Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Dear List, Another thought on Nash is the fame he's experienced with this, and movie, all.. My significator book lists Sun and 10th house. These two planets Gandanta, Moon/Mars, in 10th house. Another interesting thing I've just found in a second significator book : Famous: Sun, Venus, Punarvasu, Jyestha Interestingly, Nash's Rasi ascendant is in Punarvasu, Jupiter's star, and in Navamsa Jupiter himself is in Punarvasu and with Parivartana with Rasi Lagnesh Mercury, now conjoined with this Vargottom Moon and Mars. In Navamsa, again Mars along with this Mercury and Moon are now the only planets aspecting this Jupiter in Punarvasu. (This Jupiter in Navamsa by bhava conjoined Rahu, Rahu just barely into Gemini in Sandhi. Rahu in Rasi chart conjoined extreme Sandhi Sun tightly conjoined along with Lagnesh Venus in Navamsa chart - while exalted Ketu in 6H is in Jyestha.) Best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Patrice Curry Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:02 PM jyotish-vidya RE: John Nash Dear List, I'm enjoying so much seeing your comments on John Nash's chart - really excellent thoughts and study. Want to add a quick point. I think Nash's expression of this disease and condition shows in the Gandanta state of his Moon and Mars conjoined. I think in this particular chart, what Wendy has written below and responding to your statement Balaji regarding Moon and Mars is important in this chart especially when we look through the lense of Gandanta. The fact that his Lagnesh Mercury is in Ardra, and Rahu also exalted in Rohini, Moon's star, and the only planet in Moon's star, give more hint to this as well. Also the only aspect onto this Lagna is this tightly conjoined Mars/Moon, which both are Vargottom and conjoined his Rasi Lagnesh Mercury in Navamsa. Mercury goes directly into the same star, Revati, here where this Gandanta is taking place in the Rasi chart, and Moon is Vargottom even in nakshatra. Perhaps good to note as well, in Navamsa chart Lagnesh Venus, as well as the Ascendent degree itself are in Mrityu Bhaga degrees. Can someone post Einstein's birth data as well? Sorry to have lost it all and I don't have Das' program yet (which is loaded with many famous birth times) on this newer computer, nor time to search Internet right now. This brilliance Nash shows goes along exactly with a Gandanta Moon tightly conjoined Mars, and it's very interesting to read that Mars signifies Math. That they are in the star of Mercury, his Lagna and yet another signifier of math and brilliance is very intriguing. This visionary quality that you've mentioned below Wendy, also is something that is attributed often with the state of Gandanta, and that it is his Moon, I think this is more so. There is so much more on this very interesting chart - I hope to get back to this soon. Thanks for all your very interesting posts. All Blessings, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:24 AM jyotish-vidya Re: John Nash Dear Balaji and All, You Wrote: //Math abilities: Budha and Kuja rule math. Lagnadipati Budha is strongly placed in Lagna, though neecha in Navamsa. Kuja is Vargotamma, conjunct Vargotamma 2nd lord Chandra [creativity], and in the star of Budha.// As I see it, there are several indications for his mathematical genius. As you say, Mars is a significator for mathematics and so too is Ketu who, along with 9th lord Saturn is disposited by Mars who (greatly) influences mind (Moon). Both Mars and Moon are in nakshatra of Mercury...we're told that the relationship between ME/MO promotes intelligence. Ketu's link with mathematics is understood through his abstract nature...bestowing abstract (or visionary) ideas. Note Einstein's chart with Ketu's dispositor (Moon) in sign of Mars etc, etc.. //Schizophrenia: Chandra is conjunct Kuja, which, apart from creating Chandra Mangala Yoga, can also lead to mental disturbances.// I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional nature of Mars in this chart. Mars owns two trishadaya houses (6, 11) with 11th being his moolatrikona. Of course we're not overlooking the other implications of these houses; daily work(6th), long-term desires/gains(11th). But, as we're told, trishadaya lords signify difficulties and/or disease...conjunct Moon, well his history with mental illness is undenialble. And (again) we see both 4th lord Mercury and 5th lord Venus combust 3rd lord Sun...another trishadaya lord. Both the probability and severity of (any) illness depends on several factors. Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude that, because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be in danger of mental illness. The fact is that many things come together to determine individual results. Hope to see some input from other members... 