Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hari Om, According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next highest longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka not Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? My birth data is: Olusanya Bey September 28, 1961 Time: 8:20:00 am Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA Altitude: 15.00 meters Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka bahu dhanyavAdAH. Namaste, olusanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dear Olusanya, Tell me what dasa system are you using, and what aspects i.e. graha aspects or rasi aspects?? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "olu_bey" <olusanya <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:39 AM Rahu as Amatyakaraka? Hari Om, According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next highest longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka not Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? My birth data is: Olusanya Bey September 28, 1961 Time: 8:20:00 am Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA Altitude: 15.00 meters Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka bahu dhanyavAdAH. Namaste, olusanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hari Om Wendy, I use Vimsottari dasa. Are you asking what rasi and graha drishtis for Rahu? RAHU Kanya, Surya 2nd House Dhanus, Shani 5th House Kumbha, Ketu 7th House Mesha 9th House The Rasi drishtis are Simha, Thula and Makara [i think thats all of them]. Thanks Much Namaste, olusanya On 2/13/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Olusanya, > > Tell me what dasa system are you using, and what aspects i.e. graha > aspects or rasi aspects?? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "olu_bey" <olusanya > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:39 AM > Rahu as Amatyakaraka? > > > Hari Om, > > According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed > because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next highest > longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka > not > Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according > to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? > My birth data is: > > Olusanya Bey > September 28, 1961 > Time: 8:20:00 am > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" > Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA > Altitude: 15.00 meters > > > Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa > Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka > Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka > Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka > Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka > Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka > Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka > Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka > Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka > > bahu dhanyavAdAH. > > Namaste, > olusanya > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> Personal > reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&\ w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" > on the web. > > - > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya- (AT) (DOT) \ com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- In the practice of popular religion, a divine authority is established outside of one's being. In the real practice of deep spirituality, one realizes the divinity within oneself; there is no real separation between the universal nature and one's divine nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Dear Olusanya, The point is that if you're using a Jaimini rasi dasa then (only) is it appropriate to use rasi aspects and chara karakas. If you follow the vimsottari system it's appropriate to use graha aspects and natural (permanent) karakas. It's a huge mistake to mix the two systems. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Olusanya Bey" <olusanya <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? Hari Om Wendy, I use Vimsottari dasa. Are you asking what rasi and graha drishtis for Rahu? RAHU Kanya, Surya 2nd House Dhanus, Shani 5th House Kumbha, Ketu 7th House Mesha 9th House The Rasi drishtis are Simha, Thula and Makara [i think thats all of them]. Thanks Much Namaste, olusanya On 2/13/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 BTW I adhere to the rule that the nodes cast no aspect. As a matter of interest can you show me (use any chart) the effect of 7th nodal aspect i.e., mutual aspect between Rahu and Ketu. ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:51 AM Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? Dear Olusanya, The point is that if you're using a Jaimini rasi dasa then (only) is it appropriate to use rasi aspects and chara karakas. If you follow the vimsottari system it's appropriate to use graha aspects and natural (permanent) karakas. It's a huge mistake to mix the two systems. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Olusanya Bey" <olusanya <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? Hari Om Wendy, I use Vimsottari dasa. Are you asking what rasi and graha drishtis for Rahu? RAHU Kanya, Surya 2nd House Dhanus, Shani 5th House Kumbha, Ketu 7th House Mesha 9th House The Rasi drishtis are Simha, Thula and Makara [i think thats all of them]. Thanks Much Namaste, olusanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hari Om Wendy, I have read where you make the point of not mixing the two systems, I will keep this in mind. In my reading of the BPHS in chapter 32 Parasara speaks about 8 Chara Karakas before mentioning the Constant Karakatwas, and it is my understanding that Parasara preferred the Vimsottari dasa system. Am I incorrect? Namaste, olusanya On 2/13/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Olusanya, > > The point is that if you're using a Jaimini rasi dasa then (only) is > it appropriate to use rasi aspects and chara karakas. If you follow > the vimsottari system it's appropriate to use graha aspects and > natural (permanent) karakas. It's a huge mistake to mix the two > systems. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Olusanya Bey" <olusanya > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM > Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? > > > Hari Om Wendy, > > I use Vimsottari dasa. Are you asking what rasi and graha drishtis > for Rahu? > > > RAHU Kanya, Surya 2nd House > Dhanus, Shani 5th House > Kumbha, Ketu 7th House > Mesha 9th House > > The Rasi drishtis are Simha, Thula and Makara [i think thats all of > them]. > > Thanks Much > Namaste, > olusanya > > On 2/13/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> Personal > reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&\ w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" > on the web. > > - > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya- (AT) (DOT) \ com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- In the practice of popular religion, a divine authority is established outside of one's being. In the real practice of deep spirituality, one realizes the divinity within oneself; there is no real separation between the universal nature and one's divine nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hari Om Wendy, I am a beginner to jyotish, so I am still learning to understand the drishtis. I am here to learn and all references I make are from the literature I have read thus far, as well as answers given to me by practicing astrologers. as I become more familiar with the different schools of thought I will settle on what I think works best for me. Until then I will ask questions and weigh the answers given according to my degree of understanding. Namaste, olusanya On 2/13/06, Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: > > BTW I adhere to the rule that the nodes cast no aspect. As a matter > of interest can you show me (use any chart) the effect of 7th nodal > aspect i.e., mutual aspect between Rahu and Ketu. > ______________________________ > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:51 AM > Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? > > > Dear Olusanya, > > The point is that if you're using a Jaimini rasi dasa then (only) is > it appropriate to use rasi aspects and chara karakas. If you follow > the vimsottari system it's appropriate to use graha aspects and > natural (permanent) karakas. It's a huge mistake to mix the two > systems. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Olusanya Bey" <olusanya > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM > Re: Rahu as Amatyakaraka? > > > Hari Om Wendy, > > I use Vimsottari dasa. Are you asking what rasi and graha drishtis > for Rahu? > > > RAHU Kanya, Surya 2nd House > Dhanus, Shani 5th House > Kumbha, Ketu 7th House > Mesha 9th House > > The Rasi drishtis are Simha, Thula and Makara [i think thats all of > them]. > > Thanks Much > Namaste, > olusanya > > > > > > Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=\ Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> Vedic > astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart\ &w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> Personal > reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&\ w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" > on the web. > > - > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya- (AT) (DOT) \ com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- In the practice of popular religion, a divine authority is established outside of one's being. In the real practice of deep spirituality, one realizes the divinity within oneself; there is no real separation between the universal nature and one's divine nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Namaste The system that JHora uses in this calcuation is to subtract the degree of Rahu from 30 degrees, because Rahu traverses thought the constellations backwards. In other words, even though Rahu is at ~2 degrees in the sign, it has already traversed ~28 degrees through the sign. Therefor, according to this system it has the 2nd highest degree and is said to be Amatyakaraka. I have to say that as a fellow beginner I think it is better to stick to one system. Don't shop around for too long, otherwise you won't have time to really get a deep understanding of any one system. I agree with what Wendy has suggested to you. Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "olu_bey" <olusanya wrote: > > Hari Om, > > According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed > because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next highest > longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka not > Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according > to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? > My birth data is: > > Olusanya Bey > September 28, 1961 > Time: 8:20:00 am > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" > Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA > Altitude: 15.00 meters > > > Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa > Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka > Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka > Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka > Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka > Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka > Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka > Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka > Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka > > bahu dhanyavAdAH. > > Namaste, > olusanya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hari Om Sean, Thank you for your clarification! At this point I use one source of reference in my studies, that is the BHPS. The Chara Karakas are Parasara's first reference to Karakas, that