Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 To All, I put up a suggestion for Study Group week 5. "Mercury on the Mind" There is a link to the subject that Neena provided in the database of the JV forum. If anyone is so inclined to tackle this subject and select a name or two from the database tables to use as a comparison study, or other, it should make for an interesting week's conversation. I want to thank all those that have responded in the last twelve hours to my request for futher prayers needed for my mother's welfare. It is very kind and generous of you and I am very appreciative. Because I will be at the hospital for the better part of the week (130 mile round trip) I will not be contributing in this week's study group. However, I will try and read the emails to keep up. I will also try to keep up with the database input when I have a chance and will answer any questions when I have a moment. Every one have a good week As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Uttara and All, As I'm sure you've noticed I'm not finding it easy to get my teeth into any of the study charts at the moment. The mind, fully in accord with Venus PD, is feeling rather lethargic I'm afraid - have to get the whip out to do anything at all these days. I can only ask you all to bear with me until this passes and I'm feeling more mentally alert. On the subject of mental illness (depression etc), there was mention on T.V. recently of the late Sir Winston Churchill and his battle against depression. I did a search and came up with the following data: Winston Churchill Nov 30 1874 (01:38) Woodstock, England I don't know how authentic this T.O.B. is. However the conjunction of lagnesh Mercury and Ketu (Ketu being Moon's nakshatra lord) and the aspect of F/M Saturn certainly speaks of the tendency towards depression. This same Saturn aspecting 1st/10th lord Mercury (from 5th) is indicative of leadership qualities. 5th, I believe, governs politicians, ruling powers, authority etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Monday, March 13, 2006 10:45 PM Week 5 Study Group? To All, I put up a suggestion for Study Group week 5. "Mercury on the Mind" There is a link to the subject that Neena provided in the database of the JV forum. If anyone is so inclined to tackle this subject and select a name or two from the database tables to use as a comparison study, or other, it should make for an interesting week's conversation. I want to thank all those that have responded in the last twelve hours to my request for futher prayers needed for my mother's welfare. It is very kind and generous of you and I am very appreciative. Because I will be at the hospital for the better part of the week (130 mile round trip) I will not be contributing in this week's study group. However, I will try and read the emails to keep up. I will also try to keep up with the database input when I have a chance and will answer any questions when I have a moment. Every one have a good week As Always, Uttara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Wendy, As we all know, you have had a lot to deal with lately. I hope that all is settling down a bit for you. But, as a mother and love one, I know that it is diificult to put our innate role of Nurturing aside. I was hoping that maybe soon, if not before, you may want to share with JV how David is mending. I am, as I am sure, like for many others that have kept him and you and your family close to our hearts in prayer would like to know how he is faring. I hope my request is not beyond privacy or self indulgence. We all at JV hold you and your personal difficulties and worries in the highest regarded. Might I also inquire how Marlene is doing, recently. Uttara :-) Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara and All, As I'm sure you've noticed I'm not finding it easy to get my teeth into any of the study charts at the moment. The mind, fully in accord with Venus PD, is feeling rather lethargic I'm afraid - have to get the whip out to do anything at all these days. I can only ask you all to bear with me until this passes and I'm feeling more mentally alert. On the subject of mental illness (depression etc), there was mention on T.V. recently of the late Sir Winston Churchill and his battle against depression. I did a search and came up with the following data: Winston Churchill Nov 30 1874 (01:38) Woodstock, England I don't know how authentic this T.O.B. is. However the conjunction of lagnesh Mercury and Ketu (Ketu being Moon's nakshatra lord) and the aspect of F/M Saturn certainly speaks of the tendency towards depression. This same Saturn aspecting 1st/10th lord Mercury (from 5th) is indicative of leadership qualities. 5th, I believe, governs politicians, ruling powers, authority etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Monday, March 13, 2006 10:45 PM Week 5 Study Group? To All, I put up a suggestion for Study Group week 5. "Mercury on the Mind" There is a link to the subject that Neena provided in the database of the JV forum. If anyone is so inclined to tackle this subject and select a name or two from the database tables to use as a comparison study, or other, it should make for an interesting week's conversation. I want to thank all those that have responded in the last twelve hours to my request for futher prayers needed for my mother's welfare. It is very kind and generous of you and I am very appreciative. Because I will be at the hospital for the better part of the week (130 mile round trip) I will not be contributing in this week's study group. However, I will try and read the emails to keep up. I will also try to keep up with the database input when I have a chance and will answer any questions when I have a moment. Every one have a good week As Always, Uttara Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Uttara, //As we all know, you have had a lot to deal with lately.