It took place (according to the time I

use) in Merc-Merc-Rahu. Rahu PAD is capable of giving marriage, as

also Mercury by its natal 4th placement. Venus had just entered 4th

house on the day of marriage, so the marriage did take place.

 

Her collapse occurred in Mercury-Moon-Mars. Is that difficult to

explain? It was another nasty day, with Rahu and Mercury transiting

over her natally spoilt Saturn. TR Mars and Saturn were approaching a

perfect conjunction. It also happened to be a new Moon.

 

Point is, what happens now? Her current dasha is Ke-Sa-Venus. Venus

will soon conjunct NT Jupiter. Moon transits her natal Sun. May she

rest in peace.

 

Rgds

K.

[Guest guest]

ADDENDUM: MICHAEL SCHIAVO

 

http://marriage.about.com/od/celebritymarriages/p/schiavo.htm

 

Interesting how his Venus is hammered in the D1 and D9. Mars exactly

8th aspects Venus in D1, while Sun and Ketu ruin whatever little is

left of it in D9. I have a strong suspicion, after looking at this

chart, that he DID have something to do with her collapse. The Moon

Saturn (plus Ketu) opposition, in the not-so-friendly company of Mars

and Rahu suggests a hot-headed, ruthless individual.

 

Rgds.,

K.

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika,

 

Do you know if he was a nurse at the time of her collapse and if he

was with her at the time? No doubt had she been given CPR (at the

time of collapse) her brain would not have been deprived of oxygen.

 

PS: I don't see strong enough indications in the Virgo chart that

show a native confined to a hospital bed for 15 yrs...but I'll keep

an open mind :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_________________________

 

ADDENDUM: MICHAEL SCHIAVO

 

http://marriage.about.com/od/celebritymarriages/p/schiavo.htm

 

Interesting how his Venus is hammered in the D1 and D9. Mars exactly

8th aspects Venus in D1, while Sun and Ketu ruin whatever little is

left of it in D9. I have a strong suspicion, after looking at this

chart, that he DID have something to do with her collapse. The Moon

Saturn (plus Ketu) opposition, in the not-so-friendly company of

Mars

and Rahu suggests a hot-headed, ruthless individual.

 

Rgds.,

K.

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy

 

Unfortunately, not much is known about him. I wonder if some of our

other members can find out.

 

What is interesting to me is that no audit is available of the 1

million he got. I think once it was all spent (as is rumored), he had

no further use for her, and asked for the feeding tube to be removed.

He has openly committed adultery, yet refuses to divorce Terri. Yes

there is an argument that his wife was in a "vegetative" state, but

then he could just divorce her on health grounds. If he did that he

would lose control of the cash.

 

I am not too sure of the Capricorn rising chart :-) She doesn't seem

like that to me, from her pictures, and things I have read about her.

 

Rgds.,

K.

 

 

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:57:46 +0800, Wendy Vasicek

<wenvas wrote:

>

> Dear Kundalika,

>

> Do you know if he was a nurse at the time of her collapse and if he

> was with her at the time? No doubt had she been given CPR (at the

> time of collapse) her brain would not have been deprived of oxygen.

>

> PS: I don't see strong enough indications in the Virgo chart that

> show a native confined to a hospital bed for 15 yrs...but I'll keep

> an open mind :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> _________________________

>

> ADDENDUM: MICHAEL SCHIAVO

>

> http://marriage.about.com/od/celebritymarriages/p/schiavo.htm

>

> Interesting how his Venus is hammered in the D1 and D9. Mars exactly

> 8th aspects Venus in D1, while Sun and Ketu ruin whatever little is

> left of it in D9. I have a strong suspicion, after looking at this

> chart, that he DID have something to do with her collapse. The Moon

> Saturn (plus Ketu) opposition, in the not-so-friendly company of

> Mars

> and Rahu suggests a hot-headed, ruthless individual.

>

> Rgds.,

> K.

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika and All,

 

I must be doing something in error here Kundalika, but I'm getting Cancer rising

with the time of 20:40 as TOB..? Virgo rising would be just after midnight on

the 3rd of December, and with an Aries in Navamsa would begin around 1:34 AM. Do

you see what I might have incorrectly? This is using Boyertown, PA, as Wendy has

in the birth data for location, 3 December 1963.

 

Best wishes,

Patrice

_________

ANALYSIS

 

I've considered 8:40 pm as the TOB. Virgo rises in Rasi, Aries rises in D9.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Patrice,

 

Whoops, you are right, sorry!

 

There are some allegations of physical abuse against Michael, and also

that Terri was going to ask him for a divorce when she collapsed.

There was allegedly no heart failure, but there were marks of

strangulation. It seems the mother of his current common law wife

worked for the Sheriff's department, so there was no proper

investigation.

 

Maybe I am biased, but a Moon-Mars-Rahu combination with Moon in

Aslesha is not my favorite.

 

Rgds,

K.

 

 

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:31:50 -0500, Patrice Curry

<patricecurry wrote:

>

> Dear Kundalika and All,

>

> I must be doing something in error here Kundalika, but I'm getting Cancer

rising with the time of 20:40 as TOB..? Virgo rising would be just after

midnight on the 3rd of December, and with an Aries in Navamsa would begin around

1:34 AM. Do you see what I might have incorrectly? This is using Boyertown, PA,

as Wendy has in the birth data for location, 3 December 1963.

