Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 dear group 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for that house to flourish or give full results 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is weak ( fortune is weak, will not have enough at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge loses ) 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will come out of debt if 3ird is strong (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give much wealth 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden wealth and inheritance 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th house karma bhave supports ascend or self so 10th house from any house will support that house for good or bad results 10 house always be looked at regs jiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 -- Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from 4th influence these houses? - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > dear group > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for that house to flourish or give full results > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is weak ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge loses ) > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give much wealth > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden wealth and inheritance > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th house karma bhave supports ascend or self > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good or bad results 10 > > house always be looked at > > regs jiger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 -- Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from 4th influence these houses? - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > dear group > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for that house to flourish or give full results > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is weak ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge loses ) > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give much wealth > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden wealth and inheritance > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th house karma bhave supports ascend or self > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good or bad results 10 > > house always be looked at > > regs jiger > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from 10th. 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th from 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms and ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > -- > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from > 4th influence these houses? > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > wrote: > > > > dear group > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is weak > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > loses ) > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > much wealth > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden > wealth and inheritance > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th house > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good or > bad results 10 > > > > house always be looked at > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Just to add, 2nd is 10th from 5th. Back in the good old days knowledge was transfered via speech. So speech 2nd house (10th from 5th) had control over 5th. Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from 10th. > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th from > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms and > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > -- > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from > > 4th influence these houses? > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > weak > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > loses ) > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > > much wealth > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > house > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good > or > > bad results 10 > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 adding to what ash said 5th house of knowledge and 2nd house of remedy worsk to gather 2nd house of wealth and 5th is also checked along with 9 10 11 houses for prosperity 10th from 8th house is 5th 5th house of merits from past lives past life merits will decide how much you will earn 8th house is house of sudden gains hidden treasures and inheritance 10th from 4th is 1st house good health or health person is the prime soures of happines enjoying happiness and being happy kind regs jiger - neenako Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:07 PM jyotish-vidya Re: tenth house rule from any house -- Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from 4th influence these houses? - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > dear group > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for that house to flourish or give full results > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is weak ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge loses ) > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give much wealth > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden wealth and inheritance > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th house karma bhave supports ascend or self > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good or bad results 10 > > house always be looked at > > regs jiger > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 -- I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from 10th. > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th from > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms and > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > -- > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from > > 4th influence these houses? > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > weak > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > loses ) > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > > much wealth > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > house > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good > or > > bad results 10 > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 The answer was be-fitting the question. The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of planet etc was not asked. Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > -- > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from > 10th. > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th > from > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms > and > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th > from > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong > for > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > > weak > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and > will > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and > hidden > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > > house > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good > > or > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Dear Ash, Neena, Jiger and All, The significations of all houses can be extended in this way :-) For example, 6th house being 8th from 11th, can indicate separation from friends (or end of friendship); 10th from 3rd (or Mars), status of sibling...and so forth. Looking at parents of children in this way can be an interesting exercise. In a male chart, 4th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show mother of children; In female chart, 10th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show father of children. In this modern society where there are so many multiple marriages (resulting often in progeny with different spouses) one can see if the children are all of the one father (or mother). To show this (dare I?) cite my own family again. In my chart, both 10th from Jupiter and 10th from 5th are occupied by a single planet (showing one father for my two children). In the father's chart however, 4th from Jupiter is occupied by two planets, showing the child he had in a previous marriage...two mothers for his children. All is revealed when we peel back the layers :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "ashsam73" <ashsam73 <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:40 AM Re: tenth house rule from any house The answer was be-fitting the question. The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of planet etc was not asked. Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 but when house is weak yet good results flow ?? when house is v strong yet results are not enjoyed ?? - neenako<neenako jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:03 PM Re: tenth house rule from any house -- I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. - In jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from 10th. > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th from > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms and > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > -- > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th from > > 4th influence these houses? > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > wrote: > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong for > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > weak > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > loses ) > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and will > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > > much wealth > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and hidden > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > house > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good > or > > bad results 10 > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> Personal reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&\ w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 - Exactly !! Astrology is not so simple. We have to study various aspects to arrive at the sum total of the influences. And then why study only the 10th house from a given house and not also the ninth and so on... Please do not take this as any kind of criticism, we are only discussing the possibilities. its a good topic to research. -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > but when house is weak yet good results flow ?? > > when house is v strong yet results are not enjoyed ?? > > > - > neenako<neenako > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya> > Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:03 PM > Re: tenth house rule from any house > > > -- > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. > > - In jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya>, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from > 10th. > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th > from > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms > and > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th > from > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong > for > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > > weak > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and > will > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will give > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and > hidden > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make a > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > > house > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for good > > or > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> Vedic astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> Personal reading</gads? t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Pers onal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "jyotish- vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > b.. > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya?subject=Un> > > c.. Terms of Service<>. > > > - ----------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 --- There is so much to learn and one should not have a closed mind to the views expressed by learned members. Jiger's point of view is well taken. You have added to it by pointing out the concept of upchaya. Could you expand on it? In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of > planet etc was not asked. > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > -- > > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from > > 10th. > > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. or > > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th > > from > > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of sperms > > and > > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or 10th > > from > > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be strong > > for > > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th is > > > weak > > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer huge > > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies and > > will > > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will > give > > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and > > hidden > > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will make > a > > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds 10th > > > house > > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for > good > > > or > > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 - Dear Wendy, Greetings to you and the list. I have come after a very long time, and as always it is good to read your views. to consider the fortunes of any