Basics

=================

Hi Everyone,

I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

catch

up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably take

some time to go through all the messages)!

>From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

>least

gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

or

due to weak placement.

Regards,

Neena.

April 12, 2005

Hello Neena,

"the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

ordue to weak placement".

May be the judgement has no basis.

The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as advocated by Wendy

can be attributed to Sun.

Krishnan

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

Dear Neena and All,

Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism, extravagance,

gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

compassion etc..

Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-worth,

arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so forth.

However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an influence

on everything else and often we see that the most subtle influence

has the most profound effect.

I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have placements

that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we should

try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets in

isolation.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

=================

Hi Everyone,

I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

catch

up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably take

some time to go through all the messages)!

>From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

>least

gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

or

due to weak placement.

Regards,

Neena.

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April 12, 2005

-Thank you Wendy and krishnan, I am in full agreement with what you

have said. One has to study the horoscope in totality and not study

the impact of a placement in isolation. But at the same time

afflictions do lend colour to the complete picture to a greater or

lesser extent.

Every horoscope with GCY does not necessarily make a native a total

negative person , the impact of the yoga maybe seen in subtle ways.

That is why I mentioned "at the least".

No way was it a comment on any individual horoscope and no offence meant.

regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan <bursar_99>

wrote:

> Hello Neena,

> "the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> ordue to weak placement".

> May be the judgement has no basis.

> The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as advocated

by Wendy can be attributed to Sun.

> Krishnan

>

> Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism, extravagance,

> gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

> compassion etc..

>

> Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-worth,

> arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so forth.

>

> However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

> isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an influence

> on everything else and often we see that the most subtle influence

> has the most profound effect.

>

> I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have placements

> that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

> therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we should

> try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets in

> isolation.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> =================

> Hi Everyone,

> I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

> catch

> up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably take

> some time to go through all the messages)!

> >From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

> >least

> gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> or

> due to weak placement.

> Regards,

> Neena.

>

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--

P>S>

The personality of a native is the outcome of all influences and not

just the lagna and Sun. If afflictions impact bhavas and signs how can

they be isolated from the personality?

- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan <bursar_99>

wrote:

> Hello Neena,

> "the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> ordue to weak placement".

> May be the judgement has no basis.

> The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as advocated

by Wendy can be attributed to Sun.

> Krishnan

>

> Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism, extravagance,

> gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

> compassion etc..

>

> Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-worth,

> arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so forth.

>

> However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

> isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an influence

> on everything else and often we see that the most subtle influence

> has the most profound effect.

>

> I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have placements

> that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

> therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we should

> try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets in

> isolation.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> =================

> Hi Everyone,

> I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

> catch

> up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably take

> some time to go through all the messages)!

> >From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

> >least

> gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> or

> due to weak placement.

> Regards,

> Neena.

>

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April 13, 2005

Hello Neena ji,

I am sure we are in Astrology topic.Lagna is raising sign at the time of

birth,Sun is also Lagna.If lagna is 1st house it signifies basic characterstics

of the native.This in cludes many thing to know personality of the native.

Where as other Houses/bhvas signify various other things.You may refer to

Phaladeepika or some other standard classical books.

As you see a chart you are able to assess how strong the lagna is?Exception all

watery signs.Planets as lords of those houses and aspecting them either get

strengthened.it is the case with lagna too.

As you know there are some inner and outer planets each contributing some thing

to lagna and some thing to other houses too.In the process they get strengthened

or weakened.As far as malific planets reduce effects of good houses and benifics

improve them.By judging all these aspects you are ready with the personality of

the native.where as other specifics like contcts and association you may

delineate from 7th.Intellect from 5th etc.

Iam sure you are convinced.Do not forget that signs that raise in lagna has a

telling effect on personality.

krishnan

neenako <neenako wrote:

--

P>S>

The personality of a native is the outcome of all influences and not

just the lagna and Sun. If afflictions impact bhavas and signs how can

they be isolated from the personality?

- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan <bursar_99>

wrote:

> Hello Neena,

> "the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> ordue to weak placement".

> May be the judgement has no basis.

> The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as advocated

by Wendy can be attributed to Sun.

