To all members regarding stones .(An article).

Posted August 10, 2005 · August 10, 2005

Salam to all members

I am ali khan from pakistan ,karachi i have seen that many persons on group are

asking about the stones and how to select them so i have written an article on

it hope will be appereciated.

ALI MUHAMMED KHAN

First an explanation of

Anukul / Pratikul

The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing philosophies,

viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

ANUKULA-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should be

chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

PRATIKUL-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems should

be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing one's

auspicious (Anukul) planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own sign, benefic, great

friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based on the concept that lucky

planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are basically two broad categories of

planetary position, viz., favorable (to the chart) (Anukul) OR unfavorable (to

the chart). One should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

"Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable planet.

Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who is exalted (100%

strength) and posited in the 10th house which is all very auspicious. That

person would be advised to use a fine ruby, the Sunís gem, to attract or harness

his auspicious influence. On the other hand if a person had Saturn debilitated

(0% strength) and in the 8th house they would be advised to avoid Saturnís gem

blue sapphire and all other Saturnine things or activities. And better

still they could donate a blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The followers of

Anukul-vad believe that the pratikul-graha color is the unlucky color, and to

magnify that bad color will simply increase the problems caused by that unlucky

Planet. Both methods believe that gems increase cosmic colors of their planets,

thus for an Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to increase a

pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a Pratikul

(harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn as it will surely

increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a Pratikul planet can be used by

DONATING them - giving them AWAY - according to Shastric directions. A pure

anukuli believes that a pratikul-gem is NEVER good to use; it is increasing the

cosmic poison, and ill fortune (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER be

increased. Anukul means a planet that is beneficially disposed either by being

strong in own sign, good house, ruler of houses which will bring positive

results, or otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil influence.

A planet which is good for the chart either naturally or by house ruler ship yet

somewhat weakened by placement may be strengthened through the gem, or a planet

which already is strong and giving benefic influence may be further strengthened

for gains in particular areas of life by wearing the gem.

Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for overcoming a weak or evil planet,

based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious) planet is

strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes from being inauspicious

(pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul). ILLOGIC: By providing the gem for a

malefic planet, benefic results will follow. Example: A person has Jupiter

debilitated and a malefic which is inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing

Jupiter's gem, yellow sapphire or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed

that the 'weak' (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to become

auspicious. Some persons opine that a harmful planet means that the planet's

"cosmic color" is weak. The gems for the planets are concentrated essential

cosmic color rays; so by wearing the gem for the weak, Pratikul (harmful) color

that weak color is strengthened, and when the weak color is stronger then the

harmful influence will be REVERSED, removed or mitigated. Pratikul means

a planet that causes evil influence or suffering to the native as seen through

the horoscope. This may be a debilitated planet who is in a dusthana and enemy

of the lord of the lagna, or otherwise disposed that the influence simply causes

suffering.

Before describing the most popular methods, let me first say that choosing gems

which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart) as well as clean (amala) and

auspicious, these two are a MUST in planetary gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the

prohibition against astrological use of synthetics is the least of all PG evils

as synthetics have no harmful effect because they have NO effect whatsoever. The

most important considerations are Anukul-graha gem choosing and flawless gems -

100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe clean is an acceptable range in our

experience. Always exercise CAUTION with any gem that has clarity below 80%

loupe clean. Very flawed gems are dead due to serious life-ending defects, and

according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even) out of

ignorance, then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of wealth and other evils

torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

When choosing gems we must add up the pluses in a chart. For example, one chart

has Venus exalted in a good house but a malefic for the Lagna and lord of a bad

house, so on the surface we have two pluses and two minuses or "+ + - -" , i.e.,

a good sign placement, a good house placement, but it is unfavorable by nature

for the native, and is lord of a bad house. Another chart might have a

debilitated planet as lord of their Moon sign, that is a benefic for the Lagna,

and in a good house, and lord of a good house, so that means a "- + + +" In the

first example we could rule the planet as borderline unfavorable (pratikul); but

the 2nd case has the planet mostly favorable (anukul) - so that weak, beneficial

planet could be made stronger. A strong anukul planet can also be made even

stronger to attain certain goals, like making an exalted Sun even stronger

because the native desires fame or increase in stature (provided the native HAS

the karma to achieve that, because we cannot do BETTER

than our karma).