house we've been told to treat it as lagna and see how the planets are placed in the horoscope with respect to that house. They are bound to have an infuence on that house. I read some time ago that the 5th from the 5th i.e. 9th shows grandchildren. If the 9th is strong there is great possibility that a person will have grandchildren, from that one can predict that a person will have children. So you are absolutely right when you say that All is revealed when you peal back the layers. Thanks. -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ash, Neena, Jiger and All, > > The significations of all houses can be extended in this way :-) > > For example, 6th house being 8th from 11th, can indicate separation > from friends (or end of friendship); 10th from 3rd (or Mars), status > of sibling...and so forth. > > Looking at parents of children in this way can be an interesting > exercise. In a male chart, 4th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show mother > of children; In female chart, 10th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show > father of children. In this modern society where there are so many > multiple marriages (resulting often in progeny with different > spouses) one can see if the children are all of the one father (or > mother). > > To show this (dare I?) cite my own family again. In my chart, both > 10th from Jupiter and 10th from 5th are occupied by a single planet > (showing one father for my two children). In the father's chart > however, 4th from Jupiter is occupied by two planets, showing the > child he had in a previous marriage...two mothers for his children. > > All is revealed when we peel back the layers :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:40 AM > Re: tenth house rule from any house > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of > planet etc was not asked. > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Neena, It's nice to see you back :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:01 PM Re: tenth house rule from any house - Dear Wendy, Greetings to you and the list. I have come after a very long time, and as always it is good to read your views. to consider the fortunes of any house we've been told to treat it as lagna and see how the planets are placed in the horoscope with respect to that house. They are bound to have an infuence on that house. I read some time ago that the 5th from the 5th i.e. 9th shows grandchildren. If the 9th is strong there is great possibility that a person will have grandchildren, from that one can predict that a person will have children. So you are absolutely right when you say that All is revealed when you peal back the layers. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Actually the system I follow is based on Ashtakavarga and the entire system is based on this concept. Even most planets give a bindu to 3rd ,6th ,10th and 11th house For example 4th and 12th lords and their antra generally give marriage. Or you can say that they are primary upchaya houses from 7th house if marriage is under focus. Simiarly for child birth in male chart we can see 2nd and 10th house being 10th and 6th from 5th house, ofcouse keeping in mind 12th lord and Guru are not spoilt as they are karaks. What Wendy has given is also important about 6:8 houses. As per KAS (Krushnas ashtakavarga system) which I study, we call the 8th house from house under focus as Karak. For example, say u are studying child birth, then 12th house is very important. Its called karak. Now 12th lord as per chart and Guru (putrakarak) means lord of pisces as per Kalpurush chart. If guru is not spoilt and 12th lord is not spoilt then mostly in antra of 2nd or 10th lord one can have child birth in male chart. For marriage say we take 7th house. So 4th and 12th lords or primary upchaya houses are important. Mostly or say in 60% of cases you will find marriages in the antra of 4th or 12th lord. Again 2nd house or its lord must not be spoilt. Means back in old days or say even now, families (2nd house) are involved in marriage. So if 2nd house is very weak, the quality of 7th house will be affected. Again death of partner is to focus on 2nd house (8th from 7th, just as wendy has given in her mail). So for death of partner mostly might happen in 11th lord (10th from 2nd) or 7th lords antra. 5th house is 8th from 10th house. So Its called karak. So sun natural 5th lord and 5th lord of chart is are good and strong then quality of 10th becomes better (again as per what wendy said, but if u want to see end of career focus on 5th i.e. 8th from 10th). In simple terms say if one has good or say high degree (5th house) then one can be given a post of high authority (10th house). The 5th house is also called house of crown maybe for this reason. This is for quaity of 10th, however for timing of result (which I keep seperate from quality of result - viz a viz stauts of karaks) there 7th and 3rd lord or their Samdharmis will play a vital role. 3rd is the house of initiativaes and 7th is that of dincharya or spouse etc. So mostly say if u are timing say when a person gets promotion then u might find that it might happen 10th and 3rd antra lords. That being said again 11th house must be focussed on. So 8th and 4th lord are important being 10th and 6th from 11th. These are primary upchaya sthan what we call it. Secondary upchaya sthan are also important. those are 10th and 6th from Karak. Means say if u are studying marriage then 7th house is main house under focus, then it makes karak sthan 2nd house so Venus is natural karak and 2nd house of the chart is karak sthan. So 10th and 6th from that means 11th and 7th house are again important. So 7th, 2nd and 11th become very important with 4th and 12th lords being primary upchaya to give timing of event. For quality the study of 2nd house and its lord and Venus is important. All these things and especially timing of event is based in such concepts. The concept that Jiger has touched is very important and to that I will also add the 6th house from the house under focus is also important especially for timing of events. 4th and 12th house both are eager to give timing of result say for 7th house but there is slight difference. 4th house controls or has direct influence on 7th and 12th is say the result of the event. Means say in arranged marriage the family of the bride may see the status or assets or say security of the male (4th house) and after the event he may get bed pleasures (12th house). For job similar thing. 6th house is house under focus for timing, then 3rd house is that of initiatives or say interview so that has direct influence on getting job 6th and the result of that is 6th from it means 11th hosue so income starts. There is a lot more to this theory .. but my time is limited.... Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > --- > There is so much to learn and one should not have a closed mind to > the views expressed by learned members. Jiger's point of view is > well taken. > You have added to it by pointing out the concept of upchaya. > Could you expand on it? > > > In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of > > planet etc was not asked. > > > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > > > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good results. > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th from > > > 10th. > > > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from 8th. > or > > > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is 10th > > > from > > > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of > sperms > > > and > > > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or > 10th > > > from > > > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > <jigershah@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be > strong > > > for > > > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if 9th > is > > > > weak > > > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer > huge > > > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies > and > > > will > > > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong will > > give > > > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains and > > > hidden > > > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will > make > > a > > > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds > 10th > > > > house > > > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house for > > good > > > > or > > > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Wendy, Agreed. But another way of looking at it is that 6th house is 8th from 11th. Stronger the 6th house better is the quality of 11th. I take 6th to be karak for 11th being 8th. I agree, if u want to see the End of 11th the u take 6th house as under focus. Just like 1st and 8th. 8th house and a strong mars (natural 8th lord) is good for personality. But to time death we will focus on 8th house and not first house. I think we maybe the same thing but expressing in different ways. Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Ash, Neena, Jiger and All, > > The significations of all houses can be extended in this way :-) > > For example, 6th house being 8th from 11th, can indicate separation > from friends (or end of friendship); 10th from 3rd (or Mars), status > of sibling...and so forth. > > Looking at parents of children in this way can be an interesting > exercise. In a male chart, 4th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show mother > of children; In female chart, 10th from 5th (or Jupiter) will show > father of children. In this modern society where there are so many > multiple marriages (resulting often in progeny with different > spouses) one can see if the children are all of the one father (or > mother). > > To show this (dare I?) cite my own family again. In my chart, both > 10th from Jupiter and 10th from 5th are occupied by a single planet > (showing one father for my two children). In the father's chart > however, 4th from Jupiter is occupied by two planets, showing the > child he had in a previous marriage...two mothers for his children. > > All is revealed when we peel back the layers :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "ashsam73" <ashsam73 > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:40 AM > Re: tenth house rule from any house > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power of > planet etc was not asked. > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 -- Thanks. You have given a very good explanation and now I am going to study each point with reference to the horoscopes I have in my databank . It will be great to find some or all of these principles valid. Some horoscopes are very difficult to read because one probably needs to approach them from a different perspective to see the results. - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > Actually the system I follow is based on Ashtakavarga and the entire > system is based on this concept. Even most planets give a bindu to > 3rd ,6th ,10th and 11th house > > For example 4th and 12th lords and their antra generally give > marriage. Or you can say that they are primary upchaya houses from > 7th house if marriage is under focus. > > Simiarly for child birth in male chart we can see 2nd and 10th house > being 10th and 6th from 5th house, ofcouse keeping in mind 12th lord > and Guru are not spoilt as they are karaks. > > What Wendy has given is also important about 6:8 houses. > > As per KAS (Krushnas ashtakavarga system) which I study, we call the > 8th house from house under focus as Karak. > > For example, say u are studying child birth, then 12th house is very > important. Its called karak. Now 12th lord as per chart and Guru > (putrakarak) means lord of pisces as per Kalpurush chart. > > If guru is not spoilt and 12th lord is not spoilt then mostly in > antra of 2nd or 10th lord one can have child birth in male chart. > > For marriage say we take 7th house. So 4th and 12th lords or > primary upchaya houses are important. Mostly or say in 60% of cases > you will find marriages in the antra of 4th or 12th lord. Again 2nd > house or its lord must not be spoilt. > > Means back in old days or say even now, families (2nd house) are > involved in marriage. So if 2nd house is very weak, the quality of > 7th house will be affected. > > Again death of partner is to focus on 2nd house (8th from 7th, just > as wendy has given in her mail). So for death of partner mostly > might happen in 11th lord (10th from 2nd) or 7th lords antra. > > 5th house is 8th from 10th house. So Its called karak. So sun > natural 5th lord and 5th lord of chart is are good and strong then > quality of 10th becomes better (again as per what wendy said, but if > u want to see end of career focus on 5th i.e. 8th from 10th). > > In simple terms say if one has good or say high degree (5th house) > then one can be given a post of high authority (10th house). The > 5th house is also called house of crown maybe for this reason. This > is for quaity of 10th, however for timing of result (which I keep > seperate from quality of result - viz a viz stauts of karaks) there > 7th and 3rd lord or their Samdharmis will play a vital role. > > 3rd is the house of initiativaes and 7th is that of dincharya or > spouse etc. > > So mostly say if u are timing say when a person gets promotion then > u might find that it might happen 10th and 3rd antra lords. > > That being said again 11th house must be focussed on. So 8th and > 4th lord are important being 10th and 6th from 11th. > > These are primary upchaya sthan what we call it. Secondary upchaya > sthan are also important. those are 10th and 6th from Karak. > > Means say if u are studying marriage then 7th house is main house > under focus, then it makes karak sthan 2nd house so Venus is natural > karak and 2nd house of the chart is karak sthan. So 10th and 6th > from that means 11th and 7th house are again important. > > So 7th, 2nd and 11th become very important with 4th and 12th lords > being primary upchaya to give timing of event. > > For quality the study of 2nd house and its lord and Venus is > important. > > All these things and especially timing of event is based in such > concepts. > > The concept that Jiger has touched is very important and to that I > will also add the 6th house from the house under focus is also > important especially for timing of events. > > 4th and 12th house both are eager to give timing of result say for > 7th house but there is slight difference. 