John Nash

February 12, 2006

Dear friends,

Let's have a look at John Nash's chart with the following data:

13 Jun 1928; 7:00 AM; Bluefield, West Virginia [37n16, 81w13,

5:00 West, no DST]

Lagna: 24-Mithuna-17

This data was picked up from astrodatabank.com, and has a Rodden

Rating of AA (Accurate data as recorded by the family or state).

For more details, please visit:

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/NashJohn.htm

Two things that defined Nash are his math capabilities and his

Schizophrenia.

* Math abilities: Budha and Kuja rule math. Lagnadipati Budha is

strongly placed in Lagna, though neecha in Navamsa. Kuja is

Vargotamma, conjunct Vargotamma 2nd lord Chandra [creativity],

and in the star of Budha.

* Schizophrenia: Chandra is conjunct Kuja, which, apart from

creating Chandra Mangala Yoga, can also lead to mental

disturbances. Chandra occupies Revati, whose lord is Neecha in

Navamsa. In the Navamsa, the Lagna is afflicted by Rahu. The 4th

also denotes the mind, and its lord Budha is afflicted in

Navamsa, while the 4th in Rasi receives the aspect of 6th lord

Kuja. Finally, the nature of the mind is defined by Ketu, who is

in the star of Sani, the natural karaka for diseases, though

being the 9th lord. Finally, Sani himself occupies the star of

Budha, whose affliction has already been considered earlier.

Now, some dates:

1. [1942] Math interest begins [sk - Ch]: Sukra is placed in the

12th, and rules the 5th house of creativity. Chandra is in the

star of Budha and is conjunct Kuja, both of whom rule math.

2. [1948] BA/MA in math [sk - Gu]: Sukra has already been dealt

with. Guru is in the 11th in Parivartana with the 10th lord, in

the star of Ketu, and disposited in Navamsa by intellectual

Budha. Ketu rules abstraction, which is required for math.

3. [1949] Wrote Nobel-winning paper [sk - Gu/Sa]: Since Sani

Bukti starts in end of 1949, it could have been either Guru or

Sani. Both are eminently qualified - Guru has already been

considered above, while Sani is disposited by Kuja, conjunct

Ketu, in the star of Budha, in the 9th in his own house in

Navamsa, and the lord of the 9th in Rasi, which rules higher

knowledge.

4. [1953] Had son John David Stier [born on 19 June 1953] with

Eleanor Stier [sk - Bu]: This child was NOT born of wedlock.

Mark the presence of Sukra in the 12th house of bed pleasures,

conjunct Rahu, while Budha is also in the star of Rahu, who

rules desires.

5. [1954] Arrested by police in homosexual trap [sk - Bu]: The

affliction discussed above also applies in this case. Any

affliction of Sukra is bound to lead to weirdness in sex, and

here, we find that Sukra also occupies Kuja's star, who rules

the 6th house of vices. Sukra is also afflicted by Rahu, and

closely aspected by Sani. Generally, Sani, Kuja, and Rahu - the

"axis of evil" - will have something to do with sexual

deviation.

6. [1957] Married Alicia in Feb [su - Su]: Surya combusts

Kalatra Karaka Sukra, and takes on his significances.

7. [1959] Lost MIT job due to paranoid schizophrenia [su -

Gu/Sa]: Schizophrenia has already been considered earlier. He

could have lost his job either in Guru Bukti or Sani Bukti, both

of which were running in 1959. Might have been Guru Bukti, which

ran until Oct - Guru is in 2/12 positions with Dasa Natha,

afflicted by Papa Katari Yoga, and in star of Ketu, who rules

obstruction.

8. [1994] Won Nobel Prize [Ra - Sk/Su]: The amazing thing about

Nash is that he won the Nobel 45 years after writing his paper.

It might also confound us that it happened in Rahu Dasa, but

Rahu occupies the star of Chandra, who rules popularity, and

also rules the 2nd house of wealth. The Bukti may not be that

important - Sukra and Surya are conjunct, so some of the things

that apply to one might also apply to the other, especially

since they both occupy the same star. In either case, aspect of

9th lord Sani might have sealed the bargain. Surya as the Rajya

Karaka might have also played this role here. Note that the

luminaries are capable of providing us with high rise and fame.

9. [2001] Remarried Alicia in June [Gu - Sa]: Guru is the 7th

lord, while Kalatra Karaka Sukra aspects Sani very powerfully

within 2 degrees.

Comments, please.

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 13, 2006

Dear Baliji,

Thanks for starting and bringing forth the birth details of John

Nash for the lst week Group Study Chart. Thanks too for

Identifying it also in the database for easy access.

Uttara

jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan

<sherlockbalaji wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Let's have a look at John Nash's chart with the following data:

>

> 13 Jun 1928; 7:00 AM; Bluefield, West Virginia [37n16, 81w13,

> 5:00 West, no DST]

> Lagna: 24-Mithuna-17

>

> This data was picked up from astrodatabank.com, and has a Rodden

> Rating of AA (Accurate data as recorded by the family or state).

> For more details, please visit:

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/NashJohn.htm

>

> Two things that defined Nash are his math capabilities and his

> Schizophrenia.

>

> * Math abilities: Budha and Kuja rule math. Lagnadipati Budha is

> strongly placed in Lagna, though neecha in Navamsa. Kuja is

> Vargotamma, conjunct Vargotamma 2nd lord Chandra [creativity],

> and in the star of Budha.

>

> * Schizophrenia: Chandra is conjunct Kuja, which, apart from

> creating Chandra Mangala Yoga, can also lead to mental

> disturbances. Chandra occupies Revati, whose lord is Neecha in

> Navamsa. In the Navamsa, the Lagna is afflicted by Rahu. The 4th

> also denotes the mind, and its lord Budha is afflicted in

> Navamsa, while the 4th in Rasi receives the aspect of 6th lord

> Kuja. Finally, the nature of the mind is defined by Ketu, who is

> in the star of Sani, the natural karaka for diseases, though

> being the 9th lord. Finally, Sani himself occupies the star of

> Budha, whose affliction has already been considered earlier.

>

> Now, some dates:

>

> 1. [1942] Math interest begins [sk - Ch]: Sukra is placed in the

> 12th, and rules the 5th house of creativity. Chandra is in the

> star of Budha and is conjunct Kuja, both of whom rule math.

>

> 2. [1948] BA/MA in math [sk - Gu]: Sukra has already been dealt

> with. Guru is in the 11th in Parivartana with the 10th lord, in

> the star of Ketu, and disposited in Navamsa by intellectual

> Budha. Ketu rules abstraction, which is required for math.

