Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 To All Learned Members, Week 3 Group Study Charts are up and available for your perusal. I believe you will find them an interesting study and comparison in the Artistic/Mental Illness study of Schizophrenia All have birth times. One is somewhat questionable but his birth time is listed as the one most use. Enjoy! Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear Uttara, You've worked so hard! I'm a little overwhelmed, at this stage, with all the charts to go through :-) I was thinking of adding a few more comments on Das's chart, but can't seem to find your earlier post? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:28 PM Week 3 Group Study Charts To All Learned Members, Week 3 Group Study Charts are up and available for your perusal. I believe you will find them an interesting study and comparison in the Artistic/Mental Illness study of Schizophrenia All have birth times. One is somewhat questionable but his birth time is listed as the one most use. Enjoy! Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Hi Wendy, Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the subject theme, From there I would like to classified in the links and files sections the different subjects that come up with each chart along with books and articles and other references that people can go to on their own, for further research. If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount of charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and articles written on the matter along with biographies and autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental illness from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed to succumb to much a mental hell However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia Woolf and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its different levels. With these three charts with their Schizoaffective Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great introduction into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince that he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs and lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into this category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional illnessness that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly conditioning and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own members. Do you have any other suggestions? I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the moderators. As Always, Uttara p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find interesting charts. I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then study the champions of the Olympics??. Maybe Twins Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers Health in members charts Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn of members charts Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara, You've worked so hard! I'm a little overwhelmed, at this stage, with all the charts to go through :-) I was thinking of adding a few more comments on Das's chart, but can't seem to find your earlier post? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:28 PM Week 3 Group Study Charts To All Learned Members, Week 3 Group Study Charts are up and available for your perusal. I believe you will find them an interesting study and comparison in the Artistic/Mental Illness study of Schizophrenia All have birth times. One is somewhat questionable but his birth time is listed as the one most use. Enjoy! Uttara Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear Uttara, You Wrote: //If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach.// I have absolutely no idea if it was a personal mail or one sent to the group. But not to worry, the gist of it was the effect of drugs and alcohol for someone suffering emotional/mental afflictions. I got the impression that you were attributing the mental suffering solely to drug abuse. Whereas, in this case, although one is obviously worsened by the other, the two afflictions are clear in the horoscope. Human nature is such that mental illness is treated with far more compassion than drug addiction. But what of the poor soul that suffers both? Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are evident in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house of enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface if the indications weren't there in his horoscope. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Hi Wendy, Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the subject theme, From there I would like to classified in the links and files sections the different subjects that come up with each chart along with books and articles and other references that people can go to on their own, for further research. If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount of charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and articles written on the matter along with biographies and autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental illness from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed to succumb to much a mental hell However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia Woolf and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its different levels. With these three charts with their Schizoaffective Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great introduction into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince that he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs and lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into this category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional illnessness that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly conditioning and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own members. Do you have any other suggestions? I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the moderators. As Always, Uttara p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find interesting charts. I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then study the champions of the Olympics??. Maybe Twins Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers Health in members charts Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn of members charts Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara, You've worked so hard! I'm a little overwhelmed, at this stage, with all the charts to go through :-) I was thinking of adding a few more comments on Das's chart, but can't seem to find your earlier post? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear Uttara, You Wrote: //However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference.// I think it's best if it's more spontaneous, don't you agree? It's good that we have all these charts in the Database and I'm appreciative of all your hard work. However, as we all know, there are far more silent lurkers than there are participants, who, I'm sure, will find the Database invaluable in their studies. One thing I would like to say is that it would be better to include only charts that have a confirmed T.O.B. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Hi Wendy, Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the subject theme, From there I would like to classified in the links and files sections the different subjects that come up with each chart along with books and articles and other references that people can go to on their own, for further research. If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount of charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and articles written on the matter along with biographies and autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental illness from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed to succumb to much a mental hell However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia Woolf and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its different levels. With these three charts with their Schizoaffective Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great introduction into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince that he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs and lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into this category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional illnessness that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly conditioning and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own members. Do you have any other suggestions? I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the moderators. As Always, Uttara p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find interesting charts. I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then study the champions of the Olympics??. Maybe Twins Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers Health in members charts Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn of members charts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are right. There are 'silent lurkers' and I am one of them. I tried to access the data base and I could not. Perhaps you could guide me as to how I get to the data base. Thank you. David P.S. I do read almost all your messages and of the regular contributors. There is a lot that we could learn from you. Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear David, You can access the Database files from the group website. You'll find the link on the left side of the page. Actually this link (should) take you straight there, hopefully: jyotish-vidya/database Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "David Andrews" <andrews635 <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 27, 2006 1:22 PM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are right. There are 'silent lurkers' and I am one of them. I tried to access the data base and I could not. Perhaps you could guide me as to how I get to the data base. Thank you. David P.S. I do read almost all your messages and of the regular contributors. There is a lot that we could learn from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 PS: You still have to sign in of course. But once you do the Database files will open straight away :-) _____________________________ Dear David, You can access the Database files from the group website. You'll find the link on the left side of the page. Actually this link (should) take you straight there, hopefully: jyotish-vidya/database Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "David Andrews" <andrews635 <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 27, 2006 1:22 PM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Dear Mrs. Wendy, You are right. There are 'silent lurkers' and I am one of them. I tried to access the data base and I could not. Perhaps you could guide me as to how I get to the data base. Thank you. David P.S. I do read almost all your messages and of the regular contributors. There is a lot that we could learn from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Namaste Wendy, In regard to Das. You wrote: //I got impression that you were attributing the mental suffering solely to drug abuse.