> Krishnan

>

> Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism, extravagance,

> gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

> compassion etc..

>

> Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-worth,

> arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so forth.

>

> However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

> isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an influence

> on everything else and often we see that the most subtle influence

> has the most profound effect.

>

> I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have placements

> that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

> therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we should

> try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets in

> isolation.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> =================

> Hi Everyone,

> I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

> catch

> up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably take

> some time to go through all the messages)!

> >From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

> >least

> gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> or

> due to weak placement.

> Regards,

> Neena.

>

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April 14, 2005

-Dear Krishnan ji,

Thanks a lot for your post. I appreciate your input. The purpose of

this list is learning and sharing. I have learnt a lot from others

and my purpose was only to share my views on an afflicted Jupiter.

I still stand by what I wrote and look around you will find that in

actual life this will hold good.

regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello Neena ji,

> I am sure we are in Astrology topic.Lagna is raising sign at the

time of birth,Sun is also Lagna.If lagna is 1st house it signifies

basic characterstics of the native.This in cludes many thing to know

personality of the native.

> Where as other Houses/bhvas signify various other things.You may

refer to Phaladeepika or some other standard classical books.

> As you see a chart you are able to assess how strong the lagna is?

Exception all watery signs.Planets as lords of those houses and

aspecting them either get strengthened.it is the case with lagna too.

> As you know there are some inner and outer planets each

contributing some thing to lagna and some thing to other houses

too.In the process they get strengthened or weakened.As far as

malific planets reduce effects of good houses and benifics improve

them.By judging all these aspects you are ready with the personality

of the native.where as other specifics like contcts and association

you may delineate from 7th.Intellect from 5th etc.

> Iam sure you are convinced.Do not forget that signs that raise in

lagna has a telling effect on personality.

> krishnan

>

> neenako <neenako> wrote:

>

> --

> P>S>

> The personality of a native is the outcome of all influences and

not

> just the lagna and Sun. If afflictions impact bhavas and signs how

can

> they be isolated from the personality?

> - In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99>

> wrote:

> > Hello Neena,

> > "the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> > ordue to weak placement".

> > May be the judgement has no basis.

> > The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

> personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as

advocated

> by Wendy can be attributed to Sun.

> > Krishnan

> >

> > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> > Dear Neena and All,

> >

> > Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism,

extravagance,

> > gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

> > compassion etc..

> >

> > Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-

worth,

> > arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so

forth.

> >

> > However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

> > isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an

influence

> > on everything else and often we see that the most subtle

influence

> > has the most profound effect.

> >

> > I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have

placements

> > that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

> > therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we

should

> > try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets

in

> > isolation.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > =================

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

> > catch

> > up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably

take

> > some time to go through all the messages)!

> > >From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

> > >least

> > gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or

Ketu

> > or

> > due to weak placement.

> > Regards,

> > Neena.

> >

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April 16, 2005

Hello Neena ji,

You might be aware that some parts of India are celeberating Navraatri and

ofcourse today is an important day for all such occassions.

while I was reciting Mahamrityujaya japam,some priests in the mandir were

performing Chandi Homam and chanting relics.My attention got focussed on one

priest and my thoughts went back to my Astrological memories.That moment was

then over.After going through your mail that reads:"you will find that in

actual life"

All such priests in temple (ofcourse for psychological studies) look like as if

their natal charts jupiter must be retrograde/aspected by malefic planets(only

for the sake of personality).That is not true too.

Then my teacher in Astrology classes in his first class has prounounced that

this Vigyan is not for self study and for the purpose certainly not as a means

for livelihood.May not be in reality and true sense.Infact in the real life

situations application of Astrology is neither a feasible approach nor a

meaningful way of analysis of these reverred subjects.

what ever may be depth of knowledge and intellect we can not be the people to

design lives of the people.

The definition of Jyotish" as envisaged in classics reads very impressive.The

spirit is to implement those features as real Astrologers and serve Humanity

where ever and when ever we can?

In real life situations our knowlowdge does not real does not really sounds any

thing potential.iam happy that you have taken a stand and conveyed to me in a

suggestive way.