>

> 3. [1949] Wrote Nobel-winning paper [sk - Gu/Sa]: Since Sani

> Bukti starts in end of 1949, it could have been either Guru or

> Sani. Both are eminently qualified - Guru has already been

> considered above, while Sani is disposited by Kuja, conjunct

> Ketu, in the star of Budha, in the 9th in his own house in

> Navamsa, and the lord of the 9th in Rasi, which rules higher

> knowledge.

>

> 4. [1953] Had son John David Stier [born on 19 June 1953] with

> Eleanor Stier [sk - Bu]: This child was NOT born of wedlock.

> Mark the presence of Sukra in the 12th house of bed pleasures,

> conjunct Rahu, while Budha is also in the star of Rahu, who

> rules desires.

>

> 5. [1954] Arrested by police in homosexual trap [sk - Bu]: The

> affliction discussed above also applies in this case. Any

> affliction of Sukra is bound to lead to weirdness in sex, and

> here, we find that Sukra also occupies Kuja's star, who rules

> the 6th house of vices. Sukra is also afflicted by Rahu, and

> closely aspected by Sani. Generally, Sani, Kuja, and Rahu - the

> "axis of evil" - will have something to do with sexual

> deviation.

>

> 6. [1957] Married Alicia in Feb [su - Su]: Surya combusts

> Kalatra Karaka Sukra, and takes on his significances.

>

> 7. [1959] Lost MIT job due to paranoid schizophrenia [su -

> Gu/Sa]: Schizophrenia has already been considered earlier. He

> could have lost his job either in Guru Bukti or Sani Bukti, both

> of which were running in 1959. Might have been Guru Bukti, which

> ran until Oct - Guru is in 2/12 positions with Dasa Natha,

> afflicted by Papa Katari Yoga, and in star of Ketu, who rules

> obstruction.

>

> 8. [1994] Won Nobel Prize [Ra - Sk/Su]: The amazing thing about

> Nash is that he won the Nobel 45 years after writing his paper.

> It might also confound us that it happened in Rahu Dasa, but

> Rahu occupies the star of Chandra, who rules popularity, and

> also rules the 2nd house of wealth. The Bukti may not be that

> important - Sukra and Surya are conjunct, so some of the things

> that apply to one might also apply to the other, especially

> since they both occupy the same star. In either case, aspect of

> 9th lord Sani might have sealed the bargain. Surya as the Rajya

> Karaka might have also played this role here. Note that the

> luminaries are capable of providing us with high rise and fame.

>

> 9. [2001] Remarried Alicia in June [Gu - Sa]: Guru is the 7th

> lord, while Kalatra Karaka Sukra aspects Sani very powerfully

> within 2 degrees.

>

> Comments, please.

>

> ~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

> Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

> Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

> ~~~~~~~

>

February 14, 2006

Dear Balaji and All,

You Wrote:

//Math abilities: Budha and Kuja rule math. Lagnadipati Budha is

strongly placed in Lagna, though neecha in Navamsa. Kuja is

Vargotamma, conjunct Vargotamma 2nd lord Chandra [creativity],

and in the star of Budha.//

As I see it, there are several indications for his mathematical

genius. As you say, Mars is a significator for mathematics and so too

is Ketu who, along with 9th lord Saturn is disposited by Mars who

(greatly) influences mind (Moon). Both Mars and Moon are in nakshatra

of Mercury...we're told that the relationship between ME/MO promotes

intelligence. Ketu's link with mathematics is understood through his

abstract nature...bestowing abstract (or visionary) ideas. Note

Einstein's chart with Ketu's dispositor (Moon) in sign of Mars etc,

etc..

//Schizophrenia: Chandra is conjunct Kuja, which, apart from

creating Chandra Mangala Yoga, can also lead to mental

disturbances.//

I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional nature of

Mars in this chart. Mars owns two trishadaya houses (6, 11) with 11th

being his moolatrikona. Of course we're not overlooking the other

implications of these houses; daily work(6th), long-term

desires/gains(11th). But, as we're told, trishadaya lords signify

difficulties and/or disease...conjunct Moon, well his history with

mental illness is undenialble. And (again) we see both 4th lord

Mercury and 5th lord Venus combust 3rd lord Sun...another trishadaya

lord. Both the probability and severity of (any) illness depends on

several factors.

Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude that,

because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be in danger

of mental illness. The fact is that many things come together to

determine individual results.

Hope to see some input from other members...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 14, 2006

Wendy ji,

Thanks for the inputs.

///I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional

nature of Mars in this chart.///

Yes! Unfortunately, I missed it! :-(

///Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude

that, because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be

in danger of mental illness///

But, I never implied this! Also, I think that the Shakata Yoga -

Guru and Chandra in 2/12 positions - might have aggravated the

situation because Chandra, devoid of the stabilizing factor of

Guru, gets further afflicted by Kuja.

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 14, 2006

Dear Balaji,

//But, I never implied this!//

No of course not, I didn't think for one moment that you had :-)

I simply added that observation for the benefit of novices who might

assume that CMY had similar indications in their own chart.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM

Re: John Nash

Wendy ji,

Thanks for the inputs.

///I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional

nature of Mars in this chart.///

Yes! Unfortunately, I missed it! :-(

///Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude

that, because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be

in danger of mental illness///

But, I never implied this! Also, I think that the Shakata Yoga -

Guru and Chandra in 2/12 positions - might have aggravated the

situation because Chandra, devoid of the stabilizing factor of

Guru, gets further afflicted by Kuja.

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 14, 2006

-

Just adding a few observations:

Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.

Instability of the mind is indicated by such a placement.

In the present case, Mercury is in the intellectual sign Gemini (its

own) but the navamsa is neech. It also receives the aspect of Mars

which energises it.

Moon, Mars combination in 10th within almost a degree of each other

give exceptional analytical powers. In the 10th house, the house of

acheivement,it had to bring recognition.

Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they give

effect as they would in their own house.

By this exchange Mars becomes more the lord of 11th than 6th. 11th

is also its mooltrikon.

The schizophrenia can be attributed to Mercury and the influences on

it.

An afflicted Venus in 12th can lead to problems in sexual

preferences.

It is interesting to study horoscopes of exceptional acheivers. And

perhaps requires a more deep study.

Neena.