>

> Best wishes,

> Patrice

> _________

> ANALYSIS

>

> I've considered 8:40 pm as the TOB. Virgo rises in Rasi, Aries rises in D9.

>

>

[Guest guest]

And Terri has died. Moon transiting third house, Gandanta position.

 

May God bless her soul, she is finally free.

 

Rgds.

K.

 

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:44:42 +0530, Kundalika Shastri

<kundalika wrote:

> Dear Patrice,

>

> Whoops, you are right, sorry!

>

> There are some allegations of physical abuse against Michael, and also

> that Terri was going to ask him for a divorce when she collapsed.

> There was allegedly no heart failure, but there were marks of

> strangulation. It seems the mother of his current common law wife

> worked for the Sheriff's department, so there was no proper

> investigation.

>

> Maybe I am biased, but a Moon-Mars-Rahu combination with Moon in

> Aslesha is not my favorite.

>

> Rgds,

> K.

>

>

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:31:50 -0500, Patrice Curry

> <patricecurry wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kundalika and All,

> >

> > I must be doing something in error here Kundalika, but I'm getting Cancer

rising with the time of 20:40 as TOB..? Virgo rising would be just after

midnight on the 3rd of December, and with an Aries in Navamsa would begin around

1:34 AM. Do you see what I might have incorrectly? This is using Boyertown, PA,

as Wendy has in the birth data for location, 3 December 1963.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Patrice

> > _________

> > ANALYSIS

> >

> > I've considered 8:40 pm as the TOB. Virgo rises in Rasi, Aries rises in D9.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what a death 8 days of fasting prior to death quite a few yogis have taken this

path to free the soul from the cage of body

 

this fasting has burned tons of her karmas

-

Kundalika Shastri<kundalika

jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:08 AM

Re: Terry Schiavo

 

 

And Terri has died. Moon transiting third house, Gandanta position.

 

May God bless her soul, she is finally free.

 

Rgds.

K.

 

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:44:42 +0530, Kundalika Shastri

<kundalika<kundalika> wrote:

> Dear Patrice,

>

> Whoops, you are right, sorry!

>

> There are some allegations of physical abuse against Michael, and also

> that Terri was going to ask him for a divorce when she collapsed.

> There was allegedly no heart failure, but there were marks of

> strangulation. It seems the mother of his current common law wife

> worked for the Sheriff's department, so there was no proper

> investigation.

>

> Maybe I am biased, but a Moon-Mars-Rahu combination with Moon in

> Aslesha is not my favorite.

>

> Rgds,

> K.

>

>

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:31:50 -0500, Patrice Curry

> <patricecurry wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kundalika and All,

> >

> > I must be doing something in error here Kundalika, but I'm getting Cancer

rising with the time of 20:40 as TOB..? Virgo rising would be just after

midnight on the 3rd of December, and with an Aries in Navamsa would begin around

1:34 AM. Do you see what I might have incorrectly? This is using Boyertown, PA,

as Wendy has in the birth data for location, 3 December 1963.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Patrice

> > _________

> > ANALYSIS

> >

> > I've considered 8:40 pm as the TOB. Virgo rises in Rasi, Aries rises in

D9.

> >

> >

>

 

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See Michael's chart, TR Mars is EXACTLY opposite natal Mars!

 

K.

 

 

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:10:53 -0500, jiger shah <jigershah wrote:

>

> what a death 8 days of fasting prior to death quite a few yogis have taken

this path to free the soul from the cage of body

>

> this fasting has burned tons of her karmas

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika,

 

Moon transiting 3rd would give Libra rising. Is this the chart

you're working on?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_______________________

 

 

And Terri has died. Moon transiting third house, Gandanta position.

 

May God bless her soul, she is finally free.

 

Rgds.

K.

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

When I wrote that, Moon was at 28 Scorpio. We are not communicating

well, ah Mercury Rx....

 

Rgds

K.

 

On Apr 1, 2005 12:35 PM, Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

>

> Dear Kundalika,

>

> Moon transiting 3rd would give Libra rising. Is this the chart

> you're working on?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> _______________________

>

>

> And Terri has died. Moon transiting third house, Gandanta position.

>

> May God bless her soul, she is finally free.

>

> Rgds.

> K.

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kundalika,

 

You're absolutely correct! I've just drawn a chart for the time of

death and find that (transiting) gandanta Moon was at 28°03'41"

Scorpio, conjunct natal Sun and both in nakshatra of dasa lord

Mercury who, along with Sun, transits 3rd. Transiting bhukti lord

Jupiter conjunct Ketu in 9th house of religion certainly reflects

the cruel refusal of her husband to allow her a last communion...the

sacred right of every catholic.

 

(Ketu signifying obstruction/hindrance)

 

In holy communion a thin wafer (the size of a coin) is placed on the

tongue...the wafer representing the body of Christ. For this solemn

right to be refused to a dying catholic because it might prolong

life (even for an day) is an inconceivable cruelty...this is most

certainly not an act of love or even basic human compassion that

anyone would show towards a stranger. I doubt if this man's heart is

capable of mercy.

 

As we know the emotional heart is governed by Moon (physical heart

by Sun)...not surprising that his Moon is conjunct Mars/Rahu and

aspected by Saturn.

 

Time of Death (Terry)

9.05am, Mar 31

Pinellas Park, Florida

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

_____________________

 

Dear Wendy,

 

When I wrote that, Moon was at 28 Scorpio. We are not communicating

well, ah Mercury Rx....

 

Rgds

K.