Thanx a lot

krishnan

neenako <neenako wrote:

-Dear Krishnan ji,

Thanks a lot for your post. I appreciate your input. The purpose of

this list is learning and sharing. I have learnt a lot from others

and my purpose was only to share my views on an afflicted Jupiter.

I still stand by what I wrote and look around you will find that in

actual life this will hold good.

regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello Neena ji,

> I am sure we are in Astrology topic.Lagna is raising sign at the

time of birth,Sun is also Lagna.If lagna is 1st house it signifies

basic characterstics of the native.This in cludes many thing to know

personality of the native.

> Where as other Houses/bhvas signify various other things.You may

refer to Phaladeepika or some other standard classical books.

> As you see a chart you are able to assess how strong the lagna is?

Exception all watery signs.Planets as lords of those houses and

aspecting them either get strengthened.it is the case with lagna too.

> As you know there are some inner and outer planets each

contributing some thing to lagna and some thing to other houses

too.In the process they get strengthened or weakened.As far as

malific planets reduce effects of good houses and benifics improve

them.By judging all these aspects you are ready with the personality

of the native.where as other specifics like contcts and association

you may delineate from 7th.Intellect from 5th etc.

> Iam sure you are convinced.Do not forget that signs that raise in

lagna has a telling effect on personality.

> krishnan

>

> neenako <neenako> wrote:

>

> --

> P>S>

> The personality of a native is the outcome of all influences and

not

> just the lagna and Sun. If afflictions impact bhavas and signs how

can

> they be isolated from the personality?

> - In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99>

> wrote:

> > Hello Neena,

> > "the affliction maybe from Rahu or Ketu

> > ordue to weak placement".

> > May be the judgement has no basis.

> > The afflictions will impact bhavas and signs and certainly not on

> personality.This has to be judged from lagna and ofcourse as

advocated

> by Wendy can be attributed to Sun.

> > Krishnan

> >

> > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> > Dear Neena and All,

> >

> > Jupiter when afflicted may give rise to over optimism,

extravagance,

> > gambling, frivolousness, misfortune, lack of judgement, lack of

> > compassion etc..

> >

> > Affliction to Sun can indicate problems related to ego, self-

worth,

> > arrogance, pride, dominating nature, self-opinionated, and so

forth.

> >

> > However no placement, combination, or aspect can be judged in

> > isolation from the rest of the chart...everything has an

influence

> > on everything else and often we see that the most subtle

influence

> > has the most profound effect.

> >

> > I think we have to keep in mind that many here will have

placements

> > that (on face value) could be interpreted as a blemish. It's

> > therefore all too easy to offend, albeit inadvertently...we

should

> > try to keep this in mind when describing the effects of planets

in

> > isolation.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > =================

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I have not been around for sometime now. But have been trying to

> > catch

> > up with the various discussions going on here ( will probably

take

> > some time to go through all the messages)!

> > >From experience I have found that an afflicted Jupiter at the

> > >least

> > gives an egoistic attitude. the affliction maybe from Rahu or

Ketu

> > or

> > due to weak placement.

> > Regards,

> > Neena.

> >

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April 18, 2005

Dear Neena,

Could you perhaps offer an example (chart) that unmistakably

attributes an egoistic attitude to (afflicted) Jupiter alone...only

if you have one on hand you'd like to share and certainly no

pressure to follow this thread if you don't wish to, I'm just

curious to see this in action...we can all learn, myself included

:-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

____________________

-Dear Krishnan ji,

Thanks a lot for your post. I appreciate your input. The purpose of

this list is learning and sharing. I have learnt a lot from others

and my purpose was only to share my views on an afflicted Jupiter.

I still stand by what I wrote and look around you will find that in

actual life this will hold good.

regards,

Neena

April 18, 2005

--Dear Wendy,

I am giving below the details of a couple of such charts. Please

have a look at them.

1. D.O.B. 19 April, 1949

T.O.B. 10-30 a.m.

P.O.B. 76-57 N ; 30-55 E.

2. D.O.B. 30 Dec , 1972

T.O.B. 17-24

P.O.B. 76-48 N ; 30- 49 E

In the first case Jupiter dasa and antardasa was bad for personal

relationships with parents. Differences were ego based and no basic

differences.