Taking this further one could see house ownership, functional nature, periods in

motion, movements of Saturn, Yogini-dashas, as well as aspects, navamsa

positions, etc. to first of all conclude if the planet in question is FAVORABLE

- OR - UNFAVORABLE for the chart, all things considered. It doesn't matter if a

planet is strong or weak, it only matters that the planet is judged as favorable

(anukul-graha) or unfavorable (pratikul-graha). An anukul-graha can always be

strengthened, but a pratikul-graha should never be strengthened

That gems for Pratikul-grahas may be DONATED or GIVEN AWAY in a form of Vedic

charity to achieve Graha-shanti is another subject known as, "Ratna-arpana."

Using gem donations is he ONLY time an UNFAVORABLE planetary gem should be used

by the native - by giving it AWAY. The native should be informed what planets

are most FAVORABLE for them and then the native may choose from among their

Anukul-graha-ratnas or favorable planetary gems.

Adding the plus and minus points to determine which planets are most favorable

to the native enables us to proceed further.

1. First look to the lagna or rising sign and then check the lord of the rising

sign to see if it is in an auspicious condition in the rasi and navamsa charts.

If this is the case then we wholeheartedly prescribe the gemstone ruled by the

lagna's lord. Example: If one has Leo rising we look to the position of the Sun

(Lord of Leo) in the chart. If the Sun is posited in an auspicious sign, e.g.,

sign of exaltation, own sign, trine, or at least a friendly sign, it will act in

a beneficial way. If any of these are the case then we may recommended ruby or

another "Sun jewel" as one's first gem choice. NOTE: If the birth time is

unknown or unsure then skip this method...

A list of the primary rising sign gems is given as follows:

RISING SIGN (Lagna) RULING PLANET GEMSTONE

Aries

Mars

Red Coral

Taurus

Venus

Diamond

Gemini

Mercury

Emerald

Cancer

Moon

Pearl

Leo

Sun

Ruby

Virgo

Mercury

Emerald

Libra

Venus

Diamond

Scorpio

Mars

Coral

Sagittarius

Jupiter

Yellow Sapphire

Capricorn

Saturn

Blue Sapphire

Aquarius

Saturn

Blue Sapphire

Pisces

Jupiter

Yellow Sapphire

2. Next check the position of the planet ruling one's mahadasha or major

planetary period. If this planet is well-placed in the rasi chart then prescribe

that planet's gemstone(s) for use during the duration of the mahadasha period.

Example: If one is in or entering a Jupiter mahadasha and if Jupiter is posited

in an auspicious sign and/or house position (unless otherwise afflicted) then

recommend yellow sapphire or another natural yellow gemstone.

3. Also look to one's birth sign or Moon rasi , i.e., the sign in which the Moon

is posited at the time of one's birth. In sidereal astrology the Moon's sign

position is considered very important. Example: If one's Moon sign is Leo, a

sign ruled by the Sun, then look to the sign and house position of the Sun in

the horoscope. If the Sun is located in an auspicious position in their chart

(unless otherwise afflicted) then one can recommend a ruby or other red Sun

jewel as one's "birth stone."

Here is the list of primary Vedic "birthstones"

BIRTHSTONE

RULING PLANET

MOON SIGN

Ruby

Sun

Leo

Pearl

Moon

Cancer

Coral

Mars

Aries/Scorpio

Emerald

Mercury

Gemini/Virgo

Yellow Sapphire

Jupiter

Sagittarius/Pisces

Diamond

Venus

Taurus/Libra

Blue Sapphire

Saturn

Capricorn/Aquarius

Hessonite

Rahu

N/A

Cat's eye

Ketu

N/A

4. Then check the janma-naksatra or the constellation in which the Moon is

posited at birth. Each of these 27 birth stars is ruled by one of the nine

planets recognized in sidereal astrology. Example: If one's birth constellation

is "punarvasu" (the 7th constellation), which is ruled by Jupiter, then look to

the position of Jupiter in the horoscope. If Jupiter is located in an auspicious

sign and/or house position in the rasi chart (unless otherwise afflicted) then

recommend yellow sapphire or another yellow "Jupiter" jewel.