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Balaji,

>

> //But, I never implied this!//

>

> No of course not, I didn't think for one moment that you had :-)

> I simply added that observation for the benefit of novices who

might

> assume that CMY had similar indications in their own chart.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:15 PM

> Re: John Nash

>

> Wendy ji,

>

> Thanks for the inputs.

>

> ///I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional

> nature of Mars in this chart.///

>

> Yes! Unfortunately, I missed it! :-(

>

> ///Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude

> that, because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be

> in danger of mental illness///

>

> But, I never implied this! Also, I think that the Shakata Yoga -

> Guru and Chandra in 2/12 positions - might have aggravated the

> situation because Chandra, devoid of the stabilizing factor of

> Guru, gets further afflicted by Kuja.

>

> ~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

> Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

> Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

> ~~~~~~~

>

February 14, 2006

Dear Neena,

Many thanks for your input. The most immediate value (for me) in this

instance is the realisation that, contrary to my earlier observation,

Mercury in fact escapes combustion. This is more reasonable

considering his exceptional analytical achievement...the aspect of

Mars, dispositor of 9th lord Saturn and Ketu (bearing in mind SA, MA,

MO all occupy constellation of Mercury) is testament to his

mathematical genius.

No doubt however, the direct influence of F/M Mars on both Moon and

Mercury contributed greatly to his mental illness. Another point

worth noting is the condition of 5th lord...suffering papa-kartari

yoga in 12th (hemmed-in by 3rd lord Sun and Rahu). As we know Rahu is

a significator for insanity and (again) here we see the connection

with Rahu's nakshatra lord (Moon) afflicted by F/M Mars.

I'm not denying the benefits of Mars in terms of the sharpness,

energy, analytical (mathematical) qualities he's bestowed on MO/ME,

but it certainly is a double-edged sword in my opinion...genius and

insanity are often closely linked.

Thank you for your input Neena :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"neenako" <neenako

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:00 AM

Re: John Nash

-

Just adding a few observations:

Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.

Instability of the mind is indicated by such a placement.

In the present case, Mercury is in the intellectual sign Gemini (its

own) but the navamsa is neech. It also receives the aspect of Mars

which energises it.

Moon, Mars combination in 10th within almost a degree of each other

give exceptional analytical powers. In the 10th house, the house of

acheivement,it had to bring recognition.

Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they give

effect as they would in their own house.

By this exchange Mars becomes more the lord of 11th than 6th. 11th

is also its mooltrikon.

The schizophrenia can be attributed to Mercury and the influences on

it.

An afflicted Venus in 12th can lead to problems in sexual

preferences.

It is interesting to study horoscopes of exceptional acheivers. And

perhaps requires a more deep study.

Neena.

February 14, 2006

Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,

Wendy, I am glad you stated below that your current view of Mercury

is not combust Sun.

I was struggling how it would be in my breakdown with study. I

understand that Parashara allows an Average of points between two

planets that can in fact result in a direct aspect of orb

influnence. However, as I laid out my studies I showed Sun combust

Venus with 5*. Sun to combust Mer would mean then that one would

have to take the degree of Su 29* and add it to the degree of Mer

19* to come to an average of 24*, this average would only change if

one were to take a 1* difference from Taurus sign of Sun and then

add it to the 19* of Mer in Gemini and then averaging it out to be

10*. neither seem to be satisfying.

Can you or any other member clarify how Mer is truly not orb

influenced or combust Sun?

Let me further lay out where I was continuing my calculations: Moon

conj Mars in Pisces with a 1* difference. Mars in Pisces

exchanges with Ju in Aries making the planets feel like they are in

their own houses. Mo 28* In Pisces aspects in orb influencen with

Ju 9* with an average of 18* orb. Or, 2* degree difference of Mo

in Pisces added to Ju in Aries would average to 5.5* influence in

orb influence.

Hmm, I am getting myself all turned around.

Simplier if I look at Mars (conj Mo) in Pisces and know that it

aspects Merc in Gemini and that is the real culprit. Also, both

Mars and Mo with its opposite aspect to Virgo/Mer

I have another question for all.

I see that Saturn in 9th house is being directly discussed with its

influence on the chart. Being ruled by Saturn and opposite ruler Sun

Leo. I am guessing becasue of this combination and also becasue 9th

house influences higher mind, religion (negative God like delusions

of being Schizophrenia). However, Saturn Rt in Scorpio makes a

direct aspect to 3rd house from itself to 8th house Capricorn/SA.

Then an opposite aspect to Taurus with Sun, Ve and Ra and finally to

a 10th house aspect to Leo/Sun

Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this chart is

not highlighted?

Is there a resean why 8th house has not been discussed or given

attention to its influence in the chart.

Mind you, I have not mentioned Nakshatra rulers here - only aspects

of grahas and their houses.

Thanks

As Always,

Uttara :-)

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Many thanks for your input. The most immediate value (for me) in

this

> instance is the realisation that, contrary to my earlier

observation,

> Mercury in fact escapes combustion. This is more reasonable

> considering his exceptional analytical achievement...the aspect of

> Mars, dispositor of 9th lord Saturn and Ketu (bearing in mind SA,

MA,

> MO all occupy constellation of Mercury) is testament to his

> mathematical genius.

>

> No doubt however, the direct influence of F/M Mars on both Moon

and

> Mercury contributed greatly to his mental illness. Another point

> worth noting is the condition of 5th lord...suffering papa-kartari

> yoga in 12th (hemmed-in by 3rd lord Sun and Rahu). As we know Rahu

is

> a significator for insanity and (again) here we see the connection

> with Rahu's nakshatra lord (Moon) afflicted by F/M Mars.

>

> I'm not denying the benefits of Mars in terms of the sharpness,

> energy, analytical (mathematical) qualities he's bestowed on

MO/ME,

> but it certainly is a double-edged sword in my opinion...genius

and

> insanity are often closely linked.

>

> Thank you for your input Neena :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "neenako" <neenako

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:00 AM

> Re: John Nash

>

> -

> Just adding a few observations:

> Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.

> Instability of the mind is indicated by such a placement.

> In the present case, Mercury is in the intellectual sign Gemini

(its

> own) but the navamsa is neech. It also receives the aspect of Mars

> which energises it.

> Moon, Mars combination in 10th within almost a degree of each other

> give exceptional analytical powers. In the 10th house, the house of

> acheivement,it had to bring recognition.

> Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they give

> effect as they would in their own house.

> By this exchange Mars becomes more the lord of 11th than 6th. 11th

> is also its mooltrikon.

> The schizophrenia can be attributed to Mercury and the influences

on

> it.

> An afflicted Venus in 12th can lead to problems in sexual

> preferences.