In the second case, there is complete devotion to family( parents

and siblings) to the extent of exclusion of all else.Its impact on

married life, I don't know much about because of lack of contact.

Ofcourse just two charts should not be a basis for deciding on the

role of afflicted Jupiter, but right now I can offer these.

Regards,

Neena

- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...>

wrote:

> Dear Neena,

>

> Could you perhaps offer an example (chart) that unmistakably

> attributes an egoistic attitude to (afflicted) Jupiter

alone...only

> if you have one on hand you'd like to share and certainly no

> pressure to follow this thread if you don't wish to, I'm just

> curious to see this in action...we can all learn, myself included

> :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ____________________

> -Dear Krishnan ji,

> Thanks a lot for your post. I appreciate your input. The purpose of

> this list is learning and sharing. I have learnt a lot from others

> and my purpose was only to share my views on an afflicted Jupiter.

> I still stand by what I wrote and look around you will find that in

> actual life this will hold good.

> regards,

> Neena

April 18, 2005

Many thanks for that Dear Neena :-)

I look forward to studying these charts (later today, God willing).

In the meantime can you give either the actual place of birth or the

time zone (so this lethargic brain of mine doesn't have to work

overtime).

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

_____________________

--Dear Wendy,

I am giving below the details of a couple of such charts. Please

have a look at them.

1. D.O.B. 19 April, 1949

T.O.B. 10-30 a.m.

P.O.B. 76-57 N ; 30-55 E.

2. D.O.B. 30 Dec , 1972

T.O.B. 17-24

P.O.B. 76-48 N ; 30- 49 E

In the first case Jupiter dasa and antardasa was bad for personal

relationships with parents. Differences were ego based and no basic

differences.

In the second case, there is complete devotion to family( parents

and siblings) to the extent of exclusion of all else.Its impact on

married life, I don't know much about because of lack of contact.

Ofcourse just two charts should not be a basis for deciding on the

role of afflicted Jupiter, but right now I can offer these.

Regards,

Neena

April 18, 2005

-Dear Wendy,

For chart 1, place of birth is Ambala, India and for chart 2 the place

of birth is Chandigarh, India.

Do let me know what is your viewpoint on these horoscopes.

Regards,

neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Many thanks for that Dear Neena :-)

>

> I look forward to studying these charts (later today, God willing).

> In the meantime can you give either the actual place of birth or the

> time zone (so this lethargic brain of mine doesn't have to work

> overtime).

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> _____________________

>

> --Dear Wendy,

> I am giving below the details of a couple of such charts. Please

> have a look at them.

> 1. D.O.B. 19 April, 1949

> T.O.B. 10-30 a.m.

> P.O.B. 76-57 N ; 30-55 E.

> 2. D.O.B. 30 Dec , 1972

> T.O.B. 17-24

> P.O.B. 76-48 N ; 30- 49 E

>

> In the first case Jupiter dasa and antardasa was bad for personal

> relationships with parents. Differences were ego based and no basic

> differences.

> In the second case, there is complete devotion to family( parents

> and siblings) to the extent of exclusion of all else.Its impact on

> married life, I don't know much about because of lack of contact.

>

> Ofcourse just two charts should not be a basis for deciding on the

> role of afflicted Jupiter, but right now I can offer these.

> Regards,

> Neena

April 20, 2005

Dear Neena and All,

I can only hope this mail gets through okay - server problems and

have not been receiving any mail since yesterday :-(

I've had a quick look at the charts and, if my calculations are

correct, chart1 has Gemini rising with debilitated Jupiter in 8th

house. As we know, ego (generally) is signified by lagna and lagna

karaka Sun. In this chart lagnesh Mercury, 5th lord Venus and their

dispositor Mars are all combust exalted 3rd (dusthana lord) Sun who

is spoilt by conjunction of Rahu (Rahu is a great enemy of the

luminaries). Combust F/M Mars aspecting lagna is a further

affliction. Debilitated Jupiter, in this instance, disposits Mars

and sits in nakshatra of Sun whilst his dispositor (Saturn) occupies

Sun's sign in 3rd...etc, etc.

