Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Wendy and list members, Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on planetary war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. saturn and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also retrograde. What in your opinion is the effect? He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In addition Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. everyones' inputs are welcome. Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Neena, Baliji and All Can we take this chart and add it to the study chart for this week along with Das's? If yes, then can we as a group have it set up in the Astro Data base for comparison charts for this week's study? With a title in the second Column refering to it as a lst week's comparsion chart for Study - or something like that? Uttara :-) jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on planetary > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. saturn > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also retrograde. > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In addition > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Neena, Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time later today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM Grah Yudha Dear Wendy and list members, Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on planetary war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. saturn and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also retrograde. What in your opinion is the effect? He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In addition Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. everyones' inputs are welcome. Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Dear Uttara and All, There are now two tables in the Database. 1) Members Charts. 2) Study Charts. It would be good not to get too far ahead of ourselves with the study charts. Just one a week would be best at this stage...what do you all think? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:36 AM Re: Grah Yudha Dear Neena, Baliji and All Can we take this chart and add it to the study chart for this week along with Das's? If yes, then can we as a group have it set up in the Astro Data base for comparison charts for this week's study? With a title in the second Column refering to it as a lst week's comparsion chart for Study - or something like that? Uttara :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Wendy, Thanks for adding the second table! In response to your question below, I actually agree with you - but - on reflection yesterday and today, I was thinking that there are so many interesting charts that can be used for comparison - and - a few very good ones, members have brought up in regard to John Nash's mental Illness, that I thought to keep the overwhelming amount of information to some organization - that, having any comparison charts talked about should be uploaded to the data base for the chart study of the week and could be identified somehow in its listing in the Astro data base. It doesn't seem to be easier to talk about another chart if one doesn't have the information at hand or can find it in the Astro data base without identifying somehow. To carry this thought further - I have access to find birth data on most, but I am sure that there are members that do not have this access. So, it is easier to have the data listed and then identified for purpose. Makes it easier somehow, for everybody. I can extend that and say that if anyone has the capability, it would be nice to see the upload of the Natal and Navamsha chart in picture format. I think this is a personal preference or one where you can allow or not. :-) Anyway, I like the idea that other members are bringing up other charts to compare. BUT, in reality as I was pondering this afternoon, I was actually going to write to the group about taking those charts and extending them into an extended week/s of study. Right now I have on my study board for this week's group study, John Nash's chart and Das Goravani's Chart. On the side I have John Lennon's chart and Hwang Woo-Suk. Then a topic about Grah Yudha. Plus Jyotish information steming from this week's chart. Not to mention the members charts that have been added - for at least a curusory look before anyone of them become a study chart for a particular reason/s or grouping for similarities. As an example, I have already noticed most members charts listed, have loss of a sibling at a young age and/or have been adopted or rejected. Then there are twins. Some have lost parents or have been separated from them. These similarities in themselves are quite interesting to stduy So That's alot of charts and information to comprehend. There is so much to cover in one chart that even having two can be daunting in one week. If anything, I would like to see maybe Das's chart for week Two study to continue the study on Mental Illness. Then maybe after that, taking John Lennon's chart to talk about the mental genius of talent and ability in comparison to John Nash and Das Goravanni from the previous weeks. Or something like that. In otherwords a week's theme then its off shoots for extending weeks. Of course, each chart that is presented can be studied for a variety of issues but since we are on the topic of mental illness as the major topic, I would like to see charts presented, stay on the main topic. My thoughts also were - since Charts studied will be listed, they can be brought up again at another time to study different parts or levels of that chart. However, I am intrigued with the excellant charts put forth for discussion by other members that I would like to see them listed in the Astro database for future study. I'm not so sure you want to start another table but it is just a thought!! Ok, I am rambling. So, I will end. Hope my input helps. Thoughts anyone? Uttara :-) p.s. Just having John Nash's chart up this week has brought up many topics of Jyotish information to discuss for general info along with John Nash's strenghts and weaknesness to learn from in chart recognitiion and analysis- It has been quite enjoyable!! jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara and All, > > There are now two tables in the Database. > 1) Members Charts. > 2) Study Charts. > > It would be good not to get too far ahead of ourselves with the study > charts. Just one a week would be best at this stage...what do you all > think? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:36 AM > Re: Grah Yudha > > > Dear Neena, Baliji and All > Can we take this chart and add it to the study chart for this week > along with Das's? If yes, then can we as a group have it set up in > the Astro Data base for comparison charts for this week's study? > With a title in the second Column refering to it as a lst week's > comparsion chart for Study - or something like that? > > Uttara :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 - Thats a great idea !! Lets go ahead with it. Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara and All, > > There are now two tables in the Database. > 1) Members Charts. > 2) Study Charts. > > It would be good not to get too far ahead of ourselves with the study > charts. Just one a week would be best at this stage...what do you all > think? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:36 AM > Re: Grah Yudha > > > Dear Neena, Baliji and All > Can we take this chart and add it to the study chart for this week > along with Das's? If yes, then can we as a group have it set up in > the Astro Data base for comparison charts for this week's study? > With a title in the second Column refering to it as a lst week's > comparsion chart for Study - or something like that? > > Uttara :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 - Dear Wendy, just had a look at the new table. Its a great idea. Any pointers or cues regarding comparable charts? Should we study it from the point of view of mental illness? Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara and All, > > There are now two tables in the Database. > 1) Members Charts. > 2) Study Charts. > > It would be good not to get too far ahead of ourselves with the study > charts. Just one a week would be best at this stage...what do you all > think? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:36 AM > Re: Grah Yudha > > > Dear Neena, Baliji and All > Can we take this chart and add it to the study chart for this week > along with Das's? If yes, then can we as a group have it set up in > the Astro Data base for comparison charts for this week's study? > With a title in the second Column refering to it as a lst week's > comparsion chart for Study - or something like that? > > Uttara :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Dear Neena, ///Any pointers or cues regarding comparable charts? Should we study it from the point of view of mental illness?/// Mental illness/genius was the main feature in both charts but any aspect of the chart(s) can be discussed if the interest is there :-) I've put the (group study charts) table up only as a guideline. Whatever is best for everyone is okay with me...you can decide for yourselves what works best. Sorry I didn't get time today to have a look at John Lennon's chart. Perhaps that can be put in the Database for next week. I must away for now and leave you all to it until Monday. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time later > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a planetary war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in BPHS ch 79 s 9: "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only one, who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is considered defeated in the planetary war." So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the two, so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good thing for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in a war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so much in his life. What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For Parashara in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, but in the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more southerly planet. So which one would win then? Barney John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > Grah Yudha > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on planetary > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. saturn > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also retrograde. > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In addition > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 - Barney, Thats a very interesting point that you have brought up. And Perhaps we will have to wait for Wendy's opinion on this, but as far as I know the location being in the Southern or Northern hemisphere will affect the lagna and not the degrees of the planets concerned. other list members would like to add or comment please? Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time later > > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... > > I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a planetary > war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in > BPHS ch 79 s 9: > > "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are > together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, > whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only one, > who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is > considered defeated in the planetary war." > > So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the two, > so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good thing > for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in a > war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so > much in his life. > > What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility > that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For Parashara > in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, but in > the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more > southerly planet. So which one would win then? > > Barney > > John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > > > ______________________________ > > > > - > > "neenako" <neenako@> > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > > Grah Yudha > > > > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on planetary > > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. saturn > > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also retrograde. > > > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In addition > > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > > > Neena > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > - > Barney, > Thats a very interesting point that you have brought up. > > And Perhaps we will have to wait for Wendy's opinion on this, > > but as far as I know the location being in the Southern or Northern > > hemisphere will affect the lagna and not the degrees of the planets > concerned. > > other list members would like to add or comment please? > > Neena > Hi Neena, You're quite right. At any given time we all see the planets in the same place in the zodiac, and we all see a different lagna, depending on the place. The thing I was wondering about is whether the winner and loser in a planetary war are dependant on which hemisphere you're in. Parashara says (BPHS ch 79 s9) that the most northerly of two planets is the winner (unless the other one is Venus, who always wins). I'm just wondering about someone born in the southern hemisphere with a planetary war in their chart. Is the winner still the more northerly, or is it the more southerly? Best Wishes, Barney > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time > later > > > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > > > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... > > > > I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a > planetary > > war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in > > BPHS ch 79 s 9: > > > > "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are > > together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, > > whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only > one, > > who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is > > considered defeated in the planetary war." > > > > So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the > two, > > so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good > thing > > for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in > a > > war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so > > much in his life. > > > > What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility > > that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For > Parashara > > in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, > but in > > the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more > > southerly planet. So which one would win then? > > > > Barney > > > > John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > - > > > "neenako" <neenako@> > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > > > Grah