> It is interesting to study horoscopes of exceptional acheivers. And

> perhaps requires a more deep study.

>

> Neena.

>

February 14, 2006

-

Dear Wendy,

All planets as you know ,are destroyed by their combustion in the

Sun and there is no 'bhanga' for this condition.

Mercury if in own sign will be 'swastha" even when combust.

A combination of Mercury and Sun in fact gives Budha-Aditya yoga

which in itself facilitates mathematical abilities.

What I feel is that in the case of Nash the situation of Mercury in

Lagna in own sign but bereft of the company of any other planet has

caused the schizophrenia.

Other members could also perhaps shed more light on this.

Best Wishes,

neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> Many thanks for your input. The most immediate value (for me) in

this

> instance is the realisation that, contrary to my earlier

observation,

> Mercury in fact escapes combustion. This is more reasonable

> considering his exceptional analytical achievement...the aspect of

> Mars, dispositor of 9th lord Saturn and Ketu (bearing in mind SA,

MA,

> MO all occupy constellation of Mercury) is testament to his

> mathematical genius.

>

> No doubt however, the direct influence of F/M Mars on both Moon

and

> Mercury contributed greatly to his mental illness. Another point

> worth noting is the condition of 5th lord...suffering papa-kartari

> yoga in 12th (hemmed-in by 3rd lord Sun and Rahu). As we know Rahu

is

> a significator for insanity and (again) here we see the connection

> with Rahu's nakshatra lord (Moon) afflicted by F/M Mars.

>

> I'm not denying the benefits of Mars in terms of the sharpness,

> energy, analytical (mathematical) qualities he's bestowed on

MO/ME,

> but it certainly is a double-edged sword in my opinion...genius

and

> insanity are often closely linked.

>

> Thank you for your input Neena :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "neenako" <neenako

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:00 AM

> Re: John Nash

>

> -

> Just adding a few observations:

> Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.

> Instability of the mind is indicated by such a placement.

> In the present case, Mercury is in the intellectual sign Gemini

(its

> own) but the navamsa is neech. It also receives the aspect of Mars

> which energises it.

> Moon, Mars combination in 10th within almost a degree of each other

> give exceptional analytical powers. In the 10th house, the house of

> acheivement,it had to bring recognition.

> Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they give

> effect as they would in their own house.

> By this exchange Mars becomes more the lord of 11th than 6th. 11th

> is also its mooltrikon.

> The schizophrenia can be attributed to Mercury and the influences

on

> it.

> An afflicted Venus in 12th can lead to problems in sexual

> preferences.

> It is interesting to study horoscopes of exceptional acheivers. And

> perhaps requires a more deep study.

>

> Neena.

>

February 14, 2006

Dear Neena,

//All planets as you know ,are destroyed by their combustion in the

Sun and there is no 'bhanga' for this condition.

Mercury if in own sign will be 'swastha" even when combust.//

Correct! However, in this instance, Mercury at (aprox) 20° from Sun

escapes combustion.

//A combination of Mercury and Sun in fact gives Budha-Aditya yoga

which in itself facilitates mathematical abilities.//

There can be no argument that Budha-Aditya Yoga bestows high

intelligence etc., but this is formed when Sun and Mercury occupy the

same bhava (are conjunct). In this instance, Sun is in 12th house

(29°20') whilst Mercury occupies 1st (19°15'). Therefore, to the best

of my knowledge, this yoga doesn't apply.

//What I feel is that in the case of Nash the situation of Mercury in

Lagna in own sign but bereft of the company of any other planet has

caused the schizophrenia.//

Many people have Mercury alone but don't suffer any mental

illness...perhaps we should distinguish between alone and being

isolated i.e., no planet in the same house or in those next to him.

Then, we might say, as in Kemadruma Yoga, that this could be cause

for concern. As we know, the sages give great importance to planets

occupying the houses next to Sun and Moon. Logic dictates that the

same principle applies to all the planets...isolated is isolated!

Because of the way Mercury is influenced by others, either by aspect

or conjunction, it's considered highly beneficial for him to be

conjunct/aspected by a benefic. However, on his own (without malefic

aspect) he's considered a benefic. Mercury placed in kendra or

trikona with strength (own sign, moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of

deep friend) is not stripped of that strength by being alone...what

we can say however is that he's (further) benefited by the

conjunction/aspect of a benefic...becomes a greater benefic!

We know without doubt that Nash's intellectual ability (Mercury) was

strong...he was a mathematical genius! I maintain that this came

about due to the influence of strong Mars...significator for

mathematics and dispositor of 9th lord SA and KE. Ketu too is said to

give good mathematical ability...gives insight and promotes

abstract/visionary ideas.

But, like I said previously, Mars, owning 6th and 11th, is a dire

malefic for this ascendant and obviously his aspect on Mercury (and

Moon) has been detrimental in terms of the mental disorder he's

suffered...note also Mercury in nakshatra of Rahu.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that input from other members would

be beneficial in shedding more light on this :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 15, 2006

Dear Uttara,

You Wrote:

///However, as I laid out my studies I showed Sun combust

Venus with 5*. Sun to combust Mer would mean then that one would

have to take the degree of Su 29* and add it to the degree of Mer

19* to come to an average of 24*, this average would only change if

one were to take a 1* difference from Taurus sign of Sun and then

add it to the 19* of Mer in Gemini and then averaging it out to be

10*. neither seem to be satisfying.///

It doesn't have to be that complicated :-)

Sun at 29°20' has less than one degree to go before leaving Taurus.

For the sake of simplification, let's call it one degree. Then add 19

degrees (which is roughly the position of Mercury in Gemini). So, at

a quick glance, we can see that Mercury is aprox 20° from Sun...well

out of the range of combustion.

Also important to note the effect of Sun in bhava sandhi...

///Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this chart is

not highlighted?

Is there a resean why 8th house has not been discussed or given

attention to its influence in the chart.///

The reason is simply that 9th is Saturn's moolatrikona, so one tends

to focus on that. As we know, the malefic effects due to 8th lordship

are uplifted due to Saturn also owning 9th.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:05 PM

Re: John Nash

Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,

Wendy, I am glad you stated below that your current view of Mercury

is not combust Sun.

I was struggling how it would be in my breakdown with study. I

understand that Parashara allows an Average of points between two

planets that can in fact result in a direct aspect of orb

influnence. However, as I laid out my studies I showed Sun combust

Venus with 5*. Sun to combust Mer would mean then that one would

have to take the degree of Su 29* and add it to the degree of Mer

19* to come to an average of 24*, this average would only change if

one were to take a 1* difference from Taurus sign of Sun and then

add it to the 19* of Mer in Gemini and then averaging it out to be

10*. neither seem to be satisfying.