Chart2. also has Gemini rising with combust Jupiter (and 3rd lord

Sun) conjunct Rahu. Sun & Jupiter aspect lagna from 7th as does F/M

Mars from 6th. Can you see the "ego" problems arising from lagna and

lagna karaka...certainly Jupiter is afflicted here, of course. But

the issues relating to ego are due to the influence/affliction of

Sun and lagna.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

____________________________

-Dear Wendy,

For chart 1, place of birth is Ambala, India and for chart 2 the

place

of birth is Chandigarh, India.

Do let me know what is your viewpoint on these horoscopes.

Regards,

neena

April 20, 2005

Dear Wendy,

thanks for looking into the charts.

As I understand from your analysis it is the affliction of Sun that

leads to ego problems. while that may be so, in the case of chart 1

the effects manifested themselves fully with the advent of Jupiter

main dasa. It was in this dasa that there was a complete break up of

relations with parents.

In the case of chart 2, the growing up years were covered by Jupiter

dasa . While the native is devoted to parents , she is very bossy

and has virtually no friends due to extreme superiority complex.

Somehow I find it hard to accept that afflicted Jupiter had nothing

to do with this.

But I will definitely keep in mind the effects of Sun when looking

for ego problems and a dominating personality.

Thanks once again for your take on this topic.

Regards,

Neena

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@j...>

wrote:

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> I can only hope this mail gets through okay - server problems and

> have not been receiving any mail since yesterday :-(

>

> I've had a quick look at the charts and, if my calculations are

> correct, chart1 has Gemini rising with debilitated Jupiter in 8th

> house. As we know, ego (generally) is signified by lagna and lagna

> karaka Sun. In this chart lagnesh Mercury, 5th lord Venus and

their

> dispositor Mars are all combust exalted 3rd (dusthana lord) Sun

who

> is spoilt by conjunction of Rahu (Rahu is a great enemy of the

> luminaries). Combust F/M Mars aspecting lagna is a further

> affliction. Debilitated Jupiter, in this instance, disposits Mars

> and sits in nakshatra of Sun whilst his dispositor (Saturn)

occupies

> Sun's sign in 3rd...etc, etc.

>

> Chart2. also has Gemini rising with combust Jupiter (and 3rd lord

> Sun) conjunct Rahu. Sun & Jupiter aspect lagna from 7th as does

F/M

> Mars from 6th. Can you see the "ego" problems arising from lagna

and

> lagna karaka...certainly Jupiter is afflicted here, of course. But

> the issues relating to ego are due to the influence/affliction of

> Sun and lagna.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ____________________________

>

> -Dear Wendy,

> For chart 1, place of birth is Ambala, India and for chart 2 the

> place

> of birth is Chandigarh, India.

> Do let me know what is your viewpoint on these horoscopes.

> Regards,

> neena

April 20, 2005

Dear Neena,

Jupiter is in nakshatra of SUN, Jupiter's dispositor is disposited

by SUN etc, etc, etc..

Yes, it would be a good idea to "keep in mind the effects of Sun

when looking for ego problems and dominating personality"...this is

in accord with the dictums as laid down by the sages. These

principles have stood the test of time and are (most certainly) not

"my take" as you put it.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

______________________

Dear Wendy,

thanks for looking into the charts.

As I understand from your analysis it is the affliction of Sun that

leads to ego problems. while that may be so, in the case of chart 1

the effects manifested themselves fully with the advent of Jupiter

main dasa. It was in this dasa that there was a complete break up of

relations with parents.

In the case of chart 2, the growing up years were covered by Jupiter

dasa . While the native is devoted to parents , she is very bossy

and has virtually no friends due to extreme superiority complex.

Somehow I find it hard to accept that afflicted Jupiter had nothing

to do with this.

But I will definitely keep in mind the effects of Sun when looking

for ego problems and a dominating personality.

Thanks once again for your take on this topic.

Regards,

Neena

April 22, 2005

Dear Wendy,

Nice that you have zeroed in the reasons for personality built up and ego

problems.This should clear all clouds relating to the subject.

