Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy, Thank you for this email, I find it very interesting and I can see how all those disruptions can affect people who have them in their charts. Makes a lot of sense for many of the charts I have studied. In my case, as you know, I have Saturn debilitated in 12th from Moon, but I feel that at night when the Moon is at its brightest things improve for me. Would you say this is possible or maybe it is just an impression because I do know that other than the Sun it would probably not make sense for the other planets, let alone Saturn, but I do have Moon in the Sun Nakshatra and the Sun in my chart is the 8th lord, so could it be that things improve only because the Sun at night has less power? Thank you for your comments, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Vijay, You Wrote: //I feel Saturn and Moon Relation will bring stubborness rather than common sense and if Mars and lagna is involved,it will add to it. But mars and moon combination gives logical mind.// Common-sense dictates that Saturn's lordship will be the decisive factor - one size definitely does not fit all! The favourable aspect between Moon and Mars bestows excellent physical and emotional strength - an unfavourable aspect makes one moody and quarrelsome. //All the unblemished planets attribute to comman sense .// This is true (only) in that unblemished planets contribute to the horoscope as a whole. However their relationship with Moon is an important consideration. //Moon in Duradhar yoga gives the native balance mind second attribute to comman-sense.// Certainly Moon isolated in a chart is not good for one's emotional well-being. However, common-sense must be exercised when ascertaining the results due to this (or any) yoga. Take a little time to think of the (possible) results of Moon in Leo, flanked by debilitated Mars in Cancer and debilitated Venus in Virgo...all yogas need careful scrutiny! I include here an extract from Ernst Wilhelm's book, "Core Yogas" DISRUPTIONS TO LUNAR YOGAS There are several conditions that hamper or disrupt the beneficial effects of these three important Lunar Yogas: 1. The effects of Anapha, Sunapha, and Durudhara Yogas are less if the Moon is weak by having less than 20 virupas of paksha bala. This occurs when the Moon is within a 60-degree orb of the Sun. In this event, the Moon has little light. The light of the Moon indicates the receptive ability of the Moon; when it is less the Moon gains less from the planets forming the Anapha, Sunapha or Durudhara Yoga. 2. The beneficial effects of these yogas are lessened and some difficulties crop in when the Moon is in conjunction with Rahu or Ketu. Rahu or Ketu hamper the natural receptive qualities of the Moon which then reduces the beneficial influences the planets in the 2nd or 12th from the Moon may have. Rahu is worse than Ketu and distorts the pure qualities of the planets in the 2nd and 12th from the Moon, while Ketu introverts the Moon, which makes it less receptive and less influenced by external factors. In fact, Ketu's union with the Moon indicates very strong past life conditioning that is influenced only very slightly by current experiences. 3. The beneficial effects of these yogas are also lessened and some difficulties crop in if Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon. Rahu has a slightly cloudy and disruptive influence on the rasi it has just passed through, which is the 2nd rasi from Rahu. Rahu is said to create smoke, this "smoke" hovers over the last rasi Rahu has crossed. When Rahu is in the 12th from the Moon, therefore, the qualities of any of the other planets that the Moon is receptive to are somewhat distorted, but to a much lesser degree than when the Moon is actually conjunct Rahu. 4. If a planet forming one of these yogas is combust, then that planet no longer purely influences the Moon. A combust planet becomes angry, and has a sense of failure. These tendencies will then influence the Moon and the mind will, therefore, be prone to anger, frustration and weakness relative to the combust planet. 5. If a planet forming one of these yogas is debilitated, then that planet will influence the Moon and, therefore, the mind, with stress relevant to the difficulties of the debilitated planet. A debilitated planet will actually serve to stress the native and scar their subconscious, the result being a weakness relevant to the planet rather than strength. Mars debilitated indicates that the native is weak in their ideas and, therefore, has trouble moving forward with their ideas. Mercury debilitated indicates that the native has not assimilated the information and knowledge indicated by Mercury in a way that can practically benefit them. Jupiter debilitated indicates that the native has only been conditioned by beliefs that do not serve to give them a sense of meaning or purpose. Venus debilitated indicates that the native has only been conditioned in a way that prevents them from recognizing the true worth or value of things and opportunities in life, thereby causing them to make decisions that prove wasteful of time, energy, money or which are emotionally draining. Saturn debilitated indicates that the native has suffered stress that has harmed their self-esteem and which does nothing, therefore, to strengthen them. Though the yoga effects of any yogas that the debilitated planet may be forming are empowered, the mind will suffer a greater amount of stress than if the debilitated planet was elsewhere. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Rui, Will have a look at this later...about to sit down for my evening meal :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "RPM" <rupamede <jyotish-vidya> Friday, January 06, 2006 5:30 PM The Moon at Night Dear Mrs Wendy, Thank you for this email, I find it very interesting and I can see how all those disruptions can affect people who have them in their charts. Makes a lot of sense for many of the charts I have studied. In my case, as you know, I have Saturn debilitated in 12th from Moon, but I feel that at night when the Moon is at its brightest things improve for me. Would you say this is possible or maybe it is just an impression because I do know that other than the Sun it would probably not make sense for the other planets, let alone Saturn, but I do have Moon in the Sun Nakshatra and the Sun in my chart is the 8th lord, so could it be that things improve only because the Sun at night has less power? Thank you for your comments, Rui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy, I was reading some other emails in the list where you mention some health problems (I was not fully aware of) and I see you are doing or have done the Venus mantra today, so I hope things have improved and that you are feeling better now. Perhaps I should be doing the Moon mantra on Mondays, especially this year when I start the Ra-Moon bukthi. And maybe I should be wearing a special gem - I am looking into that anyway, so maybe at a later stage I will ask you if you think wearing this or that stone would be advisable, but I would not like to be taking your time too much with that. It is unquestionable that my Moon is weak by degree and it is hemmed between Saturn and the Sun, plus in the Sun Nakshatra, but it is still exalted - would this exaltation still have a very benefic impact being it only the early degrees of Taurus? My opinion is that even if the Moon was in Aries or Gemini, still this Moon would be stronger than if it was before (Libra) or after (Sagittarius) its debilitation in Scorpio since the Moon would be waxing/waning so maybe (and this is just an opinion) the closer it is to Taurus the stronger it is. Of course, there are other indications to be seen in the chart, I just wonder how big an impact would the exaltation have together with all those other factors. I wish you a good weekend and hope you have had a nice meal :-) Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Rui, Will have a look at this later...about to sit down for my evening meal :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "RPM" <rupamede <jyotish-vidya> Friday, January 06, 2006 5:30 PM The Moon at Night Dear Mrs Wendy, Thank you for this email, I find it very interesting and I can see how all those disruptions can affect people who have them in their charts. Makes a lot of sense for many of the charts I have studied. In my case, as you know, I have Saturn debilitated in 12th from Moon, but I feel that at night when the Moon is at its brightest things improve for me. Would you say this is possible or maybe it is just an impression because I do know that other than the Sun it would probably not make sense for the other planets, let alone Saturn, but I do have Moon in the Sun Nakshatra and the Sun in my chart is the 8th lord, so could it be that things improve only because the Sun at night has less power? Thank you for your comments, Rui. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Rui, You Wrote: //It is unquestionable that my Moon is weak by degree and it is hemmed between Saturn and the Sun, plus in the Sun Nakshatra, but it is still exalted - would this exaltation still have a very benefic impact being it only the early degrees of Taurus? My opinion is that even if the Moon was in Aries or Gemini, still this Moon would be stronger than if it was before (Libra) or after (Sagittarius) its debilitation in Scorpio since the Moon would be waxing/waning so maybe (and this is just an opinion) the closer it is to Taurus the stronger it is. Of course, there are other indications to be seen in the chart, I just wonder how big an impact would the exaltation have together with all those other factors.// Yes, Moon in sign of exaltation (in 5th) conjunct YogaKaraka Venus is a big plus :-) //In my case, as you know, I have Saturn debilitated in 12th from Moon, but I feel that at night when the Moon is at its brightest things improve for me.// According to the dictums of jyotish, we take steps to strengthen a weak or afflicted planet.. Either by wearing its gem (which few of us can afford) or by recitation of the appropriate mantra etc. We do these things in order to strengthen the vibration, the quality of that planet within us. It stands to reason then, that, as Moon is more visible at night, the vibration of Moon (within us) will also increase. I experience this on a full-Moon night when the mind is so awake (active) I find it very difficult to fall asleep. //I was reading some other emails in the list where you mention some health problems (I was not fully aware of) and I see you are doing or have done the Venus mantra today, so I hope things have improved and that you are feeling better now.// Chronic illness is an ongoing thing that worsens during certain periods. I then have to make a conscious effort to lessen the impact by use of mantras etc.. But this is not a new thing for me, I've learnt to manage it as best I can :-) //Perhaps I should be doing the Moon mantra on Mondays, especially this year when I start the Ra-Moon bukthi. And maybe I should be wearing a special gem - I am looking into that anyway, so maybe at a later stage I will ask you if you think wearing this or that stone would be advisable, but I would not like to be taking your time too much with that.// Sometimes the relationship between the planets can be rather complicated and care must be taken before adopting any remedial measure. We can talk more about this later as it's a lengthy topic. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hi, >From the dictates of ancient chinese traditions, probably born out of astronomical and astrological studies, to the recent research of lunar positions during sea waves and other phenomenon - we are certain that the moon affects everything during its period of waxing (positive)and waning (negative)and also the full moon nights. This is basic. But what is of note is the question of how and when will it affect a native who has a debilitated moon and is running the maha dasha or the bhukti. This I have checked with my chart and another one. Firstly what house the moon transits and if at that time its waning-that will determine whether it will have its shine on the native or it frowns upon the native causing delays. Only delays, is what its capable of because it CANNOT SUSTAIN because of its fast transits. There is no credence to the 'moon being better at night'. There is so much more I have on this topic but I will spare you. Regards, Fraser jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > Dear Rui, > > You Wrote: > //It is unquestionable that my Moon is weak by degree and it is > hemmed between Saturn and the Sun, plus in the Sun Nakshatra, but it > is still exalted - would this exaltation still have a very benefic > impact being it only the early degrees of Taurus? My opinion is that > even if the Moon was in Aries or Gemini, still this Moon would be > stronger than if it was before (Libra) or after (Sagittarius) its > debilitation in Scorpio since the Moon would be waxing/waning so > maybe (and this is just an opinion) the closer it is to Taurus the > stronger it is. Of course, there are other indications to be seen in > the chart, I just wonder how big an impact would the exaltation have > together with all those other factors.// > > Yes, Moon in sign of exaltation (in 5th) conjunct YogaKaraka Venus > is a big plus :-) > > //In my case, as you know, I have Saturn debilitated in 12th from > Moon, but I feel that at night when the Moon is at its brightest > things improve for me.// > > According to the dictums of jyotish, we take steps to strengthen a > weak or afflicted planet.. Either by wearing its gem (which few of > us can afford) or by recitation of the appropriate mantra etc. We do > these things in order to strengthen the vibration, the quality of > that planet within us. It stands to reason then, that, as Moon is > more visible at night, the vibration of Moon (within us) will also > increase. I experience this on a full-Moon night when the mind is so > awake (active) I find it very difficult to fall asleep. > > //I was reading some other emails in the list where you mention some > health problems (I was not fully aware of) and I see you are doing > or have done the Venus mantra today, so I hope things have improved > and that you are feeling better now.// > > Chronic illness is an ongoing thing that worsens during certain > periods. I then have to make a conscious effort to lessen the impact > by use of mantras etc.. But this is not a new thing for me, I've > learnt to manage it as best I can :-) > > //Perhaps I should be doing the Moon mantra on Mondays, especially > this year when I start the Ra-Moon bukthi. And maybe I should be > wearing a special gem - I am looking into that anyway, so maybe at a > later stage I will ask you if you think wearing this or that stone > would be advisable, but I would not like to be taking your time too > much with that.// > > Sometimes the relationship between the planets can be rather > complicated and care must be taken before adopting any remedial > measure. We can talk more about this later as it's a lengthy topic. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 //There is no credence to the 'moon being better at night'. There is so much more I have on this topic but I will spare you.// BPHS Ch.3: 36-38 "strong during night are the Moon, Mars, and Saturn while Mercury is strong during day and night. The rest (i.e. Jupiter, the Sun, and Venus) are strong only in day time." Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "fraser" <thevehicle23 <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:44 AM Re: The Moon at Night Hi, >From the dictates of ancient chinese traditions, probably born out of astronomical and astrological studies, to the recent research of lunar positions during sea waves and other phenomenon - we are certain that the moon affects everything during its period of waxing (positive)and waning (negative)and also the full moon nights. This is basic. But what is of note is the question of how and when will it affect a native who has a debilitated moon and is running the maha dasha or the bhukti. This I have checked with my chart and another one. Firstly what house the moon transits and if at that time its waning-that will determine whether it will have its shine on the native or it frowns upon the native causing delays. Only delays, is what its capable of because it CANNOT SUSTAIN because of its fast transits. There is no credence to the 'moon being better at night'. There is so much more I have on this topic but I will spare you. Regards, Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hi, With all due respect to your knowledge base, and I don't know why but I do have respect for you. Remember at all times, that much is lost in translation and that has given rise to contradictions and inconsistency. They still don't have it together about, if Saturn is Malefic or Benefic, and what it really stands for. Put 10 noted astrologers in a room and you will have 11 versions of Saturn. Do I blame anyone ? NO !! Try to compare Phala Deepika with some other classical line of thought and discipline and what do we have ? opposing dictates ! I am sticking to "no credence to the 'moon being better at night'". I thank you for your time and patience. Regards, Fraser jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > //There is no credence to the 'moon being better at night'. > There is so much more I have on this topic but I will spare you.