Following is a list of the 27 constellations, their ruling planet and

corresponding primary gemstone:

BIRTH STAR

RULED BY

GEM

1. ASWINI

Ketu (Moon's South Node)

Cats Eye

2. BHARANI

Venus (Shukra)

Diamond

3. KRTTIKA

Sun (Surya)

Ruby

4. ROHINI

Moon (Chandra)

Pearl

5. MRIGASHIRA

Mars (Mangal)

Coral

6. ADRA

Rahu (Moon's North Node)

Hessonite

7. PUNARVASU

Jupiter (Guru)

Yellow Sapphire

8. PUSHYAM

Saturn (Shani)

Blue Sapphire

9. ASHLESHA

Mercury (Budha)

Emerald

10. MAGHA

Ketu (Moon's South Node)

Cat's Eye

11. POORVA-PHALGUNI

Venus (Shukra)

Diamond

12. UTTAR-PHALGUNI

Sun (Surya)

Ruby

13. HASTA

Moon (Chandra)

Pearl

14. CHITRA

Mars (Mangal)

Coral

15. SWATI

Rahu (Moon's North Node)

Hessonite

16. VISHAKA

Jupiter (Guru)

Yellow Sapphire

17. ANURADHA

Saturn (Shani)

Blue Sapphire

18. JYESTHA

Mercury (Budha)

Emerald

19. MULA

Ketu (Moon's South Node)

Cat's Eye

20. POORVASHADA

Venus (Shukra)

Diamond

21. UTTARSHADA

Sun (Surya)

Ruby

22. SRAVANA

Moon (Chandra)

Pearl

23. DHANISTHA

Mars (Mangal)

Coral

24. SATAVISHA

Rahu (Moon's North Node)

Hessonite

25. POORVABADRAPADA

Jupiter (Guru)

Yellow Sapphire

26. UTTARBHADRAPADA

Saturn (Shani)

Blue Sapphire

27. REVATHI

Mercury (Budha)

Emerald

5. Next examine all the nine planets in the rasi chart to see if any are

exalted. Planets which are in their sign of maximum strength (exaltation) give

positive and beneficial results, and their gemstone(s) may be used with

advantage.

6. Another consideration is sign ownership . A planet which is located in it's

own sign will give beneficial results, and that planet's gem can also be used to

advantage.

7. A further consideration is any planet which is in it's sign of mulatrikona or

trine. A Planet in mulatrikona gives beneficial results similar to an exalted

planet, and their gem(s) may be used to advantage.

8. A planet which is located in a friendly sign can also give beneficial

results, and it's gemstone may be used to advantage.

9. The final consideration is 'preference' based on the characteristic

"planetary influence." Example: If a person wishes to use a Sun jewel like ruby

or red spinel to increase their name and fame, then they can use that stone

provided the person's Sun is not located in an unfriendly or inauspicious sign

and/or house position in their sidereal horoscope.

SPECIAL: Using Planetary Gems by DONATING them. It is our experience that fine,

natural gemstones do indeed "strengthen" or magnify the influence of their

associated planets. Therefore, lucky planets = lucky gems. If a person intends

to wear their lucky gemstone then they should only use gems which are related to

planets that are considered to be "lucky" or posited in an auspicious rasi

(zodiac sign) and/or bhava (house) in their sidereal birth chart. Gemstones do

not alter or change the angle, position or condition in which planets are placed

in one's horoscope. Methods for propitiating or reducing the harmful effects of

evil or malevolently placed planets in one's birth chart include the chanting of

planetary mantras, prescribed sacrifices and charity. These may be performed

along with the use of associated planetary gemstones to help "magnify" the

prayer. A person who is unwilling to perform these meritorious acts should not

use gems for unlucky planets.

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Posted August 11, 2005 · August 11, 2005

Dear Ali,

I'm sure members appreciate your effort in reproducing the following

article (found on http://www.p-g-a.org/meaning.html ).

I would just like to comment on the theory that wearing the gem for

a functional malefic can reverse its malefic influence. This is

completely wrong and one should not entertain such an idea...it's

based entirely on ignorance.

There is no doubt in my mind that gems are capable of uplifting the

vibrations of weak or afflicted benefic (functional benefic)

planets, however, experience has shown that genuine jyotish quality

gems are more often than not "out of reach" for the general

population. Although I once recommended gems as a matter of course I

now believe it's cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford

them...it's no different to a doctor telling someone they can be

cured of their affliction but the treatment will cost thousands of

dollars...telling this to someone who cannot afford it is completely

devoid of compassion.

What is to come will come, regardless, and there is little that can

avert it. I'm reminded of these words attributed to Saint Francis.

"Lord, give me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;

The courage to change the things I can,

and the wisdom to know the difference."

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"Ali muhammed khan" <shams0072000

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:06 AM

To all members regarding stones .(An

article).

Salam to all members

I am ali khan from pakistan ,karachi i have seen that many persons

on group are asking about the stones and how to select them so i

have written an article on it hope will be appereciated.