As far as combust jupiter and other issues the delineation with reference to

their placement and significance is most appropriate and relevant

Regards

krishnan

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

Dear Neena and All,

I can only hope this mail gets through okay - server problems and

have not been receiving any mail since yesterday :-(

I've had a quick look at the charts and, if my calculations are

correct, chart1 has Gemini rising with debilitated Jupiter in 8th

house. As we know, ego (generally) is signified by lagna and lagna

karaka Sun. In this chart lagnesh Mercury, 5th lord Venus and their

dispositor Mars are all combust exalted 3rd (dusthana lord) Sun who

is spoilt by conjunction of Rahu (Rahu is a great enemy of the

luminaries). Combust F/M Mars aspecting lagna is a further

affliction. Debilitated Jupiter, in this instance, disposits Mars

and sits in nakshatra of Sun whilst his dispositor (Saturn) occupies

Sun's sign in 3rd...etc, etc.

Chart2. also has Gemini rising with combust Jupiter (and 3rd lord

Sun) conjunct Rahu. Sun & Jupiter aspect lagna from 7th as does F/M

Mars from 6th. Can you see the "ego" problems arising from lagna and

lagna karaka...certainly Jupiter is afflicted here, of course. But

the issues relating to ego are due to the influence/affliction of

Sun and lagna.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

____________________________

-Dear Wendy,

For chart 1, place of birth is Ambala, India and for chart 2 the

place

of birth is Chandigarh, India.

Do let me know what is your viewpoint on these horoscopes.

Regards,

neena

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April 23, 2005

Dear Krishnan,

Thank you for your comments! Certainly there can be no doubt that if

we stick to the natural significations of the planets (and houses)

we won't stray too far off the track, hopefully :-)

Best Wishes,

Wendy

_________________

jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Dear Wendy,

> Nice that you have zeroed in the reasons for personality built up

and ego problems.This should clear all clouds relating to the

subject.

> As far as combust jupiter and other issues the delineation with

reference to their placement and significance is most appropriate

and relevant

> Regards

> krishnan

>

> Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Dear Neena and All,

>

> I can only hope this mail gets through okay - server problems and

> have not been receiving any mail since yesterday :-(

>

> I've had a quick look at the charts and, if my calculations are

> correct, chart1 has Gemini rising with debilitated Jupiter in 8th

> house. As we know, ego (generally) is signified by lagna and lagna

> karaka Sun. In this chart lagnesh Mercury, 5th lord Venus and

their

> dispositor Mars are all combust exalted 3rd (dusthana lord) Sun

who

> is spoilt by conjunction of Rahu (Rahu is a great enemy of the

> luminaries). Combust F/M Mars aspecting lagna is a further

> affliction. Debilitated Jupiter, in this instance, disposits Mars

> and sits in nakshatra of Sun whilst his dispositor (Saturn)

occupies

> Sun's sign in 3rd...etc, etc.

>

> Chart2. also has Gemini rising with combust Jupiter (and 3rd lord

> Sun) conjunct Rahu. Sun & Jupiter aspect lagna from 7th as does

F/M

> Mars from 6th. Can you see the "ego" problems arising from lagna

and

> lagna karaka...certainly Jupiter is afflicted here, of course. But

> the issues relating to ego are due to the influence/affliction of

> Sun and lagna.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ____________________________

April 24, 2005

-Dear Wendy,

If you refer to my original post, I had mentioned that

from 'experience' it is seen that afflicted Jupiter can at the very

least cause ego problems. The aim was not in any way to deride the

shastras.

If anyone is interested in a little bit of research they might wish

to check up this in their experience.

Regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, "wenvasuk" <wenvas@j...> wrote:

>

> Dear Krishnan,

>

> Thank you for your comments! Certainly there can be no doubt that

if

> we stick to the natural significations of the planets (and houses)

> we won't stray too far off the track, hopefully :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Wendy

> _________________

>

> jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> > Dear Wendy,

> > Nice that you have zeroed in the reasons for personality built

up

> and ego problems.This should clear all clouds relating to the

> subject.