// > > BPHS Ch.3: 36-38 > "strong during night are the Moon, Mars, and Saturn while Mercury is > strong during day and night. The rest (i.e. Jupiter, the Sun, and > Venus) are strong only in day time." > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > - > "fraser" <thevehicle23> > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:44 AM > Re: The Moon at Night > > > Hi, > From the dictates of ancient chinese traditions, probably born out > of > astronomical and astrological studies, to the recent research of > lunar positions during sea waves and other phenomenon - we are > certain that the moon affects everything during its period of waxing > (positive)and waning (negative)and also the full moon nights. This > is > basic. But what is of note is the question of how and when will it > affect a native who has a debilitated moon and is running the maha > dasha or the bhukti. This I have checked with my chart and another > one. Firstly what house the moon transits and if at that time its > waning-that will determine whether it will have its shine on the > native or it frowns upon the native causing delays. Only delays, is > what its capable of because it CANNOT SUSTAIN because of its fast > transits. There is no credence to the 'moon being better at night'. > There is so much more I have on this topic but I will spare you. > Regards, > Fraser > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Fraser, You Wrote: //I am sticking to "no credence to the 'moon being better at night'".// It's not a matter of Moon being "better" at night, but rather Moon being stronger. It's a well known fact that people with mental illness are often worse during the night...ask any psychiatric nurse! Statistics also reveal that most deadly house fires in America occur during the night, between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. Source: United States Fire Administration (USFA). Mars, as we know, is a significator for fire. Of course this has to be indicated in the horoscope...as does mental illness. People with chronic pain (Saturn) reportedly suffer more during the night... But, of course, you're entitled to deny these facts just as you're entitled to deny the information given in BPHS...this is your prerogative. This is not the first derogative post you've put forward, Fraser...the other was in regards to George Bush's chart. I have no doubt your (obvious) hostility is due to the fact that your (below) post was not responded to. jyotish-vidya, "fraser" <thevehicle23> wrote: hello Mrs. Wendy + list, Three astrologers have told me 3 different things. could someone here put things in perspective for me, please. Is there a new romance on the cards in early 2006? DOB:23Aug1958 TOB: 07:43:55AM PLACE:Bombay, INDIA. Thanks, Fraser _________ I have just taken a quick look at your chart and noted that both dasa and bhukti lords are badly placed in the 4th house. As this house governs our happiness and contentment, it's natural that you would be feeling some loneliness from the lack of affection and anxious to know if/when romance might come into your life. Your Venus PD, dispositor of 5th lord Jupiter and Rahu, begins Feb 21 at which time Venus should be aspecting your ascendant from 7th house, if I'm not mistaken. Certainly the indications for romantic liaison are there (at first glance). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "fraser" <thevehicle23 <jyotish-vidya> Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:34 AM Re: The Moon at Night Hi, With all due respect to your knowledge base, and I don't know why but I do have respect for you. Remember at all times, that much is lost in translation and that has given rise to contradictions and inconsistency. They still don't have it together about, if Saturn is Malefic or Benefic, and what it really stands for. Put 10 noted astrologers in a room and you will have 11 versions of Saturn. Do I blame anyone ? NO !! Try to compare Phala Deepika with some other classical line of thought and discipline and what do we have ? opposing dictates ! I am sticking to "no credence to the 'moon being better at night'". I thank you for your time and patience. Regards, Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Dear Wendy, you wrote://This is not the first derogative post you've put forward, Fraser...the other was in regards to George Bush's chart. I have no doubt your (obvious) hostility is due to the fact that your (below) post was not responded to.