Temporal relationships-Wendy-ji and other members

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for your guidance with this. I read your post and the slokas,

and now I need to ask another question, as I am still plodding

through this.

 

Are you saying that temporal relationships are best used to

determine the strength of a planet in a particular bhava vis-a-vis

the relationship between the planet and its dispositor?

 

So for example, in an Aries chart with Moon in Leo in the 5th house

and the Sun in Sagittarius in the 9th house, and the Sun and Moon

become temporal enemies (5/9) but remain natural friends, this

relationship may detract somewhat from the Sun's strength as the

relationship becomes neutral (natural friendship+temporal

enmity=neutral relationship).

 

If I were looking at this chart, all other factors being equal, I

would probably ignore the temporal enmity and look at this

relationship as strong and supportive to the Sun and the Moon,

because I have it in my mind that 5/9= trine=auspicious, and the Sun

and Moon are friends in auspicious houses. Maybe I need to rethink

this in regard to the temporal relationship scheme?

 

Thanks very much for your help,

Juliana

[Guest guest]

Dear Juliana,

 

You Wrote:

Are you saying that temporal relationships are best used to

determine the strength of a planet in a particular bhava vis-a-vis

the relationship between the planet and its dispositor?

 

Response:

We say that a planet is in the SIGN of a great friend or a bitter

enemy (whatever) according to the relationship between the planet

and the lord of the sign (house) it occupies...this relationship is

unique to a given horoscope as per the temporary relationship

between the planet and the lord of the house it occupies.

 

You Wrote:

So for example, in an Aries chart with Moon in Leo in the 5th house

and the Sun in Sagittarius in the 9th house, and the Sun and Moon

become temporal enemies (5/9) but remain natural friends, this

relationship may detract somewhat from the Sun's strength as the

relationship becomes neutral (natural friendship+temporal

enmity=neutral relationship).

 

Response:

In this instance Moon is neither in the sign of an enemy nor a

friend...neutral - not good, not bad. Moon has rented out a house

belonging to Sun and we could interpret this as a landlord who is

indifferent...won't hinder Moon's occupancy of that house, but won't

go out of his way to be helpful either.

 

On the other hand, the affairs of this house are greatly benefited

with its lord in 9th. We might perhaps compare this to renting an

ordinary or dilapidated house or renting a bright, cheery or opulent

house. Either way the owner of that house is neutral. It's the

strength of Moon itself in that particular house...whether it's

comfortable enough to function well (without hindrance, or not)

that's decided through the friendship scheme. The placement of the

lord of that house in an auspicious or inauspicious house is another

matter, don't you agree?

 

You Wrote:

If I were looking at this chart, all other factors being equal, I

would probably ignore the temporal enmity and look at this

relationship as strong and supportive to the Sun and the Moon,

because I have it in my mind that 5/9= trine=auspicious, and the Sun

and Moon are friends in auspicious houses. Maybe I need to rethink

this in regard to the temporal relationship scheme?

 

Response:

See above :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

[Guest guest]

PS: I might just expand on this a little with an example. A native

has 4th lord in 7th in sign of a bitter (or great) enemy. Without

doubt the native's spouse is intolerant (inimical) towards the

native's mother who is extremely uncomfortable in that house.

_____________________________

 

 

Dear Juliana,

 

You Wrote:

Are you saying that temporal relationships are best used to

determine the strength of a planet in a particular bhava vis-a-vis

the relationship between the planet and its dispositor?

 

Response:

We say that a planet is in the SIGN of a great friend or a bitter

enemy (whatever) according to the relationship between the planet

and the lord of the sign (house) it occupies...this relationship is

unique to a given horoscope as per the temporary relationship

between the planet and the lord of the house it occupies.

 

You Wrote:

So for example, in an Aries chart with Moon in Leo in the 5th house

and the Sun in Sagittarius in the 9th house, and the Sun and Moon

become temporal enemies (5/9) but remain natural friends, this

relationship may detract somewhat from the Sun's strength as the

relationship becomes neutral (natural friendship+temporal

enmity=neutral relationship).