> > As far as combust jupiter and other issues the delineation with

> reference to their placement and significance is most appropriate

> and relevant

> > Regards

> > krishnan

> >

> > Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> > Dear Neena and All,

> >

> > I can only hope this mail gets through okay - server problems

and

> > have not been receiving any mail since yesterday :-(

> >

> > I've had a quick look at the charts and, if my calculations are

> > correct, chart1 has Gemini rising with debilitated Jupiter in

8th

> > house. As we know, ego (generally) is signified by lagna and

lagna

> > karaka Sun. In this chart lagnesh Mercury, 5th lord Venus and

> their

> > dispositor Mars are all combust exalted 3rd (dusthana lord) Sun

> who

> > is spoilt by conjunction of Rahu (Rahu is a great enemy of the

> > luminaries). Combust F/M Mars aspecting lagna is a further

> > affliction. Debilitated Jupiter, in this instance, disposits

Mars

> > and sits in nakshatra of Sun whilst his dispositor (Saturn)

> occupies

> > Sun's sign in 3rd...etc, etc.

> >

> > Chart2. also has Gemini rising with combust Jupiter (and 3rd

lord

> > Sun) conjunct Rahu. Sun & Jupiter aspect lagna from 7th as does

> F/M

> > Mars from 6th. Can you see the "ego" problems arising from lagna

> and

> > lagna karaka...certainly Jupiter is afflicted here, of course.

But

> > the issues relating to ego are due to the influence/affliction

of

> > Sun and lagna.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ____________________________

April 25, 2005

Dear Neena,

With debilitated Mercury still afflicted by Rahu whilst (inimically

placed) dispositor Jupiter is afflicted by Ketu, we're all very

brave (or unwise) to continue posting in a public

forum...misunderstandings are sure to arise! Hopefully, when the

heavens are more favourable we'll be better able to appreciate each

other's perspective. In the meantime, my apologies if I've been too

rigid in my own views...the current transits really are not

favourable for good communications, as I'm sure you too have

realised. Let's all try to bear with it (if we can)...things will

surely improve if we give them time :-))

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

__________________________

-Dear Wendy,

If you refer to my original post, I had mentioned that

from 'experience' it is seen that afflicted Jupiter can at the very

least cause ego problems. The aim was not in any way to deride the

shastras.

If anyone is interested in a little bit of research they might wish

to check up this in their experience.

Regards,

Neena

April 25, 2005

Dear Neena ji,

Besides what Wendy has ventilated,I would only say,the Astrology is such a

subject which is not in the hands of Astrolo(ger)gist.Shastras are Shastras and

are beyond mutilation.In practice,the happenings that take place or we see can

not be able to stand in a statistical parlance.So let's accept the final:Say of

Almighty

"The aim was not in any way to deride the

shastras".

Le t me be now a bit bold to say my jupiter is also debiliatated and is also

influenced by Sun's nakshtra.Of my own iam egoistic but when i talk and

communicate people feel iam pleasent.Otherwise for my own betterhalf iam

irreconcilable.when i explored these realities with my own horoscope it was

cluesless and is full of fathomand beyond my comprehension.My Guru has rightly

told do not explore on charts.Accept them as they signify and communicate.You

may be right almost(say80%)but there is still something whcih (Iam) really

vague(to others).So people look (for better) for a second one(gist) who can

really communicate what he wants and expects us to prounounce.This is the field

and is unending.what ever we dig into the subject there is something else we

will not be able to make a mirror view of happenings.That is how wendy is right

when she says transit planets some time make our views confounded.

Thanx

Krishnan

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote:

Dear Neena,

With debilitated Mercury still afflicted by Rahu whilst (inimically

placed) dispositor Jupiter is afflicted by Ketu, we're all very

brave (or unwise) to continue posting in a public

forum...misunderstandings are sure to arise! Hopefully, when the

heavens are more favourable we'll be better able to appreciate each

other's perspective. In the meantime, my apologies if I've been too

rigid in my own views...the current transits really are not

favourable for good communications, as I'm sure you too have

realised. Let's all try to bear with it (if we can)...things will

surely improve if we give them time :-))

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

__________________________

-Dear Wendy,

If you refer to my original post, I had mentioned that

from 'experience' it is seen that afflicted Jupiter can at the very

least cause ego problems. The aim was not in any way to deride the

shastras.

If anyone is interested in a little bit of research they might wish

to check up this in their experience.

Regards,

Neena

April 25, 2005

-Dear Krishnanji,

I hope I have not offended too many people by remarking on the role

of afflicted Jupiter.

Planets have their own story to tell. We are mere human beings

trying to make sense out of things beyond our understanding.