// I've ALWAYS got a lot to deal with...one crisis is quickly followed by the next, and the next (infinitum it seems). The plus side of this is that one learns to "take it as it comes". I think it can be hard (under normal circumstances) to adopt a proper attitude of detachment. However, for me, detachment has been a natural consequence of the difficulties of life... Saturn, the hard task master, can also be our greatest teacher once we truly surrender to the inevitable fruits of our karma. Fate can be such that we have no choice BUT to surrender (completely) to the Will of God. As Jyotisha we're truly blessed to be able to see the Will of God (as written in our horoscope). How can we complain about anything when we've been so blessed! //I was hoping that maybe soon, if not before, you may want to share with JV how David is mending. I am, as I am sure, like for many others that have kept him and you and your family close to our hearts in prayer would like to know how he is faring.// David has made a good recovery. Commenced his Mars dasa a few days ago and rather hectic work-wise at the moment. Our State (WA) is experiencing a building boom at the moment and he's having to pick up the brush himself as he can't find enough workers...dasa lord Mars transiting 6th house at commencement of dasa. //Might I also inquire how Marlene is doing, recently.// I spoke to Marlene earlier today - only briefly as she's still having difficulty breathing and I didn't want to tire her out. She's been moved to a ward now (out of intensive care) and if all goes well she'll be ready to go home in a couple of weeks - she still needs a lot of care. I did ask her what (if anything) she could remember about the comatose state she was in for so long. She said she did remember opening her eyes a couple of times and wondering why everyone was crying by her bedside - she thought that was rather strange. Of course she knows now why everyone was so upset. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:31 PM Re: Week 5 Study Group? Dear Wendy, As we all know, you have had a lot to deal with lately. I hope that all is settling down a bit for you. But, as a mother and love one, I know that it is diificult to put our innate role of Nurturing aside. I was hoping that maybe soon, if not before, you may want to share with JV how David is mending. I am, as I am sure, like for many others that have kept him and you and your family close to our hearts in prayer would like to know how he is faring. I hope my request is not beyond privacy or self indulgence. We all at JV hold you and your personal difficulties and worries in the highest regarded. Might I also inquire how Marlene is doing, recently. Uttara :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Wendy, Your note is such great news to receive. Although, I comprehend the gravity of it all, the deep concern and the reality. Also its personal toll on you. It is also, a wonderful philosophical lesson to letter intellectually the importance of detachment for the destiny of one, but, ever so important, that as emotional involvement with love ones tugs at our hearts at such a deep level that it never seems to justify rational. Although we know better in the every day life of life. Whether we are of a professional medical crowd or jyotish. I am particularly delighted to hear of the recent news of David. Isn't it remarkable to hear of ones recovery from such physical trauma a few months ago. I hope his work does not get the better of him. All my best not only to you, but to each and every one of your family. Please do pass on my well wishes and thoughts. Fondly, Uttara Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Uttara, //As we all know, you have had a lot to deal with lately.// I've ALWAYS got a lot to deal with...one crisis is quickly followed by the next, and the next (infinitum it seems). The plus side of this is that one learns to "take it as it comes". I think it can be hard (under normal circumstances) to adopt a proper attitude of detachment. However, for me, detachment has been a natural consequence of the difficulties of life... Saturn, the hard task master, can also be our greatest teacher once we truly surrender to the inevitable fruits of our karma. Fate can be such that we have no choice BUT to surrender (completely) to the Will of God. As Jyotisha we're truly blessed to be able to see the Will of God (as written in our horoscope). How can we complain about anything when we've been so blessed! //I was hoping that maybe soon, if not before, you may want to share with JV how David is mending. I am, as I am sure, like for many others that have kept him and you and your family close to our hearts in prayer would like to know how he is faring.// David has made a good recovery. Commenced his Mars dasa a few days ago and rather hectic work-wise at the moment. Our State (WA) is experiencing a building boom at the moment and he's having to pick up the brush himself as he can't find enough workers...dasa lord Mars transiting 6th house at commencement of dasa. //Might I also inquire how Marlene is doing, recently.