// You may ask me to NOT post on this forum, if that is what you would like, but nothing in any of my posts was derogatory. Just like you, I too have a right to my opinions and observations. Just because I don't agree with you, it does not suggest that it's 'derogatory'. You reactions to K. N. Rao's delineations of the pope's chart, were received by me with a correct and healthy attitude. That is called giving another's opinion a fair chance. As regards 'hostility', due to the fact that my post was not responded to, I urge you to read the first line of that post again. Here it is, "Three astrologers have told me 3 different things...." I was looking forward to hearing your views. I fail to see, why not receiving a fourth version of my prospects, would make me hostile. Anyway, thank you for the fourth version. It's on the same lines as one of the first three, I had got. Thanks, for the bone you threw me. I guess that should make me less hostile. Let me repeat,- you may ask me to NOT post on this forum, if that is what you would like, but nothing in any of my posts was derogatory. I am tempted to hand you a line in closing, but I shall restrain myself. O lady, a gentleman am I ! Fraser. jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...> wrote: > > Dear Fraser, > > You Wrote: > //I am sticking to "no credence to the 'moon being better at > night'".// > > It's not a matter of Moon being "better" at night, but rather Moon > being stronger. It's a well known fact that people with mental > illness are often worse during the night...ask any psychiatric > nurse! > > Statistics also reveal that most deadly house fires in America occur > during the night, between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. Source: United States > Fire Administration (USFA). Mars, as we know, is a significator for > fire. Of course this has to be indicated in the horoscope...as does > mental illness. > > People with chronic pain (Saturn) reportedly suffer more during the > night... But, of course, you're entitled to deny these facts just as > you're entitled to deny the information given in BPHS...this is your > prerogative. > > This is not the first derogative post you've put forward, > Fraser...the other was in regards to George Bush's chart. I have no > doubt your (obvious) hostility is due to the fact that your (below) > post was not responded to. > > jyotish-vidya, "fraser" <thevehicle23> > wrote: > > hello Mrs. Wendy + list, > Three astrologers have told me 3 different things. could someone > here > put things in perspective for me, please. Is there a new romance on > the cards in early 2006? DOB:23Aug1958 TOB: 07:43:55AM PLACE:Bombay, > INDIA. > Thanks, > Fraser > _________ > > I have just taken a quick look at your chart and noted that both > dasa and bhukti lords are badly placed in the 4th house. As this > house governs our happiness and contentment, it's natural that you > would be feeling some loneliness from the lack of affection and > anxious to know if/when romance might come into your life. > > Your Venus PD, dispositor of 5th lord Jupiter and Rahu, begins Feb > 21 at which time Venus should be aspecting your ascendant from 7th > house, if I'm not mistaken. Certainly the indications for romantic > liaison are there (at first glance). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "fraser" <thevehicle23> > <jyotish-vidya> > Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:34 AM > Re: The Moon at Night > > Hi, > With all due respect to your knowledge base, and I don't know why > but I do have respect for you. > Remember at all times, that much is lost in translation and that has > given rise to contradictions and inconsistency. They still don't > have it together about, if Saturn is Malefic or Benefic, and what it > really stands for. Put 10 noted astrologers in a room and you will > have 11 versions of Saturn. Do I blame anyone ? NO !! Try to compare > Phala Deepika with some other classical line of thought and > discipline and what do we have ? opposing dictates ! > I am sticking to "no credence to the 'moon being better at night'". > I thank you for your time and patience. > Regards, > Fraser > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 //Let me repeat,- you may ask me to NOT post on this forum, if that is what you would like, but nothing in any of my posts was derogatory. I am tempted to hand you a line in closing, but I shall restrain myself. O lady, a gentleman am I !// This attitude is not derogative? C'mon, Fraser! //You may ask me to NOT post on this forum, if that is what you would like, but nothing in any of my posts was derogatory. Just like you, I too have a right to my opinions and observations.// You certainly do have a right to your opinion? However, on this forum, I expect that opinion to be based on sound knowledge. Parashara has laid down the rules concerning the strength of planets which, to the best of my understanding, apply equally to gochara. This you choose to dispute without offering any logical argument. If you back your argument with sound reason I'll listen but I won't be swayed with hostility.. //As regards 'hostility', due to the fact that my post was not responded to, I urge you to read the first line of that post again. Here it is, "Three astrologers have told me 3 different things...." I was looking forward to hearing your views.// My views are best solicited with open discussion. //Thanks, for the bone you threw me. I guess that should make me less hostile.// Obviously it didn't :-( However, my comment on your chart was prompted solely by the fact that (after looking at MO/SA conjunction in 4th) I sympathised with how difficult this current period must be for you, and thought I might open a door for communication. But I think we should leave it here now, Fraser...I have no wish to get into a slinging match with you. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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