Can you or any other member clarify how Mer is truly not orb

influenced or combust Sun?

Let me further lay out where I was continuing my calculations: Moon

conj Mars in Pisces with a 1* difference. Mars in Pisces

exchanges with Ju in Aries making the planets feel like they are in

their own houses. Mo 28* In Pisces aspects in orb influencen with

Ju 9* with an average of 18* orb. Or, 2* degree difference of Mo

in Pisces added to Ju in Aries would average to 5.5* influence in

orb influence.

Hmm, I am getting myself all turned around.

Simplier if I look at Mars (conj Mo) in Pisces and know that it

aspects Merc in Gemini and that is the real culprit. Also, both

Mars and Mo with its opposite aspect to Virgo/Mer

I have another question for all.

I see that Saturn in 9th house is being directly discussed with its

influence on the chart. Being ruled by Saturn and opposite ruler Sun

Leo. I am guessing becasue of this combination and also becasue 9th

house influences higher mind, religion (negative God like delusions

of being Schizophrenia). However, Saturn Rt in Scorpio makes a

direct aspect to 3rd house from itself to 8th house Capricorn/SA.

Then an opposite aspect to Taurus with Sun, Ve and Ra and finally to

a 10th house aspect to Leo/Sun

Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this chart is

not highlighted?

Is there a resean why 8th house has not been discussed or given

attention to its influence in the chart.

Mind you, I have not mentioned Nakshatra rulers here - only aspects

of grahas and their houses.

Thanks

As Always,

Uttara :-)

February 15, 2006

Dear All,

Noting that waning Moon (in Nash's chart) is dispositor of Gulika,

I've been doing some research on this upagraha. The following might

be of interest:

Gulika is generally considered the most malefic entity in a chart.

According to the set standards of assessment of maleficence, it

surpasses all natural malefics. Gulika enjoys a special status almost

like an independent planet, and in astrological classics it is

considered as a minor planet or subplanet. In the traditional

astrological practice, the Gulika-Kundali (a horoscopic chart, with

houses reckoned from the position of Gulika) used to be an essential

component of the Janma-patri (the scroll carrying the horoscopic

details of a native, according to the traditional system of making

horoscopes in India).

*RAJA-YOGA FROM GULIKA

The dispositor of Gulika, or its navamsha lord, placed in a kendra or

trikona, or in its own sign or in exaltation, mollifies the adverse

effects of Gulika and gives yoga effects, though its lethal

propensity (markatwa) would remain intact.

Phaladeepika states:

"Let the Gulika be in a kendra, a trikona, or be strong, in its own

house, or in exaltation or in a friendly house. A potent Raja-yoga

results from this disposition."

Parashara also states in Ch.25:

"86-87. O Brahmin, these are the effects for Dhooma etc. (and

Pranapada). Before declaring these results, the effects of the Sun

and other planets should be wisely conceived by their positions,

relations and aspects apart from their strength or weakness."

R. Santhanam in his notes (BPHS):

If Gulika is due to give bad effects, but his dispositor is

well-aspected, well-placed or well-related, the evils are minimised.

Conversely if favourable effects are due (to Gulika etc) the weakness

or adverse placement of the respective dispositor will not allow

maturity of such good effects.

Quite obviously we would be remiss not to note the position of Gulika

in the horoscope.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 15, 2006

---Dear Wendy.

I did not mean to say that Budha-Aditya occurs in this chart. It

does not It was mentioned only to show that Mercury in combination

with another planet is more stable.

Though Mercury in this chart is good being in own house, its

position in rasi without company of any other planet and only the

aspect of Mars did give him a brilliant mind but sans the stability.

i am glad you have pointed out the position of Gulika also.

As one studies the chart in further detail and dwells on it, new

features are revealed.

thanks. Looking forward to further views on this chart.

Neena

In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena,

>

> //All planets as you know ,are destroyed by their combustion in

the

> Sun and there is no 'bhanga' for this condition.

> Mercury if in own sign will be 'swastha" even when combust.//

>

> Correct! However, in this instance, Mercury at (aprox) 20° from

Sun

> escapes combustion.

>

> //A combination of Mercury and Sun in fact gives Budha-Aditya yoga

> which in itself facilitates mathematical abilities.//

>

> There can be no argument that Budha-Aditya Yoga bestows high

> intelligence etc., but this is formed when Sun and Mercury occupy

the

> same bhava (are conjunct). In this instance, Sun is in 12th house

> (29°20') whilst Mercury occupies 1st (19°15'). Therefore, to the

best

> of my knowledge, this yoga doesn't apply.

>

> //What I feel is that in the case of Nash the situation of Mercury

in

> Lagna in own sign but bereft of the company of any other planet has

> caused the schizophrenia.//

>

> Many people have Mercury alone but don't suffer any mental

> illness...perhaps we should distinguish between alone and being

> isolated i.e., no planet in the same house or in those next to

him.

> Then, we might say, as in Kemadruma Yoga, that this could be cause

> for concern. As we know, the sages give great importance to

planets

> occupying the houses next to Sun and Moon. Logic dictates that the

> same principle applies to all the planets...isolated is isolated!

>

> Because of the way Mercury is influenced by others, either by

aspect

> or conjunction, it's considered highly beneficial for him to be

> conjunct/aspected by a benefic. However, on his own (without

malefic

> aspect) he's considered a benefic. Mercury placed in kendra or

> trikona with strength (own sign, moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of

> deep friend) is not stripped of that strength by being

alone...what

> we can say however is that he's (further) benefited by the

> conjunction/aspect of a benefic...becomes a greater benefic!

>

> We know without doubt that Nash's intellectual ability (Mercury)

was

> strong...he was a mathematical genius! I maintain that this came

> about due to the influence of strong Mars...significator for

> mathematics and dispositor of 9th lord SA and KE. Ketu too is said

to

> give good mathematical ability...gives insight and promotes

> abstract/visionary ideas.

>

> But, like I said previously, Mars, owning 6th and 11th, is a dire

> malefic for this ascendant and obviously his aspect on Mercury

(and

> Moon) has been detrimental in terms of the mental disorder he's

> suffered...note also Mercury in nakshatra of Rahu.