ALI MUHAMMED KHAN

First an explanation of

Anukul / Pratikul

The Planetary Gemology World is divided into two (2) opposing

philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad:

ANUKULA-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems

should be chosen for Anukul (favorable) grahas

PRATIKUL-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So

gems should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) grahas

Anukul Planet's gem choosing method for resorting to or harnessing

one's auspicious (Anukul) planet(s) (exalted, mulatrikona, own sign,

benefic, great friend, good house, owner of good house, etc.) based

on the concept that lucky planet = lucky gem! In Jyotish there are

basically two broad categories of planetary position, viz.,

favorable (to the chart) (Anukul) OR unfavorable (to the chart). One

should avoid their weakness and cultivate their strengths.

"Ratna-anukul" means the auspicious gem of strongest most desirable

planet. Example: One has Leo Lagna - their lagna lord is Sun, who is

exalted (100% strength) and posited in the 10th house which is all

very auspicious. That person would be advised to use a fine ruby,

the Sunís gem, to attract or harness his auspicious influence. On

the other hand if a person had Saturn debilitated (0% strength) and

in the 8th house they would be advised to avoid Saturnís gem blue

sapphire and all other Saturnine things or activities. And better

still they could donate a blue sapphire to pacify Shanideva. The

followers of Anukul-vad believe that the pratikul-graha color is the

unlucky color, and to magnify that bad color will simply increase

the problems caused by that unlucky Planet. Both methods believe

that gems increase cosmic colors of their planets, thus for an

Anukuli it is considered to be suicide to increase a

pratikul-graha's color. In Anukul there is never a case where a

Pratikul (harmful to the chart/native) planet's gem should be worn

as it will surely increase the ill fortune; but such gems for a

Pratikul planet can be used by DONATING them - giving them AWAY -

according to Shastric directions. A pure anukuli believes that a

pratikul-gem is NEVER good to use; it is increasing the cosmic

poison, and ill fortune (a person's bad cosmic vibes) should NEVER

be increased. Anukul means a planet that is beneficially disposed

either by being strong in own sign, good house, ruler of houses

which will bring positive

results, or otherwise not ill disposed nor inclined to produce evil

influence. A planet which is good for the chart either naturally or

by house ruler ship yet somewhat weakened by placement may be

strengthened through the gem, or a planet which already is strong

and giving benefic influence may be further strengthened for gains

in particular areas of life by wearing the gem.

Pratikul Planet's gem choosing method for overcoming a weak or evil

planet, based on the misconception that a 'pratikul' (inauspicious)

planet is strengthened by wearing it's gem and there by it changes

from being inauspicious (pratikul) to become auspicious (anukul).

ILLOGIC: By providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results

will follow. Example: A person has Jupiter debilitated and a malefic

which is inauspicious or pratikul, but by wearing Jupiter's gem,

yellow sapphire or another yellow Jupiter jewel, it is believed that

the 'weak' (troublesome) Jupiter gets strengthened and REVERSES to

become auspicious. Some persons opine that a harmful planet means

that the planet's "cosmic color" is weak. The gems for the planets

are concentrated essential cosmic color rays; so by wearing the gem

for the weak, Pratikul (harmful) color that weak color is

strengthened, and when the weak color is stronger then the harmful

influence will be REVERSED, removed or mitigated. Pratikul means

a planet that causes evil influence or suffering to the native as

seen through the horoscope. This may be a debilitated planet who is

in a dusthana and enemy of the lord of the lagna, or otherwise

disposed that the influence simply causes suffering.

Before describing the most popular methods, let me first say that

choosing gems which are favorable (Anukul for the native's chart) as

well as clean (amala) and auspicious, these two are a MUST in

planetary gemology. Of the 6 PGA CODES the prohibition against

astrological use of synthetics is the least of all PG evils as

synthetics have no harmful effect because they have NO effect

whatsoever. The most important considerations are Anukul-graha gem

choosing and flawless gems - 100% loupe clean down to 80% loupe

clean is an acceptable range in our experience. Always exercise

CAUTION with any gem that has clarity below 80% loupe clean. Very

flawed gems are dead due to serious life-ending defects, and

according to Shastra, "If anyone wears a gem with many flaws (even)

