Guest guest Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Wendy ji, I am writing this at around 11 PM [iST] on Dec 24 2005. As I write this, I feel sorry for you because, not only do you have to suffer from agony concerning your son, but also because this has happened at the time of Christmas. But, God's grace, they say, works in mysterious ways. Does He want you to spend time in silent contemplation of Him? Who knows what He is thinking? Even Jyotish students like us, who are claimed to be able to read the mind of God, cannot always fathom His thoughts! I had a look at your son's chart (David Gault; 29 Oct 1965; 10:01 AM; Warrnambool, Australia; 38s23, 142e29, 10:00 East, no DST). I'm sure that you would have already looked at it, and I don't know if there is anything I can add to it. However, let me try. He is running Chandra Dasa - Surya Bukti - Sani Antar. Chandra rules the lungs, Sani the respiratory system, and Surya rules bones, and all these things are reflected in the current scenario. Aspect of 8th lord on 4th lord Guru [lungs] could also be causing the problems. I'm sure that you and the doctors know about his condition far better than me, so let me concentrate on something else - religion. You have said that your son is not a believer in God's grace, but, think about it, could this not be some form of a turning point for him? I somehow got this feeling because in my own case, it was a motorbike accident (of course, it was not a very serious accident) that turned me religious. Let's look at some points that might support this argument: * The lord of the 3rd fortifies the 3rd by occupying it. The 3rd deals with initiation into spiritual practices. If you give him the CD with the Navagraha stotrams, he may listen to it and slowly turn religions. * Sani and Kuja can never be called the best of friends, but in this case, Kuja's moolatrikona falls in the 5th, so his aspects will be benefic. The mutual aspects between Kuja [Poorva Punya and Moksha] and Sani [religion] might imply accidents [Kuja] leading to religious beliefs [sani, Kuja's 5th and 12th house ownerships]. * Your son has Ketu in the 12th in both Rasi and Navamsa. * In Rasi, the lord of the 12th occupies his own house and strengthens it. * Guru, the natural karaka for religion, is aspecting Dasanatha Chandra, Buktinatha Surya, and Antar Natha Sani. * While 9th lord Surya is Neecha and apparently (to my knowledge) doesn't get any Neecha Bhanga, Chandra is Uccha in Navamsa and occupies the nakshatra of Moksha Karaka Ketu. * Your son will start Budha Antar from end-Dec, and Budha occupies the 12th in Rasi, the 9th in Navamsa, and is in the star of Guru. * In Jan, your son will start Ketu Antar, and Ketu is strong in Rasi because his dispositor occupies own house. In Navamsa, Ketu's dispositor is Uccha in the benefic 5th. I know that I may be looking too much at the positive side of things. But, I pray that my words come true. Even if your son doesn't turn religious, I pray that he recovers fully, and thereby frees you from your agonies. May God use this opportunity to depict His infinite grace! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Dear Balaji, I'll respond to your reading when I can.. Thank you for taking the time :-) My husband is about to take my computer apart to see if he can find any loose wires (or anything else that looks like it might be out of place). I shudder at the thought as there's no one on this earth who knows less about computers than he does - but he's good at fixing most other things, so I've decided to let him have a go. Hopefully we can get the darn thing running properly again, at the moment I'm having to reboot continuously - very annoying! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 26, 2005 12:16 PM Wendy ji - Reading of your son Wendy ji, I am writing this at around 11 PM [iST] on Dec 24 2005. As I write this, I feel sorry for you because, not only do you have to suffer from agony concerning your son, but also because this has happened at the time of Christmas. But, God's grace, they say, works in mysterious ways. Does He want you to spend time in silent contemplation of Him? Who knows what He is thinking? Even Jyotish students like us, who are claimed to be able to read the mind of God, cannot always fathom His thoughts! I had a look at your son's chart (David Gault; 29 Oct 1965; 10:01 AM; Warrnambool, Australia; 38s23, 142e29, 10:00 East, no DST). I'm sure that you would have already looked at it, and I don't know if there is anything I can add to it. However, let me try. He is running Chandra Dasa - Surya Bukti - Sani Antar. Chandra rules the lungs, Sani the respiratory system, and Surya rules bones, and all these things are reflected in the current scenario. Aspect of 8th lord on 4th lord Guru [lungs] could also be causing the problems. I'm sure that you and the doctors know about his