>

> I agree with you wholeheartedly that input from other members

would

> be beneficial in shedding more light on this :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

February 15, 2006

///I did not mean to say that Budha-Aditya occurs in this chart. It

does not It was mentioned only to show that Mercury in combination

with another planet is more stable.///

Sorry Neena, I should have realised that. Oh! the perils of

communicating over the internet :-(

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 15, 2006

Dear Wendy,

You Wrote:

// Noting that waning Moon (in Nash's chart) is dispositor of

Gulika,//

In my Jhora 7.02 calculations, in the Rasi, I have Gulika 8* Leo/Su

with Maandi 19* Leo/Su. I refer to them as the little brothers or

shadows of Saturn.

In the Navamsha, I have Gulika in 2nd house Gemini/Me with Jupiter.

Maandi is placed in 5th house Virgo/Me with Sun. Moon with Mars and

Mercury are placed in Pisces 11th house.

2.26 Goravani Jyotish, in Rasi, I have Gulika 0* Virgo with another

upa Graha Kalavela placed at 22* Virgo. Ardhaprahara is place in

Gemini/Me 23*

I do not have the current and updated full version of Parashara 6.0,

(I only have a demo) so I can not access the Gulika placement or

other upgrahras from this software.

So, with these calculatons, Moon is not showing dipositer of Gulika.

I am showing however, in sync with others, all the graha placements

in Rasi and Navamsha.

Come to think about it, I think I ran into this problem last month

on another chart, with someone else also questioning the correct

placement of the Upa grahas, in particular Gulika.

Any thoughts? Or suggestions?

Uttara :-)

February 15, 2006

[Neena ji]

///Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.///

Not necessary! Kema Druma applies to Chandra, not to Budha!

///Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they

give effect as they would in their own house.///

I thought that Parivartana is different from Swakshetra?

And how can parivartana between trishadyadipati and

kendradipatidosha-afflicted Guru help?

As an aside - for Mituna, conjunction of Guru and Sani is bad,

though this is technically Darma Karmadipati Yoga.

Because, Guru rules two Kendras, which makes it evil. Sani,

though good thanks to 9th lordship, is afflicted by 8th

lordship.

[uttara ji]

///Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,///

Please call me Balaji, not Baliji! :-)

///Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this

chart is not highlighted?///

As per Mantreshwara's Phaladipika, more stress is given to

Moolatrikona - 9th for Sani in this case. But, you are right -

the effects of the 8th will be there, but the 9th will prevail.

So, this gives problems [8th], but solutions too [9th].

[Wendy ji]

///Mercury placed in kendra or trikona with strength (own sign,

moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of deep friend) is not stripped

of that strength by being alone///

Completely agree! Intelligence can survive alone - in fact, math

ability is improved by lonely contemplation.

Can you also give more details on Gulika? I have never

considered this upagraha - my software doesn't support it - but

I would like to know more. How can one calculate this point?

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 15, 2006

Dear Uttara,

///In my Jhora 7.02 calculations, in the Rasi, I have Gulika 8*

Leo/Su

with Maandi 19* Leo/Su. I refer to them as the little brothers or

shadows of Saturn.///

Gulika and Mandi are one and the same. Gulika is the son of Saturn

who is also known as Mandi. R. Santhanam, in his notes, says;

"Gulika and Mandi are one and the same and not different. This is

borne out by the statement of Parashara (vide BPHS Ch.4, sloka 15

Benares Hindi edition of Chaukhambha Sanskrita Sansthana). This

quarter is not available in our version. In this connection, please

refer to Prasna Marga and Jataka Parijatha."

///2.26 Goravani Jyotish, in Rasi, I have Gulika 0* Virgo with

another

upa Graha Kalavela placed at 22* Virgo. Ardhaprahara is place in

Gemini/Me 23*///

Parashara says in Ch.3:

70. GULIKA'S POSITION:

"The degree ascending at the time of start of Gulika's portion (as

above) will be the longitude of Gulika at a given place. Based on

this longitude only, Gulika's effects for a particularly nativity be

estimated."

However some people take the last degree (of Saturn's part) to be the

longitude of Gulika. Looking at Das's table for upagrahas it seems

he's taken the last part as Gulika's position. See on the table where

it says "..., and casting Ascendants for part ends". This is what it

seems to me - perhaps you can confirm this with Das.

///I do not have the current and updated full version of Parashara

6.0,

(I only have a demo) so I can not access the Gulika placement or

other upgrahras from this software.///

I think it's worth having :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 15, 2006

Dear Balaji,

///Can you also give more details on Gulika? I have never

considered this upagraha - my software doesn't support it - but

I would like to know more. How can one calculate this point?///

You'll find these following slokas in BPHS Ch.3:

66-69. CALCULATIONS OF GULIKA ETC.

The portions of the Sun, etc. up to Saturn denote the periods of

Gulika and others. Divide the day duration (of any week day) into

eight equal parts. The eighth portion is lordless. The seven portions

are distributed to the seven planets commencing from the lord of the

week day. Whichever portion is ruled by Saturn will be the portion of

Gulika. Similarly, make the night duration into eight equal parts and

distribute these commencing from the 5th day lord. Here again the

eighth portion is lordless while Saturn's portion is Gulika. The

Sun's portion is Kala, Mars' portion is Mrityu, Jupiter's portion is

Yamaghantaka, and Mercury's portion is Ardha Prahara. These

(durations) differently apply to different places (commensurate with

variable day and night durations).

70. GULIKA'S POSITION:

The degree ascending at the time of start of Gulika's portion (as

above) will be the longitude of Gulika at a given place. Based on

this longitude only, Gulika's effects for a particularly nativity be

estimated.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 15, 2006

Dear Balaji, Neena and All,

There is a yoga called "Paischacha Yoga" (I think) which refers to

Mercury being alone in a bhava. I saw a reference to it once and

wrote it down. However I've never found it anywhere else...does

anyone have more information on this?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:01 PM

Re: John Nash

[Neena ji]

///Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.///

Not necessary! Kema Druma applies to Chandra, not to Budha!

///Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they

give effect as they would in their own house.///

I thought that Parivartana is different from Swakshetra?

And how can parivartana between trishadyadipati and

kendradipatidosha-afflicted Guru help?

As an aside - for Mituna, conjunction of Guru and Sani is bad,

though this is technically Darma Karmadipati Yoga.

Because, Guru rules two Kendras, which makes it evil. Sani,

though good thanks to 9th lordship, is afflicted by 8th

lordship.

[uttara ji]

///Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,///

Please call me Balaji, not Baliji! :-)

///Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this

chart is not highlighted?///

As per Mantreshwara's Phaladipika, more stress is given to

Moolatrikona - 9th for Sani in this case. But, you are right -

the effects of the 8th will be there, but the 9th will prevail.