4th house controls or has > direct influence on 7th and 12th is say the result of the event. > > Means say in arranged marriage the family of the bride may see the > status or assets or say security of the male (4th house) and after > the event he may get bed pleasures (12th house). > > For job similar thing. 6th house is house under focus for timing, > then 3rd house is that of initiatives or say interview so that has > direct influence on getting job 6th and the result of that is 6th > from it means 11th hosue so income starts. > > There is a lot more to this theory .. but my time is limited.... > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > --- > > There is so much to learn and one should not have a closed mind to > > the views expressed by learned members. Jiger's point of view is > > well taken. > > You have added to it by pointing out the concept of upchaya. > > Could you expand on it? > > > > > > In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > > > > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power > of > > > planet etc was not asked. > > > > > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of upchaya. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > -- > > > > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > > > > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good > results. > > > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th > from > > > > 10th. > > > > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > > > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from > 8th. > > or > > > > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is > 10th > > > > from > > > > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of > > sperms > > > > and > > > > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or > > 10th > > > > from > > > > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > > <jigershah@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be > > strong > > > > for > > > > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if > 9th > > is > > > > > weak > > > > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will suffer > > huge > > > > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his enemies > > and > > > > will > > > > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong > will > > > give > > > > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains > and > > > > hidden > > > > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will > > make > > > a > > > > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds > > 10th > > > > > house > > > > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house > for > > > good > > > > > or > > > > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 If you are interested to study Ashtakvarg then my suggestion is to study or understand a complete system and not in parts. If and when u get a chance refer to Donna's website at http://krushna.sageasita.com and out there you can get many articles and research papers done by knowledgable astrologers along with software (excel program) that you can use that may aid in your research. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > -- > Thanks. > You have given a very good explanation and now I am going to study > each point with reference to the horoscopes I have in my databank . > It will be great to find some or all of these principles valid. > Some horoscopes are very difficult to read because one probably > needs to approach them from a different perspective to see the > results. > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Actually the system I follow is based on Ashtakavarga and the > entire > > system is based on this concept. Even most planets give a bindu > to > > 3rd ,6th ,10th and 11th house > > > > For example 4th and 12th lords and their antra generally give > > marriage. Or you can say that they are primary upchaya houses > from > > 7th house if marriage is under focus. > > > > Simiarly for child birth in male chart we can see 2nd and 10th > house > > being 10th and 6th from 5th house, ofcouse keeping in mind 12th > lord > > and Guru are not spoilt as they are karaks. > > > > What Wendy has given is also important about 6:8 houses. > > > > As per KAS (Krushnas ashtakavarga system) which I study, we call > the > > 8th house from house under focus as Karak. > > > > For example, say u are studying child birth, then 12th house is > very > > important. Its called karak. Now 12th lord as per chart and Guru > > (putrakarak) means lord of pisces as per Kalpurush chart. > > > > If guru is not spoilt and 12th lord is not spoilt then mostly in > > antra of 2nd or 10th lord one can have child birth in male chart. > > > > For marriage say we take 7th house. So 4th and 12th lords or > > primary upchaya houses are important. Mostly or say in 60% of > cases > > you will find marriages in the antra of 4th or 12th lord. Again > 2nd > > house or its lord must not be spoilt. > > > > Means back in old days or say even now, families (2nd house) are > > involved in marriage. So if 2nd house is very weak, the quality > of > > 7th house will be affected. > > > > Again death of partner is to focus on 2nd house (8th from 7th, > just > > as wendy has given in her mail). So for death of partner mostly > > might happen in 11th lord (10th from 2nd) or 7th lords antra. > > > > 5th house is 8th from 10th house. So Its called karak. So sun > > natural 5th lord and 5th lord of chart is are good and strong then > > quality of 10th becomes better (again as per what wendy said, but > if > > u want to see end of career focus on 5th i.e. 8th from 10th). > > > > In simple terms say if one has good or say high degree (5th house) > > then one can be given a post of high authority (10th house). The > > 5th house is also called house of crown maybe for this reason. > This > > is for quaity of 10th, however for timing of result (which I keep > > seperate from quality of result - viz a viz stauts of karaks) > there > > 7th and 3rd lord or their Samdharmis will play a