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Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Patrice - question below... jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear List, > > I'm enjoying so much seeing your comments on John Nash's chart - really > excellent thoughts and study. > > Want to add a quick point. I think Nash's expression of this disease and > condition shows in the Gandanta state of his Moon and Mars conjoined. I > think in this particular chart, what Wendy has written below and responding > to your statement Balaji regarding Moon and Mars is important in this chart > especially when we look through the lense of Gandanta. The fact that his > Lagnesh Mercury is in Ardra, and Rahu also exalted in Rohini, Moon's star, > and the only planet in Moon's star, give more hint to this as well. Also the > only aspect onto this Lagna is this tightly conjoined Mars/Moon, which both > are Vargottom and conjoined his Rasi Lagnesh Mercury in Navamsa. Mercury > goes directly into the same star, Revati, here where this Gandanta is taking > place in the Rasi chart, and Moon is Vargottom even in nakshatra. Perhaps > good to note as well, in Navamsa chart Lagnesh Venus, as well as the > Ascendent degree itself are in Mrityu Bhaga degrees. > > > > Can someone post Einstein's birth data as well? Sorry to have lost it all > and I don't have Das' program yet (which is loaded with many famous birth > times) on this newer computer, nor time to search Internet right now. > > > > This brilliance Nash shows goes along exactly with a Gandanta Moon tightly > conjoined Mars, and it's very interesting to read that Mars signifies Math. > That they are in the star of Mercury, his Lagna and yet another signifier of > math and brilliance is very intriguing. This visionary quality that you've > mentioned below Wendy, also is something that is attributed often with the > state of Gandanta, and that it is his Moon, I think this is more so. > I hadn't heard that gandanta would bring a visionary quality. Can you say more about that? Like where the idea originates, or what the reason might be? Any info appreciated :-) I can only add a trivial observation on Nash's chart, which is that Mars (mathematics) and Mercury (intellect and logic) have directional strength, about which Defouw & Svoboda say "The effect of directional strength (dig bala) on a planet is much the same as the effect of exaltation". The Moon (emotional mind) has directional weakness. regards Barney > > > There is so much more on this very interesting chart - I hope to get back to > this soon. Thanks for all your very interesting posts. > > > > All Blessings, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] > On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek > Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:24 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: John Nash > > > > Dear Balaji and All, > > You Wrote: > //Math abilities: Budha and Kuja rule math. Lagnadipati Budha is > strongly placed in Lagna, though neecha in Navamsa. Kuja is > Vargotamma, conjunct Vargotamma 2nd lord Chandra [creativity], > and in the star of Budha.// > > As I see it, there are several indications for his mathematical > genius. As you say, Mars is a significator for mathematics and so too > is Ketu who, along with 9th lord Saturn is disposited by Mars who > (greatly) influences mind (Moon). Both Mars and Moon are in nakshatra > of Mercury...we're told that the relationship between ME/MO promotes > intelligence. Ketu's link with mathematics is understood through his > abstract nature...bestowing abstract (or visionary) ideas. Note > Einstein's chart with Ketu's dispositor (Moon) in sign of Mars etc, > etc.. > > //Schizophrenia: Chandra is conjunct Kuja, which, apart from > creating Chandra Mangala Yoga, can also lead to mental > disturbances.// > > I think the affliction is due (primarily) to the functional nature of > Mars in this chart. Mars owns two trishadaya houses (6, 11) with 11th > being his moolatrikona. Of course we're not overlooking the other > implications of these houses; daily work(6th), long-term > desires/gains(11th). But, as we're told, trishadaya lords signify > difficulties and/or disease...conjunct Moon, well his history with > mental illness is undenialble. And (again) we see both 4th lord > Mercury and 5th lord Venus combust 3rd lord Sun...another trishadaya > lord. Both the probability and severity of (any) illness depends on > several factors. > > Novice astrologers might look at this chart and conclude that, > because they too have Chandra-Mangala Yoga, they might be in danger > of mental illness. The fact is that many things come together to > determine individual results. > > Hope to see some input from other members... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Hi Barney, Don't you love Defouw and Svobada's book, Light on Life. Thanks for this information regarding directional strength. I should take note of that more often. Regarding your question: Defouw and Svoboda speak of the often auspiciousness for certain spiritual endeavors that a sandhi position can bring. Gandanta being a "double sandhi". In practice I have noticed sometimes this special quality as well in an individual with a planet in Gandanta, related to the specific planet. Though from a health standpoint, there are usually problems associated with Gandanta and I am in complete agreement with the authors that these planets need strengthening. My main Jyotish study has been with regards to health issues, and when the Moon is involved I have seen complicated issues related to Moon and/or depression on other charts. I am still just a student, and researcher. I have seen though some special aspects to Gandanta and I think it is important to bring them up for those who may have Gandanta planets and understand how these planets are special, not only that they are inauspicious for worldly matters. In the case of visionary, I think the Moon is the special addition to the mix of this Gandanta. Being that this is also taking place in Revati, Pisces, I think this adds to this as well. Perhaps what I wrote is misleading - forgive my quick writing - I meant that Gandanta itself can bring special qualities, meaning a unique, special or otherworldly quality related to the Gandanta planet/planets. In his case it is the Moon and Mars. I have lost all my old charts and database to refer to and give you examples. sorry.. I wrote this from my studies with charts. My significator book lists for Visionaries: Moon, Neptune All best wishes, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of barney3728080 Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:33 PM jyotish-vidya Re: John Nash Hi Patrice - question below... I hadn't heard that gandanta would bring a visionary quality. Can you say more about that? Like where the idea originates, or what the reason might be? Any info appreciated :-) I can only add a trivial observation on Nash's chart, which is that Mars (mathematics) and Mercury (intellect and logic) have directional strength, about which Defouw & Svoboda say "The effect of directional strength (dig bala) on a planet is much the same as the effect of exaltation". The Moon (emotional mind) has directional weakness. regards Barney Vedic </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=P ersonal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO4 MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> astrology Personal </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKj D0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> reading Astrology </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=P ersonal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc 37ZQ_wOuOlD9B7beQ> chart Astrology </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w 2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> software _____ * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya> " on the web. * jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> * <> Terms of Service. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry wrote: > > Hi Barney, > > > > Don't you love Defouw and Svobada's book, Light on Life. Thanks for this > information regarding directional strength. I should take note of that more > often. > > > > Regarding your question: > > Defouw and Svoboda speak of the often auspiciousness for certain spiritual > endeavors that a sandhi position can bring. Gandanta being a "double > sandhi". > > > > In practice I have noticed sometimes this special quality as well in an > individual with a planet in Gandanta, related to the specific planet. Though > from a health standpoint, there are usually problems associated with > Gandanta and I am in complete agreement with the authors that these planets > need strengthening. My main Jyotish study has been with regards to health > issues, and when the Moon is involved I have seen complicated issues related > to Moon and/or depression on other charts. I am still just a student, and > researcher. I have seen though some special aspects to Gandanta and I think > it is important to bring them up for those who may have Gandanta planets and > understand how these planets are special, not only that they are > inauspicious for worldly matters. > > > > In the case of visionary, I think the Moon is the special addition to the > mix of this Gandanta. Being that this is also taking place in Revati, > Pisces, I think this adds to this as well. Perhaps what I wrote is > misleading - forgive my quick writing - I meant that Gandanta itself can > bring special qualities, meaning a unique, special or otherworldly quality > related to the Gandanta planet/planets. In his case it is the Moon and Mars. > I have lost all my old charts and database to refer to and give you > examples. sorry.. I wrote this from my studies with charts. > > > > My significator book lists for Visionaries: Moon, Neptune > > > > All best wishes, > > Patrice > Thanks Patrice. Now that you remind me I do remember Defouw and Svoboda saying something about the spiritual nature of sandhis. I guess a visionary considers non-mundane matters, and non-mundane matters are kind of spiritual. I think I need to go and re-read their books :-) Thanks again Barney > _____ > > jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] > On Behalf Of barney3728080 > Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:33 PM > jyotish-vidya > Re: John Nash > > > > Hi Patrice - question below... > I hadn't heard that gandanta would bring a visionary quality. Can you > say more about that? Like where the idea originates, or what the > reason might be? Any info appreciated :-) > > I can only add a trivial observation on Nash's chart, which is that > Mars (mathematics) and Mercury (intellect and logic) have directional > strength, about which Defouw & Svoboda say "The effect of directional > strength (dig bala) on a planet is much the same as the effect of > exaltation". The Moon (emotional mind) has directional weakness. > > regards > Barney > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [Wendy ji] ///However the solitary occupation of a weak or debilitated Mercury is another matter, don't you agree?/// Yes! But, Budha, when neecha, will cause trouble regaqrding the houses he owns - irrespective of whether he is alone or not. [Neena ji] ///i have also gone through the birth details of some other schizophrenics where Mercury is not alone./// I have seen the chart of one schizophernic - Chandra in Magha, while Sani conjuncts Ketu and aspects said Chandra, who is in 6/8 positions with Guru. ///A weak fabric will give way due to stress applied to it at the point of weakness./// Yes! But, is not Chandra more important, as karaka for mind as opposed to intelligence? Remember, Purusha Suktam says "Chandrama Manaso Jatahah" - the moon sprang from His mind! [Patrice ji] ///I think Nash's expression of this disease and condition shows in the Gandanta state of his Moon and Mars conjoined./// Nakshatra Gandantha always occurs between stars of Budha - Ketu --Aslesha/Magha, Jyeshta/Moola, Revati/Ashwini. This is very interesting with respect to mental diseases - Budha and Ketu signifying abstract intelligence together. ///Can someone post Einstein's birth data as well?/// Astrodatabank gives this data with "AA" rating: March 14, 1879; 11:30 AM; Ulm, Germany [48 N 24 / 10 E 00] ~~~~~~~ Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs Editor, The Partial Art of Detection ~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 - Dear Balaji, Patrice has brought up a very valid reason for the weakness of the Moon... its close conjunction with malefic Mars and its placement in Gandanta. You are right, moon rules the mind and so does Mercury. Mercury also rules intelligence and if it is weak it can cloud the mind and thinking. Do you think this explains the paranoid schizophrenia that Nash suffered from? He could hear voices and was unable to focus on Mathematics. This condition struck him at the age of 30 or nearabout. There may be other factors to leading to the condition. Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, Balaji Narasimhan <sherlockbalaji wrote: > > [Wendy ji] > > ///However the solitary occupation of a weak or debilitated > Mercury is another matter, don't you agree?/// > > Yes! But, Budha, when neecha, will cause trouble regaqrding the > houses he owns - irrespective of whether he is alone or not. > > [Neena ji] > > ///i have also gone through the birth details of some other > schizophrenics where Mercury is not alone./// > > I have seen the chart of one schizophernic - Chandra in Magha, > while Sani conjuncts Ketu and aspects said Chandra, who is in > 6/8 positions with Guru. > > ///A weak fabric will give way due to stress applied to it at > the point of weakness./// > > Yes! But, is not Chandra more important, as karaka for mind as > opposed to intelligence? Remember, Purusha Suktam says > "Chandrama Manaso Jatahah" - the moon sprang from His mind! > > [Patrice ji] > > ///I think Nash's expression of this disease and condition shows > in the Gandanta state of his Moon and Mars conjoined./// > > Nakshatra Gandantha always occurs between stars of Budha - Ketu > --Aslesha/Magha, Jyeshta/Moola, Revati/Ashwini. This is very > interesting with respect to mental diseases - Budha and Ketu > signifying abstract intelligence together. > > ///Can someone post Einstein's birth data as well?/// > > Astrodatabank gives this data with "AA" rating: > > March 14, 1879; 11:30 AM; Ulm, Germany [48 N 24 / 10 E 00] > > ~~~~~~~ > Balaji Narasimhan * http://www.sherlock-holmes.com/balaji.htm > Author, Sherlock Holmes: Solutions from the Sussex Downs > Editor, The Partial Art of Detection > ~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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