// I spoke to Marlene earlier today - only briefly as she's still having difficulty breathing and I didn't want to tire her out. She's been moved to a ward now (out of intensive care) and if all goes well she'll be ready to go home in a couple of weeks - she still needs a lot of care. I did ask her what (if anything) she could remember about the comatose state she was in for so long. She said she did remember opening her eyes a couple of times and wondering why everyone was crying by her bedside - she thought that was rather strange. Of course she knows now why everyone was so upset. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Uttara" <muttaraphalguni <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:31 PM Re: Week 5 Study Group? Dear Wendy, As we all know, you have had a lot to deal with lately. I hope that all is settling down a bit for you. But, as a mother and love one, I know that it is diificult to put our innate role of Nurturing aside. I was hoping that maybe soon, if not before, you may want to share with JV how David is mending. I am, as I am sure, like for many others that have kept him and you and your family close to our hearts in prayer would like to know how he is faring. I hope my request is not beyond privacy or self indulgence. We all at JV hold you and your personal difficulties and worries in the highest regarded. Might I also inquire how Marlene is doing, recently. Uttara :-) Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Relax. Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hi Wendy, comments below... "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Uttara and All, > > As I'm sure you've noticed I'm not finding it easy to get my teeth > into any of the study charts at the moment. The mind, fully in accord > with Venus PD, is feeling rather lethargic I'm afraid - have to get > the whip out to do anything at all these days. I can only ask you all > to bear with me until this passes and I'm feeling more mentally > alert. > > On the subject of mental illness (depression etc), there was mention > on T.V. recently of the late Sir Winston Churchill and his battle > against depression. I did a search and came up with the following > data: > > Winston Churchill > Nov 30 1874 (01:38) > Woodstock, England > > I don't know how authentic this T.O.B. is. He was born into a wealthy family, so they probably kept good records. Unfortunately they don't give the T.O.B. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill > However the conjunction of > lagnesh Mercury and Ketu (Ketu being Moon's nakshatra lord) and the > aspect of F/M Saturn certainly speaks of the tendency towards > depression. This same Saturn aspecting 1st/10th lord Mercury (from > 5th) is indicative of leadership qualities. 5th, I believe, governs > politicians, ruling powers, authority etc.. > I wonder if it's worth drawing a distinction between depression and other mental illnesses? Depression without any cause, I would think, is most likely shown by an affliction to the moon (emotions, feelings). Other mental illnesses are a failure of rationality, eg, schizophrenia can involve hearing voices, and not knowing that those voices are not real. This, I would think, is more likely shown by an affliction of Mercury (intellect, discrimination, logic). Someone with a strong moon might still suffer depression as a side effect of some other problem. For example, schizophrenia could ruin one's life to such an extent that it could also cause depression, but in that case I'd expect to find an afflicted Mercury, and not necessarily an afflicted moon. An analogy of the cause and effect thing might be in illness and confinement. If someone is ill enough to be confined in hospital, you expect to see the illness in the chart, not the hospital. Another thing about Churchill was he drank a *huge* amount of alcohol, and is known as one of England's greatest drinkers. Did he drink because he was depressed, or was he depressed because he drank? Was he really depressed, or was it just occasional hangovers? I think a clue in this is that he referred to his depressed times as Black Dog Days, which I assume means they were isolated days rather than long periods (of course, I could be wrong). So, I wouldn't be looking too hard for afflictions of Mercury or Moon in his chart. I agree that Mercury is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Saturn, but not that closely by either case. An indication in his chart of his alcohol consumption might be more useful. Anyone know what this might be? What do others think? Are there any mental health professionals here with an opinion? Barney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Barney, A search on Zodiacal Zephyr brings up two birth times: 1) source 'Church of Light' 01:30 2) source 'Old Moore's Almanac 01:39 Here is the link... http://miva.zodiacal.com/hunt.mv (just type in Churchill -Politician) Both times give Virgo lagna BTW. Churchill's penchant for whisky is well-documented - not surprising with 11th lord Moon in 12th etc.. His bouts of depression are also well-documented. Every one can suffer depression from time-to-time but for Churchill (I believe) this was an ongoing demon he battled with and, as such, can definitely be classed as a mental disorder. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "barney3728080" <barney3728080 <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:38 AM Re: Week 5 Study Group? Hi Wendy, comments below... He was born into a wealthy family, so they probably kept good records. Unfortunately they don't give the T.O.B. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill I wonder if it's worth drawing a distinction between depression and other mental illnesses? Depression without any cause, I would think, is most likely shown by an affliction to the moon (emotions, feelings). Other mental illnesses are a failure of rationality, eg, schizophrenia can involve hearing voices, and not knowing that those voices are not real. This, I would think, is more likely shown by an affliction of Mercury (intellect, discrimination, logic). Someone with a strong moon might still suffer depression as a side effect of some other problem. For example, schizophrenia could ruin one's life to such an extent that it could also cause depression, but in that case I'd expect to find an afflicted Mercury, and not necessarily an afflicted moon. An analogy of the cause and effect thing might be in illness and confinement. If someone is ill enough to be confined in hospital, you expect to see the illness in the chart, not the hospital. Another thing about Churchill was he drank a *huge* amount of alcohol, and is known as one of England's greatest drinkers. Did he drink because he was depressed, or was he depressed because he drank? Was he really depressed, or was it just occasional hangovers? I think a clue in this is that he referred to his depressed times as Black Dog Days, which I assume means they were isolated days rather than long periods (of course, I could be wrong). So, I wouldn't be looking too hard for afflictions of Mercury or Moon in his chart. I agree that Mercury is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Saturn, but not that closely by either case. An indication in his chart of his alcohol consumption might be more useful. Anyone know what this might be? What do others think? Are there any mental health professionals here with an opinion? Barney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > Dear Barney, > > A search on Zodiacal Zephyr brings up two birth times: > 1) source 'Church of Light' 01:30 > 2) source 'Old Moore's Almanac 01:39 > > Here is the link... http://miva.zodiacal.com/hunt.mv (just type in > Churchill -Politician) > > Both times give Virgo lagna BTW. > > Churchill's penchant for whisky is well-documented - not surprising > with 11th lord Moon in 12th etc.. His bouts of depression are also > well-documented. Every one can suffer depression from time-to-time > but for Churchill (I believe) this was an ongoing demon he battled > with and, as such, can definitely be classed as a mental disorder. Hi Wendy, 11th lord Moon in 12th indicates a penchant for whisky? Why so? Best Wishes Barney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear all, I finally got my laptop back so now I can participate. I have also double checked this time of birth and it is interesting to see that he died on January 24th 1965. That is when he was doing the Saturn/Sun/Mars planetary period... So I would trust that time of birth. Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: I don't know how authentic this T.O.B. is. However the conjunction of lagnesh Mercury and Ketu (Ketu being Moon's nakshatra lord) and the aspect of F/M Saturn certainly speaks of the tendency towards depression. This same Saturn aspecting 1st/10th lord Mercury (from 5th) is indicative of leadership qualities. 5th, I believe, governs politicians, ruling powers, authority etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Rui, Yes, there is much to support this chart. Second lord Venus (education) conjunct 12th lord Sun supports the fact that he was educated at boarding schools. The dasa at that time would have been Venus... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "RPM" <rupamede <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:09 AM Re: Week 5 Study Group? Dear all, I finally got my laptop back so now I can participate. I have also double checked this time of birth and it is interesting to see that he died on January 24th 1965. That is when he was doing the Saturn/Sun/Mars planetary period... So I would trust that time of birth. Best wishes, Rui. Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: I don't know how authentic this T.O.B. is. However the conjunction of lagnesh Mercury and Ketu (Ketu being Moon's nakshatra lord) and the aspect of F/M Saturn certainly speaks of the tendency towards depression. This same Saturn aspecting 1st/10th lord Mercury (from 5th) is indicative of leadership qualities. 5th, I believe, governs politicians, ruling powers, authority etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Rui, > > Yes, there is much to support this chart. Second lord Venus > (education) conjunct 12th lord Sun supports the fact that he was > educated at boarding schools. The dasa at that time would have been > Venus... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com Hi Wendy, I agree, there is much to support this chart, though for Churchill's time and social class a boarding school education was the norm, so that's what I'd expect to happen unless the chart indicated otherwise. Regards, Barney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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