vital role. > > > > 3rd is the house of initiativaes and 7th is that of dincharya or > > spouse etc. > > > > So mostly say if u are timing say when a person gets promotion > then > > u might find that it might happen 10th and 3rd antra lords. > > > > That being said again 11th house must be focussed on. So 8th and > > 4th lord are important being 10th and 6th from 11th. > > > > These are primary upchaya sthan what we call it. Secondary > upchaya > > sthan are also important. those are 10th and 6th from Karak. > > > > Means say if u are studying marriage then 7th house is main house > > under focus, then it makes karak sthan 2nd house so Venus is > natural > > karak and 2nd house of the chart is karak sthan. So 10th and 6th > > from that means 11th and 7th house are again important. > > > > So 7th, 2nd and 11th become very important with 4th and 12th lords > > being primary upchaya to give timing of event. > > > > For quality the study of 2nd house and its lord and Venus is > > important. > > > > All these things and especially timing of event is based in such > > concepts. > > > > The concept that Jiger has touched is very important and to that I > > will also add the 6th house from the house under focus is also > > important especially for timing of events. > > > > 4th and 12th house both are eager to give timing of result say for > > 7th house but there is slight difference. 4th house controls or > has > > direct influence on 7th and 12th is say the result of the event. > > > > Means say in arranged marriage the family of the bride may see the > > status or assets or say security of the male (4th house) and after > > the event he may get bed pleasures (12th house). > > > > For job similar thing. 6th house is house under focus for timing, > > then 3rd house is that of initiatives or say interview so that has > > direct influence on getting job 6th and the result of that is 6th > > from it means 11th hosue so income starts. > > > > There is a lot more to this theory .. but my time is limited.... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > --- > > > There is so much to learn and one should not have a closed mind > to > > > the views expressed by learned members. Jiger's point of view is > > > well taken. > > > You have added to it by pointing out the concept of upchaya. > > > Could you expand on it? > > > > > > > > > In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > > > > > > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the power > > of > > > > planet etc was not asked. > > > > > > > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of > upchaya. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > > > > > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good > > results. > > > > > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is 10th > > from > > > > > 10th. > > > > > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from 4th) > > > > > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from > > 8th. > > > or > > > > > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th is > > 10th > > > > > from > > > > > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality of > > > sperms > > > > > and > > > > > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th or > > > 10th > > > > > from > > > > > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > > > <jigershah@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to be > > > strong > > > > > for > > > > > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money if > > 9th > > > is > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will > suffer > > > huge > > > > > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his > enemies > > > and > > > > > will > > > > > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong > > will > > > > give > > > > > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden gains > > and > > > > > hidden > > > > > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house will > > > make > > > > a > > > > > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable deeds > > > 10th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that house > > for > > > > good > > > > > > or > > > > > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Thanks for the link. Will check out the site. jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73 wrote: > > If you are interested to study Ashtakvarg then my suggestion is to > study or understand a complete system and not in parts. > If and when u get a chance refer to Donna's website at > http://krushna.sageasita.com and out there you can get many articles > and research papers done by knowledgable astrologers along with > software (excel program) that you can use that may aid in your > research. > Hope that helps, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > -- > > Thanks. > > You have given a very good explanation and now I am going to study > > each point with reference to the horoscopes I have in my databank . > > It will be great to find some or all of these principles valid. > > Some horoscopes are very difficult to read because one probably > > needs to approach them from a different perspective to see the > > results. > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Actually the system I follow is based on Ashtakavarga and the > > entire > > > system is based on this concept. Even most planets give a bindu > > to > > > 3rd ,6th ,10th and 11th house > > > > > > For example 4th and 12th lords and their antra generally give > > > marriage. Or you can say that they are primary upchaya houses > > from > > > 7th house if marriage is under focus. > > > > > > Simiarly for child birth in male chart we can see 2nd and 10th > > house > > > being 10th and 6th from 5th house, ofcouse keeping in mind 12th > > lord > > > and Guru are not spoilt as they are karaks. > > > > > > What Wendy has given is also important about 6:8 houses. > > > > > > As per KAS (Krushnas ashtakavarga system) which I study, we call > > the > > > 8th house from house under focus as Karak. > > > > > > For example, say u are studying child birth, then 12th house is > > very > > > important. Its called karak. Now 12th lord as per chart and > Guru > > > (putrakarak) means lord of pisces as per Kalpurush chart. > > > > > > If guru is not spoilt and 12th lord is not spoilt then mostly in > > > antra of 2nd or 10th lord one can have child birth in male chart. > > > > > > For marriage say we take 7th house. So 4th and 12th lords or > > > primary upchaya houses are important. Mostly or say in 60% of > > cases > > > you will find marriages in the antra of 4th or 12th lord. Again > > 2nd > > > house or its lord must not be spoilt. > > > > > > Means back in old days or say even now, families (2nd house) are > > > involved in marriage. So if 2nd house is very weak, the quality > > of > > > 7th house will be