Yudha > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > > > > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on > planetary > > > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > > > > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > > > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. > saturn > > > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also > retrograde. > > > > > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > > > > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > > > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In > addition > > > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > > > > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > > > > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Dear Barney, BPHS Chap 79 s. 9 is in reference to Yogas leading to Ascetism and therefore may not be relevant to the matter under discussion. David Frawley in his book, "Astrology of the Seers" at page 150 refers to planetary war and states, "When two planets are in conjunction of one degree or less, they are said to be in a planetary war. There is a clashing of the forces of their respective rays. The planet with the lower degree of longitude becomes the winner of this planetary war." He goes on to say that these rules do not apply to the luminaries. David barney3728080 <barney3728080 wrote: jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > - > Barney, > Thats a very interesting point that you have brought up. > > And Perhaps we will have to wait for Wendy's opinion on this, > > but as far as I know the location being in the Southern or Northern > > hemisphere will affect the lagna and not the degrees of the planets > concerned. > > other list members would like to add or comment please? > > Neena > Hi Neena, You're quite right. At any given time we all see the planets in the same place in the zodiac, and we all see a different lagna, depending on the place. The thing I was wondering about is whether the winner and loser in a planetary war are dependant on which hemisphere you're in. Parashara says (BPHS ch 79 s9) that the most northerly of two planets is the winner (unless the other one is Venus, who always wins). I'm just wondering about someone born in the southern hemisphere with a planetary war in their chart. Is the winner still the more northerly, or is it the more southerly? Best Wishes, Barney > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time > later > > > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > > > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... > > > > I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a > planetary > > war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in > > BPHS ch 79 s 9: > > > > "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are > > together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, > > whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only > one, > > who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is > > considered defeated in the planetary war." > > > > So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the > two, > > so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good > thing > > for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in > a > > war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so > > much in his life. > > > > What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility > > that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For > Parashara > > in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, > but in > > the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more > > southerly planet. So which one would win then? > > > > Barney > > > > John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > - > > > "neenako" <neenako@> > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > > > Grah Yudha > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > > > > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on > planetary > > > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > > > > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > > > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. > saturn > > > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also > retrograde. > > > > > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > > > > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > > > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In > addition > > > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > > > > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > > > > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 Namaste Regardless of the hemisphere one is in, the constellations & planets are always seen to rise and set across the sky from East to West (the closer one gets to the poles the more this would vary: I imagine during some "days", 24 hour spans, on the North or South pole some planets/constellations would never be seen to rise and some would never be seen to set ;^). Anyway, the "North" & "South" that we speak of in astrology regarding the positions of planets does not necessarily correspond at all to the "North" & "South" compass directions. This is why all planets are given a longitudinal position when making the chart. Degrees longitude measure along the East/West axis and are therefor applicable to the positions of planets as they move across the sky from East to West. The degrees latitude measure along the North/South axis and, as far as I know, aren't employed at all in astrology? It would be hard to represent the latitudinal positions of a planet on the types of birth charts that are currently used... >From my understanding, the middle of the 10th house is considered North and this is completely independent of the place of birth. In terms of the chart this "North" position of a planet roughly corresponds to the apex of the sky (i.e. the midpoint between the planet's rising and setting) which isn't dependant on the hemisphere, and doesn't necessarily correspond to the "North" compass direction. Therefor, the application of Parasara's rule described below is not dependant on which hemisphere the native was born. I hope someone is able to correct me if I am way off here Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > - > > Barney, > > Thats a very interesting point that you have brought up. > > > > And Perhaps we will have to wait for Wendy's opinion on this, > > > > but as far as I know the location being in the Southern or Northern > > > > hemisphere will affect the lagna and not the degrees of the planets > > concerned. > > > > other list members would like to add or comment please? > > > > Neena > > > > Hi Neena, > > You're quite right. At any given time we all see the planets in the > same place in the zodiac, and we all see a different lagna, depending > on the place. > > The thing I was wondering about is whether the winner and loser in a > planetary war are dependant on which hemisphere you're in. Parashara > says (BPHS ch 79 s9) that the most northerly of two planets is the > winner (unless the other one is Venus, who always wins). I'm just > wondering about someone born in the southern hemisphere with a > planetary war in their chart. Is the winner still the more northerly, > or is it the more southerly? > > Best Wishes, > Barney > > > > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > > > > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time > > later > > > > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > > > > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... > > > > > > I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a > > planetary > > > war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in > > > BPHS ch 79 s 9: > > > > > > "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are > > > together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, > > > whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only > > one, > > > who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is > > > considered defeated in the planetary war." > > > > > > So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the > > two, > > > so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good > > thing > > > for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in > > a > > > war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so > > > much in his life. > > > > > > What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility > > > that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For > > Parashara > > > in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, > > but in > > > the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more > > > southerly planet. So which one would win then? > > > > > > Barney > > > > > > John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > - > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> > > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > > > > Grah Yudha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > > > > > > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on > > planetary > > > > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > > > > > > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > > > > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. > > saturn > > > > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also > > retrograde. > > > > > > > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > > > > > > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > > > > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In > > addition > > > > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > > > > > > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > > > > > > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 jyotish-vidya, David Andrews <andrews635 wrote: > > Dear Barney, > BPHS Chap 79 s. 9 is in reference to Yogas leading to Ascetism and therefore may not be relevant to the matter under discussion. > David Frawley in his book, "Astrology of the Seers" at page 150 refers to planetary war and states, "When two planets are in conjunction of one degree or less, they are said to be in a planetary war. There is a clashing of the forces of their respective rays. The planet with the lower degree of longitude becomes the winner of this planetary war." He goes on to say that these rules do not apply to the luminaries. > > David Hi David, Yes, I agree, that chapter is a strange place to state that rule. However, BPHS refers to the winner of a planetary war several times, but that seems to be the only rule it gives to determine which planet is the winner. I have heard the "lower longitude" rule you stated from David Frawley, but I don't know where it originates. I first got the "higher latitude" rule from Hart Defouw and Robert Svoboda (Light On Life p65). We all have our favourite teachers and authors :-) In the case of John Lennon, the "lower longitude" rule makes Saturn the winner, and the "higher latitude" rule makes Jupiter the winner, which seems more likely to me. This is only one case, but it might be interesting to look at planetery wars in a few charts and see which rule seems to fit best? A fun experiment, as they say. Regards, Barney > > > barney3728080 <barney3728080 wrote: > jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > - > > Barney, > > Thats a very interesting point that you have brought up. > > > > And Perhaps we will have to wait for Wendy's opinion on this, > > > > but as far as I know the location being in the Southern or Northern > > > > hemisphere will affect the lagna and not the degrees of the planets > > concerned. > > > > other list members would like to add or comment please? > > > > Neena > > > > Hi Neena, > > You're quite right. At any given time we all see the planets in the > same place in the zodiac, and we all see a different lagna, depending > on the place. > > The thing I was wondering about is whether the winner and loser in a > planetary war are dependant on which hemisphere you're in. Parashara > says (BPHS ch 79 s9) that the most northerly of two planets is the > winner (unless the other one is Venus, who always wins). I'm just > wondering about someone born in the southern hemisphere with a > planetary war in their chart. Is the winner still the more northerly, > or is it the more southerly? > > Best Wishes, > Barney > > > > > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neena, > > > > > > > > Thank you! This is an interesting chart...I hope to find time > > later > > > > today to take a look. I agree the Graha Yudha is something worth > > > > discussing. Hope also to have some input from other members. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > Well, just to get the graha yudha discussion started... > > > > > > I know there are a few ways of determining the winner of a > > planetary > > > war, but so far as I know the only one supported by Parashara is in > > > BPHS ch 79 s 9: > > > > > > "There is planetary war, if Mangal, Budh, Guru, Shukra and Sani are > > > together (within one degree of each other), Shukr is the conquerer, > > > whether he is in North, or South, but amongst the other four only > > one, > > > who is in the North, is the conquerer and that in the South is > > > considered defeated in the planetary war." > > > > > > So in Lennon's chart, Jupiter has the higher declination of the > > two, > > > so is more northerly, and so he is the winner. This was a good > > thing > > > for Lennon, because if his lagnesh (Jupiter) had been the loser in > > a > > > war with a debilitated Saturn he probably wouldn't have achieved so > > > much in his life. > > > > > > What interests me about the planetary war thing is the possibility > > > that it could be different in the southern hemisphere. For > > Parashara > > > in India, the more northerly planet would be higher in the sky, > > but in > > > the southern hemisphere the higher in the sky would be the more > > > southerly planet. So which one would win then? > > > > > > Barney > > > > > > John Lennon: 9th October 1940, 18:30, DST 1, Liverpool, England > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > - > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> > > > > <jyotish-vidya> > > > > Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:17 PM > > > > Grah Yudha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Wendy and list members, > > > > > > > > Sometime recently I had seen a discussion on this list, on > > planetary > > > > war .This phenomenon has intrigued me too often. > > > > > > > > While looking up astrodatabank .com I came across John Lennon's > > > > horoscope. If you get some spare time do have a look at it. > > saturn > > > > and Jupiter are within a degree of each other and also > > retrograde. > > > > > > > > What in your opinion is the effect? > > > > > > > > He was killed in the dasa of Jupiter and Mercury sub. Jupiter is > > > > lord of 22nd drekkan and Mercury lord of 64th navamsa. In > > addition > > > > Jupiter in 2nd house and Mercury in 8th house. > > > > > > > > I dont know which planets made him such a great musician. > > > > > > > > everyones' inputs are welcome. > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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