// No Wendy, that is not what I referring too. I think that Das is very much emotionally/mentally distressed. I have had personal interaction with him in the pass with this continuing issue. So my empathy is deep and sound. What I was saying is that I believe he is presenting a more Major Depression with all it's up and downs of coping and that his sign of distress points more this way that true Bipolar. As one knows, there are several levels in the spectrum of Bipolar that one can be diagnosed, they are the following: Bipolar 1 Disorder, Schizo-affective Bipolar Disorder, Bipolar 11 Disorder, Bipolar Disorder NOS, Cyclothymia, Rapid-Cycling Bipolar Disorder, mixed or Dysphoric Mania, Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Covert Cycling and Depressing Disorders. Bipolar is very difficult to accurately diagnosed and those that seek early treatment and meds. do better than others left untreated or undiagnosed, or those who do not follow through on their prescribed plan to reach some peace and sanity. Since Das has not been under recent and continuous medical care it is difficult to really know what he is suffering from. But it does show in his chart as you say, that he is afflicted mentally and emotionally along with drug use. All I was saying about his drug use is that he is using them as a short term treatment for a very real long term problem that ails him. It's not to punish him or dismiss him in anyway. It is to acknowledge that he is in a very difficult state and not currently under doctor's care or any consistent prescribe meds. regiment. This is not unusual with patients who resist accepting what is truly making them unhappy and not wanting to take medication everyday, especially, when they think on a good day that they have the will power to overcome whatever ails them. Illicit Drugs do exasperate the situation to often times suicide or over dose deaths. The same can be said of someone suffering from Major Depression. At their lowest, one is often found in a vegetative state. At their highest, they often find they can function rather well, but it takes a lot out of them and they need a lot of time to be alone or shut out the noise and activity of others, until they can regroup themselves. Using illicit drugs brings out the worse in their despair of loneliness and they tend to focus on one issue that they feel if they can only take care of or bring into their lives, all their depression would miraculously go away. Das's main complaint when he is in the troughs of debilitating depression is that he is not loved for who he is. And, if only he had that one pure love he would be all better. Too, when he is functioning and trying to get over all the neg. of his lowest rung of depression, his anti social shyness, finds him disappointed that others do not measure to his expectations. Drugs are an escape from reality or what hurts us or what we are trying to cope with. Illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, acid and others, bring the nightmares and sweats, vomiting and shivering; the inability to use logical judgment or physically care for self. The withdrawal of these drugs can bring on all sorts of psychosis, hallucinations, deliriums and derangement's. The drugs then exasperate the problem. And can quite by themselves if not curtailed bring on their own mental illness with continue use. I have the highest respect for Das, He is a brilliant developer of software. His Jyotish and Vedas knowledge he knows well and is a part of his soul. However, he is at a point in his life where he has turned his back from this knowledge accept in programming his software. BTW, he does have a new Beta version that was released in Dec. 2005 for $100.00, but I hear he is not answering his emails or phone. One must look at his family background to get a better understanding of how as a child his brain chemistry was altered by the dysfunction in his home environment. Statistics today do point to the fact that children's brain chemistry while in the formative years can be altered because of the environment they are exposed too. This would include, experiencing continuous traumas, living with abusive (physically or threatening) alcoholic or non alcoholic parents, continual emotional abuse, rape, neglect (physical or emotional), fear for ones own safety (War or homelessness), home conditioning and learned behaviors to keep the family functional (although dysfunctional) for the child's safety in his mind. There is nothing more frightening to a child than the fear that he can be rejected by one or both of his parents - who are in essence his umbilical cord to reality, acceptance and survival. Sensitive children like Das are often ridiculed because they are different. They are not like the other boys etc. It is interesting to note that at the very idealistic age and independence of 19yrs old Das found himself ensconced in the Hari Krishna movement here in the USA.. He like others at this age are often seeking love and acceptance and are eager to gain favor from those who are so readily available to take them under their wing and propel them along. Like a cult or brainwashing, if one must stretch the idealism. These young kids of 18/19yrs old are ripe for the taking. I am glad that for the most part the USA Hari Krishna movement has been disbanded from this country as a business where soliciting others as panderers for money was their sole activity outside their ashram for their Guru. Too, it must be said, That the peak years for Schizophrenia to start to show itself is between 19 and 21 yrs. Das's ashram years were filled with love and teaching and undivided attention along with physical hardship to gain favor and be loved. It was his destiny to experience this and I believe he learned well from the experience. But, like so many other American born monks who left their ashrams whether here in the States or in India, to begin new lives on their own as now functioning Adults, some have made the transition nicely while others like Das have not. There is not blame from me that Das is emotional or mentally depressed because of drug use. Rather, I am concerned that the drugs are making his depression worse. As far as Bipolar, I am more inclined to say (not being a doctor or one who has treated him in the past) that from his recent emails, that sound the same two, three four years ago etc, that the diagnosis of bipolar could very well be if not Major Depression then Schizo-affective Bipolar. Because of the psychosis and lack of reality at times and aloneness he experiences with his schizo-manic and major depressive state. I would not rule out a combined problem of Asperger Syndrome as a contributing factor either, which is a form of autism. "Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder affecting several areas of ones development. In contrast to Autism, people with AS are likely to desire social acceptance, but may be unable to mediate social interactions. Their conversation may be one sided, overly focused on a narrow topic of interest..." from the Asperger's Association of New Englandl But, then again, I am not the psychiatric doctor or the one following is every day behavior or know for sure what if any medications he is on. I do know his astrology chart accurately points to mental/emotional illness and drug use. //Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are evident in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house of enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface if the indications weren't there in his horoscope.// Wendy, I have no argument that Das is truly suffering. His horoscope supports his torment. I would also look at his 10th and 11th house both ruled by Saturn and in his 11th house KE (ruler Purva Bhadrapada/ JU and MO (Shatabhisha/RA) sit. Saturn's (Purva Ashadha/Ve placement in Sag. with Jupiter (Mula/KE) in own house is a contributing factor of positive and negative results. As Always Uttara :-) Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara, You Wrote: //If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach.// I have absolutely no idea if it was a personal mail or one sent to the group. But not to worry, the gist of it was the effect of drugs and alcohol for someone suffering emotional/mental afflictions. I got the impression that you were attributing the mental suffering solely to drug abuse. Whereas, in this case, although one is obviously worsened by the other, the two afflictions are clear in the horoscope. Human nature is such that mental illness is treated with far more compassion than drug addiction. But what of the poor soul that suffers both? Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are evident in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house of enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface if the indications weren't there in his horoscope. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Hi Wendy, Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the subject theme, From there I would like to classified in the links and files sections the different subjects that come up with each chart along with books and articles and other references that people can go to on their own, for further research. If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount of charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and articles written on the matter along with biographies and autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental illness from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed to succumb to much a mental hell However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia Woolf and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its different levels. With these three charts with their Schizoaffective Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great introduction into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince that he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs and lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into this category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional illnessness that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly conditioning and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own members. Do you have any other suggestions? I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the moderators. As Always, Uttara p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find interesting charts. I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then study the champions of the Olympics??. Maybe Twins Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers Health in members charts Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn of members charts Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara, You've worked so hard! I'm a little overwhelmed, at this stage, with all the charts to go through :-) I was thinking of adding a few more comments on Das's chart, but can't seem to find your earlier post? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Dear Uttara, Indeed, I'm in agreement with you. From the days when GJlist was first formed, his struggle against depression and drug abuse has been well-known. It is a shame and his suffering is very real as no one will deny. Something quite unique about Das is his confusion about his identity. This could be attributed perhaps to the fact that both lagna lord and 10th lord are in 12th therefrom. Speaking of his new software; I'm hanging on, perhaps vainly, for when he has it up and running as a fully functional programme, hoping that he will have all the options available i.e. Sunrise options and so forth. I did contact PL again but a response has not been so forthcoming this time - perhaps they're not pleased that I've insisted there's an error? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:56 AM Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Namaste Wendy, In regard to Das. You wrote: //I got impression that you were attributing the mental suffering solely to drug abuse.// No Wendy, that is not what I referring too. I think that Das is very much emotionally/mentally distressed. I have had personal interaction with him in the pass with this continuing issue. So my empathy is deep and sound. What I was saying is that I believe he is presenting a more Major Depression with all it's up and downs of coping and that his sign of distress points more this way that true Bipolar. As one knows, there are several levels in the spectrum of Bipolar that one can be diagnosed, they are the following: Bipolar 1 Disorder, Schizo-affective Bipolar Disorder, Bipolar 11 Disorder, Bipolar Disorder NOS, Cyclothymia, Rapid-Cycling Bipolar Disorder, mixed or Dysphoric Mania, Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Covert Cycling and Depressing Disorders. Bipolar is very difficult to accurately diagnosed and those that seek early treatment and meds. do better than others left untreated or undiagnosed, or those who do not follow through on their prescribed plan to reach some peace and sanity. Since Das has not been under recent and continuous medical care it is difficult to really know what he is suffering from. But it does show in his chart as you say, that he is afflicted mentally and emotionally along with drug use. All I was saying about his drug use is that he is using them as a short term treatment for a very real long term problem that ails him. It's not to punish him or dismiss him in anyway. It is to acknowledge that he is in a very difficult state and not currently under doctor's care or any consistent prescribe meds. regiment. This is not unusual with patients who resist accepting what is truly making them unhappy and not wanting to take medication everyday, especially, when they think on a good day that they have the will power to overcome whatever ails them. Illicit Drugs do exasperate the situation to often times suicide or over dose deaths. The same can be said of someone suffering from Major Depression. At their lowest, one is often found in a vegetative state. At their highest, they often find they can function rather well, but it takes a lot out of them and they need a lot of time to be alone or shut out the noise and activity of others, until they can regroup themselves. Using illicit drugs brings out the worse in their despair of loneliness and they tend to focus on one issue that they feel if they can only take care of or bring into their lives, all their depression would miraculously go away. Das's main complaint when he is in the troughs of debilitating depression is that he is not loved for who he is. And, if only he had that one pure love he would be all better. Too, when he is functioning and trying to get over all the neg. of his lowest rung of depression, his anti social shyness, finds him disappointed that others do not measure to his expectations. Drugs are an escape from reality or what hurts us or what we are trying to cope with. Illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, acid and others, bring the nightmares and sweats, vomiting and shivering; the inability to use logical judgment or physically care for self. The withdrawal of these drugs can bring on all sorts of psychosis, hallucinations, deliriums and derangement's. The drugs then exasperate the problem. And can quite by themselves if not curtailed bring on their own mental illness with continue use. I have the highest respect for Das, He is a brilliant developer of software. His Jyotish and Vedas knowledge he knows well and is a part of his soul. However, he is at a point in his life where he has turned his back from this knowledge accept in programming his software. BTW, he does have a new Beta version that was released in Dec. 2005 for $100.00, but I hear he is not answering his emails or phone. One must look at his family background to get a better understanding of how as a child his brain chemistry was altered by the dysfunction in his home environment. Statistics today do point to the fact that children's brain chemistry while in the formative years can be altered because of the environment they are exposed too. This would include, experiencing continuous traumas, living with abusive (physically or threatening) alcoholic or non alcoholic parents, continual emotional abuse, rape, neglect (physical or emotional), fear for ones own safety (War or homelessness), home conditioning and learned behaviors to keep the family functional (although dysfunctional) for the child's safety in his mind. There is nothing more frightening to a child than the fear that he can be rejected by one or both of his parents - who are in essence his umbilical cord to reality, acceptance and survival. Sensitive children like Das are often ridiculed because they are different. They are not like the other boys etc. It is interesting to note that at the very idealistic age and independence of 19yrs old Das found himself ensconced in the Hari Krishna movement here in the USA.. He like others at this age are often seeking love and acceptance and are eager to gain favor from those who are so readily available to take them under their wing and propel them along. Like a cult or brainwashing, if one must stretch the idealism. These young kids of 18/19yrs old are ripe for the taking. I am glad that for the most part the USA Hari Krishna movement has been disbanded from this country as a business where soliciting others as panderers for money was their sole activity outside their ashram for their Guru. Too, it must be said, That the peak years for Schizophrenia to start to show itself is between 19 and 21 yrs. Das's ashram years were filled with love and teaching and undivided attention along with physical hardship to gain favor and be loved. It was his destiny to experience this and I believe he learned well from the experience. But, like so many other American born monks who left their ashrams whether here in the States or in India, to begin new lives on their own as now functioning Adults, some have made the transition nicely while others like Das have not. There is not blame from me that Das is emotional or mentally depressed because of drug use. Rather, I am concerned that the drugs are making his depression worse. As far as Bipolar, I am more inclined to say (not being a doctor or one who has treated him in the past) that from his recent emails, that sound the same two, three four years ago etc, that the diagnosis of bipolar could very well be if not Major Depression then Schizo-affective Bipolar. Because of the psychosis and lack of reality at times and aloneness he experiences with his schizo-manic and major depressive state. I would not rule out a combined problem of Asperger Syndrome as a contributing factor either, which is a form of autism. "Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder affecting several areas of ones development. In contrast to Autism, people with AS are likely to desire social acceptance, but may be unable to mediate social interactions. Their conversation may be one sided, overly focused on a narrow topic of interest..." from the Asperger's Association of New Englandl But, then again, I am not the psychiatric doctor or the one following is every day behavior or know for sure what if any medications he is on. I do know his astrology chart accurately points to mental/emotional illness and drug use. //Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are evident in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house of enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface if the indications weren't there in his horoscope.// Wendy, I have no argument that Das is truly suffering. His horoscope supports his torment. I would also look at his 10th and 11th house both ruled by Saturn and in his 11th house KE (ruler Purva Bhadrapada/ JU and MO (Shatabhisha/RA) sit. Saturn's (Purva Ashadha/Ve placement in Sag. with Jupiter (Mula/KE) in own house is a contributing factor of positive and negative results. As Always Uttara :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hi Wendy, I am afraid there is more to Das's personality woes other that what I have mentioned and we have talked about. But, because I am not a psychiatrist, I hate to get ahead of myself in any more arm chair psychology. However, I am uplaoding in the Database, articles on Psychosis, Dissociative Identity Disorder (split personality), Emotional dysregulation, along with articles on Bi-polar and schizophrenia for all members to study and reflect on in regard to Das's chart being the subject of Group Study. Uttara jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > Indeed, I'm in agreement with you. From the days when GJlist was > first formed, his struggle against depression and drug abuse has been > well-known. It is a shame and his suffering is very real as no one > will deny. > > Something quite unique about Das is his confusion about his identity. > This could be attributed perhaps to the fact that both lagna lord and > 10th lord are in 12th therefrom. > > Speaking of his new software; I'm hanging on, perhaps vainly, for > when he has it up and running as a fully functional programme, hoping > that he will have all the options available i.e. Sunrise options and > so forth. I did contact PL again but a response has not been so > forthcoming this time - perhaps they're not pleased that I've > insisted there's an error? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:56 AM > Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts > > > Namaste Wendy, > > In regard to Das. You wrote: > > //I got impression that you were attributing the mental suffering > solely to drug abuse.