So, this gives problems [8th], but solutions too [9th].

[Wendy ji]

///Mercury placed in kendra or trikona with strength (own sign,

moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of deep friend) is not stripped

of that strength by being alone///

Completely agree! Intelligence can survive alone - in fact, math

ability is improved by lonely contemplation.

Can you also give more details on Gulika? I have never

considered this upagraha - my software doesn't support it - but

I would like to know more. How can one calculate this point?

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 16, 2006

-

Its good to be questioning and not accepting anything put forward.

Well as they say, the proof of the pudding is in eating it.

We can perhaps look up more charts to study the effect of Mercury

being alone in a sign.

You are right regarding Moon and Kemudrum yoga and you must be aware

of its cancellation with a planet being in kendra from Moon.

Mercury being alone in a sign is not the same as Moon being alone

with no planet on either side of it.

Maybe , geniuses are born when Mercury is very well placed but alone

in a sign? They tend to be different. This difference can manifest

at variuos levels and maybe relative to their environment. They are

not the run of mill people.

But it would be better to take up more horoscopes to check up this

phenomenon. Of course, the houses involved and influences on such

mercury will contribute a lot to the effects.

Parivartan is a very strong influence in a horoscope.

If you have a look at the horoscope of Mrs Indira Gandhi, there are

six planets in parivartan, the maximum possible. And this made her

an exceptional person. An exchange of signs is a strength.

Somehow, I have always felt that as a student of astrology, we try

to find reasons in a horoscope and very often do, but can we really

predict from a horoscope that some native is going to acheive such

great heights? I cannot!!

There is so much needed to improve in this field and one is

striving to do just that by interacting with others and sharing

their views.

Thank you very much for your inputs. Look forward to more such

studies.

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan

<sherlockbalaji wrote:

>

> [Neena ji]

>

> ///Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.///

>

> Not necessary! Kema Druma applies to Chandra, not to Budha!

>

> ///Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they

> give effect as they would in their own house.///

>

> I thought that Parivartana is different from Swakshetra?

>

> And how can parivartana between trishadyadipati and

> kendradipatidosha-afflicted Guru help?

>

> As an aside - for Mituna, conjunction of Guru and Sani is bad,

> though this is technically Darma Karmadipati Yoga.

>

> Because, Guru rules two Kendras, which makes it evil. Sani,

> though good thanks to 9th lordship, is afflicted by 8th

> lordship.

>

> [uttara ji]

>

> ///Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,///

>

> Please call me Balaji, not Baliji! :-)

>

> ///Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this

> chart is not highlighted?///

>

> As per Mantreshwara's Phaladipika, more stress is given to

> Moolatrikona - 9th for Sani in this case. But, you are right -

> the effects of the 8th will be there, but the 9th will prevail.

> So, this gives problems [8th], but solutions too [9th].

>

> [Wendy ji]

>

> ///Mercury placed in kendra or trikona with strength (own sign,

> moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of deep friend) is not stripped

> of that strength by being alone///

>

> Completely agree! Intelligence can survive alone - in fact, math

> ability is improved by lonely contemplation.

>

> Can you also give more details on Gulika? I have never

> considered this upagraha - my software doesn't support it - but

> I would like to know more. How can one calculate this point?

>

> ~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

> Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

> Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

> ~~~~~~~

>

February 16, 2006

---

Dear Wendy,

I have read about the paishacha yoga too but do not remember where.

Will try and look it up and post it if I can find it.

Neena

In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Balaji, Neena and All,

>

> There is a yoga called "Paischacha Yoga" (I think) which refers to

> Mercury being alone in a bhava. I saw a reference to it once and

> wrote it down. However I've never found it anywhere else...does

> anyone have more information on this?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "Balaji Narasimhan" <sherlockbalaji

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:01 PM

> Re: John Nash

>

> [Neena ji]

>

> ///Mercury when alone in a sign is considered weak.///

>

> Not necessary! Kema Druma applies to Chandra, not to Budha!

>

> ///Also note the exchange of Jupiter and Mars. In exchange they

> give effect as they would in their own house.///

>

> I thought that Parivartana is different from Swakshetra?

>

> And how can parivartana between trishadyadipati and

> kendradipatidosha-afflicted Guru help?

>

> As an aside - for Mituna, conjunction of Guru and Sani is bad,

> though this is technically Darma Karmadipati Yoga.

>

> Because, Guru rules two Kendras, which makes it evil. Sani,

> though good thanks to 9th lordship, is afflicted by 8th

> lordship.

>

> [uttara ji]

>

> ///Thanks to Baliji, Wedny and Neena and to all,///

>

> Please call me Balaji, not Baliji! :-)

>

> ///Can 8th house be discussed and why its influence in this

> chart is not highlighted?///

>

> As per Mantreshwara's Phaladipika, more stress is given to

> Moolatrikona - 9th for Sani in this case. But, you are right -

> the effects of the 8th will be there, but the 9th will prevail.

> So, this gives problems [8th], but solutions too [9th].

>

> [Wendy ji]

>

> ///Mercury placed in kendra or trikona with strength (own sign,

> moolatrikona, exaltation, sign of deep friend) is not stripped

> of that strength by being alone///

>

> Completely agree! Intelligence can survive alone - in fact, math

> ability is improved by lonely contemplation.

>

> Can you also give more details on Gulika? I have never

> considered this upagraha - my software doesn't support it - but

> I would like to know more. How can one calculate this point?

>

> ~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

> Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

> Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

> ~~~~~~~

>

February 16, 2006

[Wendy ji]

Many thanks for details on calculating Gulika.

Regarding Paischacha Yoga - no, I haven't heard of it. Will see

if I can find it in Bepin Behari's "Astrology Simplified" at

home.

Personally, do you really thing that Budha - alone in a sign,

unaspected - will be harmful? Especially if he becomes benefic

by ownership?

[Neena ji]

///Parivartan is a very strong influence in a horoscope.///

Yes - provided the grahas rule *good* houses. Parivartana with

lords of trishadyas, dushtanas, and kendradipati dosha afflicted

grahas cannot do much good.

///We can perhaps look up more charts to study the effect of

Mercury being alone in a sign.///

Sure! However, the problem is, a lot of other factors can come

into play.

Take Kema Druma for instance - a cousin of mine has it [sorry, I

can't share his birth data!]

He has Jyeshta Nakshatra - neecha Chandra - and kemadruma, and

Chandra aspected by no graha.