out of ignorance, then grief, anxiety, sickness, death, loss of

wealth and other evils torment them."--- Sri Garuda Purana:1.70.19

When choosing gems we must add up the pluses in a chart. For

example, one chart has Venus exalted in a good house but a malefic

for the Lagna and lord of a bad house, so on the surface we have two

pluses and two minuses or "+ + - -" , i.e., a good sign placement, a

good house placement, but it is unfavorable by nature for the

native, and is lord of a bad house. Another chart might have a

debilitated planet as lord of their Moon sign, that is a benefic for

the Lagna, and in a good house, and lord of a good house, so that

means a "- + + +" In the first example we could rule the planet as

borderline unfavorable (pratikul); but the 2nd case has the planet

mostly favorable (anukul) - so that weak, beneficial planet could be

made stronger. A strong anukul planet can also be made even stronger

to attain certain goals, like making an exalted Sun even stronger

because the native desires fame or increase in stature (provided the

native HAS the karma to achieve that, because we cannot do BETTER

than our karma).

Taking this further one could see house ownership, functional

nature, periods in motion, movements of Saturn, Yogini-dashas, as

well as aspects, navamsa positions, etc. to first of all conclude if

the planet in question is FAVORABLE - OR - UNFAVORABLE for the

chart, all things considered. It doesn't matter if a planet is

strong or weak, it only matters that the planet is judged as

favorable (anukul-graha) or unfavorable (pratikul-graha). An

anukul-graha can always be strengthened, but a pratikul-graha should

never be strengthened

That gems for Pratikul-grahas may be DONATED or GIVEN AWAY in a form

of Vedic charity to achieve Graha-shanti is another subject known

as, "Ratna-arpana." Using gem donations is he ONLY time an

UNFAVORABLE planetary gem should be used by the native - by giving

it AWAY. The native should be informed what planets are most

FAVORABLE for them and then the native may choose from among their

Anukul-graha-ratnas or favorable planetary gems.

Adding the plus and minus points to determine which planets are most

favorable to the native enables us to proceed further.

1. First look to the lagna or rising sign and then check the lord of

the rising sign to see if it is in an auspicious condition in the

rasi and navamsa charts. If this is the case then we wholeheartedly

prescribe the gemstone ruled by the lagna's lord. Example: If one

has Leo rising we look to the position of the Sun (Lord of Leo) in

the chart. If the Sun is posited in an auspicious sign, e.g., sign

of exaltation, own sign, trine, or at least a friendly sign, it will

act in a beneficial way. If any of these are the case then we may

recommended ruby or another "Sun jewel" as one's first gem choice.

NOTE: If the birth time is unknown or unsure then skip this

method...

2. Next check the position of the planet ruling one's mahadasha or

major planetary period. If this planet is well-placed in the rasi

chart then prescribe that planet's gemstone(s) for use during the

duration of the mahadasha period. Example: If one is in or entering

a Jupiter mahadasha and if Jupiter is posited in an auspicious sign

and/or house position (unless otherwise afflicted) then recommend

yellow sapphire or another natural yellow gemstone.

3. Also look to one's birth sign or Moon rasi , i.e., the sign in

which the Moon is posited at the time of one's birth. In sidereal

astrology the Moon's sign position is considered very important.

Example: If one's Moon sign is Leo, a sign ruled by the Sun, then

look to the sign and house position of the Sun in the horoscope. If

the Sun is located in an auspicious position in their chart (unless

otherwise afflicted) then one can recommend a ruby or other red Sun

jewel as one's "birth stone."

4. Then check the janma-naksatra or the constellation in which the

Moon is posited at birth. Each of these 27 birth stars is ruled by

one of the nine planets recognized in sidereal astrology. Example:

If one's birth constellation is "punarvasu" (the 7th constellation),

which is ruled by Jupiter, then look to the position of Jupiter in

the horoscope. If Jupiter is located in an auspicious sign and/or

house position in the rasi chart (unless otherwise afflicted) then

recommend yellow sapphire or another yellow "Jupiter" jewel.

5. Next examine all the nine planets in the rasi chart to see if any

are exalted. Planets which are in their sign of maximum strength

(exaltation) give positive and beneficial results, and their

gemstone(s) may be used with advantage.

6. Another consideration is sign ownership . A planet which is

located in it's own sign will give beneficial results, and that

planet's gem can also be used to advantage.

7. A further consideration is any planet which is in it's sign of

mulatrikona or trine. A Planet in mulatrikona gives beneficial

results similar to an exalted planet, and their gem(s) may be used

to advantage.

8. A planet which is located in a friendly sign can also give

beneficial results, and it's gemstone may be used to advantage.