condition far better than me, so let me concentrate on something else - religion. You have said that your son is not a believer in God's grace, but, think about it, could this not be some form of a turning point for him? I somehow got this feeling because in my own case, it was a motorbike accident (of course, it was not a very serious accident) that turned me religious. Let's look at some points that might support this argument: * The lord of the 3rd fortifies the 3rd by occupying it. The 3rd deals with initiation into spiritual practices. If you give him the CD with the Navagraha stotrams, he may listen to it and slowly turn religions. * Sani and Kuja can never be called the best of friends, but in this case, Kuja's moolatrikona falls in the 5th, so his aspects will be benefic. The mutual aspects between Kuja [Poorva Punya and Moksha] and Sani [religion] might imply accidents [Kuja] leading to religious beliefs [sani, Kuja's 5th and 12th house ownerships]. * Your son has Ketu in the 12th in both Rasi and Navamsa. * In Rasi, the lord of the 12th occupies his own house and strengthens it. * Guru, the natural karaka for religion, is aspecting Dasanatha Chandra, Buktinatha Surya, and Antar Natha Sani. * While 9th lord Surya is Neecha and apparently (to my knowledge) doesn't get any Neecha Bhanga, Chandra is Uccha in Navamsa and occupies the nakshatra of Moksha Karaka Ketu. * Your son will start Budha Antar from end-Dec, and Budha occupies the 12th in Rasi, the 9th in Navamsa, and is in the star of Guru. * In Jan, your son will start Ketu Antar, and Ketu is strong in Rasi because his dispositor occupies own house. In Navamsa, Ketu's dispositor is Uccha in the benefic 5th. I know that I may be looking too much at the positive side of things. But, I pray that my words come true. Even if your son doesn't turn religious, I pray that he recovers fully, and thereby frees you from your agonies. May God use this opportunity to depict His infinite grace! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 Dear Balaji, You Wrote: *You have said that your son is not a believer in God's grace, but, think about it, could this not be some form of a turning point for him? I somehow got this feeling because in my own case, it was a motorbike accident (of course, it was not a very serious accident) that turned me religious.* That potential was there for you always with lagnesh Mercury conjunct 5th lord Venus in 9th house of religion whilst karaka for 9th occupies 8th house, indicating that you seek knowledge of the occult (past and future events etc). For David, 9th lord Sun is fallen in 11th house of materialism whilst karaka for 9th (lagnesh Jupiter) occupies 7th house of partners (trade/commerce etc)... Asc/4th lord aspecting Asc from 7th; he lives and breathes his business...this is what he believes in. Note 4th shows our confidence and belief, general happiness etc.. For you Asc/4th lord sits in 9th house of religion. * The lord of the 3rd fortifies the 3rd by occupying it. The 3rd deals with initiation into spiritual practices. If you give him the CD with the Navagraha stotrams, he may listen to it and slowly turn religions.* My apologies Balaji, I seem to have run out of steam...feeling a little sluggish, I'm afraid, so will leave this here for now. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji <jyotish-vidya> Monday, December 26, 2005 12:16 PM Wendy ji - Reading of your son * Sani and Kuja can never be called the best of friends, but in this case, Kuja's moolatrikona falls in the 5th, so his aspects will be benefic. The mutual aspects between Kuja [Poorva Punya and Moksha] and Sani [religion] might imply accidents [Kuja] leading to religious beliefs [sani, Kuja's 5th and 12th house ownerships]. * Your son has Ketu in the 12th in both Rasi and Navamsa. * In Rasi, the lord of the 12th occupies his own house and strengthens it. * Guru, the natural karaka for religion, is aspecting Dasanatha Chandra, Buktinatha Surya, and Antar Natha Sani. * While 9th lord Surya is Neecha and apparently (to my knowledge) doesn't get any Neecha Bhanga, Chandra is Uccha in Navamsa and occupies the nakshatra of Moksha Karaka Ketu. * Your son will start Budha Antar from end-Dec, and Budha occupies the 12th in Rasi, the 9th in Navamsa, and is in the star of Guru. * In Jan, your son will start Ketu Antar, and Ketu is strong in Rasi because his dispositor occupies own house. In Navamsa, Ketu's dispositor is Uccha in the benefic 5th. I know that I may be looking too much at the positive side of things. But, I pray that my words come true. Even if your son doesn't turn religious, I pray that he recovers fully, and thereby frees you from your agonies. May God use this opportunity to depict His infinite grace! ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Wendy ji, <<<For David, 9th lord Sun is fallen in 11th house of materialism whilst karaka for 9th (lagnesh Jupiter) occupies 7th house of partners (trade/commerce etc)... Asc/4th lord aspecting Asc from 7th; he lives and breathes his business...this is what he believes in.>>> Does this mean that your son has completely closed the doors on religion? Is there ANY hope that he will one day turn religious? I'm sorry to have got the whole thing wrong - you see, on 24 Dec, I was in a merry mood, celebrating Christmas with friends in the office. Then, I got the Jyotish Vidya list mail, and I was shocked to hear about your son. I felt quite bad for you because, though you have done so much to help so many people, you were still forced to spend Christmas in sorrow. Driving back home, I somehow felt that, if this was the turning point from a religious angle, then it would be good - as a fan of Ketu and Sani, I like the concept of sorrows leading to divinity. I saw David's chart in the same mood - looks like my thoughts have colored my judgement! We see what we want to see! Maybe, if time permits, you could explore David's chart from a religious perspective one of these days. ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Dear Balaji, You Wrote: *Does this mean that your son has completely closed the doors on religion? Is there ANY hope that he will one day turn religious?* Certainly we can say he's not strongly disposed towards any organised religion (9th house). But perhaps we should consider the indications in 12th, along with Vimshamsha, considering he will soon commence dasa of 12th lord Mars (Mar 11 2006). 5th lord Mars, in own sign in 12th, is hemmed-in by Ketu on one side and Gulika on the other. Lagna lord's dispositor and lord of 7th, in nakshatra of lagna lord itself, is inimicably placed in this house as is Venus (karaka for 7th)...all are aspected by F/M Saturn, the planet of renunciation.. There is the possibility of great conflict with a shift towards self-awareness (moksha). His spouse and career/status will suffer, I'm afraid and he may travel afar, abandoning all these things in search of 'Self'...this is one possibility. The other is that his tendency (already) towards intoxicants will overwhelm him...either way, I see difficulties ahead. Parashara tells us that if Gulika is in 12th, the native will indulge in base deeds, be sinful, defective-limbed, unfortunate, indolent, and will join mean people. My own view is that all these things, desire for self-awareness along with other miseries will present him with a steep hill to climb. But he's strong and has tremendous fortitude and courage. I don't see that he would ever become religious (in the true sense) but certainly the desire for self-awareness will be there. Consider U.G. Krishnamurti who, although once on the religious path to enlightenment, turned away from it completely before he gained enlightenment...and is still strongly opposed to religion. *I felt quite bad for you because, though you have done so much to help so many people, you were still forced to spend Christmas in sorrow.* Actually Christmas is not the best time of year for me with 8th lord Sun transiting 12th house. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Wendy ji, <<<There is the possibility of great conflict with a shift towards self-awareness (moksha).>>> Yes! I was quite confident that there would be some spark of hope somewhere! <<< His spouse and career/status will suffer, I'm afraid and he may travel afar, abandoning all these things in search of 'Self'...this is one possibility. The other is that his tendency (already) towards intoxicants will overwhelm him>>> Well, I hope that the former fructifies, not the latter! I have always liked links between the 5th and the 12th - such cases seem to imply poorva punya [5th house] leading to moksha [12th house], with the current birth acting as the conduit between the two. <<<My own view is that all these things, desire for self-awareness along with other miseries will present him with a steep hill to climb.>>> >From a spiritual point of view, is this not good, Wendy ji? From sin is born suffering, from suffering springs prayer, and prayer leads to enlightment and liberation. Please note that I'm not trying to oppose your analysis regarding David's chart - specifically, presence of 9th lord in 11 and 4th lord in 7 - but, my point is that we need to keep alive the hopes of spirituality, no matter how slim it might seem at times. Don't worry about David's intoxicants habit, Wendy ji - once upon a time, for 14 months [end of 1992 - end of 1993], I was myself an alcoholic, consuming no less than 8 large whiskeys every day, with the count going up to 17 large pegs (24 hours in a day - and I was asleep the remaining 7 hours!) at times. In fact, at that time, my chief claim to fame was that I had drunk 21 year old Chivas Brothers Royal Salute while I was still just 20 years old! Thankfully, I have put that phase behind me, and have been a teatotaller since Jan 1 1994. BTW, how has his recovery been from a medical perspective? Is he out of pain and danger of pneumonia? ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Dear Balaji, You Wrote: *Don't worry about David's intoxicants habit, Wendy ji - once upon a time, for 14 months [end of 1992 - end of 1993], I was myself an alcoholic, consuming no less than 8 large whiskeys every day, with the count going up to 17 large pegs (24 hours in a day - and I was asleep the remaining 7 hours!) at times. In fact, at that time, my chief claim to fame was that I had drunk 21 year old Chivas Brothers Royal Salute while I was still just 20 years old! Thankfully, I have put that phase behind me, and have been a teatotaller since Jan 1 1994.* This is not uncommon and can be easily understood when we consider the nature of 12th - the house of loss! This encompasses all losses including loss of boundaries...geographical boundaries, boundaries of consciousness (moksha) etc.. Truthfully, the renuncient and the alcoholic are both seeking to go beyond the normal boundaries of consciousness. My opinion is that, if the rest of the chart indicates it, one will seek unbounded awareness through religious practices etc., whilst another may become trapped on the downward path of intoxicants. Some will have both experiences and through grace will come to realise the futility of (artificial) intoxication. But both are (ultimately) seeking the same escape from this (so-called) reality we find ourselves in. *BTW, how has his recovery been from a medical perspective? Is he out of pain and danger of pneumonia?* He's still in a lot of pain, but this will pass. The risk of pneumonia is not a great concern so long as he does his deep breathing exercises. The broken rib seems to be giving him the most trouble...he starts physiotherapy next week which should help. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2005 Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 DEAR WENDY JI Well I just visted this forum after a long time and I was shocked to hear about your Son's accident. Well I pray to LORD SHIVA, who is also THE MAHAMRITUNJAYA to provide your son good health, since your are such a nice person. I think you can also chant THE MAHAMRITUNJAYA MANTRA every morning on his behalf and I have found that this mantra generates some real positive vibrations and thoughts, when chanted just even 11 times/day. ( I met another Australian Astrologer(forgot his name) few years ago who mentioned in some email that he chanted this very mantara thousands of time, while his client was undergoing surgery some where in australia... unfortunately he had to be removed from surgery room while he was chanting the mantara but he continued it outside the surgery room and he sincerely believes that it saved his client from major health problems...I was amazed to see his confidence in the mantara)..Take care and all the best...Regards...RMK. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > Dear Balaji, > > You Wrote: > *Don't worry about David's intoxicants habit, Wendy ji - once > upon a time, for 14 months [end of 1992 - end of 1993], I was > myself an alcoholic, consuming no less than 8 large whiskeys > every day, with the count going up to 17 large pegs (24 hours in > a day - and I was asleep the remaining 7 hours!) at times. In > fact, at that time, my chief claim to fame was that I had drunk > 21 year old Chivas Brothers Royal Salute while I was still just > 20 years old! Thankfully, I have put that phase behind me, and > have been a teatotaller since Jan 1 1994.* > > This is not uncommon and can be easily understood when we consider > the nature of 12th - the house of loss! This encompasses all losses > including loss of boundaries...geographical boundaries, boundaries > of > consciousness (moksha) etc.. Truthfully, the renuncient and the > alcoholic are both seeking to go beyond the normal boundaries of > consciousness. My opinion is that, if the rest of the chart > indicates it, one will seek unbounded awareness through religious > practices etc., whilst another may become trapped on the downward > path of intoxicants. Some will have both experiences and through > grace will come to realise the futility of (artificial) > intoxication. But both are (ultimately) seeking the same escape from > this (so-called) reality we find ourselves in. > > *BTW, how has his recovery been from a medical perspective? Is he > out of pain and danger of pneumonia?* > > He's still in a lot of pain, but this will pass. The risk of > pneumonia is not a great concern so long as he does his deep > breathing exercises. The broken rib seems to be giving him the most > trouble...he starts physiotherapy next week which should help. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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