Yet, though he is sometimes moody, he is well liked and adored

by all, and studying a PDH.

He also has Vichitra Raja Yoga - all dushtanadipatis in

dustanas.

Classic Kema Druma description has so far not applied to him! It

might, when he turns 38 - when he runs Dasa of Neecha Chandra.

Also, brilliance is governed by 5th - and by 9th as per Bhavat

Bhavam. So, if 5th is very strong, then one might be brilliant,

Budha's status notwithstanding.

///Somehow, I have always felt that as a student of astrology,

we try to find reasons in a horoscope and very often do, but

can we really predict from a horoscope that some native is going

to acheive such great heights? I cannot!!///

I agree! But, maybe this applies for people like you and me

because we are beginners? Some experienced person - like Wendy

ji - can, I'm sure, study the strengths of the grahas, locate

the appropriate dasas, and say who will achieve greatness.

Personally, I can locate Dasa/Buktis and say when somebody will

go thru ups/downs. But, predicting the qauntum of greatness

he/she will achieve - this I cannot do with the knowledge I

currently possess.

~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

~~~~~~~

February 16, 2006

Dear Balaji,

///Regarding Paischacha Yoga - no, I haven't heard of it. Will see

if I can find it in Bepin Behari's "Astrology Simplified" at

home.

Personally, do you really thing that Budha - alone in a sign,

unaspected - will be harmful? Especially if he becomes benefic

by ownership?///

Just quickly whilst I'm still here...

No, of course not. I cannot see how the significations of strong F/B

Mercury could be harmed by being alone in a house. However the

solitary occupation of a weak or debilitated Mercury is another

matter, don't you agree?

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

February 16, 2006

-

Balaji,

Mercury alone cannot give mental disease there are so many cases of

Mental diseases where Mercury is not alone.

i have also gone through the birth details of some other

schizophrenics where Mercury is not alone.

Also in some cases Schizophrenia is not a permanent condition.

It can be in remission as it was in the case of Nash.

But somehow Nash went over the edge.

Some say that it was probably due to too much stress on the thinking

processes.

A weak fabric will give way due to stress applied to it at the point

of weakness.

Mercury in this case is also the lagna lord and under affliction

from Mars and no support from any other planet. so the lagna

(native) is affected inspite of brilliance.

Regarding parivartan, it definitely gives strength to the planets .

It may be for good or bad.

-- In jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan

<sherlockbalaji wrote:

>

> [Wendy ji]

>

> Many thanks for details on calculating Gulika.

>

> Regarding Paischacha Yoga - no, I haven't heard of it. Will see

> if I can find it in Bepin Behari's "Astrology Simplified" at

> home.

>

> Personally, do you really thing that Budha - alone in a sign,

> unaspected - will be harmful? Especially if he becomes benefic

> by ownership?

>

> [Neena ji]

>

> ///Parivartan is a very strong influence in a horoscope.///

>

> Yes - provided the grahas rule *good* houses. Parivartana with

> lords of trishadyas, dushtanas, and kendradipati dosha afflicted

> grahas cannot do much good.

>

> ///We can perhaps look up more charts to study the effect of

> Mercury being alone in a sign.///

>

> Sure! However, the problem is, a lot of other factors can come

> into play.

>

> Take Kema Druma for instance - a cousin of mine has it [sorry, I

> can't share his birth data!]

>

> He has Jyeshta Nakshatra - neecha Chandra - and kemadruma, and

> Chandra aspected by no graha.

>

> Yet, though he is sometimes moody, he is well liked and adored

> by all, and studying a PDH.

>

> He also has Vichitra Raja Yoga - all dushtanadipatis in

> dustanas.

>

> Classic Kema Druma description has so far not applied to him! It

> might, when he turns 38 - when he runs Dasa of Neecha Chandra.

>

> Also, brilliance is governed by 5th - and by 9th as per Bhavat

> Bhavam. So, if 5th is very strong, then one might be brilliant,

> Budha's status notwithstanding.

>

> ///Somehow, I have always felt that as a student of astrology,

> we try to find reasons in a horoscope and very often do, but

> can we really predict from a horoscope that some native is going

> to acheive such great heights? I cannot!!///

>

> I agree! But, maybe this applies for people like you and me

> because we are beginners? Some experienced person - like Wendy

> ji - can, I'm sure, study the strengths of the grahas, locate

> the appropriate dasas, and say who will achieve greatness.

>

> Personally, I can locate Dasa/Buktis and say when somebody will

> go thru ups/downs. But, predicting the qauntum of greatness

> he/she will achieve - this I cannot do with the knowledge I

> currently possess.

>

> ~~~~~~~

> Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm

> Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs

> Editor, The Partial Art of Detection

> ~~~~~~~

>

February 16, 2006

Dear List,

I'm enjoying so much seeing your comments on John Nash's chart - really

excellent thoughts and study.

Want to add a quick point. I think Nash's expression of this disease and

condition shows in the Gandanta state of his Moon and Mars conjoined. I

think in this particular chart, what Wendy has written below and responding

to your statement Balaji regarding Moon and Mars is important in this chart

especially when we look through the lense of Gandanta. The fact that his

Lagnesh Mercury is in Ardra, and Rahu also exalted in Rohini, Moon's star,

and the only planet in Moon's star, give more hint to this as well. Also the

only aspect onto this Lagna is this tightly conjoined Mars/Moon, which both

are Vargottom and conjoined his Rasi Lagnesh Mercury in Navamsa. Mercury

goes directly into the same star, Revati, here where this Gandanta is taking

place in the Rasi chart, and Moon is Vargottom even in nakshatra. Perhaps

good to note as well, in Navamsa chart Lagnesh Venus, as well as the

Ascendent degree itself are in Mrityu Bhaga degrees.

Can someone post Einstein's birth data as well? Sorry to have lost it all

and I don't have Das' program yet (which is loaded with many famous birth

times) on this newer computer, nor time to search Internet right now.

This brilliance Nash shows goes along exactly with a Gandanta Moon tightly

conjoined Mars, and it's very interesting to read that Mars signifies Math.

That they are in the star of Mercury, his Lagna and yet another signifier of

math and brilliance is very intriguing. This visionary quality that you've

mentioned below Wendy, also is something that is attributed often with the

state of Gandanta, and that it is his Moon, I think this is more so.

There is so much more on this very interesting chart - I hope to get back to

this soon. Thanks for all your very interesting posts.

All Blessings,

Patrice

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jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek

Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:24 AM

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