9. The final consideration is 'preference' based on the

characteristic "planetary influence." Example: If a person wishes to

use a Sun jewel like ruby or red spinel to increase their name and

fame, then they can use that stone provided the person's Sun is not

located in an unfriendly or inauspicious sign and/or house position

in their sidereal horoscope.

SPECIAL: Using Planetary Gems by DONATING them. It is our

experience that fine, natural gemstones do indeed "strengthen" or

magnify the influence of their associated planets. Therefore, lucky

planets = lucky gems. If a person intends to wear their lucky

gemstone then they should only use gems which are related to planets

that are considered to be "lucky" or posited in an auspicious rasi

(zodiac sign) and/or bhava (house) in their sidereal birth chart.

Gemstones do not alter or change the angle, position or condition in

which planets are placed in one's horoscope. Methods for

propitiating or reducing the harmful effects of evil or malevolently

placed planets in one's birth chart include the chanting of

planetary mantras, prescribed sacrifices and charity. These may be

performed along with the use of associated planetary gemstones to

help "magnify" the prayer. A person who is unwilling to perform

these meritorious acts should not use gems for unlucky planets.

Posted August 11, 2005 · August 11, 2005

Dear Wendy,

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them

for any reason.

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs.

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

Posted August 11, 2005 · August 11, 2005

Dear Juliana,

Apart from affordability,I have seen that many people rush to only those

Astrologers who will suggest for gemstones.They may not seek fee for

consulatations but will have commission from the Gem traders.

Due to negative impact of Gems many people have become ill and unexpectedly got

in to tragic situations.let me brief you one incident:

One of my Secretary,a young lady(around 30s) used to wear Yellow saphire on her

middle finguer(Saturn) and I noticed one day abruptly and quipped her why she

was wearing the gem on her middle finguer and told her that she should change

it.She said that some Astrologer told that she should wear on that finguer.Then

I kept quite.May be after 3rd or 4th day (after my talk with her) all of a

sudden some body brought the news that her husband committed suicide at a place

far off from her work place.

When I just reviewed the whole thing intuitively,It appeared to me that she must

be belonging to virgo sign and her fourth is sagittarus and 7th is

pisces.ofcourse I have not seen her chart

I think her mars is in libra in 12 th.

Her husband used to run a real easte business and was well off.They had two

young children in successive years.

Apart from yellow saphire she used to wear a diamond and a pearl.It was very

striking to me something wrong with these kind of supplimentaries and have not

found a need for all these Gems.Astrologers some how prescribe and people out of

innocence buy them hoping for better things to happen in their lives.It is not

just one incident I came across but sevaral.

Some how I do not wear nor suggest the need for wearing stones/Gems.Even if some

body suggests also to me i think twice.I believe simply in some some

chantings,prayers and worship besides normal way of taking care of have nots.of

course some colour codes for dresses and in the environment where they live and

work.

These practices have helped me immensely and also to others to whom I have given

advise.So my faith in these forms of remedies is immense than in Gems.

krishnan

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

I agree that "gems are capable of uplifting the vibrations of weak

or afflicted benefic (functional benefic) planets...[but that] it's

cruel to recommend them to those who cannot afford them." I have

found what may be an interesting solution to this dilemma, for

people who cannot afford Jyotish gems or do not wish to wear them

for any reason.

For example, I have some combinations in my own chart that have

caused me to lose and break expensive Jyotish prescribed gems again

and again. Komilla Sutton told me that this is ultimately a good

thing, because the gems are taking karmas with them when

they "disappear." Swami Muktananda used to say something

similar about japa/mala beads breaking. The breaking and/or loss of

gems and malas can indicate the end of an old cycle of karma and the

beginning of a new one, just as breaking clear glass may signify the

appearance of a new paradigm in one's life.

Anyway, I have been using gem elixirs as a substitute for gems, with

some success. I find that the elixirs have a lighter vibration than

the actual gems, so they can even be used to harmonize the energy of

temporal malefics, in certain cases.

For anyone interested, the gem elixirs I use are made my Dr. Lilli

Botchis at:

http://www.absolutelythepurest.com/other%

20parts/gemelixershome.html

I am eager to hear of others' ideas and experiences with gem elixirs.

Thanks,

Juliana Swanson

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Posted August 11, 2005 · August 11, 2005

The message is most appropriate:What is to come will come, regardless, and there

is little that can avert it. I'm reminded of these words attributed to Saint

Francis.

At this point you will not go beyond to convince them on this subject.

Regards

krishnan

Wendy Vasicek <wenvas wrote: