12th lord in 4th house

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Dear Nilesh and all,

 

Namaste

 

Nilesh, thank you for your response

 

To switch the topic somewhat- I read that you moved to the US

during Surya's dasa.

 

My friend's chart also has 12th lord Surya in the 4th house. And

she has moved to the US from her native country as well. She moved

during Chandra dasa. In her chart Chandra sits in 12th house Simha,

Surya's house. Her birth data is 12/26/1953 1:00AM in Taipei,

Taiwan.

 

Anyway, it would seem 12th lord in the 4th house certainly can

indicate that the native may make a home in a foreign country.

 

I checked Parashara has said about 12th in 4th:

 

"136. If the 12th lord is in the 4th, the native will be devoid of

maternal happiness and will day by day accrue losses in respect of

lands, conveyances, and houses."

 

You said "the Sun dasa was trying as I sent me to US without much

pay and away from family", this goes with what Parashara has stated,

but other factors in your chart must mitigate Parashara's statement

greatly.

 

For my friend, however, the effects of 12th lord in the 4th were

felt greatly. As her Mom did not express love for her through out

her life, and was in fact somewhat cruel. Growing up, her home

experienced multiple floods. Later in life, in the US, she

experienced loss of home as her husband kicked her and her son out

of the house and divorced.

 

I think some of that has to due with not only 12th lord in 4th, but

also Chandra (a karaka of 4th house significations) being in the

12th house w/o any aspect on it, Sukra (another karaka of 4th house

significations) being very weak in the 4th (at 1 degree), a strong

influence of Sani on the 4th (Sani is exalted and associates with

8th lord Mangala). As well as just a pretty severe 2nd house with

exalted Sani and 8th lord Mangala. It was right around the

commencement of Mangala dasa that she was kicked out of her home.

 

However, through her strong determination and hard work she has

really done quite well and now owns her own home. And she has one

friend who, although she was in a different country and couldn't

offer support in person, helped her out greatly by mailing her a

single check for a large sum of money after she found out about her

being kicked out of her home. It certainly was a severe hardship,

but she feels it was all for the better and her life now is better

than it was prior to going through the hardship.

I think all of that is indicated mostly by the exalted Sani in 2nd

with its aspect on the 4th.

 

As well as benefic influenes on 3rd house indicating positive use of

self-effort.

 

Overall, once she started living by herself, she has steadily

progressed materially by hard work & very careful

spending /management of wealth. Certainly that is indicated by

exalted Sani in 2nd.

 

Take it easy,

Sean

 

 

jyotish-vidya, "Nilesh Joshi"

<niljoshi27> wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,Sean and all,

>

> Thanks for the information about Gulika.

>

> Uttara,

>

> You are right about the mental aspect presently esp with the fact

> that mars is in aries with a mutual As such my moon is afflicted

> leading to depressions and bad memorising skills.

>

> May I know the site from where I can download the software.

>

>

> Sean,

>

> Ya I am happily married (with its small share of fights with my

> wife ): ) and have a daughter of 6 years ( Kind of settled early

in

> life and had a early child.)

> It is a nice surprise to know that Gulika is not badly placed

though

> the nakshatra of ashlesa is not the best of nakshatras.

> I have seen charts with moon in cancer if it is in the nakshatra

of

> Ashlesa the native will of tendency of deceipt and lying.

> I feel the parivartan between Venus and Saturn is good as well

from

> the prosperity point of view.

> The Sun dasa was trying as I sent me to US without much pay and

away

> from family.

> The moon dasa has been better so far in terms of self earned

wealth

> and property.

>

>

> Best Regards

>

> Nilesh

>

>

>

>

> -- In jyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly"

> <toosean> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Gulika is not badly placed in the 11th -

> >

> > Parashara: "72. If Gulika is in the 11th, the native will enjoy

> > women of class, be a leader of men, be helpful to his relatives,

> be

> > short in stature, and be an emperor."

> >

> > Like everything else, I guess it shouldn't be taken in

isolation.

> >

> > But it is always nice when the classics have something positive

to

> > say about the placement of Gulika in your chart

> >

> > Based on BPHS it looks the 3rd, 6th, 10th, and 11th houses are

the

> > most auspicious houses for Gulika.

> >

> > See http://jyotishvidya.com/ch25.htm for more info.

> >

> > Nilesh, it looks like you may have a good wife and children? I

am

> a

> > novice, having only looked at a few charts, but it looks like

> yours

> > indicates good family relationships.

> >

> > 7th lord Guru and lagnesh Budha associating in the 3rd, Guru

> > exchanges houses with, and aspects Mangala who is in the 7th.

> This

> > seems indicate a good, strong marriage. Rahu w/ Venus in 5th,

> plus

> > karaka Guru & Budha forming good yogas w/ 5th lord Sani seem to

> > indicate some children.

> >

> > I guess Sani as 5th lord & aspecting Guru could delay somewhat &

> > temper the above statements, same thing with 8th lord Mangala in

> the

> > 7th. But I still think the indications are there for a strong,

> good

> > family (wife & children).

> >

> > Please let me know if I am way off or not?

> >

> > Take it easy,

> > Sean

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni"

> > <muttaraphalguni> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nilesh,

> > >

> > > Given the birth details: Your Gulika is poisted in your 11th

> hse

> > of

> > > Cancer along with Ketu. Gulika's 24* nashshatra is Ashlesha

and

> > > Ketu's 13* nashastra is Pushya. Cancer as you know is ruled

by

> > > Moon. Your Moon is in eight hse Aries 3* with its nakshatra

at

> > > Ashwini.

> > >

> > > i use Jagannatha Hora 7.02 software to find Gulika and such.

It

> > is

> > > recently available for free downlaod. Parashara software does

> the

> > > same calculations as others.

> > >

> > > Gulika is known as the shadow of saturn or to others as its

> little

> > > brother - so is Mandi (Md). One would then appreciate that

> gulika

> > > acts like Saturn (maybe not its full strenght) but a saturn

> type

> > of

> > > figure.

> > >

> > > Given that transiting Saturn is currently over the your 11th

hse

> > > until mid 2007 and is currently aspected by transiting Mars in

> > Aries

> > > in the eight hse would bring to mind a dusthana type of

feeling.

> > >

> > > Mars, though is due to move from Aries to Taurus 2/4/2006 - or

> > there

> > > abouts.

> > >

> > > Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > What are your thoughts?

> > >

> > > Uttara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya, "Nilesh Joshi"

> > > <niljoshi27> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > I read about the Gulika in the recent posts.However I have

> never

> > > > studied about it.Please can I know more about it.

> > > > Also the software that I have for horscopes doesnot

delineate

> > > Gulika.

> > > > May I know where is it located in my horoscope and what are

> its

> > > > implications.

> > > >

> > > > My birth details are as follows,

> > > >

> > > > DOB:27.12.1971

> > > > TOB:12.30 am

> > > > Place of Birth:Mumbai

> > > >

> > > > Lagna - Virgo

> > > > Moon - Aries ,Aswini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards

> > > >

> > > > Nilesh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>