is why I asked a question about them. Until Wendy's reference to the Jaimini system I have never thought about that particular system. I realize that different practitioners of Jyotish have their preferences, that is why I stick to the BPHS as my main source of information, it is also why I use Vimsottari dasa as opposed to the many other dasa systems. My question remains... if Parasara and Jaimini are, in fact, two different systems why does Parasara mention Chara Karakas before the Constant Karakatwas when discussing Karakas? Why would he explain another system before his own? Keep in mind... this wasn't a question for me until Wendy's response. I agree that as beginners we should focus our study. My focus is the BPHS and the teachings of Maharishi Parasara. Namaste, olusanya _____________ On 2/14/06, Sean Patrick Kelly <toosean wrote: > Namaste > > The system that JHora uses in this calcuation is to subtract the > degree of Rahu from 30 degrees, because Rahu traverses thought the > constellations backwards. In other words, even though Rahu is at ~2 > degrees in the sign, it has already traversed ~28 degrees through the > sign. Therefor, according to this system it has the 2nd highest > degree and is said to be Amatyakaraka. > > I have to say that as a fellow beginner I think it is better to stick > to one system. Don't shop around for too long, otherwise you won't > have time to really get a deep understanding of any one system. I > agree with what Wendy has suggested to you. > > Take it easy, > Sean > > jyotish-vidya, "olu_bey" <olusanya wrote: > > > > Hari Om, > > > > According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed > > because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next > highest > > longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka > not > > Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according > > to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? > > My birth data is: > > > > Olusanya Bey > > September 28, 1961 > > Time: 8:20:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" > > Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA > > Altitude: 15.00 meters > > > > > > Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa > > Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka > > Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka > > Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka > > Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka > > Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka > > Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka > > Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka > > Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka > > > > bahu dhanyavAdAH. > > > > Namaste, > > olusanya > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading > > ________________________________ > > > > Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > ________________________________ > -- In the practice of popular religion, a divine authority is established outside of one's being. In the real practice of deep spirituality, one realizes the divinity within oneself; there is no real separation between the universal nature and one's divine nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 jyotish-vidya, Olusanya Bey <olusanya <snip> > My question remains... if Parasara and Jaimini are, in fact, two > different systems why does Parasara mention Chara Karakas before the > Constant Karakatwas when discussing Karakas? Why would he explain > another system before his own? Namaste This is a question for me too -- one of the members mentioned something along the lines that Jaimini and other systems have crept into BPHS over the years. I certainly do not have the details or verification that this is indeed true. But I do notice that in sections the writing style seems to be inconsistent -- of course, that could be the translation as well. Take it easy, Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Sean and Olusanya, Perhaps I can clear the muddy waters a bit :-) Olusanya Wrote: //My question remains... if Parasara and Jaimini are, in fact, two different systems why does Parasara mention Chara Karakas before the Constant Karakatwas when discussing Karakas? Why would he explain another system before his own? Keep in mind... this wasn't a question for me until Wendy's response. I agree that as beginners we should focus our study. My focus is the BPHS and the teachings of Maharishi Parasara.// Sean Wrote: //This is a question for me too -- one of the members mentioned something along the lines that Jaimini and other systems have crept into BPHS over the years. I certainly do not have the details or verification that this is indeed true. But I do notice that in sections the writing style seems to be inconsistent -- of course, that could be the translation as well.// My Response: As we know, the dasa system is the principle method of prediction...this is how we determine when karma will fructify. There are several dasa systems but the one recommended by Parashara to be most effective for the general population in Kali Yuga is the Vimsottari dasa. In this system, starting from the nakshatra lord, each graha follows in a certain sequence for a certain length of time. We should be able to understand quite easily why, in this (graha specific) system, graha aspects and constant karakas are employed. Other major dasa systems employed are the Chara dasas which are recommended by Jaimini and also included in BPHS. These dasas are based on the Rasis (signs). One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that Rasi aspects and Chara karakas are used with this system. Rather than argueing endlessly which is Parashara and which is Jaimini it would be much simpler if we just remembered that Vimsottari dasa is recommended by Parashara and the Chara dasas are recommended by Jaimini. People are free to use whatever dasa system they choose. The big mistake I see happening (all the time) is mixing the two together. THEY ARE SEPERATE SYSTEMS EACH WITH THEIR OWN UNIQUE RULES!! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Sir, Learned Seers initially therfore intended to make jyotish as precise as possible and would not like to to accord status of planet to nodes.In all their calculations particularly in Shadbal and in others approved for seven planets.it is not that they rule out influences of upagrahas on the life.Ceratinly you are right to obseve in saying better not shop around but go by any particular school of thought.Also in jyotish the vital aspect is that not one single factor make or mar things.one needs to look into counter balancing factors and find the science to deliver a message.Be it freewill or presetined.So rahu as Atmakarak based on highest degrees even though consider mean values) has limited application and no harm/imbalance in accpeting a school of thought and tread further into various other aspects krishnan Sean Patrick Kelly <toosean wrote: Namaste The system that JHora uses in this calcuation is to subtract the degree of Rahu from 30 degrees, because Rahu traverses thought the constellations backwards. In other words, even though Rahu is at ~2 degrees in the sign, it has already traversed ~28 degrees through the sign. Therefor, according to this system it has the 2nd highest degree and is said to be Amatyakaraka. I have to say that as a fellow beginner I think it is better to stick to one system. Don't shop around for too long, otherwise you won't have time to really get a deep understanding of any one system. I agree with what Wendy has suggested to you. Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "olu_bey" <olusanya wrote: > > Hari Om, > > According to Jhora Rahu is my Amatyakaraka. This has me perplexed > because I thought the Amatyakaraka is the graha with the next highest > longitude after the Atmakaraka [shani], so why is the Amatyakaraka not > Shukra. After Rahu all of the Chara Karakas seem to follow according > to the degrees of Longitude. Am I missing something here? > My birth data is: > > Olusanya Bey > September 28, 1961 > Time: 8:20:00 am > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 77 W 25' 50", 34 N 45' 14" > Jacksonville, North Carolina, USA > Altitude: 15.00 meters > > > Planet Longitude Chara Karakatwa > Surya 11 Kanya 51' 24.81" Matrikaraka > Chandra 6 Vrish 00' 54.12" Putrakaraka > Mangala 4 Tula 28' 39.52" Gnyatikaraka > Budha 7 Tula 43' 05.13" Pitrikaraka > Guru 4 Makar 02' 14.56" Darakaraka > Shukra 12 Simh 38' 58.15" Bhratrikaraka > Shani 29 Dhanu 54' 59.50" Atmakaraka > Rahu 1 Simh 41' 41.76" Amatyakaraka > > bahu dhanyavAdAH. > > Namaste, > olusanya > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 PS: //People are free to use whatever dasa system they choose. The big mistake I see happening (all the time) is mixing the two together.// Meaning simply that it's inappropriate to use Rasi aspects or Chara karakas with Vimsottari dasa... BPHS is a composite of all the different dasa systems and the many other tools of prediction known to the ancient rishis. The Vimsottari dasa system itself is a very simple (stand alone) method of prediction that has (unfortunately) been complicated by the emerging internet Gurus who can't tell the difference between one system and another. This is the state of affairs today... Why do you suppose Parashara said that Vimsottari was recommended for the general population in this age of Kali Yuga? This age is characterised by heaviness - heaviness of mind, unclear thinking - so much so that the majority of people cannot fully comprehend the simple, stand alone system recommended by Parashara. Vimsottari is so pure, so uncomplicated :-) ______ Dear Sean and Olusanya, Perhaps I can clear the muddy waters a bit :-) Olusanya Wrote: //My question remains... if Parasara and Jaimini are, in fact, two different systems why does Parasara mention Chara Karakas before the Constant Karakatwas when discussing Karakas? Why would he explain another system before his own? Keep in mind... this wasn't a question for me until Wendy's response. I agree that as beginners we should focus our study. My focus is the BPHS and the teachings of Maharishi Parasara.// Sean Wrote: //This is a question for me too -- one of the members mentioned something along the lines that Jaimini and other systems have crept into BPHS over the years. I certainly do not have the details or verification that this is indeed true. But I do notice that in sections the writing style seems to be inconsistent -- of course, that could be the translation as well.// My Response: As we know, the dasa system is the principle method of prediction...this is how we determine when karma will fructify. There are several dasa systems but the one recommended by Parashara to be most effective for the general population in Kali Yuga is the Vimsottari dasa. In this system, starting from the nakshatra lord, each graha follows in a certain sequence for a certain length of time. We should be able to understand quite easily why, in this (graha specific) system, graha aspects and constant karakas are employed. Other major dasa systems employed are the Chara dasas which are recommended by Jaimini and also included in BPHS. These dasas are based on the Rasis (signs). One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that Rasi aspects and Chara karakas are used with this system. Rather than argueing endlessly which is Parashara and which is Jaimini it would be much simpler if we just remembered that Vimsottari dasa is recommended by Parashara and the Chara dasas are recommended by Jaimini. People are free to use whatever dasa system they choose. The big mistake I see happening (all the time) is mixing the two together. THEY ARE SEPERATE SYSTEMS EACH WITH THEIR OWN UNIQUE RULES!! Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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