// > > > No Wendy, that is not what I referring too. I think that Das is > very much emotionally/mentally distressed. I have had personal > interaction with him in the pass with this continuing issue. So my > empathy is deep and sound. What I was saying is that I believe he > is presenting a more Major Depression with all it's up and downs of > coping and that his sign of distress points more this way that true > Bipolar. > > As one knows, there are several levels in the spectrum of Bipolar > that one can be diagnosed, they are the following: Bipolar 1 > Disorder, Schizo-affective Bipolar Disorder, Bipolar 11 Disorder, > Bipolar Disorder NOS, Cyclothymia, Rapid-Cycling Bipolar Disorder, > mixed or Dysphoric Mania, Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Covert Cycling > and Depressing Disorders. > > Bipolar is very difficult to accurately diagnosed and those that > seek early treatment and meds. do better than others left untreated > or undiagnosed, or those who do not follow through on their > prescribed plan to reach some peace and sanity. > > Since Das has not been under recent and continuous medical care it > is difficult to really know what he is suffering from. But it does > show in his chart as you say, that he is afflicted mentally and > emotionally along with drug use. > > All I was saying about his drug use is that he is using them as a > short term treatment for a very real long term problem that ails him. > It's not to punish him or dismiss him in anyway. It is to > acknowledge that he is in a very difficult state and not currently > under doctor's care or any consistent prescribe meds. regiment. > This is not unusual with patients who resist accepting what is truly > making them unhappy and not wanting to take medication everyday, > especially, when they think on a good day that they have the will > power to overcome whatever ails them. > > Illicit Drugs do exasperate the situation to often times suicide or > over dose deaths. > > The same can be said of someone suffering from Major Depression. > At their lowest, one is often found in a vegetative state. At their > highest, they often find they can function rather well, but it takes > a lot out of them and they need a lot of time to be alone or shut out > the noise and activity of others, until they can regroup themselves. > Using illicit drugs brings out the worse in their despair of > loneliness and they tend to focus on one issue that they feel if they > can only take care of or bring into their lives, all their depression > would miraculously go away. > > Das's main complaint when he is in the troughs of debilitating > depression is that he is not loved for who he is. And, if only he > had that one pure love he would be all better. Too, when he is > functioning and trying to get over all the neg. of his lowest rung of > depression, his anti social shyness, finds him disappointed that > others do not measure to his expectations. > > Drugs are an escape from reality or what hurts us or what we are > trying to cope with. Illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, acid and > others, bring the nightmares and sweats, vomiting and shivering; the > inability to use logical judgment or physically care for self. The > withdrawal of these drugs can bring on all sorts of psychosis, > hallucinations, deliriums and derangement's. > > The drugs then exasperate the problem. And can quite by themselves > if not curtailed bring on their own mental illness with continue use. > > I have the highest respect for Das, He is a brilliant developer of > software. His Jyotish and Vedas knowledge he knows well and is a > part of his soul. However, he is at a point in his life where he has > turned his back from this knowledge accept in programming his > software. BTW, he does have a new Beta version that was released in > Dec. 2005 for $100.00, but I hear he is not answering his emails or > phone. > > One must look at his family background to get a better > understanding of how as a child his brain chemistry was altered by > the dysfunction in his home environment. Statistics today do point > to the fact that children's brain chemistry while in the formative > years can be altered because of the environment they are exposed too. > This would include, experiencing continuous traumas, living with > abusive (physically or threatening) alcoholic or non alcoholic > parents, continual emotional abuse, rape, neglect (physical or > emotional), fear for ones own safety (War or homelessness), home > conditioning and learned behaviors to keep the family functional > (although dysfunctional) for the child's safety in his mind. There > is nothing more frightening to a child than the fear that he can be > rejected by one or both of his parents - who are in essence his > umbilical cord to reality, acceptance and survival. > > Sensitive children like Das are often ridiculed because they are > different. They are not like the other boys etc. It is interesting > to note that at the very idealistic age and independence of 19yrs old > Das found himself ensconced in the Hari Krishna movement here in the > USA.. He like others at this age are often seeking love and > acceptance and are eager to gain favor from those who are so readily > available to take them under their wing and propel them along. Like > a cult or brainwashing, if one must stretch the idealism. These > young kids of 18/19yrs old are ripe for the taking. > I am glad that for the most part the USA Hari Krishna movement has > been disbanded from this country as a business where soliciting > others as panderers for money was their sole activity outside their > ashram for their Guru. Too, it must be said, That the peak years > for Schizophrenia to start to show itself is between 19 and 21 yrs. > > Das's ashram years were filled with love and teaching and undivided > attention along with physical hardship to gain favor and be loved. > It was his destiny to experience this and I believe he learned well > from the experience. But, like so many other American born monks who > left their ashrams whether here in the States or in India, to begin > new lives on their own as now functioning Adults, some have made the > transition nicely while others like Das have not. > > There is not blame from me that Das is emotional or mentally > depressed because of drug use. Rather, I am concerned that the drugs > are making his depression worse. > As far as Bipolar, I am more inclined to say (not being a doctor or > one who has treated him in the past) that from his recent emails, > that sound the same two, three four years ago etc, that the diagnosis > of bipolar could very well be if not Major Depression then > Schizo-affective Bipolar. Because of the psychosis and lack of > reality at times and aloneness he experiences with his schizo- manic > and major depressive state. I would not rule out a combined problem > of Asperger Syndrome as a contributing factor either, which is a > form of autism. > > "Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder affecting several > areas of ones development. In contrast to Autism, people with AS are > likely to desire social acceptance, but may be unable to mediate > social interactions. Their conversation may be one sided, overly > focused on a narrow topic of interest..." from the Asperger's > Association of New Englandl > > But, then again, I am not the psychiatric doctor or the one > following is every day behavior or know for sure what if any > medications he is on. I do know his astrology chart accurately > points to mental/emotional illness and drug use. > > //Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are > evident > in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house of > enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows > partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. > These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface > if the indications weren't there in his horoscope.// > > > > Wendy, I have no argument that Das is truly suffering. His > horoscope supports his torment. I would also look at his 10th and > 11th house both ruled by Saturn and in his 11th house KE (ruler Purva > Bhadrapada/ JU and MO (Shatabhisha/RA) sit. Saturn's (Purva > Ashadha/Ve placement in Sag. with Jupiter (Mula/KE) in own house is a > contributing factor of positive and negative results. > > As Always > > Uttara :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Namaste, I am from the shadows of this list, the reason being that I haven't so far felt confident to participate. I am an autodidactic learner and it has taken five years of daily studies for the jyotir vidya to pay a visit to my humble home. She has recently and I am grateful and thrilled to the core of my being. I assume that Das is informed about this, to say the least, very open, frank even intimate discussion of his kundali. As far as I am concerned, I find your exchanges rather indiscrete and tasteless. And worst of all, mostly invalid. Uttara, I do not know your professional qualifications, but I happen to be a major in psychology and a therapist having worked with drug addicts and people living in what some call psychotic states. I have collected quite a few charts and I can tell you there is no easy correlation for drug abuse and mental illness or even the two separately. As far as throwing around labels for Das's dis-ease, they do not get you anywhere as they are just tags to make life easier for medical staff by placing patients into neat little compartements. They are not helpful to the person concerned. By the way, opiates have powerful antipsychotic and antidepressive qualities, which makes them so attractive to people who are suffering from some kind of trauma as all addicts do. As far as Das is concerned, I believe his problems lies elsewhere entirely and I have told him too, but this is not for discussing in public unless permission has been given by him. Om Namah Shivaya Christiane On Feb 28, 2006, at 21:26, muttaraphalguni wrote: > Hi Wendy, > > I am afraid there is more to Das's personality woes other that what > I have mentioned and we have talked about. But, because I am not a > psychiatrist, I hate to get ahead of myself in any more arm chair > psychology. However, I am uplaoding in the Database, articles on > Psychosis, Dissociative Identity Disorder (split personality), > Emotional dysregulation, along with articles on Bi-polar and > schizophrenia for all members to study and reflect on in regard to > Das's chart being the subject of Group Study. > > Uttara jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > wrote: >> >> Dear Uttara, >> >> Indeed, I'm in agreement with you. From the days when GJlist was >> first formed, his struggle against depression and drug abuse has > been >> well-known. It is a shame and his suffering is very real as no one >> will deny. >> >> Something quite unique about Das is his confusion about his > identity. >> This could be attributed perhaps to the fact that both lagna lord > and >> 10th lord are in 12th therefrom. >> >> Speaking of his new software; I'm hanging on, perhaps vainly, for >> when he has it up and running as a fully functional programme, > hoping >> that he will have all the options available i.e. Sunrise options > and >> so forth. I did contact PL again but a response has not been so >> forthcoming this time - perhaps they're not pleased that I've >> insisted there's an error? >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya.com >> ______________________________ >> >> - >> "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni >> <jyotish-vidya> >> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:56 AM >> Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts >> >> >> Namaste Wendy, >> >> In regard to Das. You wrote: >> >> //I got impression that you were attributing the mental > suffering >> solely to drug abuse.