Sometimes even great books give combinations that one has to take

with a pinch of salt.

Long time ago when I started studying the subject of astrology, I

was going through the book Jataka Parijat. In this book there was a

combination given which said that the natives maternal grandmother

would exoire soon after his birth and I found that combination in my

infant son's chart. I spent many a sleepless night taking that

combination to be the gospel truth.

Today by the grace of God my mother is 83+.

This little anecdote I have related only to illustrate how wrong one

can be for there could be so many other factors in a horoscope which

may be the mitigating ones.

But at the same time Let me reiterate that I did not mean to offend

anybody for so many of us maybe having afflicted planets in our

charts.

So shall we let this topic rest ?

Regards,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Neena ji,

> Besides what Wendy has ventilated,I would only say,the Astrology

is such a subject which is not in the hands of Astrolo(ger)

gist.Shastras are Shastras and are beyond mutilation.In practice,the

happenings that take place or we see can not be able to stand in a

statistical parlance.So let's accept the final:Say of Almighty

> "The aim was not in any way to deride the

> shastras".

> Le t me be now a bit bold to say my jupiter is also debiliatated

and is also influenced by Sun's nakshtra.Of my own iam egoistic but

when i talk and communicate people feel iam pleasent.Otherwise for

my own betterhalf iam irreconcilable.when i explored these realities

with my own horoscope it was cluesless and is full of fathomand

beyond my comprehension.My Guru has rightly told do not explore on

charts.Accept them as they signify and communicate.You may be right

almost(say80%)but there is still something whcih (Iam) really vague

(to others).So people look (for better) for a second one(gist) who

can really communicate what he wants and expects us to

prounounce.This is the field and is unending.what ever we dig into

the subject there is something else we will not be able to make a

mirror view of happenings.That is how wendy is right when she says

transit planets some time make our views confounded.

> Thanx

> Krishnan

>

> Wendy Vasicek <wenvas@j...> wrote:

> Dear Neena,

>

> With debilitated Mercury still afflicted by Rahu whilst

(inimically

> placed) dispositor Jupiter is afflicted by Ketu, we're all very

> brave (or unwise) to continue posting in a public

> forum...misunderstandings are sure to arise! Hopefully, when the

> heavens are more favourable we'll be better able to appreciate

each

> other's perspective. In the meantime, my apologies if I've been

too

> rigid in my own views...the current transits really are not

> favourable for good communications, as I'm sure you too have

> realised. Let's all try to bear with it (if we can)...things will

> surely improve if we give them time :-))

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> __________________________

>

> -Dear Wendy,

> If you refer to my original post, I had mentioned that

> from 'experience' it is seen that afflicted Jupiter can at the very

> least cause ego problems. The aim was not in any way to deride the

> shastras.

> If anyone is interested in a little bit of research they might wish

> to check up this in their experience.

> Regards,

> Neena

>

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>

>

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>

April 25, 2005

Dear Neena,

>>Sometimes even great books give combinations that one has to take

with a pinch of salt.

Long time ago when I started studying the subject of astrology, I

was going through the book Jataka Parijat. In this book there was a

combination given which said that the natives maternal grandmother

would exoire soon after his birth and I found that combination in my

infant son's chart. I spent many a sleepless night taking that

combination to be the gospel truth.

Today by the grace of God my mother is 83+.

This little anecdote I have related only to illustrate how wrong one

can be for there could be so many other factors in a horoscope which

may be the mitigating ones.<<

This is an excellent point!

I too have a similar example. Many years ago (actually it was 1990 - I have the

date I purchased the book written on the front cover) I read in "Doctrines of

Suka Nadi Retold". (Rule 8.) 'If the 8th lord is in the 8th house itself while

the 4th lord goes to the 5th house from the ascendant, the native will be

issueless'...this rule was present in my chart. Two more rules followed (which

didn't apply) and were followed by rule 11 which stated that 'Even if there is

obtainment of children in the case of rules 8, 9 or 10, such progeny will

resemble a devil or monkey in appearance'.

Imagine if I had read this before I had my children (both fine looking men by

the way) and before I'd gained the understanding that one needs (always) to

consider many things (karakas etc) before coming to a conclusion about any

bhava.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy