Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 dear all, Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based on the arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries based on the combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= native is often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house resided by saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated information on arudha lagna The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with arudha lagna and other arudha houses. regards, kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Dear Kishore, If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha Lagna and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear from learned members on this topic. In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from various areas. I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a few available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search might help you. Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary reflection or projection of the person from the house that it occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a very cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable with others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting 5th house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. Where as in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true Lagna in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey and indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of communications.. So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the true personality charaterizations of a person. Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way until you got to know them better and understood who they really are projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart delineation, where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines in the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In other words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for authenticity. Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in ignorance. For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna in 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a Jamini chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within combination to a parashara chart. Hope this helps a little Urrara :-) jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > dear all, > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based on the > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries based on the > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= native is > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house resided by > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated information on > arudha lagna > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with arudha > lagna and other arudha houses. > > regards, > > > kishore patnaik > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Dear All, Namaste Is Arudha Lagna the same as Lagna Pada? It looks that way at first glance and if this is so then Parashara does cover this topic in BPHS Chapter 29 & 30. >From BPHS Chapter 29 (Bhava Padas): "1-3. METHOD OF PADA CALCULATIONS: O Brahmin, I shall now tell you about the Padas (or Arudhas) for bhavas and planets as well, as laid down by the earlier great sages. The Pada of the ascendant will correspond to the sign arrived at by counting so many signs from the ascendant lord as he is away from the ascendant. Similarly Padas for other houses be known through their lords. The word "Pada" exclusively denotes the Pada for the ascendant (or Lagna Pada)." Thanks, Sean jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha Lagna > and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. > > This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear from > learned members on this topic. > > In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from various > areas. > > I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a few > available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search > might help you. > > Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary > reflection or projection of the person from the house that it > occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a very > cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable with > others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting 5th > house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. Where as > in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true Lagna > in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey and > indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements > aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of > communications.. > > So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that > others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other > planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the true > personality charaterizations of a person. > > Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way until > you got to know them better and understood who they really are > projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. > > Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart delineation, > where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines in > the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In other > words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for > authenticity. > > Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be > mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in ignorance. > For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna in > 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna > Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. > > I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a > parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a Jamini > chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within > combination to a parashara chart. > > Hope this helps a little > > Urrara :-) > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" > <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > > > dear all, > > > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based on the > > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries based on > the > > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= native > is > > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house resided by > > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated information > on > > arudha lagna > > > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with > arudha > > lagna and other arudha houses. > > > > regards, > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Hi Sean, >From what i have been told - so take it with a lack of true knowledge on my part - is that there are many Jamini techinques that have been mixed into the Parasahra through the years of intrepatation and translations. But should not be used together. I beleive Wendy has mentioned this in the past. I would like to get a clearer understanding of this too. I think mixing the two at least from what I understand, is often troubling for the basic knowledge of accurate interpetation of a chart. Uttara :-) jyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Namaste > > Is Arudha Lagna the same as Lagna Pada? It looks that way at first > glance and if this is so then Parashara does cover this topic in > BPHS Chapter 29 & 30. > > From BPHS Chapter 29 (Bhava Padas): > > "1-3. METHOD OF PADA CALCULATIONS: > O Brahmin, I shall now tell you about the Padas (or Arudhas) for > bhavas and planets as well, as laid down by the earlier great sages. > The Pada of the ascendant will correspond to the sign arrived at by > counting so many signs from the ascendant lord as he is away from > the ascendant. Similarly Padas for other houses be known through > their lords. The word "Pada" exclusively denotes the Pada for the > ascendant (or Lagna Pada)." > > Thanks, > Sean > > jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" > <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha > Lagna > > and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. > > > > This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear > from > > learned members on this topic. > > > > In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from various > > areas. > > > > I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a few > > available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search > > might help you. > > > > Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary > > reflection or projection of the person from the house that it > > occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a very > > cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable with > > others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting 5th > > house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. Where > as > > in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true Lagna > > in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey > and > > indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements > > aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of > > communications.. > > > > So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that > > others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other > > planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the true > > personality charaterizations of a person. > > > > Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way > until > > you got to know them better and understood who they really are > > projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. > > > > Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart delineation, > > where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines > in > > the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In > other > > words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for > > authenticity. > > > > Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be > > mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in > ignorance. > > For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna in > > 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna > > Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. > > > > I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a > > parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a > Jamini > > chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within > > combination to a parashara chart. > > > > Hope this helps a little > > > > Urrara :-) > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based on > the > > > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries based > on > > the > > > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= > native > > is > > > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house resided > by > > > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > > > > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated > information > > on > > > arudha lagna > > > > > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with > > arudha > > > lagna and other arudha houses. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 P.s. On the home page of Jyotish-Vidya forum here. Wendy has an excellant explanation of the two systems and techniques for further evaluation. Uttara :-) jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > Hi Sean, > > From what i have been told - so take it with a lack of true > knowledge on my part - is that there are many Jamini techinques that > have been mixed into the Parasahra through the years of > intrepatation and translations. But should not be used together. > I beleive Wendy has mentioned this in the past. > > I would like to get a clearer understanding of this too. > > I think mixing the two at least from what I understand, is often > troubling for the basic knowledge of accurate interpetation of a > chart. > > Uttara :-) > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly" > <toosean> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste > > > > Is Arudha Lagna the same as Lagna Pada? It looks that way at > first > > glance and if this is so then Parashara does cover this topic in > > BPHS Chapter 29 & 30. > > > > From BPHS Chapter 29 (Bhava Padas): > > > > "1-3. METHOD OF PADA CALCULATIONS: > > O Brahmin, I shall now tell you about the Padas (or Arudhas) for > > bhavas and planets as well, as laid down by the earlier great > sages. > > The Pada of the ascendant will correspond to the sign arrived at > by > > counting so many signs from the ascendant lord as he is away from > > the ascendant. Similarly Padas for other houses be known through > > their lords. The word "Pada" exclusively denotes the Pada for the > > ascendant (or Lagna Pada)." > > > > Thanks, > > Sean > > > > jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" > > <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha > > Lagna > > > and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. > > > > > > This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear > > from > > > learned members on this topic. > > > > > > In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from > various > > > areas. > > > > > > I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a > few > > > available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search > > > might help you. > > > > > > Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary > > > reflection or projection of the person from the house that it > > > occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a > very > > > cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable > with > > > others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting > 5th > > > house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. > Where > > as > > > in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true > Lagna > > > in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey > > and > > > indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements > > > aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of > > > communications.. > > > > > > So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that > > > others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other > > > planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the > true > > > personality charaterizations of a person. > > > > > > Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way > > until > > > you got to know them better and understood who they really are > > > projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. > > > > > > Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart > delineation, > > > where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines > > in > > > the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In > > other > > > words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for > > > authenticity. > > > > > > Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be > > > mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in > > ignorance. > > > For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna > in > > > 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna > > > Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. > > > > > > I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a > > > parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a > > Jamini > > > chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within > > > combination to a parashara chart. > > > > > > Hope this helps a little > > > > > > Urrara :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" > > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based > on > > the > > > > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries > based > > on > > > the > > > > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= > > native > > > is > > > > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house > resided > > by > > > > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > > > > > > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated > > information > > > on > > > > arudha lagna > > > > > > > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with > > > arudha > > > > lagna and other arudha houses. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 thnx for your mail and you are right. Lagna and arudha lagna are like those window panes in johari window. Kishore patnaik jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > Dear Kishore, > > If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha Lagna > and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. > > This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear from > learned members on this topic. > > In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from various > areas. > > I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a few > available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search > might help you. > > Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary > reflection or projection of the person from the house that it > occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a very > cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable with > others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting 5th > house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. Where as > in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true Lagna > in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey and > indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements > aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of > communications.. > > So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that > others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other > planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the true > personality charaterizations of a person. > > Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way until > you got to know them better and understood who they really are > projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. > > Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart delineation, > where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines in > the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In other > words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for > authenticity. > > Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be > mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in ignorance. > For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna in > 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna > Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. > > I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a > parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a Jamini > chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within > combination to a parashara chart. > > Hope this helps a little > > Urrara :-) > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" > <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > > > dear all, > > > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based on the > > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries based on > the > > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= native > is > > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house resided by > > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated information > on > > arudha lagna > > > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with > arudha > > lagna and other arudha houses. > > > > regards, > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Dear Uttara, OK, Thanks for the information. I guess the chapter on Karakamsa is Jaimini as well? Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > Hi Sean, > > From what i have been told - so take it with a lack of true > knowledge on my part - is that there are many Jamini techinques that > have been mixed into the Parasahra through the years of > intrepatation and translations. But should not be used together. > I beleive Wendy has mentioned this in the past. > > I would like to get a clearer understanding of this too. > > I think mixing the two at least from what I understand, is often > troubling for the basic knowledge of accurate interpetation of a > chart. > > Uttara :-) > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly" > <toosean> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Namaste > > > > Is Arudha Lagna the same as Lagna Pada? It looks that way at > first > > glance and if this is so then Parashara does cover this topic in > > BPHS Chapter 29 & 30. > > > > From BPHS Chapter 29 (Bhava Padas): > > > > "1-3. METHOD OF PADA CALCULATIONS: > > O Brahmin, I shall now tell you about the Padas (or Arudhas) for > > bhavas and planets as well, as laid down by the earlier great > sages. > > The Pada of the ascendant will correspond to the sign arrived at > by > > counting so many signs from the ascendant lord as he is away from > > the ascendant. Similarly Padas for other houses be known through > > their lords. The word "Pada" exclusively denotes the Pada for the > > ascendant (or Lagna Pada)." > > > > Thanks, > > Sean > > > > jyotish-vidya, "muttaraphalguni" > > <muttaraphalguni> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kishore, > > > > > > If I may - bring my two cents to the topic - I believe Arudha > > Lagna > > > and the other arudhas are Jamini techniques vs. Parashara. > > > > > > This is a very interesting subject and I too would like to hear > > from > > > learned members on this topic. > > > > > > In the meantime, I can share what little I have read from > various > > > areas. > > > > > > I do not have any books exclusively on Jamini but there are a > few > > > available. A good one I beleive is from India?? A Google search > > > might help you. > > > > > > Anyway, from what I understand, Arudhas are an illusionary > > > reflection or projection of the person from the house that it > > > occupies. For instances. Arudha Lagna could be placed in a > very > > > cogenial house and sign that is very gargarious and amendable > with > > > others. Say 11th house Cancer with exhalted Jupiter aspecting > 5th > > > house from Jupiter, Scorpio/Mar house of creative identity. > Where > > as > > > in reality or shall one say in private - the birthchart true > Lagna > > > in 8th hse Aries/Ma with Saturn, would be one who is very firey > > and > > > indifferent with restrictive narrow opinions and judgements > > > aspecting the third house from Saturn, Gemini/Mer house of > > > communications.. > > > > > > So I think Arudhas are the surface projections of a person, that > > > others see and interpet. Where as, where the Lagna and other > > > planets are placed and their effects in a birth chart are the > true > > > personality charaterizations of a person. > > > > > > Have you ever met someone and thought their Lagna was one way > > until > > > you got to know them better and understood who they really are > > > projecting? That's Arudha lagna vs Lagna of self. > > > > > > Too, as you have written, as everything else in chart > delineation, > > > where the Arudha Lagna is placed and how it effects or combines > > in > > > the rest of the chart, needs to be taken into great detail. In > > other > > > words, there is not one arudha that can stand on its own for > > > authenticity. > > > > > > Jamini and Parashara are different techniques and should not be > > > mixed. However, I have done this vary thing myself in > > ignorance. > > > For instances; applying a jamini technique of say Arudha Lagna > in > > > 8th hse with Saturn ruled by Mars against a 1st house Lagna > > > Virgo/Mer with Jupiter. > > > > > > I really don't know how to read a Jamini Arudha chart vs. a > > > parasara chart in delineation or rather, how the arudhas in a > > Jamini > > > chart technique stand on their own without comparison or within > > > combination to a parashara chart. > > > > > > Hope this helps a little > > > > > > Urrara :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan" > > > <kishore_future@i...> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > Very important and systematic conclusions can be drawn based > on > > the > > > > arudha lagna.I have seen people have replied the querries > based > > on > > > the > > > > combinations of arudha lagna. (eg: ketu resides in arudha= > > native > > > is > > > > often misunderstood, A6 and A12 falls in the same house > resided > > by > > > > saturn will lead to the person leading a life of bachelor etc) > > > > > > > > But to my dismay, I have never found any consolidated > > information > > > on > > > > arudha lagna > > > > > > > > The group may kindly enlighten me on any books that deal with > > > arudha > > > > lagna and other arudha houses. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > kishore patnaik > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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