affected. > > > > > > Again death of partner is to focus on 2nd house (8th from 7th, > > just > > > as wendy has given in her mail). So for death of partner mostly > > > might happen in 11th lord (10th from 2nd) or 7th lords antra. > > > > > > 5th house is 8th from 10th house. So Its called karak. So sun > > > natural 5th lord and 5th lord of chart is are good and strong > then > > > quality of 10th becomes better (again as per what wendy said, > but > > if > > > u want to see end of career focus on 5th i.e. 8th from 10th). > > > > > > In simple terms say if one has good or say high degree (5th > house) > > > then one can be given a post of high authority (10th house). > The > > > 5th house is also called house of crown maybe for this reason. > > This > > > is for quaity of 10th, however for timing of result (which I > keep > > > seperate from quality of result - viz a viz stauts of karaks) > > there > > > 7th and 3rd lord or their Samdharmis will play a vital role. > > > > > > 3rd is the house of initiativaes and 7th is that of dincharya or > > > spouse etc. > > > > > > So mostly say if u are timing say when a person gets promotion > > then > > > u might find that it might happen 10th and 3rd antra lords. > > > > > > That being said again 11th house must be focussed on. So 8th > and > > > 4th lord are important being 10th and 6th from 11th. > > > > > > These are primary upchaya sthan what we call it. Secondary > > upchaya > > > sthan are also important. those are 10th and 6th from Karak. > > > > > > Means say if u are studying marriage then 7th house is main > house > > > under focus, then it makes karak sthan 2nd house so Venus is > > natural > > > karak and 2nd house of the chart is karak sthan. So 10th and > 6th > > > from that means 11th and 7th house are again important. > > > > > > So 7th, 2nd and 11th become very important with 4th and 12th > lords > > > being primary upchaya to give timing of event. > > > > > > For quality the study of 2nd house and its lord and Venus is > > > important. > > > > > > All these things and especially timing of event is based in such > > > concepts. > > > > > > The concept that Jiger has touched is very important and to that > I > > > will also add the 6th house from the house under focus is also > > > important especially for timing of events. > > > > > > 4th and 12th house both are eager to give timing of result say > for > > > 7th house but there is slight difference. 4th house controls or > > has > > > direct influence on 7th and 12th is say the result of the event. > > > > > > Means say in arranged marriage the family of the bride may see > the > > > status or assets or say security of the male (4th house) and > after > > > the event he may get bed pleasures (12th house). > > > > > > For job similar thing. 6th house is house under focus for > timing, > > > then 3rd house is that of initiatives or say interview so that > has > > > direct influence on getting job 6th and the result of that is > 6th > > > from it means 11th hosue so income starts. > > > > > > There is a lot more to this theory .. but my time is limited.... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- > > > > There is so much to learn and one should not have a closed > mind > > to > > > > the views expressed by learned members. Jiger's point of view > is > > > > well taken. > > > > You have added to it by pointing out the concept of upchaya. > > > > Could you expand on it? > > > > > > > > > > > > In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The answer was be-fitting the question. > > > > > > > > > > The strength of house or the quality of the chart or the > power > > > of > > > > > planet etc was not asked. > > > > > > > > > > Jiger has given or touched a very important concept of > > upchaya. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > I feel we are simplifying astrology a little too much ! > > > > > > Basically the house itself has to be strong to give good > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Behind a successful man there is a woman.. 7th is > 10th > > > from > > > > > > 10th. > > > > > > > 2) Knowing youself is true happiness (1st is 10th from > 4th) > > > > > > > 3) Degree can enhance your personality 5th is 10th from > > > 8th. > > > > or > > > > > > > with intellegence u can uncover hidden knowledge. 5th > is > > > 10th > > > > > > from > > > > > > > 8th. 5th house also has telling impact on the quality > of > > > > sperms > > > > > > and > > > > > > > ovaries. 5th lord is also eager to give death etc etc > etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" > <neenako@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Jiger, That is a very interesting line of analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you say the 10th from 5th or 10th from 8th > or > > > > 10th > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 4th influence these houses? > > > > > > > > - In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" > > > > <jigershah@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house from any house under observation has to > be > > > > strong > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that house to flourish or give full results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of losses a person will not lose money > if > > > 9th > > > > is > > > > > > > weak > > > > > > > > ( fortune is weak, will not have enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at any given time to lose, if 9th is strong will > > suffer > > > > huge > > > > > > > > loses ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3ird is 10th from 6th person will vanquish his > > enemies > > > > and > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > come out of debt if 3ird is strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (third is second from second 3 is house of valour) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th is 10th from 2nd 11th house of gain if strong > > > will > > > > > give > > > > > > > > much wealth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th is 10th from 11th house 8th house of sudden > gains > > > and > > > > > > hidden > > > > > > > > wealth and inheritance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th house is 10th from ascend strong 10th house > will > > > > make > > > > > a > > > > > > > > person head of his clan and will perform noticable > deeds > > > > 10th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > karma bhave supports ascend or self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so 10th house from any house will support that > house > > > for > > > > > good > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > bad results 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house always be looked at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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