// >> >> >> No Wendy, that is not what I referring too. I think that Das is >> very much emotionally/mentally distressed. I have had personal >> interaction with him in the pass with this continuing issue. So > my >> empathy is deep and sound. What I was saying is that I believe > he >> is presenting a more Major Depression with all it's up and downs > of >> coping and that his sign of distress points more this way that > true >> Bipolar. >> >> As one knows, there are several levels in the spectrum of > Bipolar >> that one can be diagnosed, they are the following: Bipolar 1 >> Disorder, Schizo-affective Bipolar Disorder, Bipolar 11 Disorder, >> Bipolar Disorder NOS, Cyclothymia, Rapid-Cycling Bipolar Disorder, >> mixed or Dysphoric Mania, Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Covert > Cycling >> and Depressing Disorders. >> >> Bipolar is very difficult to accurately diagnosed and those > that >> seek early treatment and meds. do better than others left > untreated >> or undiagnosed, or those who do not follow through on their >> prescribed plan to reach some peace and sanity. >> >> Since Das has not been under recent and continuous medical care > it >> is difficult to really know what he is suffering from. But it > does >> show in his chart as you say, that he is afflicted mentally and >> emotionally along with drug use. >> >> All I was saying about his drug use is that he is using them as > a >> short term treatment for a very real long term problem that ails > him. >> It's not to punish him or dismiss him in anyway. It is to >> acknowledge that he is in a very difficult state and not currently >> under doctor's care or any consistent prescribe meds. regiment. >> This is not unusual with patients who resist accepting what is > truly >> making them unhappy and not wanting to take medication everyday, >> especially, when they think on a good day that they have the will >> power to overcome whatever ails them. >> >> Illicit Drugs do exasperate the situation to often times suicide > or >> over dose deaths. >> >> The same can be said of someone suffering from Major Depression. >> At their lowest, one is often found in a vegetative state. At > their >> highest, they often find they can function rather well, but it > takes >> a lot out of them and they need a lot of time to be alone or shut > out >> the noise and activity of others, until they can regroup > themselves. >> Using illicit drugs brings out the worse in their despair of >> loneliness and they tend to focus on one issue that they feel if > they >> can only take care of or bring into their lives, all their > depression >> would miraculously go away. >> >> Das's main complaint when he is in the troughs of debilitating >> depression is that he is not loved for who he is. And, if only he >> had that one pure love he would be all better. Too, when he is >> functioning and trying to get over all the neg. of his lowest rung > of >> depression, his anti social shyness, finds him disappointed that >> others do not measure to his expectations. >> >> Drugs are an escape from reality or what hurts us or what we are >> trying to cope with. Illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, acid > and >> others, bring the nightmares and sweats, vomiting and shivering; > the >> inability to use logical judgment or physically care for self. The >> withdrawal of these drugs can bring on all sorts of psychosis, >> hallucinations, deliriums and derangement's. >> >> The drugs then exasperate the problem. And can quite by > themselves >> if not curtailed bring on their own mental illness with continue > use. >> >> I have the highest respect for Das, He is a brilliant developer > of >> software. His Jyotish and Vedas knowledge he knows well and is a >> part of his soul. However, he is at a point in his life where he > has >> turned his back from this knowledge accept in programming his >> software. BTW, he does have a new Beta version that was released > in >> Dec. 2005 for $100.00, but I hear he is not answering his emails > or >> phone. >> >> One must look at his family background to get a better >> understanding of how as a child his brain chemistry was altered by >> the dysfunction in his home environment. Statistics today do > point >> to the fact that children's brain chemistry while in the formative >> years can be altered because of the environment they are exposed > too. >> This would include, experiencing continuous traumas, living with >> abusive (physically or threatening) alcoholic or non alcoholic >> parents, continual emotional abuse, rape, neglect (physical or >> emotional), fear for ones own safety (War or homelessness), home >> conditioning and learned behaviors to keep the family functional >> (although dysfunctional) for the child's safety in his mind. > There >> is nothing more frightening to a child than the fear that he can > be >> rejected by one or both of his parents - who are in essence his >> umbilical cord to reality, acceptance and survival. >> >> Sensitive children like Das are often ridiculed because they are >> different. They are not like the other boys etc. It is > interesting >> to note that at the very idealistic age and independence of 19yrs > old >> Das found himself ensconced in the Hari Krishna movement here in > the >> USA.. He like others at this age are often seeking love and >> acceptance and are eager to gain favor from those who are so > readily >> available to take them under their wing and propel them along. > Like >> a cult or brainwashing, if one must stretch the idealism. These >> young kids of 18/19yrs old are ripe for the taking. >> I am glad that for the most part the USA Hari Krishna movement > has >> been disbanded from this country as a business where soliciting >> others as panderers for money was their sole activity outside > their >> ashram for their Guru. Too, it must be said, That the peak years >> for Schizophrenia to start to show itself is between 19 and 21 yrs. >> >> Das's ashram years were filled with love and teaching and > undivided >> attention along with physical hardship to gain favor and be loved. >> It was his destiny to experience this and I believe he learned > well >> from the experience. But, like so many other American born monks > who >> left their ashrams whether here in the States or in India, to > begin >> new lives on their own as now functioning Adults, some have made > the >> transition nicely while others like Das have not. >> >> There is not blame from me that Das is emotional or mentally >> depressed because of drug use. Rather, I am concerned that the > drugs >> are making his depression worse. >> As far as Bipolar, I am more inclined to say (not being a doctor > or >> one who has treated him in the past) that from his recent emails, >> that sound the same two, three four years ago etc, that the > diagnosis >> of bipolar could very well be if not Major Depression then >> Schizo-affective Bipolar. Because of the psychosis and lack of >> reality at times and aloneness he experiences with his schizo- > manic >> and major depressive state. I would not rule out a combined > problem >> of Asperger Syndrome as a contributing factor either, which is a >> form of autism. >> >> "Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder affecting > several >> areas of ones development. In contrast to Autism, people with AS > are >> likely to desire social acceptance, but may be unable to mediate >> social interactions. Their conversation may be one sided, overly >> focused on a narrow topic of interest..." from the Asperger's >> Association of New Englandl >> >> But, then again, I am not the psychiatric doctor or the one >> following is every day behavior or know for sure what if any >> medications he is on. I do know his astrology chart accurately >> points to mental/emotional illness and drug use. >> >> //Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are >> evident >> in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house > of >> enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows >> partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. >> These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface >> if the indications weren't there in his horoscope.// >> >> >> >> Wendy, I have no argument that Das is truly suffering. His >> horoscope supports his torment. I would also look at his 10th and >> 11th house both ruled by Saturn and in his 11th house KE (ruler > Purva >> Bhadrapada/ JU and MO (Shatabhisha/RA) sit. Saturn's (Purva >> Ashadha/Ve placement in Sag. with Jupiter (Mula/KE) in own house > is a >> contributing factor of positive and negative results. >> >> As Always >> >> Uttara :-) >> > > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 jyotish-vidya, christiane cameron <ccameron wrote: > > Namaste, > > I am from the shadows of this list, the reason being that I haven't so > far felt confident to participate. I am an autodidactic learner >and it has taken five years of daily studies for the jyotir vidya >to pay a visit to my humble home. She has recently and I am >grateful and thrilled to the core of my being. Uttara Responds: Christiane, I am glad to see someone who is an autodiadactic (self learner) have confidence enough to participate openly. It is to be admired for your courage and forthright. If I may quote from Admini's website: C;\DOCUME-1\ADMINI-1\LOCALS-1 \Temp\8L0YOCV9.htm "In Sanskrit, the science of Jyotisha is called the Jyotir Vidya, which can be translated as the science of light or as the Goddess of Light, for Vidya is a word that has meanings deeper than English can express. Vidya, can be translated as Science of Goddess, because the science is her body, science is the goddess, the Vidya. It is said that you don't get Her she gets you, she makes you Hers and devours you. To understand Jyotish, the Jyotir Vidya must come for you." May I also say that the deep roots of the Upanishads humbling one to a deeply religious and high selfless state and belief is to be humbly acknowledged and knelt to. May I also take this time to wlecome you as an open and hopefully continual participant in Jyotish-Vidya forum. We are as a learned group of various backgrounds and learning, a friendly sort and always openn to learn and here from others. May I also, ask if you would be comfortable to write and enlighten others here on the jyotish-vidya forum your studies in the "Five Sheaths and Antar-Jyotir Vidyas"? It's open discussion would prove to be an asset to our group and make for a lively discussion among many. May I quote once agian from another source to validate your learning and expression of knowledge?! http://www.vedamsboooks.com/no13652.htm "V. Five Sheaths and Antar-Jyotir Vidyas: 1. Major avenues to Atman Brahman in the great Vidyas: outline of chapter. 2. Taittiriya Upanisad; text of five sheaths Vidya. 3. The first level or self (physical person). 4. Second level or self (Prana). 5. Third level of self (mind). 6. Vijnana-maya level: the nature of Vijnana, based on TaittUp ll. 4.3. 7. Higher levels of Vijnana: forms of Vijnana. 8. Vijnana and ordinary knowledge and understanding. 9. The "Invisible, Center-less, un-defined, non-based". 10. "Vijnana of the "Invisible.." The essence of the Vidya as a whole. 11. Different Vijnana Vidyas that teach different kinds of Vijnana. 12. Antar-jyotir Vidya, BrhUp 1V.3. 1-34 (K): text. 13. Antar-jyotir Vidya, beginning (BrhUp lv 3. 1-20 (K). 14.The Antar-jyotish teaching. 15. The light of knowledge or awareness in the heart, and dream. 16. The light of knowledge or awarenes of one's own mental phenomena. 17. Ajatasatru's teaching to Balaki. 18. Ananda-maya level and beyond. 19. The world born out of the Ananda-maya. 20. Ananda-maya from the point of view of the aspirant-devotee. 21. BrhUp 1V. 3. 1-34 (K). 22."Brahman is Vijnana and Ananda". 