 

Response:

In this instance Moon is neither in the sign of an enemy nor a

friend...neutral - not good, not bad. Moon has rented out a house

belonging to Sun and we could interpret this as a landlord who is

indifferent...won't hinder Moon's occupancy of that house, but won't

go out of his way to be helpful either.

 

On the other hand, the affairs of this house are greatly benefited

with its lord in 9th. We might perhaps compare this to renting an

ordinary or dilapidated house or renting a bright, cheery or opulent

house. Either way the owner of that house is neutral. It's the

strength of Moon itself in that particular house...whether it's

comfortable enough to function well (without hindrance, or not)

that's decided through the friendship scheme. The placement of the

lord of that house in an auspicious or inauspicious house is another

matter, don't you agree?

 

You Wrote:

If I were looking at this chart, all other factors being equal, I

would probably ignore the temporal enmity and look at this

relationship as strong and supportive to the Sun and the Moon,

because I have it in my mind that 5/9= trine=auspicious, and the Sun

and Moon are friends in auspicious houses. Maybe I need to rethink

this in regard to the temporal relationship scheme?

 

Response:

See above :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

[Guest guest]

Actually I could phrase that better by saying, due to hindrance from

spouse, 4th lord's aspect (relationship) to native himself is

greatly hindered.

______________________________

 

PS: I might just expand on this a little with an example. A native

has 4th lord in 7th in sign of a bitter (or great) enemy. Without

doubt the native's spouse is intolerant (inimical) towards the

native's mother who is extremely uncomfortable in that house.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Juliana and others,

In the scheme of Houses and Planets(with two different groups),certainly there

are natural friends,natural enemies and,temporary friends and enemies and

interestingly neutrals.Thus Jupiter and Saturn become mutually enemies and

friends based on the position of palnets.So the option of temporarary enemity

between two auspicious houses(though relation with regard planets have no

bearing) become temporary enemies.

One point how ever no cognisnace is given to the relation of planets positioned

in 1 and 7houses.Like 5 and 9 they are also enemies (tempoary) as 4 and 10(two

other kendras) are tempoarary friends.

This should now make clear realtionships that what ever may be internal

relationships with in the palnets(between groups),this realtionships gets

moderated to a state of temporary enemity(between 5and9 and 1 and 7 houses)

>From extreem positions of friendship the swing is temporay,neutral and extreem

enimity.This is how advent of compound relations in to 5 types has come in to

existence.This is most essential as the houses and plants together act and

define good or bad

krishnan

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Wendy,

 

Thanks for your guidance with this. I read your post and the slokas,

and now I need to ask another question, as I am still plodding

through this.

 

Are you saying that temporal relationships are best used to

determine the strength of a planet in a particular bhava vis-a-vis

the relationship between the planet and its dispositor?

 

So for example, in an Aries chart with Moon in Leo in the 5th house

and the Sun in Sagittarius in the 9th house, and the Sun and Moon

become temporal enemies (5/9) but remain natural friends, this

relationship may detract somewhat from the Sun's strength as the

relationship becomes neutral (natural friendship+temporal

enmity=neutral relationship).

 

If I were looking at this chart, all other factors being equal, I

would probably ignore the temporal enmity and look at this

relationship as strong and supportive to the Sun and the Moon,

because I have it in my mind that 5/9= trine=auspicious, and the Sun

and Moon are friends in auspicious houses. Maybe I need to rethink

this in regard to the temporal relationship scheme?

 

Thanks very much for your help,

Juliana

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Krishnan and Wendy,

 

Thanks for attempting to illuminate this controversial topic for is.

It appears that relationships among planets are at least as complex as

those among us humans!

 

Namaste,

Juliana

[Guest guest]

Dear Juliana,

 

Planets at least assume some form of divinity and give grace to humans.we

mishandle and make more complex than planets.

regards

krishnan

Juliana Swanson <omhamsa wrote:

Dear Krishnan and Wendy,

 

Thanks for attempting to illuminate this controversial topic for is.

It appears that relationships among planets are at least as complex as

those among us humans!

 

Namaste,

Juliana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web.

 

jyotish-vidya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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