23. Merger into Brahman." > I assume that Das is informed about this, to say the least, very open, > frank even intimate discussion of his kundali. Yes, Christiane, Das is not only aware but has given permission for use of his chart for study. The owner of this forum including myself have been in personal contact with him. In fact, many here on this forum go back several years of knowing Das through his emperical work and software development. Many of us too, have had personal contact with him (whether consistent or sporadic)through the years with his ups and downs of struggles. There is no dishonour here in Das's name or person. >As far as I am > concerned, I find your exchanges rather indiscrete and tasteless. And > worst of all, mostly invalid. I am sorry that you feel this way. There has been no intention on my part to be disrespectful. > Uttara, I do not know your professional qualifications, but I happen to > be a major in psychology and a therapist having worked with drug > addicts and people living in what some call psychotic states. I have > collected quite a few charts and I can tell you there is no easy > correlation for drug abuse and mental illness or even the two > separately. I admire your study and work and have no disagreement with you. As an active participant you may want to avail yourself to our recent (on going development) Database that gives background information on some of us who have had the chance to inform. My background is there for your perusal (humbly presented with no pretense to be an expert in any one area) as are a variety of others. No doubt this table of member charts will grow as the database continues to define itself in breath and depth. > > As far as throwing around labels for Das's dis-ease, they do not get > you anywhere as they are just tags to make life easier for medical > staff by placing patients into neat little compartements. They are not > helpful to the person concerned. I have no disagreement with you here. Infact, it is very painful to even speculate. However, there are those that want to simply catergorize one into a pigeon hole that I feel is totally unfair and ignorant of the complexity of a person and their background conditioning and learned behaviors; if not down and out right Neurological or chemical imbalances. > > By the way, opiates have powerful antipsychotic and antidepressive > qualities, which makes them so attractive to people who are suffering > from some kind of trauma as all addicts do. I agrree. But, opiates themselves, as you are well awrae can be misused and cause all sorts of problems. If that is truley the case in any one individual > As far as Das is concerned, I believe his problems lies elsewhere > entirely and I have told him too, but this is not for discussing in > public unless permission has been given by him. Again, I agree. I am not convinced that Das's problems lie in any one area. Again too. His permission has been granted and where any one of us is incorrect in our statements or accessments, he has written to enlighten the email author and give his prespective. There is no dishounor to Das and all sensitivity is and has been given to Das and his person. I hope my response to you has cleared the air for understanding. I look forward as one of the members of this group and one of the people that is continuing to build the database in its infancy to be of value to others. Respectfully, Uttara > > Om Namah Shivaya > Christiane > > >> On Feb 28, 2006, at 21:26, muttaraphalguni wrote: > > > Hi Wendy, > > > > I am afraid there is more to Das's personality woes other that what > > I have mentioned and we have talked about. But, because I am not a > > psychiatrist, I hate to get ahead of myself in any more arm chair > > psychology. However, I am uplaoding in the Database, articles on > > Psychosis, Dissociative Identity Disorder (split personality), > > Emotional dysregulation, along with articles on Bi-polar and > > schizophrenia for all members to study and reflect on in regard to > > Das's chart being the subject of Group Study. > > > > Uttara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Uttara, > >> > >> Indeed, I'm in agreement with you. From the days when GJlist was > >> first formed, his struggle against depression and drug abuse has > > been > >> well-known. It is a shame and his suffering is very real as no one > >> will deny. > >> > >> Something quite unique about Das is his confusion about his > > identity. > >> This could be attributed perhaps to the fact that both lagna lord > > and > >> 10th lord are in 12th therefrom. > >> > >> Speaking of his new software; I'm hanging on, perhaps vainly, for > >> when he has it up and running as a fully functional programme, > > hoping > >> that he will have all the options available i.e. Sunrise options > > and > >> so forth. I did contact PL again but a response has not been so > >> forthcoming this time - perhaps they're not pleased that I've > >> insisted there's an error? > >> > >> Best Wishes, > >> Mrs. Wendy > >> http://JyotishVidya.com > >> ______________________________ > >> > >> - > >> "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni@> > >> <jyotish-vidya> > >> Tuesday, February 28, 2006 2:56 AM > >> Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts > >> > >> > >> Namaste Wendy, > >> > >> In regard to Das. You wrote: > >> > >> //I got impression that you were attributing the mental > > suffering > >> solely to drug abuse.// > >> > >> > >> No Wendy, that is not what I referring too. I think that Das is > >> very much emotionally/mentally distressed. I have had personal > >> interaction with him in the pass with this continuing issue. So > > my > >> empathy is deep and sound. What I was saying is that I believe > > he > >> is presenting a more Major Depression with all it's up and downs > > of > >> coping and that his sign of distress points more this way that > > true > >> Bipolar. > >> > >> As one knows, there are several levels in the spectrum of > > Bipolar > >> that one can be diagnosed, they are the following: Bipolar 1 > >> Disorder, Schizo-affective Bipolar Disorder, Bipolar 11 Disorder, > >> Bipolar Disorder NOS, Cyclothymia, Rapid-Cycling Bipolar Disorder, > >> mixed or Dysphoric Mania, Bipolar Spectrum Disorder, Covert > > Cycling > >> and Depressing Disorders. > >> > >> Bipolar is very difficult to accurately diagnosed and those > > that > >> seek early treatment and meds. do better than others left > > untreated > >> or undiagnosed, or those who do not follow through on their > >> prescribed plan to reach some peace and sanity. > >> > >> Since Das has not been under recent and continuous medical care > > it > >> is difficult to really know what he is suffering from. But it > > does > >> show in his chart as you say, that he is afflicted mentally and > >> emotionally along with drug use. > >> > >> All I was saying about his drug use is that he is using them as > > a > >> short term treatment for a very real long term problem that ails > > him. > >> It's not to punish him or dismiss him in anyway. It is to > >> acknowledge that he is in a very difficult state and not currently > >> under doctor's care or any consistent prescribe meds. regiment. > >> This is not unusual with patients who resist accepting what is > > truly > >> making them unhappy and not wanting to take medication everyday, > >> especially, when they think on a good day that they have the will > >> power to overcome whatever ails them. > >> > >> Illicit Drugs do exasperate the situation to often times suicide > > or > >> over dose deaths. > >> > >> The same can be said of someone suffering from Major Depression. > >> At their lowest, one is often found in a vegetative state. At > > their > >> highest, they often find they can function rather well, but it > > takes > >> a lot out of them and they need a lot of time to be alone or shut > > out > >> the noise and activity of others, until they can regroup > > themselves. > >> Using illicit drugs brings out the worse in their despair of > >> loneliness and they tend to focus on one issue that they feel if > > they > >> can only take care of or bring into their lives, all their > > depression > >> would miraculously go away. > >> > >> Das's main complaint when he is in the troughs of debilitating > >> depression is that he is not loved for who he is. And, if only he > >> had that one pure love he would be all better. Too, when he is > >> functioning and trying to get over all the neg. of his lowest rung > > of > >> depression, his anti social shyness, finds him disappointed that > >> others do not measure to his expectations. > >> > >> Drugs are an escape from reality or what hurts us or what we are > >> trying to cope with. Illegal drugs such as heroin, cocaine, acid > > and > >> others, bring the nightmares and sweats, vomiting and shivering; > > the > >> inability to use logical judgment or physically care for self. The > >> withdrawal of these drugs can bring on all sorts of psychosis, > >> hallucinations, deliriums and derangement's. > >> > >> The drugs then exasperate the problem. And can quite by > > themselves > >> if not curtailed bring on their own mental illness with continue > > use. > >> > >> I have the highest respect for Das, He is a brilliant developer > > of > >> software. His Jyotish and Vedas knowledge he knows well and is a > >> part of his soul. However, he is at a point in his life where he > > has > >> turned his back from this knowledge accept in programming his > >> software. BTW, he does have a new Beta version that was released > > in > >> Dec. 2005 for $100.00, but I hear he is not answering his emails > > or > >> phone. > >> > >> One must look at his family background to get a better > >> understanding of how as a child his brain chemistry was altered by > >> the dysfunction in his home environment. Statistics today do > > point > >> to the fact that children's brain chemistry while in the formative > >> years can be altered because of the environment they are exposed > > too. > >> This would include, experiencing continuous traumas, living with > >> abusive (physically or threatening) alcoholic or non alcoholic > >> parents, continual emotional abuse, rape, neglect (physical or > >> emotional), fear for ones own safety (War or homelessness), home > >> conditioning and learned behaviors to keep the family functional > >> (although dysfunctional) for the child's safety in his mind. > > There > >> is nothing more frightening to a child than the fear that he can > > be > >> rejected by one or both of his parents - who are in essence his > >> umbilical cord to reality, acceptance and survival. > >> > >> Sensitive children like Das are often ridiculed because they are > >> different. They are not like the other boys etc. It is > > interesting > >> to note that at the very idealistic age and independence of 19yrs > > old > >> Das found himself ensconced in the Hari Krishna movement here in > > the > >> USA.. He like others at this age are often seeking love and > >> acceptance and are eager to gain favor from those who are so > > readily > >> available to take them under their wing and propel them along. > > Like > >> a cult or brainwashing, if one must stretch the idealism. These > >> young kids of 18/19yrs old are ripe for the taking. > >> I am glad that for the most part the USA Hari Krishna movement > > has > >> been disbanded from this country as a business where soliciting > >> others as panderers for money was their sole activity outside > > their > >> ashram for their Guru. Too, it must be said, That the peak years > >> for Schizophrenia to start to show itself is between 19 and 21 yrs. > >> > >> Das's ashram years were filled with love and teaching and > > undivided > >> attention along with physical hardship to gain favor and be loved. > >> It was his destiny to experience this and I believe he learned > > well > >> from the experience. But, like so many other American born monks > > who > >> left their ashrams whether here in the States or in India, to > > begin > >> new lives on their own as now functioning Adults, some have made > > the > >> transition nicely while others like Das have not. > >> > >> There is not blame from me that Das is emotional or mentally > >> depressed because of drug use. Rather, I am concerned that the > > drugs > >> are making his depression worse. > >> As far as Bipolar, I am more inclined to say (not being a doctor > > or > >> one who has treated him in the past) that from his recent emails, > >> that sound the same two, three four years ago etc, that the > > diagnosis > >> of bipolar could very well be if not Major Depression then > >> Schizo-affective Bipolar. Because of the psychosis and lack of > >> reality at times and aloneness he experiences with his schizo- > > manic > >> and major depressive state. I would not rule out a combined > > problem > >> of Asperger Syndrome as a contributing factor either, which is a > >> form of autism. > >> > >> "Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological disorder affecting > > several > >> areas of ones development. In contrast to Autism, people with AS > > are > >> likely to desire social acceptance, but may be unable to mediate > >> social interactions. Their conversation may be one sided, overly > >> focused on a narrow topic of interest..." from the Asperger's > >> Association of New Englandl > >> > >> But, then again, I am not the psychiatric doctor or the one > >> following is every day behavior or know for sure what if any > >> medications he is on. I do know his astrology chart accurately > >> points to mental/emotional illness and drug use. > >> > >> //Both the affliction to 4th lord Moon and the drug abuse are > >> evident > >> in Das's chart. Note 6th lord conjunct 5th lord in 2nd - 6th house > > of > >> enemies (internal & external) governs vices etc; 2nd house shows > >> partaking of wrong food/drink; 12th is house of intoxicants etc.. > >> These demons that Das battles with (continuously) would not surface > >> if the indications weren't there in his horoscope.// > >> > >> > >> > >> Wendy, I have no argument that Das is truly suffering. His > >> horoscope supports his torment. I would also look at his 10th and > >> 11th house both ruled by Saturn and in his 11th house KE (ruler > > Purva > >> Bhadrapada/ JU and MO (Shatabhisha/RA) sit. Saturn's (Purva > >> Ashadha/Ve placement in Sag. with Jupiter (Mula/KE) in own house > > is a > >> contributing factor of positive and negative results. > >> > >> As Always > >> > >> Uttara :-) > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hello Christine, What you say is correct of course. However, as I'm sure you know, I informed Das on his list that his chart was going to be discussed in conjunction with John Nash's as (astrologically) there are strong similarities. Das offered no objection to this either publicly or privately. As you also know, I'm sure, Das has discussed his chart openly with everyone. In fact when he was a member of the original JyotishVidya group back in 2001 he discussed his chart openly with us. ///I assume that Das is informed about this, to say the least, very open, frank even intimate discussion of his kundali. As far as I am concerned, I find your exchanges rather indiscrete and tasteless. And worst of all, mostly invalid./// As I said above, YES HE WAS INFORMED!! However John Nash was never informed of our intention to discuss HIS chart; nor was Pope Benedict informed before K.N. Rao publicly vilified him. Bill Clinton's permission was never sought, nor George W. Bush, Bill Gates etc, etc.. The list is long! My own chart has been discussed on other groups without anyone giving me the opportunity to say yea or nea; I DID however write to Das before his chart was entered into the Database. Here is an extract of the mail I sent to Das: ///Das, the chart that's been put forward to study (on my group) this week is of another well-known sufferer of mental illness. As soon as I looked at the chart I was reminded of you...so many similarities! In the chart I speak of, the native suffers from schizophrenia whilst you suffer from Bi-Polar; none-the-less the similarities are great. I'm sure (I hope) you won't mind if I comment (on my group) about the similarities between the two charts. I'll tell you a little bit here of what I see.../// I thought my episode of "spitting the dummy" the other day was an isolated incident, but it seems we can all lose our cool under the right circumstances. The truth is that everyone is affected by our harsh words...intended or not! ///I am an autodidactic learner and it has taken five years of daily studies for the jyotir vidya to pay a visit to my humble home. She has recently and I am grateful and thrilled to the core of my being./// I'm pleased that you're making progress in your understanding of Jyotish and I do agree (for some) it can be a slow process. ///I am from the shadows of this list, the reason being that I haven't so far felt confident to participate./// Those silent members who feel a lack of confidence can easily contribute by asking for clarification of the things they're not sure of. In so doing, not only the questioner, but all the other silent members can benefit from the discussion - this is what the group is for, but sadly it's not utilised. You know this Christine, you've been here long enough, and long enough certainly not to feel out of place :-) I find my thoughts, once again, drifting towards the profound verses of the Rig Veda (ninth mandala): "1. Various are our acts, (various) are the occupations of men; the carpenter desires timber, the physician disease, the Brahman a worshiper who effuses Soma; flow, Indu for Indra. 2. With dried plants (are arrows made), with the feathers of birds (and) with glistening stones; the smith seeks a man who has gold; flow, Indu for Indra. 3. I am the singer; papa is the physician; mamma throws the corn upon the grinding stones; having various occupations, desiring riches we remain (in the world) like cattle (in the stalls); flow, Indu for Indra. 4. The draft horse (desires) a cart easy (to draw); those that invite guests (desire) merriment; the frog desires water; flow, Indu for Indra." In the same vein, I might add; the teacher desires a student willing to learn, whilst those intent on giving help to the suffering, desire a forum to reach out to them...and so forth and so on :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "christiane cameron" <ccameron <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:25 AM Re: Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts Namaste, I am from the shadows of this list, the reason being that I haven't so far felt confident to participate. I am an autodidactic learner and it has taken five years of daily studies for the jyotir vidya to pay a visit to my humble home. She has recently and I am grateful and thrilled to the core of my being. I assume that Das is informed about this, to say the least, very open, frank even intimate discussion of his kundali. As far as I am concerned, I find your exchanges rather indiscrete and tasteless. And worst of all, mostly invalid. Uttara, I do not know your professional qualifications, but I happen to be a major in psychology and a therapist having worked with drug addicts and people living in what some call psychotic states. I have collected quite a few charts and I can tell you there is no easy correlation for drug abuse and mental illness or even the two separately. As far as throwing around labels for Das's dis-ease, they do not get you anywhere as they are just tags to make life easier for medical staff by placing patients into neat little compartements. They are not helpful to the person concerned. By the way, opiates have powerful antipsychotic and antidepressive qualities, which makes them so attractive to people who are suffering from some kind of trauma as all addicts do. As far as Das is concerned, I believe his problems lies elsewhere entirely and I have told him too, but this is not for discussing in public unless permission has been given by him. 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Dear Uttara, thank you for welcoming me in spite of that rather noisy entreé. I am going to delete the lengthy post here and just answer your questions generally. I think I joined the forum sometime back in 2000, since then I also know Das in the way most people do, who bought his software and join his list. Since then we have corresponded a couple of times in private and talked over the phone also. I also use PL now. I greatly admire Wendy and love her for the fantastic work effort she has been giving to Jyotish and to all of us. As to my own background. I came into contact with western astrology through practicing friends years ago, but it never seemed worth pursuing. Until I lived in India on and of for seven years and decided one day, that since astrology is part of daily life there and happening all around me, I must have at least a rudimentary understanding of it. I came across Hart de Fouw's and Svodboda's book "Light on Life" in a Trivandrum bookstore, bought it, read it - and - understood - nothing. As I am not used to not understand what I read, this really got me going and I read and reread the book until I got some grip. By that time I was caught in the Goddesses web. Due to prarabdha we had to return to Berlin and there I became an autodidact out of necessity (no teachers available). I have been studying daily for almost 6 years now. Its a bit like Eklavya and Guru Dronacharya. I have learned a lot from K.N. Rao and others as well, but they remain blissfully unaware of their somewhat willful chela. I do not advertise myself (what is there to advertise?) and I would never charge for a reading. I am a student of Ramana Maharshi since 1995. Jyotish is part of my Sadhana. Namah Shivaya Christina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Namaste Dear Wendy, I read the recent news and my prayers are with you and your sister at this time. Dear all, Regarding my participation in the group-- I definitely contribute in a more spontaneous way as it takes inspiration to put in the time that it takes to study a chart and write an analysis. The study of Jyotish is completely captivating and enjoyable but it has the role of a leisure activity for me as I have a full-time job and a secondary part-time job as well. So unless I am somehow inspired, I don't have the time or energy to contribute as often as I'd like. When I do contribute I spend quite a few hours looking at the chart or contemplating the topic and putting my thoughts together -- often I end up staying up quite late. Recently, I came across and was inspired by a discussion of Nalini's chart on the "valist" group -- she just shared her birth details on this group as well. I had posted my input on the other group, but I'd be happy to post it here too if anyone would be interested & Nalini does not object. Christiane, I read your recent contributions and it is nice to "hear" a new voice. I thought your objection was appropriate given what you knew. If you hadn't spoken your mind then you'd still be silently appalled by what had seemed to be a tasteless discussion and the peace that you know have about it would be eluding you still. Sometimes hesitation can be more of an obstacle to peace than straight-forward, even "rash" communication. Given the recent posts, I think it is obvious that we all have good intentions here and we are in good company. Om Karunayai Namaha jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > You Wrote: > //However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can > only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference.// > > I think it's best if it's more spontaneous, don't you agree? It's > good that we have all these charts in the Database and I'm > appreciative of all your hard work. However, as we all know, there > are far more silent lurkers than there are participants, who, I'm > sure, will find the Database invaluable in their studies. One thing I > would like to say is that it would be better to include only charts > that have a confirmed T.O.B. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni > <jyotish-vidya> > Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM > Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts > > > Hi Wendy, > Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and > why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the subject > theme, > > From there I would like to classified in the links and files > sections the different subjects that come up with each chart along > with books and articles and other references that people can go to on > their own, for further research. > > If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with you > about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own you > sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. > > Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. > > In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount of > charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and > articles written on the matter along with biographies and > autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental illness > from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed to > succumb to much a mental hell > > However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can > only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. > > Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia Woolf > and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its > different levels. With these three charts with their Schizoaffective > Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great introduction > into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. > Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. > However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince that > he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs and > lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the > problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into this > category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional illnessness > that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly conditioning > and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) > that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own > members. > > Do you have any other suggestions? > > I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the > moderators. > > As Always, > > Uttara > > p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find > interesting charts. > > I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then study > the champions of the Olympics??. > > Maybe Twins > Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers > Health in members charts > Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn of > members charts > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Namaste Sean, Nice to see you here and your recent comments. May I take this time to advocate for myself in light of your recent commentary. I too, put in a lot of time and effort to study a chart and humbily offer my overall observations. But, I am not one to arbitarily discuss or pronounce an accusation. As far as the recent chart that has brought much recent commentary, I have stated my positiion as others, on having personal contact with this person for many years. Of course, it does not mean that whatever I say is exact. And, where I have been misguided, I have personally discussed the matter privately with the chart owner. Too, I spend many hours at my desk daily, often times 12 hrs or more, laboring over charts and my contribution to Jyotish-Vidya. There has not been one chart that I have taken lightly or cast an assumption without back up material to support its destiny. I believe, as you have stated that most if not all of us are genuine in our thoughts and actions here on JV. I would like to affirm that my presence and activity is not anything less. I spend a great deal of time daily on my computer for JV, whether it is noticed or not. I am not as a whole, wanting any affirmation, but since you brought the subject up, it is only fair and reasonable that I reply in my own defense. I welcome any one person if they have the time, fortitiude and patience to change positions with me for JV. Of course, my position has been taken on without duress and I am glad I can be of service. It is true, that without objection, JV would wither in its intent or accuracy. However, I believe the subject has been well responeded to by Wendy, JV's owner and guiding light, over and above others opinions, including mine. May I add, that in the data base there are several tables that one can contribute to. In the "Member charts" table there are given opportunity in its various columns to identify oneself and give detail inforamtion that is very difficult to cultivate without personal input. The Tables are set up for all to use and add to. Sean, I am sure that this is something you would be interested in, even with your limited time available. The tables are set up for anyone to contribute at their leisure and go back to as often as possible to give added information where one wants to contribute. As Always, Uttara ejyotish-vidya, "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean wrote: > > Namaste > > Dear Wendy, I read the recent news and my prayers are with you and > your sister at this time. > > Dear all, > > Regarding my participation in the group-- I definitely contribute > in a more spontaneous way as it takes inspiration to put in the time > that it takes to study a chart and write an analysis. > > The study of Jyotish is completely captivating and enjoyable but it > has the role of a leisure activity for me as I have a full-time job > and a secondary part-time job as well. > > So unless I am somehow inspired, I don't have the time or energy to > contribute as often as I'd like. When I do contribute I spend quite > a few hours looking at the chart or contemplating the topic and > putting my thoughts together -- often I end up staying up quite late. > > Recently, I came across and was inspired by a discussion of Nalini's > chart on the "valist" group -- she just shared her birth details on > this group as well. I had posted my input on the other group, but > I'd be happy to post it here too if anyone would be interested & > Nalini does not object. > > Christiane, I read your recent contributions and it is nice > to "hear" a new voice. I thought your objection was appropriate > given what you knew. If you hadn't spoken your mind then you'd > still be silently appalled by what had seemed to be a tasteless > discussion and the peace that you know have about it would be > eluding you still. Sometimes hesitation can be more of an obstacle > to peace than straight-forward, even "rash" communication. > > Given the recent posts, I think it is obvious that we all have good > intentions here and we are in good company. > > Om Karunayai Namaha > > jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Uttara, > > > > You Wrote: > > //However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can > > only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference.// > > > > I think it's best if it's more spontaneous, don't you agree? It's > > good that we have all these charts in the Database and I'm > > appreciative of all your hard work. However, as we all know, there > > are far more silent lurkers than there are participants, who, I'm > > sure, will find the Database invaluable in their studies. One > thing I > > would like to say is that it would be better to include only > charts > > that have a confirmed T.O.B. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ______________________________ > > > > - > > "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni@> > > <jyotish-vidya> > > Monday, February 27, 2006 2:59 AM > > Re: Week 3 Group Study Charts > > > > > > Hi Wendy, > > Thanks for your support. Yes the charts can be overwhelming and > > why I strongly suggest that one stay in the perimeters of the > subject > > theme, > > > > From there I would like to classified in the links and files > > sections the different subjects that come up with each chart > along > > with books and articles and other references that people can go to > on > > their own, for further research. > > > > If you are talking about a personal correspondence I had with > you > > about Das, then I can resend it to you privately. If it was own > you > > sent to the group I am sure it is in the archives for reach. > > > > Let me know and I will go hunting for what you have written. > > > > In the research of mental illness, I Found an incredible amount > of > > charts (with and without birth times) and a slew of books and > > articles written on the matter along with biographies and > > autobiographies. We could spend a whole year just on mental > illness > > from childhood on up and what triggers those that are predisposed > to > > succumb to much a mental hell > > > > However, I think the group is tiring of the same theme-they can > > only take so much and talk so much about it in one reference. > > > > Next week (4) I would like to use Slyvia Plath's and Virginia > Woolf > > and Vivien Leigh's charts to introduce Bi Poplar and all its > > different levels. With these three charts with their > Schizoaffective > > Bipolar and suicides, I thought it would make a great > introduction > > into the Bipoplar disorders and at their worse end mental illness. > > Week (5) This is where I wanted to use Das as the main feature. > > However, as I have already stated privately, I am not convince > that > > he is truly Bipoplar and instead Major Depression with its highs > and > > lows and psychosis incubated with hard drug use to axaberate the > > problem. There are a number of charts like Das's that fall into > this > > category. That can supoort his. They are the emotional > illnessness > > that plague many of us from just pure stress and famlly > conditioning > > and learned behaviors (the multi-generaltional learned behaviors) > > that could make for some lively comparisons and talks from our own > > members. > > > > Do you have any other suggestions? > > > > I am trying to meet everyone's needs and those request by the > > moderators. > > > > As Always, > > > > Uttara > > > > p.s. I am concern that the fourm is quiet, asI am trying to find > > interesting charts. > > > > I thigh maybe after this round of Mental Illness we come then > study > > the champions of the Olympics??. > > > > Maybe Twins > > Deaths of Babies and young children -teenagers > > Health in members charts > > Or death of a parent, sibling, fostering, Adoptive in compariosn > of > > members charts > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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